[000:00:20;00] good health, ladies and gentlemen. my name is mykola veresen. we will be with you for two hours on the 16th. as i understand it, on the 18th, we will work together . well, it's not like you and i will be alone. we will invite different people to the company. reserve major of the armed security services of ukraine deputy head of the security service 14th to 15th years good health mr. viktor thank you for finding time for us on sunday and look alo alo alo alo alo now it will be a callback

callback now the machine won't call him back and we will start talking, but until then i will reveal the secrets, i want to talk to mr. general about what has changed in a year, in fact , a year ago such rather serious hostilities began and a serious offensive by the russian federation , which eventually led to the fact that they captured some areas of the front now these are in this area ukraine is winning back, but the main question is how the situation on the fronts has changed in general in a year, what did the ukrainians succeed, what did the russians succeed, how did the army change, how did the attitude to the war change, how did it change the number of artillery in airplanes tanks and so on and so on and so on what did we learn what did the russians learn and so on this is an important and important moment to me it seems a military

moment now the war is the first second third fourth fifth and up to 25 news but we will still talk more and i'll talk about diplomacy and we'll talk about the zaporizhia detention center more briefly . for us it's time on sunday so good health so see the first general question so when you look at the situation on the fronts, what has changed over the year, so last july it was a very acute moment when the russians began to press quite so seriously and they even started and even finished later the seizure of some territories of ukraine, what does the russian army and the ukrainian army now imagine, what

is the ratio of artillery there, i don't know the aviation of tanks, what has changed where where are we now, have we strengthened a little and has russia weakened a little, here's your opinion to the general picture of the war, this is correct. the question is if everything is equal, because in reality, ukraine has changed dramatically during this period, and it has changed because the main weapons that are now operating on the front lines are western weapons, first and second we have an extraordinary emergency situation in the sense that we drove away a significant number of military personnel due to training in the west, that is, we have a really completely different

motivation of soldiers multiplied by a fairly high -quality training and, in return, duties on at the present time, we see the lack of motivation among the russians, except for money, that is, they do not have the ideological training to participate in this war of the main mass, that is, the only thing they have left in them is, uh, huge salaries that they simply cannot get in a peaceful life, uh, vot and all this is motivation, and according to this , they have no problems with ammunition , there is a problem with high-quality military equipment, but it is also impossible to say that it has decreased, and we can actually see that the main mass of the russian army is in

defense is also a change from last year and they don't have global offensive actions , they are just now mainly trying to protect what they have already captured , this is a radical change if a year ago it still assumed that they were somewhere on some world yes something they will protect, maybe capture , they will still carry out what they envisioned . at this stage, they know for sure that they will capture more territory, the main thing is not to lose what they have, this is probably the main thing, mr. general, look, but they actually stand to say that the front is somehow quite actively moving well, what i see, i am not an expert, i immediately emphasize with three red lines this means that they have learned to work in defense, are they defending themselves qualitatively , or did they just mine everything, that is, in short,

why is it so difficult to overcome, please explain this very it’s just that either we move forward normally, gradually destroying each line, or we start to get on horses , drive carts and move forward, okay, they’ll rumble there, but nothing will be left, so see everything is very simple. we look at the destroyed enemies. we see that the number of destroyed enemies sometimes approaches a thousand during the day. this means that ours are destroying qualitatively and they are carrying out thor, which completely turns the whole science upside down. everyone knows that when you attack three times, you have to be three times more losses, but here

it turns out the opposite, that is, they have more losses . and why? because the tactics, the tactics are very simple , now the russians do not use meat assaults, they hold the first line, for example , we attack, we occupy this line, they immediately they leave they leave immediately they leave and start pounding on our position which they have just lost the artillery, all you can do there with rockets after that armored vehicles and separate assault groups enter the battle trying to repulse the line of defense that ours captured, that is, in fact capturing the first line of defense is 10% of continuing the offensive, and that is why ours have completely changed their tactics, that is, ours do not dig into the ground, but on the contrary, they drag those

who are trying to attack and destroy them on the approaches and that is why the destroyed reserves that they throw at counterattacks are much more than the losses of our attack if we follow this tactic we will continue to push the enemy to the second or third line, they may simply lose all the reserves that they have and then we will see how it will end it must be taken into account that we did not actually use all our reserves in battle, and this is a good idea because, on the contrary, the enemy is trying to provoke us into the introduction of our roughly speaking strategic reserves and reserves if we if we keep up this pace, then we will roughly repeat what happened in the direction of kherson one year ago. okay, i understood the situation

around the antoniv bridge, what is happening there. well, it is clear that the ukrainians have set up a bridgehead there, they are holding it, the russians want to knock it out as much as possible. it has prospects. because i as i understand everything, everything that russia is doing there right now near the antonov bridge is an attempt to actually destroy this bridgehead, but it has been holding for about a week or will it last. do you think there are enough forces to supply there weapons, because i am a stockpile of ammunition, to take out the wounded from there, and so on and so on, and so on, as far as i understand it, this is one of the key points on the map, as it were, the unfolding of the war. i think that this is such a misconception in that this is the main direction. i think that this

the withdrawal of the actual russian reserves to an unsuitable object because it was very much predicted that ours would try to cross over to the other side and gain a foothold on the shore m of the dnipro behind the antoniv bridge, but it is impossible to say what it will be i doubt the main blow. most likely, it is simply the pulling of russian reserves closer to the bank of the dnieper so that they can be eliminated from the right bank in larger numbers, because if er-e foresee some kind of offensive, that is, it is much better to go through other objects i don't know there because of the oleshki there or somewhere else, but the fact that ours are now charging themselves with significant reserves of the enemy is 100%. yes, how can the course

of events on the fronts be affected by the absence or perceived absence, we don’t know at least i don’t know wagner, well, wagner showed himself to be effective enough, that's another question, where did the effect come from because of the meaty meaty assaults ? is it somehow different, but it doesn't bother me much because it's the russians, but what a combat-ready unit it is . well, it's as if it's not there now so what does this mean for the ukrainians? it means the weakening of at least those areas of the front where wagner was located. does this not affect the course of events in any way? in may, from the position of the vlager, ours began to slowly put pressure on the regular

troops, and wagner, as a highly motivated, highly motivated unit, really took on a lot of responsibility and really influenced some of the things that were connected with the offensive, so i think that their disappearance from the battlefield is a big plus, and secondly, the motivation of other units, including private or volunteer units, has significantly decreased because they saw that in the event of any misunderstanding, they will simply be destroyed and on that's all that's why the psychological situation in the troops will end, and the fact that bakhmut is simply beginning to turn into such a person who will be destroyed anyway, this all in the complex shows that the departure of wagner's departure in a certain way

still affected the front. perhaps in in one separate area, that's exactly how it is, mr. viktor, look at the moral and psychological state , that's why we talk about it quite often, but on the battlefield i somehow don't notice that he's short, tall, etc. on in places there, they brought these portables, in addition, and in short, if this happened in any civilized country, there would already be an uprising, and in russia there is no uprising . is that what you are saying, this money there, these 200,000 m rubles is enough. well, it is, well, 200,000 smer yes and as we all know in graves there are no pockets, he will not take it with him and will not be there on

the mountain or at the bottom, rather, at the bottom , the question arises, well, whether or not, whether it can last so long, that is, this morally and psychologically depressed state but they still stand they don't go anywhere, they don't run away from the fronts, they fight and kill our people, that is, what kind of dependence is there, what has to happen for this moral and psychological state to be so destroyed that they start, well, maybe not to run away, but at least surrender or at least it means much more sluggishly to fight and so on and the like because we are talking about it the same year and if nothing more what does it mean they are much less motivated but despite the lack of motivation they fight yes i understand hello hello yes that is,

what to do with the morally psychological state to do and what can shake him so that something changes on the battlefield, well, this is history and what can dismantle a stay in our territory is one thing and the second is significant changes in the russian empire itself, that is, if prigozhin really there led to some unusual shifts in power there, i don't know, some upheavals, the seizure of certain government buildings, i don't know , some explosions of social anger, i don't know. held such a special

an information operation to bring the situation in russia to personnel fighting in certain areas of our front, and some units of the russian army even tried to leave the front line and return to russia in order to take part in the analysis there or to defend the state, i don’t know, but it quite stirred up a part of the military servicemen. that is, it was one of those motivators to participate in the territory of ukraine, because all they have left is what they do here, they don’t understand, but they love money. the only factor is that while the money is sweating, they will be here. and what do you think, general ? what will you do, or will there be any serious consequences from this, these events related to mr. prigozhyn? is it all over and we

can forget about it and wait for some new manifestations of manifestations ever but maybe we still don't know what might happen next what are your views on the prospects of this rebellion in fact it is one of those small factors that will affect the further course of history e of the russian state i am so i am so i hope because eh and internal and external observers saw the lack of will and the ability to lead in the direction in which the leader of this state emphasizes, and this crack is a small one in the foundations of this state entity. it can expand because wagner has fulfilled his role and he has yielded to someone else in the factor and the factor in this politics in this whole history, it is clearly wagner, you can

move wagner and you can write off not the people themselves, but the name self-organization itself. the situation in russia is definitely ok. thank you, viktor yagun, major general of the reserve of the security service, the head of the security service, he was with us for 14-15 years. thank you, mr. viktor, for finding time for us through advertising. the advertising will last three minutes . we will talk about vilnius and so on and so on, but first the advertisement is undoubtedly discounts on kopispasm and kombispasm gastrocomfort 10% in pharmacies traveller's bank and savings bank you want to wake up, we rested and are full of energy, but

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, questions are always here, at least the last place exactly vilnius, nato's prospects. how would you rate how the great lenin taught us? the program is the maximum and the program is the minimum, which program is the maximum, but the realistic maximum is obvious that there will be no invitation to nato and no documents will be signed that say that ukraine is a member of nato, but what can be the maximum and what we could be satisfied with as a minimum, mr. volodymyr , please have your word, well, look here, two aspects, how do you think, my opinion is very important, the first , surely, we do not need to create inflated expectations in our history, there were many such situations when we really expected something, so to speak, and then, unfortunately, it didn't happen like that, firstly, secondly, we are to some extent hostages of this process and we actually have no choice, we have no choice to choose between

one or another situation, one or another scenario that is, we actually have to bring up what will be announced at the nato summit and hope that the amount of information, or rather the amount of guarantees that we receive on this, will be optimal and, unfortunately, we are not on the other we will be able to calculate someone more optimistically the scenario and what we can actually be offered is a step in comparison with the bucharest sanctum. as you remember in bucharest, it was still announced that you will not become a member of obnato, such a political consultation exists and no one has canceled it, that is, today

, rather, there is july 10 are you specifically nato, or will it be determined by the situation with the war, that is, after the end of the war, or will it be specified some well, at least the approximate terms of such acquisition of membership so, a step forward in relation to bucharest to the club is actually a positive result for us, many people money us should be invited to join nato, and i think that the president very rightly stated that the other day that our own invitation is when and under what conditions

ukraine will become a member of nato, because you yourself can formally start the negotiations . if the internal non-military circumstances were correct, i understand that if the fight against corruption and the rule of law and judicial reform and sbu reform and so on somehow moved forward, then this would actually make it impossible for the nato countries to refuse regarding the accession of ukraine, because the military plan is all right. it is obvious that they say that we have no complaints here. and where are these complaints that what ukrainians' homework should be done? well, look at this stage. i think the questions are about such things as the fight against

corruption and others let's say humanitarian or non-military aspects, they have already gone by the wayside, and not because the west began to lose attention to them, but because in parallel with the process of joining nato, we are going to join the european union , and literally already this year we expect about this the beginning of negotiations on joining the european union, where all these issues will be very carefully considered and taken into account, whether such a court was chosen in our country or whether it was chosen on the basis of tomography all the same, there is no talk of political will. well, somewhere purely military , let’s say the aspects of ukraine’s readiness to join nato. today, ukraine is already demonstrating

its readiness to really fight with what was considered the largest state in the military sense europe therefore, but political will is lacking in some member states, and here it is not, not really. one of the most active skeptics regarding giving ukraine a specific signal regarding accession is the united states, as we may not be sorry to realize this, but today it is they. uh, yes, uh, the state that everyone is looking at, and again, if you compare it with the arrest, then the united states was the locomotive and they were the most active and influential in order

to provide us with the uh decision about the granting of a state pension was also in the opposition. do you remember that time? france and germany , in fact, these countries are the most important . today, the situation here has its own explanation from the procedure of the internal processes. well , do you remember that there were dances in the cookhouse under the government? the younger, so to speak, fought for education, but today, so do the democrats that we remember, and in the times of, let's say, obama, even the client , they spoke very carefully about how this ghost always hangs, this is hamlet, the russian

federation. okay. so, if we look at the united states to the state department, then there is a victory for ukraine or a mess in russia, and they are very afraid, it is for them that it is more important to prevent a mess in russia. which can lead to a mess in russia, and then the americans say well, we will have to deal with that mess later, and we don't want to. correctly, i understand the general logic of the american establishment today. well, in principle, the logic the thinking of the americans is exactly in the direction you are talking about, although at the same time we are still recording that they were very positive now . perhaps they have not decreased in frequency a little, these