[000:00:00;00] it is necessary to clearly understand that this money means that this company has always been a budget organization, so if it is a budget organization, the question is always quite good. why then do you need the fighters of this state organization to sign contacts with the ministry of defense of russia? that is a good question. it doesn't matter. if you come to the rosmiya vtiharya sechena company and tell its employees , could you register with oleksiy miller 's gazprom and they will ask you and why? look at the state company, i am a state employee of some class. here is my work book. why should i transfer to another state corporation? i don't want to. i think that

if such an idea were to arise, let's say that miller's people go to urine, it's like people who are cut to miller go to miller. miller of the time began to briquette just like a beauty and say why do we have to go there , we do everything like that, we get money from the budget, we carry out the orders of the supreme command , and the minister of defense is here, that's why we have different functions and what prigozhin wanted , he did not understand that this idea was supported by the president of the russian federation, that they simply decided to unify state relations . state security with the ministry of internal affairs everything was about the same, the officials rehearsed exactly the same way, they stabbed someone, killed them and put them in prison, there were some internal putschs. this is absolutely normal

for them. we understand that he wanted to preserve the autonomy of his department, which at the same time is not just a department, but also a business of the empire, because it is a media holding, because it is a company that feeds the army , because it is huge houses in different cities , centers that recruit mercenaries at the expense of the state, who will volunteer in russia to refuse money from the state budget, because if your people sign contracts with wagner, all the money from this state budget goes where does it go? well, of course , where. imagine that you are the head of a private military company and someone comes to you and he says that you received 86,000,000,000 rubles a year, but tomorrow, please, come and give the money to serhiy, tell yavych, what are you going to do

? to kill this is absolutely logical for a man, and for a visitor it is not just words , he knows how to kill many people with a sledgehammer, these bach so everything and everything absolutely became completely clear to me until the end because he realized on the way that he cannot count on putin's support and company and because he realized that these people who supported him cannot ensure his success because he is in any case just any civil servant he was alone in this story and then there is another very important point that i don't think that with those with the forces that were in place, it was possible to count on battles in moscow, he was already going in principle when there was nothing stopping him from going there, except for some planes that he shot down if he wanted to, after all, everywhere correctly, but

it is so easy not to take moscow, moscow is still after all, the second is the second city in europe with a population of 13 million, with a large number of security forces and armed people to protect their city . i don't think that he wanted to undermine the stability of putin's regime, because i repeat once again, this is the regime that feeds him , and one more important point, i think that after all, the operation of the beautiful should have started with the capture of the hostages of serhii sheghina valeriya seventh, many sources also speak about this, and when this story broke and then it happened that the federal security service of the russian federation found out about prigozhin's hairpin and ensured the evacuation of the minister of defense , the chief of the general staff, at this moment i am coming. you can say improvised , we do not know how this situation would have developed

if that his gerasim turned out to be in the hands of prigozhin. perhaps in this situation, putin would have had to abandon the very act under wagner's influence . the ministry of defense of the russian federation would have it ended because then it would not have been a riot, no one would have publicly informed about what gerasimo was doing in the arrested, just a handsome man reported it to the kremlin and said that he was ready to release the minister of defense and the chief of the general staff exactly when the president of russia abandoned the idea of ​​signing these contracts and to agree with the fact that these contracts were signed conditionally speaking with the administration of the president of russia, times with such departments are in full swing i don't know it doesn't matter i don't even want to know what's in i think that he could demand the resignation of the minister of defense of the chief of the general staff if he had them in his hands, but the story is precisely that he did not have them in his hands, and another important point is that he did not want to take power, and it is

very important to me it reminds me of july 6, 1918 in russian history, when the leftist ussr made a conspiracy against the bolsheviks and, in principle, it was a much more successful coup than the mutiny of the beauties, but they had no idea of ​​taking power in their hands. prigozhin will not stop further, and i think that he is unlikely to be able to change anything , but on the other hand, it is absolutely obvious that this is a lesson for other power structures that if you need to talk, you can go to moscow or a person with a weapon, a person with a gun, still gas from the master the situation in the russian federation and the continuation of russia's war against ukraine only strengthen these possibilities and that the russians are not against this. and what are the results of this rebellion for putin himself , or western leaders ?

urged not to attack russia at the moment of this weakening and destabilization, that is, how they perceived putin. i think that they were afraid that putin's regime would fall. russia is simply turning into a chaotic entity in which it is not known who will control nuclear weapons. by the way, dmitry medvedev spoke about this. a group of criminals didn't happen like that, they didn't create it themselves this year can come to power in russia and seize the nuclear arsenal but i think that they exaggerated the threats to putin, these are two or two real consequences, the first for the first consequence is loss of image is quite serious loss of image because we saw a person who is unsure of himself and a self-conscious person who was not even known as an expert in the first hours after it began to develop to formulate a position and then this position looked contradictory because on the one hand putin called him a traitor although not without saying his last name but nevertheless, and then it turned out that he is not a traitor at all and that he can be

in belarus and that he promised him safety later and that it turns out that putin himself can close criminal cases and this idiot semenyan began to say, come to think of it, why do we need a law? when we have putin , well, as much as possible. well, on the one hand, on the other hand, this is definitely a strengthening of the vertical, because if you have something vertical that does not obey you you can destroy it, then your powers increase , of course, you can look like a lame duck to the world around you, but to your associates, you are a person who is able to solve any situation and is able to further manage by force methods, how capable is that a good question because maybe the next week was for her, we will see what the real positions of the russian authorities are. after this story, because many people say that in principle it is not over and that all of this has somehow become, uh, i said prerequisites for the instability of the regime

, but all this will be it is only clear with time why because if the regime becomes more totalitarian more aggressive it will tighten the nuts more and arrest more and now it is not those who are against the war but those who are in favor of it understand that putin's power has always been in the ability to maintain balance, you saw how the russians greeted prigozhina, they greeted him essentially as the best putin, as a person who will definitely destroy this country, because this putin is annoying because he cannot destroy some unfortunate ukraine in 16 months, and most russians are waiting for a leader who is victorious will end this war because from the point of view of their national psychology, russia must win the war even if the most expensive price is paid for it, but the life of the enemy is better and the fact that putin has been fighting for 16 months and ukraine still

exists on the political map of the world is a deep a national insult for every person who considers himself a patriot in the brackets of the russian federation, so russians by and large need a new clause but such a putin will leave no stone unturned from ukraine and who will turn ukraine into a real russia and they saw such a person as a threat despite the fact that prigozhin himself said that there was no reason for war so he said it seemed that after that they should all turn away from him that he is a traitor but no but no they still think that a person who can lead a gang of criminals is the best option for a russian, you know, just an ideal russian , why after all, when you get into any taxi in russia , what kind of radio is playing ?

of his life in the russian federation, he studied the entire repertoire this time with all all criminal songs with lyuba uspenskaya mixed with shufutinsky with arkady severnym with everything completely gangster jargon with criminal anecdotes 90% of russian taxi drivers listen to this and their passengers, and i always remember that i once flew to copenhagen in the 90s and all the taxis and the driver mean, er, went and turned on the radio. there was a beautiful classical music radio . because denmark differs from russia in its equal life and the fact that a taxi driver in copenhagen can listen to classical music, and when you get into the airport , the taxi driver will make a noise about it and turn you on a new one. simply beautiful

this point of view looks almost ideal, it relies on those who have been through prison, and here is the choice , you understand, the choice of russia is national. more that you run around russia with a sledgehammer, well, blacksmiths are depicted as the most cruel, the most prepared for war, we always say that these are the most professional units, we ourselves create such an image with the russian army, these bastards took bakhmut at such an age, too prytaryanska glandiya well, here the truth is that we didn’t completely fail either. of course, it’s only for our hands, and by the way, there was information that

the ukrainian army destroyed a lot more than 20,000 wagnerites, and considering how many there are in general, but a large number of them in general. the truth is that they all the time they can that they can have the opportunity to use their personal stingray as cannon fodder because they take people from the colony because these people, let's say so, as a rule, are from families from the bottom of social responsibility, that is, the relatives of these people are not they are very interested in their future, their death, they don't want to know anything about it. if you have an officer of the russian army who dies , we see his funeral, an unfortunate widow standing with her children and swinging on a bucket . on her between vlad pochemu we will find him you sent my boy there and this we hear something about the chechen war and if you kill a wagnerian we will switch to radio chanson again and mother will cry and my beloved will not

remember well maybe it won’t, you don’t know they may not give it there, and by the way, on the problem, if it is there, it is necessary to understand what are the legal grounds in general for the issuance of any cars that they are, the main condition is that they will be pardoned by the president of the russian federation, after that they give the cars, i don't i know, i’m asking, i didn’t go through this story to take a photo and take it back , by the way, the fact that the wagnerites are now deploying field camps in belarus worries lithuania and latvia, they are asking to strengthen the border, yes, control and security measures from nato, but what do you think such a necessity, can the wagnerites also go to nato countries? i think that they cannot go to the countries above, as it is repeated anyway, it is a state company, it is not a private bench, and they will act in any case

, even if they are on the territory belarusians within the framework of the tasks that the russian team will set before them if it decides to take them there again and again, we don't know how many in england they will be there at all because putin is absolutely not interested in them being there. he wants them to serve in the russian e-e armed forces and it must be understood that a large number of wafers are the officers of the russian armed forces of the main intelligence directorate of the general staff of the armed forces of the russian federation, the operational command of the armed forces of the russian federation, this is not some random people, this is what we call wagner's officer corps, it is actually an officer's the composition of the armed forces of the russian federation and the russian special services twice did not understand to what extent in these camps they will be allowed to recruit new people who will be able to strengthen this group and thus it is unclear to what extent are they able to increase their number three oleksandr lukashenko said that they are in belarus then four

it is absolutely incomprehensible why regular russian troops cannot go to the territory of lithuania or latvia and the wagners can i think that this is exactly the same story but if it really will the buildup of wagnerian forces on the territory of belarus, we will see it, it may be a prelude to some attempts to break into the northern regions of ukraine, kyiv , just as we have already said, try to blow up the rivne nuclear power plant, all this can but in order for all of this to begin to seem like a reality, it is necessary for the wagner camps in belarus to become a reality, because so far we do not even hear confirmation from independent sources that such camps are still being built, and dependent sources, i mean oleksandr lukashenko , deny the fact of such construction if that is all such conditional information is very conditional and will still need to be checked . well, it’s actually interesting how the scenario will develop, what they will do there in belarus. i think the scenario will develop unpredictably, so

because here are all the questions. yes, we are absolutely we understand like no one, vitaly, today you already mentioned trump’s statement when he said that maybe ukraine will have to give up part of its territory for the sake of peace . and yet, for us, it’s a dangerous statement. everything is not so easy, not as the president says, this is a dangerous statement and there is no need to even express doubts about it, but i do not consider it dangerous from the point of view of logic, because i continue to believe that russia does not need any part of ukrainian territory russia does not need ukrainian territory, russia needs ukraine itself, if you and i believed that ukraine could buy back part of the territory from russia , this would be said by more than one trump, believe me, it would be

part of the western option to give part of the territory to ukraine in exchange for security guarantees, this is by the way about what the president said today, but western politicians do not talk about it because they have already realized that they will not redeem themselves from russia with this, that russia needs all of ukraine. i think that he does not want to understand this. i think that trump sincerely believes that he can come to an agreement with putin, and by the way, i want to remind you that this is not the first time trump's belief is that he is able to negotiate with authoritarian leaders , remember how much effort trump put into the agreement with a skirmish, it ended , what conclusions did utram draw from this he did not, but he negotiated with him. he held meetings with him. trump's courtiers, as we now know from their memoirs, dissuaded him from this . they said, listen, you are the president of the united states, who is he, but trump believed that if he met with him, he would be

able to dissuade him from taking any actions that do not contribute to the national interests of the united states, that he stopped the nuclear program of north korea . quickly so i think that trump should not say this, but he will never listen to the voices of common sense. well, let's see how it will look like in the case of trump's victory. encourage us to sit down at the negotiating table again, we will not be pushed to sit down at the negotiating table because the whole idea of ​​the west will sit down with us and our idea always rests on the same moment that what can we force ukraine to sit down for this victory and who am i all the time i ask. and why are you sure that russia will want? well, where is the guarantee? well, that is, we know

the ukrainian conditions for which, that is, the russian language for ukraine, recognition of territorial realities, demilitarization, de-nazification , neutral status, not joining the european union now. well, these are the conditions that consist of destruction of sovereignty, and you know that if western politicians say well, let's decide after all that you will not fight for the territories and then you will join nato or receive a security guarantee from us. then russia, i'm sorry , she will never agree to this, as far as russia is concerned , and there is a defeat if they say it. take donetsk luhansk oblast for yourself, but ukraine is a member of nato and you never mention this ukraine again, and there is a defeat because they did not start it for the sake of donetsk oblast. well, that's all there is to do with donetsk oblast. she is all

it is completely bombarded by russia and the program, not because it is allowed. the question is that it is needed because it is an important bridgehead, the russian armed forces are there, they are mobilizing people, it makes sense to wash away the war from ukraine. here to talk and i always ask if we have a plan, but trump and european politicians and the current administration of the united states and russia will not negotiate with us under any conditions, we are going beyond the borders russia does not lead, we do not go to the borders of the russians do not lead we do not want negotiations, the russians lead we want negotiations, the russians lead what do we do if we agree that russia will not be in the negotiation process ? i think that the answer to this question is the answer to how the situation in the war will develop. it is to this question that the answer must be given. what will we all do when it becomes clear that russia is not a treaty giver and i don't even

want the victory process? that's one more topic interesting for the discussion, vitaly, you and i announced more than once that the pope's envoy was to visit moscow, and he met not with president putin, but with the so-called children's ombudsman in russia, maria lviv belova. although she is a war criminal against yevhazi, they opened a criminal case and a warrant was issued for her arrest, he shook her hand , smiled, it came out cynically enough, as for me , this meeting made sense only if he smiled at the camera, but in fact conditionally held her by the throat and told her to return the ukrainian children and that the president of ukraine wants the pope to facilitate the return of ukrainian prisoners of war and ukrainian children, the meaning of the vatican is precisely that the vatican

met with those russian officials whom others cannot meet with by the way, we are talking about hungary, and the main driving force that contributed to the liberation of these prisoners of war was the maltese ord and that's all autk another matter. like everything else there, korban is trying to use it is another story, but the vatican has contacts with the rpc , it can act along these lines if we don't want to see footage like the cardinal there is always a camera to meet with uh, someone we shouldn't ask them for a percentage they won't do it our wish. well, this is diplomacy. hug me, but of course diplomacy is different . you can't be in such a situation, and there's another one. if you don't want to say hello and meet , you don't

have to. there are very few people left who are able to go to moscow from the west. and imagine the vatican. these are the people, even the leadership of switzerland, the truth is that it has always been such a neutral country , you can’t afford to go to moscow in switzerland, then who can? maybe a representative of the pope and that with great difficulties, but you hear that after this visit the pope already spoke about the fact that the reality of a long war awaits us, that is, he realized after the visit of his representatives to moscow and kyiv that the reality is much worse than he could imagine it, it is also completely logical if the efforts of the holy see present the fact that the children will return to their parents if they succeed in reaching such agreements with moscow , then it is absolutely worth all these handshakes and meetings, but this maria of lviv- pi didn't write , she said that christian love and mercy

will help in dialogue and mutual understanding . well, she's just absolutely a creature, not absolutely. it doesn't matter what she says, what matters is what she can do in response to some proposal with vk and what are they in - they you these can influence them or not i think they have something to say to them if they didn't have something to say to them what kind of fan is he they wouldn't go but not only came to talk about god but we never we will not know until the end. why do you care about the vatican? because the vatican is what it operates on. it never informs about this. the power of the vatican during the last thousand years is not a new structure, but you believe that there can be a result. i believe that if there was no hope for a result he wouldn't go there with her, he wouldn't seen well, you just already said that according to the results he did not talk very enthusiastically about the end of the war, that is another thing, but that during the war it is possible to make

certain humanitarian decisions to release people and return children to their parents, especially if the war becomes a long-term process, everything is possible everything is possible, we have literally two minutes left, then we will briefly comment on orban's last statement, which you mentioned just now, and mr. vitaly, putin is more truthful. putin is not a war criminal for orban, for us, of course and ukraine is no longer a sovereign state, because the european union will give the city the opportunity to be so democratic, the hungarians will vote for it and we will have to make a small number of concessions during the process of our european integration. well, they have spheres of influence on hungary , of course, that's why hungary cannot block many things and cannot change many things . and this is an important point, but as we can see , when turkey does not vote for

sweden's membership in nato, hungary does not vote either. the vote is postponed, it seems already on the axis, so the hungarian parliament went on vacation. well, in this regard, there is no need to reduce orbán's opportunities, but we must hope that sooner or later the creators will give up on this government, because orbán has done a lot to make hungary according to the classical european became a classic eurasian state that maneuvers between the european union of china and russia as if it is not a member of e-e nato and the european union was not interested in is it possible to exclude a country from the european world you can't if it doesn't correspond to the values, well, you know that if you already accepted it, you have to live with it and urinate, you can sue , you can provide money, you have to demand changes in the legislation and that's all that the european union is doing, but there will be no exclusion of hungary and the loudest, as you understand, is small britain, it will not leave the european union. but i think that politics is something that allows

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