[000:00:00;00] wear and receive benefits about what the exchange rates of salaries and pensions will be and how the prices of products will change information about everything that affects our wallet and informed means armed watch the economic news project with andrii yanitsky on weekdays at 8:10 i welcome you on the espresso channel today, in our military program , we will talk about how nato countries study the combat experience of our soldiers on the battlefield, and they consider this experience unique. and we will also find out how ukraine fights enemy aircraft and enemy drones. opportunities from western and ukrainian companies. therefore, new technologies of war are at the center of our discussion with professional experts. my name is serhiy

zhorets. i am the director of the information consulting company defekt express, which, together with the espresso channels, aims to cover the most relevant events in the life of our army and the defense-industrial complex, and further before how to introduce my first interlocutor i will cite several quotes that appeared the other day in respected specialized foreign magazines, the first quote is ukrainian the infozakhist company revealed the secrets of russian communication technologies to nato specialists who took part in the annual meeting of the old crows association and also a quote at the event held in the german city of bonn . an intriguing presentation was made public. of the plan between ukraine and its nato partners to study russian

equipment and weapons, and now we are joined by yaroslav kalinin, the director of the company research and production center of information protection, mr. yaroslav. welcome to the live broadcast of the espresso channel. congratulations. so please explain to me and our viewers exactly what happened in bonn, what the old crows association is, and what exactly caused such enthusiastic responses from the representatives of nato countries in view of the report that you made in front of the representatives of the countries of the alliance and the united states and other countries, and the annual exhibition for the demonstration of developments in the field of the electromagnetic domain , i.e. means of radio-electronic intelligence of radio-electronic warfare, and our company already took place takes part in this event for the second time, the first time it was liverpool, a year before

the large-scale invasion of 2022, we missed this event, we understood the reasons, and this year we visited this exhibition , the allcrolls association is such a community created with officers of former and active nato countries who are engaged in the field of electronic warfare. that is, in our classification, it is also radio electronic intelligence and radio electronic warfare. this association has existed for many years and it holds such an event where all manufacturers of nato countries and members of the alliance and countries that are considered partners of the alliance can present their achievements in the field of electronic radio-technical intelligence and radio-electronic warfare. the event is unique because it combines

the so-called state of technology at the time of its implementation and it is very, very narrow profile e- from the point of view of the field of defense industries but you have the same and interesting reason, as a company , we are taking part for the second time and this year we had some success, we were invited to give a presentation which, as already mentioned, had quite a big resonance -is primarily in the western companies, that is, there was a very high interest. and if we do this in some way to outline the main points of your report, here i am. based on the publications based on the results of your speech , i found something. based on your report , it was concluded that the military radio networks of russia can be suppressed, they

can become a source of receiving intelligence data, they can be the basis for determining the locations of russian units and they can be used to spread disinformation, i.e. in fact, as i understand it, these are the directions of countermeasures against russian communication systems. if these conclusions are correct, then you can detail them a little and explain to our viewers what we can do, or really we can do it , and why other nato partners can't do it there. based on it's more based on your experience than on mine, and i'll divide it into parts. first, i can't either confirm or refute the conclusions provided by western experts, eh, my comments on this. well, they have some information . apparently, eh, i can't comment on it. the second, eh -is

this experience is unique because it is the first time in a long period of the history of mankind that there is a large-scale war of the first armies of the world. that is, we are saying that there is modern weapons of the fourth and fifth generations that are used on both sides. modern technological conflict, the experience of using these weapons in this conflict, e-e, in the part of radio-electronic intelligence , radio-electronic warfare is unique because of other conflicts where there was a full-scale confrontation of these systems for a very long time with during the arab-israeli conflicts, apparently, there were no such conflicts, and precisely because the part of radio-electronic intelligence of radio-electronic warfare is responsible for the construction of tactical and operational-tactical

links and the suppression of the development of the suppression of these links . on the battlefield they don't show their effectiveness eh, that's how it actually happens in ukraine too conflict and the use of means, this is a unique experience and a unique chance for our country, after all, look again, there is such a phrase, if the unthinkable happens and the troops of the alliance will still be forced to fight directly with the russian ground forces, then knowing how the russian communication works will be extremely information about russian military communications is also useful, this is exactly the information that nato representatives actually received based on

the experience of your company. can you generally outline the level of knowledge about the enemy and do nato countries really know so little about russia now compared to the experience that your company has . and we are not the only company . i want to say that the experience of the countries to repeat that the experience of the nato countries in the analysis of means of communication in the ultra-short-wave range at the beginning of the large-scale aggression was quite insufficient and now thanks to the work

of our divorce e-e society we we have some minimal necessary progress that allows us to work effectively, well, to a certain extent, and this is not the end of the road. we cannot claim that we know everything. and for various reasons, we cannot share our experience at all. at the entrance to the conference, he said that for many companies in the private sector , information was not available because the process of interaction between the public and private sectors is organized in this way, that is, there are producers of something and they do not have enough information against which they have to fight and this leads to low efficiency at the same time our companies and have eh despite the fact that they

have a very high technological level very high technological capabilities at the same time our companies eh the ukrainian defense sector has access to this knowledge which gives them advantage in the market, mr. word. and when we talk about the samples of equipment that were at the exhibition and were still analyzed by the nato countries, as i understand it, with regard to russian equipment, we are talking about the most modern, probably digital radio stations, there are probably means of automated control of the enemy, there are probably means of fish, what exactly was analyzed in order to develop effective methods of countermeasures, well , in order to, well.

communication of the enemy, that is why i shared that information, which is, in fact, a potpourri, such an aggregation from open sources somewhere. it slipped something that i know for sure that is known or was lying somewhere but simply got lost in translation. this information was systematized and provided that is, in fact, i gave access to the information that any military man in ukraine has access to, not even a military man . it is usually free. unfortunately, in ukraine , the very fact of transferring and systematizing this knowledge and accents it is important and it will allow the nato countries to create better models and better address the russian threat and the threat from other countries that use the technological bases of the russian federation, but i think that some of the knowledge was probably collected not only from open sources at home

using more difficult technological solutions, your systems that are currently working on the battlefield and i think that this is just such a main source of obtaining real information, then i would like to hear from you in more detail what the company currently offers to the armed forces. what are the most common models and how do they affect the effectiveness of the actions of our units on the battlefield, how do they increase the effectiveness of the application of our various, guided by the law of ukraine on state secrets and the report of state secret information, everything is possible comment on the following our company produces a-a portable direction-finding complexes that are transferred to the troops and which are a-e a key e-e tool in the tactical counter-tactical e-e lanka and e-e some other means that were also transferred to the troops and which a-

and they are used in the extraction of e-e, including it is used in the extraction of intelligence information . i cannot comment on the effectiveness of these means , e-e. a conference in bonn, a meeting with an association of old crows is the basis for expanding such an industrial-technological operation as an interaction between western companies and your company. is each country in this sensitive segment in its own way? and yes, in fact , one of the issues that, er, greatly distinguishes , let's say, this exhibition - this is a real interest in cooperation from many e-e top companies and the transition to this cooperation because, well, that is, real steps to

the transition, the war showed the inefficiency of certain approaches and the war showed the manufacturers to western manufacturers and what things, even though it is low, for example, the manufacturability compared to the possible manufacturability of the u.s. samples, and what things need to be done and emphasized because accents are important and meanings are important, and we are moving on to certain of cooperation activities with foreign companies , i would really like to have such a bright example of the effectiveness of your tools. saying to see the enemy to a considerable depth. it is due to the detection of the work of russian radio stations that we can know where the command posts are located, where the supporting

points are located, that is, in fact, due to your samples, we can see everything like in the palm of the hand , how the enemy's defense is built. and f- this gives such new information for commanders or to make appropriate decisions, are these approaches now preserved, or have they become more powerful, or are they now more scalable, a little detail about these decisions a large-scale war and an active maneuver showed both the advantages that we laid in the design of our solutions and yes , unfortunately, we find, analyze and try to address the shortcomings, and in general, everything that i said before the beginning , it remains and the only question that i would like to have already in the comments to another publication i raised this issue of personnel training because the presence of a tool does not guarantee knowledge and experience, and knowledge and experience

in use sometimes compensates for certain characteristics of a certain tool, so we are now very seriously engaged in the issue personnel training and the transfer of knowledge and experience, you are the troops as much as possible through as many channels as possible, there is our interaction with the boreviter school , for example, there are some other activities that are less public, we devote to this, this is one of the disadvantages that we found that the lack of training with mass well, it does not give the qualification that one would like. and is it appropriate, let's say, requests from the military there, er, fish management with such a different structure to a larger number of such samples, and what does she say, is such a dialogue established effective between the military itself and your company, and so i can say that

during this year of a full-scale invasion, this system of placing orders, and let's say formalization of needs, has come to some kind of stable order, and now for the better , i note that how the state is starting to order, place and be interested in technology, and let's say a lot of right changes. in my opinion, right changes that are actually implemented and implemented, we are just gradually learning. that is, we can say that the order for your products is increasing and the professional level of the military is gradually rising to the level to master all the strengths of your samples. yes , it can be said, mr. yaroslav. thank you very much for your explanations in this difficult matter. i thought that the parts were wrong and not everything became clear to the audience, but in

any case, we understand that there are ukrainian companies that do cool things nato countries are surprised by this i want to cooperate with you and these solutions of yours really strengthen the potential of our armed forces and frighten the enemy so thank you very much for your work for your work collective, and i will remind our viewers that yaroslav kalinin was the director of the company infokhist production center in the fairy class. this is a private company that adds strength to our military in the digital segment, and then after the information break we will talk about the consequences for russia of the destruction of a number of airplanes and helicopters, in particular and 22 of these mi-8 tpr and other models that affect the effectiveness of the russian military administration, we will talk about this with our aviation expert but after the informational

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sports . two hours in the company of favorite presenters. about war and weapons and now we are in touch with anatoliy hrabchynskyi, an expert on aviation p. anatolyu greetings, the press , you can hear me. yaroslav kalinin, and he talked about how important it is to fight with the means and systems of the enemy, which determines the management on the battlefield, we are different. and so , against the background of wagner's march to moscow, we saw that several unique examples of russian and military equipment and british intelligence were destroyed even said that these losses demoralized the military and space forces of the russian federation, in particular stating the downing of this il-22m plane, what consequences

are we talking about, what is the uniqueness of it how many such planes were the enemy explain to our to the audience, what exactly was happening? well, first of all, this is a kind of command plane, a command post from which troops are controlled, it is equipped with a special system of guaranteed stability , in the soviet union, such planes were produced on the basis of the tu-134 tu-154, and what about some the unique uniqueness of this aircraft, in my opinion, is also laid down in the serial number of this particular aircraft, because this particular aircraft was purposefully built to serve the leadership in afghanistan and directly transported the president of afghanistan to in 1979, it was later returned to the ussr and in 1983 it was converted from the il-18d

, and then it was modified to the il-22. regarding the number, according to the estimates of american intelligence , in fact, the number of aircraft of this type they call about 12 at the same time flight global is a world-famous expression that calculates the planes of different countries and declares that there are about 25 such planes. but i think that the british intelligence is exaggerating and the active planes of this type are no more than 7-8 pieces , which may have consequences for the russian army. this the loss of a control unit, which is difficult to replace due to the limited number available, it is a flying command post that essentially cannot be shot down in war because it is far from the front line of anatoliy, but in addition to the destruction of this command post, several were destroyed

helicopters, i would first of all single out whole mi-8 e-e tpr planes, i.e. planes for electronic warfare, we remember the story that when the russians lost several such helicopters near the russian border and now we have a continuation of this story. what is the special feature of these helicopters, how are they used, what is their potential and why? and now it will become less , how will it affect the situation on the battlefield? both radio-electronic warfare and radio-electronic intelligence, and this type of helicopter will be adopted in 2016 , although it was developed that of the soviet ones during the soviet union in the 90s, at the time of

adoption, there were only six of them. they planned to increase them to 20, the kremlin mouthpiece analog net claims that they can suppress everything and the main thing is to counter the soviet russian and modern western e-e radar stations months of months - this is to blind the crowns and to cover the work of fighters, as we can see on may 13, their month suffered inevitable waste after the meeting with the patriot , so it is already difficult to point out the invincibility and invulnerability of these helicopters, because in fact we see that, after all, they crash and their protection is already such a reliable pandoli. you are you missing the fact that it was the vpertriots who carried out an attack on that group which carried out barrages of ammunition on our territory and covered by them in

helicopters, we mi-8 , now i ? in the use of russian official equipment, this is precisely the activation by the enemy with the use of k-52 attack helicopters, which are trying, relatively speaking , to restrain the advance of our units in the south, they act in the format of such attack groups that are trying to destroy our armored vehicles that sometimes move slowly or through mined fields, what are your assessments of such tactics, how to counter this , what does the k-52 rely on when it carries out such strike missions? well, in fact, russia is trying to ensure the protection of its defense lines,

that is exactly why we see e deploy a deployed base from these helicopters to the temporarily occupied berdyansk, but the k-52 is primarily designed to work on ground targets, it can be shot down both from the visor and with e-e means of air defense, how to counter rather e-e this construction of a multi-level system of electronic warfare and air defense on the front line a-a which will comprehensively protect both offensive operations and front-line functions of constant deployment i would say as a conclusion er-e we need more modern means of electronic warfare and air defense that will be able to suppress a-a the capabilities of these e-e helicopters and other aircraft and neutralize them at a certain distance and when we say by the way, today there was an attack on

berdyansk can we assume what exactly just the flight that where were the russian helicopters, the planes were carrying this strike, because i have not yet seen the latest information about where exactly it was hit, ah, i assume that berdyansk. for now, it will be ah, well, it is such a very important target for our armed forces forces because e there is a lot of accumulation there, so, well, we are expecting a second chernobyl, i hope that it will really be planned and implemented, but when we talk about the k-52, it is, in principle, a common example of russian military equipment, but the enemy demonstrates a certain the dynamics that cannot but be alarming is precisely because of the use of the scaling of glider bombs in the front-line aviation, the bomber aviation, and the main thing is the scaling of the use of these sparing lancet munitions, the question arises

again, uh, what conclusions do i have to draw, how to counteract, especially with regard to barrages munitions, if we see on the video that sometimes appears on russian channels, we see that the enemy uses these lancets specifically for hitting sensitive targets, is it radar and armored vehicles and er, art systems or there are options for combating lancets, because i ask this question as an expert to many officials and hear different answers as to how to counter it. do you have a vision of how to minimize this risk that comes from the russian side, and in my opinion, the actual fight against lancets and planners i would say there are two solutions to this problem, the first is again