[000:00:00;00] although i thank you andrii andriyovich for this extremely important analysis on the air of the espresso tv channel in our tv viewers, i want to remind our tv viewers that the political scientist andriy piontkovskyi was working for them from washington since 2011. thank you. thank you. thank you . thank you. thank you. all the most important events of the day, take care of yourself and your loved ones see you on the air, we are deeply shocked by the news about the murder by the russians in the temporarily occupied berdyansk dvokh of ukrainian teenagers 16-year-old tigra on the afghan and nikita khanganov on june 24, granta nikita engaged in a battle with russian security forces and eliminated a police collaborator and one russian military man

before his death. tigran recorded the video , his last words were, "forgive." human rights activists highlighted the terrible story of the persecution of tigran and nikita; russian security forces asked for maximum publicity; they attracted the attention of the international community. and recently the european parliament passed a resolution condemning the actions of the russian authorities against the boys and demanded their immediate release; an urgent end to the persecution and the withdrawal of all charges against gonisian and khanganov is demanded, as well as their urgent release; an investigation of the perpetrators of the persecution should be added to the sanction letter. threatened to imagine up to 20 years in prison for a completely individualized case, allegedly they were preparing sabotage on the melitopol

railway, the prosecution handed over abuse children and their families were detained and brutally tortured, in fact they persecuted the boys for their pro-ukrainian position, the face of the russian side, this face of a murderer and a terrorist overflows with a feeling of threadbare meanness and cynicism in relation to the terrorist's country, because what can we talk about when the occupiers can afford to kill minors and kill children we ask about the maximum publicity of this shocking story, the world must once again see the true face of russia and finally realize that it is a terrorist country that must be punished for crimes committed in for ukraine, in particular, those guilty of the murders of ukrainian children should be convicted, and for ukrainian society, tigran nikita is an example of the courage of true patriotism and indomitability . they are heroes who never die. tigran and nikita

are far from the only children against whom russia commits crimes in the occupied territories , only in our programs, we do not once told you about similar stories, so that in april 22nd of the year, the russian military kidnapped and held for 90 days in the captivity of sixteen-year-old vlad the beet, my prison entered the room was thrown somewhere, people were beaten, there were blood stains everywhere, there were bandages there, well, there were cotton balls with blood. also , we talked about the story of 17-year-old andriy kachanovsky, this guy was kidnapped by the russians in the mykolaiv region, and he stayed in captivity for over a month. the soldiers came in and said where your sons are not sleeping. because when they put on the handcuffs, they went out into the garden, they gave the things there, they quickly got the handcuffs, now they twisted them, the handcuffs were thrown into the car like

a sack of potatoes for good luck vlada beet and andrii kachanovsky managed to be released from captivity, and to a large extent thanks to the publicity and public resonance, it is really very important not to silence such stories and to draw attention to them in every possible way . i also want to note that if you know about any crime against a child, in particular about abduction or deportation, do not remain indifferent and immediately report it to the police or report it to our website stopkraym.ua , you can do it even anonymously. girls who are wanted, if you recognize someone, please contact us on the hotline at the short number 116,000,000 calls from all mobile operators in ukraine are free, we have created a resource thanks to which you can report any crime against a child in any place at any time, just go to the site

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the company of his favorite presenters about culture during the war. have become as if the weather will at least give us some optimism ms. natalka didenko is ready to tell us and we will also have a distinguished guest of the studio today volodymyr grishko if all goes well the events of the day in two hours vasyl's big broadcast in the winter, a project for smart and caring people in the evening. i congratulate you. at this time, it should become familiar to you. 13:10 espresso tv channel. my name is yuri feder, which means that the program "the world during the war" is on the air, a program in which i and my guests discuss the most important things that happened. in the world during the past week, obviously with reference to ukraine, and we also try to at least take a look at the few days of the next week that lie

ahead of us and see what we should wait for and what this next week can bring us today's week, as always, will not be an exception, there will be an interesting guest, whom i will introduce a little later, but now i will do what should always be said at the beginning of each program, a reminder to those who watch us online, at least where we have not been turned off . thank you very much. and who watches on youtube , especially on the channel created especially for the world at war program, i would like to remind you that every week we ask you a question, this week, without exception, the question sounds like whether ukraine will be invited to nato at the summit in vilnius, which will take place in vilnius on the 11th and 12th july, that is, a week later, yes, there are three options for answers, yes, no, your option has already given their answers. 45 people, i will not tell you how they voted, so as not to set you up to vote this way or in another way, and out of 719 people, we

are watched on the dedicated to the special channel e for the world during the war on youtube. thank you very much. thank you very much to everyone who watches us on other youtube channels and also who watches us online. well , i want to remind you one more thing, i'm sure you remember, i'll just remind you, please put your likes on youtube it is very important for us dislikes make it unpleasant for us but i hope that it is not likes will be very few and write your comments this is on vkra espresso that you watch on youtube okay i am ready to introduce my guest today this is volodymyr ogrysko - minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2007-2009, mr. volodymyr, i am very glad to see you on the air. congratulations and glory to ukraine , glory to the heroes, we teach eh, i am also glad to see you, yuri, and i congratulate all our dear viewers, mr. volodymyr

, look at the first question ah, well, very often it happens that the first question i have is when i am preparing the script of the program. maybe even sometimes during the last week closer to the e-e air . but the first question comes to me very often just this morning after i read the latest news, so i read it today i opened the internet and read fresh news, i looked at the page of the british newspaper finanshall-times and here i am now asking the director to show us this graphic , an article appeared and here in this newspaper article with reference to sources on insider sources , journalists say that in the european union the issue of connecting the russian agricultural bank rosselhoz bank to the swift international payment system through a new subsidiary for processing payments in connection with grain exports is being considered. well, how do journalists motivate this? this is being done

in order to partially reintegrate russia into the world payment system to save this agreement on the export of grain mr. volodymyr ot please tell me if, paraphrasing the famous phrase of george orwell from the collective farm of animals there he was talking about animals and i'm paraphrasing it a bit, isn't it true that all sanctions are equal, but there are more equals, well, obviously , they continue to fear yuri in the west, in the european union, in nato, in russia, and continue to believe in a fairy tale that they have written for themselves for many, many years because russia is a sacred cow that cannot be approached, that cannot be touched and that must live forever, all that you say is not only this article, there are many other signals

that are sent only in order not to touch this pseudo-sacred cow somehow, somehow well somehow give her the opportunity to live a little longer without wanting to understand that this is uh, you know the way to nowhere when it's just uh, passing off wishful thinking, well, uh, you know yesterday uh, well, he's half uh what do you even call it, or are you half-drunk crazy or crazy drunk medvedev once again issued some of his crazy delusions about what will happen next and wrote in black and white that starting in july, russia will withdraw from e- e of this grain agreement, this is not the first time, it has already

been announced by the ministry of foreign affairs of russia about this was already said by lavrov and zakharova and others, he now confirms it, that is, he is preparing public opinion in the world for the fact that from there on july 18, in my opinion, this agreement will cease to exist, so instead of increasing the pressure on russia, make it so that it finally realized that her blackmail does not affect anyone, so there are proposals about how to de-facto help her, this is a removed condition , but this is a sentence for many modern western politicians, for those who seem to make decisions but in fact he does not want to make this decision. well, that's what is honest

saying makes you think how adequate these leaders are to the real situation that has developed in the world today , mr. volodymyr well, what exactly can this say ? but it is indicative that there is cohesion, but then this information appears about that. if this information appears, it is obvious that it is being talked about within the european union and is being discussed at the highest level, so cohesion is probably no am i wrong i see it here already there are two types of everything that we analyze external and realistic external it is definitely demonstrative it is correct it is everywhere er promoting that the european union is the only one that it er fights with all possible means and methods against russian aggression. he helps ukraine, which is true

, and it must be said as well, but there is also one that is a little bit hidden from the public and is being lobbied by certain countries or structures in these countries, countries that benefit from that or another course of action, well it is obvious that there are countries in europe that want to transport russian oil, that want to transport russian grain, that want to transport russian ammonia, and so on and so on. that is, we should not be, you know, people with decisive glasses and think that this is a political solution it was announced and everyone immediately rushed to implement it because, you see, people do not live by political principles, slogans very often , but by banal

, uh, earnings. on the one hand, there is political unity that really exists, and on the other hand, it is a struggle against those forces within each european country that want to earn money at any cost, but we have such, unfortunately, sad stories . that is, in your professional opinion, what is currently available is only how information can be adopted, it depends, yuri, on how strong the pressure will be from those forces who want to push through such a decision if they gather a sufficient number of lobbyists in high political positions in the european commission ukraine, members and so on, nothing can be ruled out if they are told clearly and clearly that this is not going to happen, it will not happen, we do not

agree with this, well, then it will be a different story , it is a banal struggle between one or another forces inside as it is. that's how it is in the eu countries, and that's why i think that we are unlikely to be able to give a 100% answer with you . but the fact that there are attempts and there will be. well, we should not have any doubts about this , unfortunately, mr. volodymyr, we you and i have repeatedly talked about well during your inclusions such a strange statement by hungary and its top leadership before the russian war in ukraine that came from the mouths of viktor orbán , the prime minister, the minister of foreign affairs of this country, pyotr siyardu, so there were new statements about what do you say about this new statement by viktor orbán as he said at the end of last week that ukraine had already ceased to be a sovereign

state at all , that it had fallen under the control. of the united states of america, and then on the same day, the minister of foreign affairs of hungary, petros jar, also complemented his boss . and let's listen to what peter siart said , then i will continue the question of europe drifting ever closer to disaster in every sense, unfortunately , even more disaster could have been prevented now and save thousands of lives but for this we need to get out of the psychosis of war , will this happen at today's meeting of the council of foreign ministers of the eu in luxembourg ? i no longer have any illusions. well, if we sum up these two statements made in one and

the same day, in your opinion, where is the limit , if there is one at all, when will the politicians of this country stop making such statements. independence in the literal sense of the word and that it is controlled from the outside and that this actually happened to hungary because any country that is already so directly and openly doing what they write to it in the dungeons from moscow, well, that is, it is precisely such a country that probably claims in order to it was called a country that does not have its own foreign policy, which only rebroadcasts what its patrons need, this is very sad , it is very dangerous from the point of view of the same european solidarity that we

just talked about, this is definitely moscow's dream when through its the fifth column through its trojan horse. it can really destroy the european union and nato with the hands of hungary. but it seems to me that , as in any such process, there must be and will definitely be a certain conclusion, well , look at the european union there is a union there are at least two ways to influence what hungary is doing today, even without regard to what is happening in ukraine , i mean russian aggression. and tens of billions of euros, on which

the stability of the internal political situation in hungary depends, not for the first time the european union , first with hints and then with certain such , unfortunately, half-hearted decisions makes it clear to hungary that this flow will stop, that is, i think that urban will wait until the promised money that he should have received from the funds of the european union and how he is counting on it in his budget policy, they really dry up, this is one moment and it affects the popularity and orban and fidesz in principle in hungarian society, the second point is something that has already been repeatedly discussed within the framework of the european union, namely the change in the rules of the procedure when the vote of one country, well

, actually will not be taken into account in particular taking into account the fact that this country represents a small amount of the population of the entire european union, so i think uh, at least these two points are extremely sensitive for hungary, and i think that uh , the european union will go for it, what should we do, uh, i think that uh, minister kuleba, reacting to all this the other day, well, we very uh, ironically and succinctly said that this is already fuck . that is, these are all uh, those conversations uh, which uh, should be treated exactly in this way that is, well, we cannot, er, change the methodology written by orban from moscow or siard, that is that means you have to respond to everything in an appropriate way, but never make concessions. what, by the way, is our state doing all the time , continuing the transition of schools in zakarpattia to

the ukrainian language, which seems to me to be a gross violation of the law on the state language in ukraine , but with such half-hearted efforts it seems that they do not want to stimulate even greater e-e anti-ukrainian actions on the part of hungary , but as we can see, this does not work, therefore, it is necessary to have a hard and firm position here and stick to it, and in relation to nato, if there is literally one more sentence , it is that hungary blocks the entry into sweden to nato i think the road will be expensive and it seems to me that in the near future there will be appropriate lessons of correct behavior with hungary, so to speak, and it seems to me that finally, even if it is , the hungarian leadership will be brought to a halt. has been dealing with the european union for a long time, and these scenarios are about

the possibility of the scenarios that you mentioned in the end, in the end, there is still a chance that the hungarian leadership thinks that it will be after all, it will continue to insist on its own and this will be the end of it. well, it seems to me that so far there are no such signs , i would very much like to be wrong, but from what we see from what the hungarian officials say such a conclusion is not suggested, therefore, i think that it will be precisely about the fact that moscow will use the dependence of orbán, er, isiyar, then to the full, until the moment when the authorities in hungary do not change in the matter, or er, the steps we are talking about spoke from the financial and organizational side the european union will not show hungary that this path is actually

a path that harms the interests of hungary itself. now, to finish the topic of hungary, let's put an end to this. please tell me in your professional opinion whether the people of hungary themselves want to change their government this is a question to yuri, which i ask not only to myself but also to my colleagues. when we discuss this, the problem is, unfortunately , that it is not only organs, not only sirko. and it is hungarians who support such odious anti-european politicians from moscow. well but uh, the chance lies in the fact that, after all, uh, well, the balance is almost 50 to 50 with some, so far, with some advantage, so far, uh, on the side of the current government, but it seems to me that uh, in

case of deterioration of the socio-economic the situation in hungary and the fact that the hungarians will have to think about why this is happening and come to the conclusion that these are the consequences of the body's independence from moscow. it seems to me that schalke still tipped the scales in the direction of adequate politicians who will quickly correct this situation . are already demanding from us let's break now for a short commercial break, so stay with us, we'll continue the conversation with you literally in a few minutes, i also ask all our viewers to stay , we'll see you there are discounts on combispasm and combispasm gastrocomfort 10% in pharmacies traveller, bam, save if you're an athlete who often stands on heels or even runs with excess weight or past pregnancy or old age has come or heredity on the wings if because of that varicose veins are already bothering you take normatrox

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