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, mr. volodymyr, how to continue our conversation. i will now take a look at our special youtube channel created especially for our program to see how many of us are watching there now and how they answered the question i asked at the beginning of the program, so there are 1137 people watching us. thank you all very much. but for the question whether will invite ukraine to nato at the summit in vilnius 31% think yes 63% think no 7% have their own option you can write your own option in the comments mr. volodymyr i did not ask a question about nato although i wanted to ask it one of the first, you still understand because exactly nato in a week. well, i don't know if it is fateful for ukraine, but it is extremely important for ukraine. i don't know that we now know half the program, they talked about it even before people started voting so as not to somehow influence their vote. now i finally

i will be happy to ask questions about nato itself well, but first let's listen to the direct speech of estonian prime minister kai kaas about this, let's listen to what she said during a joint press conference with the secretary general of the north atlantic alliance jenson stoltenberg in brussels, let's listen and let's see, the only thing that can put an end to aggression between neighboring states is membership in nato, so in order to lay the foundations of an unstable peace, we need ukraine to be allies in nato during the bucharest summit agreed that ukraine will become a member of the alliance and these words should not remain an empty promise now we need to find a practical way to achieve this goal we must send a powerful message of hope to the ukrainian soldiers who are currently in the trenches that nato membership is not far off and that they are leading their the last war with russia. well, mrs. kallas said during this press conference about a surprise

that could await ukraine, mr. volodymyr. i 'm sure you know a lot. who is watching what program now? please tell me what we can expect from this summit, you know, mr. yuri. i think that we should be calm. we should be realistic and understand what we want to get, what is ours. er, the main goal as of today, our main goal as of today is the expulsion of the russian occupier from ukrainian land, what do we need to do for this , we need to have appropriate weapons that we can use to make this process as fast as possible, what are we talking about today we are talking about extremely necessary things, i will only go by the opinion of our military

experts , according to the opinion of general zuluzhnyi, his colleague, and so on . if we have this weaponry, we will fulfill the main goal that we set for ourselves, namely the liberation of ukrainian land, that is, after that the actual answer to the question that you asked me, mr. yuri, what and how do we get at the nato summit? i think it's a success ukraine will have nato's decision that we are receiving these weapons and the second er success that can be called an invitation or a renewal of the invitation because actually er back in april 2008, all the leaders of the alliance countries at that time said

that ukraine would be in nato. that is, it can be the same consider it as an invitation, but with a delayed date when it will happen, that is, i think that if at the vilna summit, in addition to arms, we receive a clear message that on the first day of the expulsion of the russians from the territory of ukraine , the alliance countries will invite ukraine to join to the alliance, i think this will be the answer to your question whether they will be invited or not and the third point. i think that it will be that our partners and future panato allies finland and sweden received in the interim between

you see, even in this case, a little more than a year has actually passed, i’m not going to tell you what tricks the same hungary will arrange for us in order for us to go through this process for years, well, but that’s another issue , so i think a combination of these three moments and will give us an answer to the question of what we want to receive from the alliance if we receive what i have listed. i think we should be satisfied considering it as a practical step towards ukraine becoming a member of the alliance in the meantime. well, you said so confidently about weapons that are faster than well, you did not say that, but to be honest, it seemed to me that from your words that we are such a message that they will give us weapons that it is possible completely peacefully and it will be so i mean these medium-range missiles very at least i would like mr. yury to work a little more in the two

capitals in berlin and in washington, unfortunately, so far, my eyes are liberal-profound factions and in one and the other government they continue to be afraid of decisive steps and they argue that, well, you know it seems to me again like a children's scarecrow, what we talked about with you, that russia is an eternal cow that cannot, cannot, uh, disappear from the face of the earth , because they count on the fact that the victory of ukraine will mean the craft of putin's regime the pre-collapse of the putin regime opens the door to the uncontrolled collapse of russia, and they are afraid of it like hell, but actually this logic seems to me to be dominant today for a certain certain segment of this political

elite in germany and in the usa, which is actually holding the process. well, yes you know, you are in a stand-by position when you need to help , and at the same time it is scary, because this help will very quickly turn into the collapse of putin's regime, but this is the case with me and my colleagues in the center, and not only with many experts. a simple question, dear friends, open your eyes and see that the transformation of russia is beneficial to you from many points of view, both global and local, both political and economic, but unfortunately , for some reason, our western partners stubbornly do not want to see it, you already said about the liberal- global factions in the governments of various countries, well, in particular

, in the united states of america, in the countries of europe, with mr. volodymyr, i understand that history does not have a conventional way, it is not worth looking there, but i just want to hear your opinion on whether everything would be happening differently now in us if the president of the united states of america was ronald reagan, it is obvious that ronald reagan was remembered for the fact that he knew how to take responsibility and make decisions, and it was his determination , along with his obvious diplomatic talents, that made it possible to bring down soviet union to its objective end it would have collapsed anyway, but reagan's policy helped him without a doubt, that's why i think that uh , if uh, no, no, this is not about criticism

of president biden, but if so, well if there were people like reagan at the head of the western countries of the leading western countries, it seems to me that the situation would be resolved much, much faster, and i repeat once again in favor of these countries. it seems that some western politicians simply deny themselves the pleasure of making profits at the same time, the dividends in all parameters are due to the fact that russia will collapse, well, this is already, as they say, their problems, really look at volodymyr today in the dutch gas and ah , such a significant event is happening there a center for the study of russian crimes and crimes of russian aggression in ukraine is being opened last week. when i spoke with several people, they

expressed some skepticism about that, and another organization is being opened that will talk about something there, because we all understand that these criminals will not be attracted to everything one thing before the court uh, please debunk these doubts of these people well, i don't know who told you about it but it seems to me that uh, we have to do our job , do it uh, do it confidently and uh, it's possible even er you know so methodically and daily because every crime committed by er russian robbers and murderers on the territory of ukraine must be documented, this is the first step to the fact that after the victorious end of the war, all these people will be punished if there are no documents if there are no facts, if they did not file it on paper

, it is extremely difficult to bring such a person to justice, because what is currently being done, including the office of the prosecutor general, seems to me to be extremely important, because the more we the sooner we have such facts, the sooner the justice process will be completed. and by the way, according to his estimates, the number of these crimes remembered reaches about 100,000. you can imagine what is happening in the occupied territories of ukraine, this is the first moment, the second moment, whatever but even the international community, discovering new and new horrors created by the occupiers on ukrainian land every time, cannot pretend that it does not concern them, that is, it is no longer a question of whether to create or not to create some international body that will uh, well, in the literal sense of the word deal with all this

uh, russian uh, horror, it is only about what form this international body will have, that is, everything will be uh, a special uh, international tribunal , what is it there will be a tribunal within the framework of ukrainian legislation with the involvement of foreign specialists and experts and so on and so forth, that is, it is not a question of whether it is necessary or not necessary, but the question is, the more evidence we can now collect of russian crimes, the more they themselves are about it by the way will speak and thank you, thank you to many of them who themselves in their e or telegram channels or e-e appeals and so on actually confirm that they are criminals, the last case is putin's confirmation that he e-e financed a terrorist organization attached and

this is also the turnout is slow, as they say, so these are also things that need to be recorded, put in the basket, as they say, and wait for their time, so it seems to me that despite the fact that to some people , these crimes seem so big that they cannot be covered, believe me lawyers are people and slow but effective, and if we talk about international justice, then no crime will go unpunished. believe me, it is so that you understand this in private conversations. last week, some people, ordinary people, told me that. of course, i do not belong to these people. explained to them. i wanted them to explain this professionally from their point of view. volodymyr, the director of the cia , ian browns, speaking at one of the institutes of great britain on saturday, said well, obviously, if william burns says everything, then he is referring to denmark, which has his divorce

agencies about the fact that the russian leadership is being corroded from the inside and this movement simply cannot lose such a chance and is now somehow actively trying to recruit spies from within the russian leadership . and then i am from you in total, it is four, it seems like three , and you then said the same thing about the disintegration of russia. how do you see the future of russia? about the disintegration of russia, now this is the beginning of this disintegration. eh and eh, here you don’t even need to draw any parallels with the karnilov slaughter or something similar or muravyov eh and so on. it rather resembles the end of the history of the soviet union when the eh

country stands on stilts on some semi-withered crutches and which are just about to fall right under their own weight. whether this will happen tomorrow or the day after tomorrow is definitely difficult to say, because today the fate of russia is being decided on the battlefields in ukraine , and the sooner this victory happens, the rather, this poor dwarf who thinks that he is the mother of the world is one of them, not politically and most likely physically, and with his disappearance , all maria, which you are also showing now, will disappear, and at least there will be a chance for that so that real changes will begin in the post of russian territory. i return again and again, mr. yury, to the question of whether this

is beneficial for the west . well, look, it is disappearing. to deprive post russian territory of nuclear power weapons why? well, the answer is banal and simple, like 90°, because the global nuclear threat is disappearing, times are beneficial to the united states of america and definitely beneficial. that the russian federation is definitely profitable. see if you go further. and what is the problem of repeating how the nuclear disarmament of ukraine, belarus and kazakhstan took place , definitely no, only it will be much easier because in exchange for some

infrastructural financial and investment projects eh post russian countries i think with great pleasure will get rid of eh these weapons and what if these countries excuse me for my word offer again eh for relevant economic eh projects to help all countries become normal the democratic path of development so that they have only limited contingents of troops and do not extend to anyone. wouldn't this be in the interests of the same event as a whole and of each and every country separately, definitely not. isn't it important that this way world totalitarianism will actually be... is pushed back and defeated because china alone, without a russian partner and ally, will not be able to oppose world democracy. i am not talking

about a bunch of local things when the problems of transnistria of georgia will be solved, i mean the occupied territory of the southern session of abkhazia, nagorno-karabakh, when in the same version, resolve the issue of transnistria when those sources of tension that moscow has sown all over the world , especially in africa, will disappear, when today it actually terrorizes wagner's terrorist organizations through these same terrorist organizations half of the black continent and so on and so on, that is, here you can talk, you know, you can

specially , yuri, plant our conversation with such arguments because they actually are. above the post of russian reality , so that the honorable representatives of the political establishment of the united states of america should take care of this. and this is diplomats, this is also analytical centers, this is definitely the intelligence society of the community, and so on. and so on, i think what if mr. burns hears our conversation with you, mr. yurii? i think that we should congratulate him and ask him to think, and in this direction we casually congratulate mr. burns and we really hope that he watches this program. well, it should be watched, especially with such a guest ah, look, mr. volodymyr, during the past week

, a lot has been said about the wagnerites on the air and everywhere. i wouldn’t even touch on this topic today. i would not touch moscow if, first of all, let's listen to lavrov at the end of last week . это вы делать э-э россия всегда из яный передок and this eh is louder than the tension and it's hard to name. it's just a sloppy arrangement, some prevarication. ok, let it be as they want to call it as they want , but the day before yesterday, the propagandists of sillyov said that all that lukashenko has been talking about for weeks will be as he was asked to call prigozhyn to talk to the person who

was asked to do so, as he is peaceful, like a dove of peace the belarusian agreed to this, he went and brought peace to russia, well, in general , to the russian-belarusian region, because for him it is all a country, so kiselyov said that it was all a lie the day before yesterday on the air and said that lukashenka was not asked for that, but prigozhyn i called, even though i tried to call putin. putin said that we do not speak with traitors. he offered to talk to lukashenko, mr. volodymyr . about lukashenka, and again this is the question

, why did prigozhyn lukashenko not force lukashenka to make some concessions specifically in order to bring peace to russia, which i think is important. affairs, because in fact there is no ministry of foreign affairs in russia for a long time, there is a ministry of foreign propaganda, well, the internal ministry, as they say, deals with those odious personalities that you and i have already talked about more than once, but on the foreign side there is a powerful system, first of all, through the so-called ministry of defense, in fact, the ministry of propaganda, secondly, i was just very carefully following the reaction to these events that took place on june 24 of this year, to the reaction of foreign policy of television, well, external propaganda, sorry, departments and er, lavrov personally, so what is interesting about him during these first political hours was not heard at all er, i

think that he er, thought for a long time what kind of predicament he himself got into and what should he do now and where should he run faster? so this is yet again uh, everything is ahead. they are even creating some commissions there in order to find out who did what, what they said, and who fled where in the first hours of this uh-uh prigornytsky putsch regarding uh- e lukashenka and prigozhina you know p yurii i think we don't they need to do extra advertising because it's like putin - these are war criminals who will go there. so where will you and i send them after the victory, as they say, to this international tribunal in gaza or maybe somewhere in another place that will give them what they need. that is, i think so, looking ahead, of course, but

life imprisonment if they of course reach this gaga and are not destroyed on the road, whether by their own or by strangers or someone else, so i think that it is you know, try to understand the logic of the bandits, er, well, it's not even a little er it will be illogical from the point of view of what we actually need for our victory. and for victory we need to show the whole world that these people are criminals, that they differed from each other, what they talk to each other, what they agree on this uh, well, we shouldn't. it seems to me that it worries too much, because one way or another, uh, they uh, in our eyes, should be unequivocally uh, well, characterized

as such that are subject to criminal prosecution, uh , so i think that let them deal with it there between who called whom? who didn't call whom, all the more so, all of this, by the same propaganda, will be presented as the fact that putin actually showed himself once again in the match, that he held his own, that he didn't run away, that he didn't fly out, that he was in the kremlin was working like once again lying to the sand. that is, these are their problems. let's not advertise to them, but think about how to bring them to criminal responsibility as soon as possible. we will do it. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for participating in today's program. thank you as always for your expert answers and comments on everything i asked volodymyr ogryzko was on the air of the espresso tv channel in the sweet program during the war minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2007-2009 well, there is half a minute left.

we have 1,652 people watching on a special channel created on youtube, a channel for the world during the war. i thank you all very much. 411 votes, yes, people gave an answer to the question i asked, whether ukraine will be invited to the nato summit in vilnius only 30% think so, 64% think no, and your option is six percent well, if you are wondering how i would vote and i'm there and i will vote, i said that they will not be formally invited . they will not be invited. to complete and wait for a meeting with you next week, because there will be new topics, there will be new guests but it will be interesting as always, i say goodbye to you, but the broadcast of the espresso tv channel continues and it is picked up by my charming colleague iryna koval iro i congratulate you and i congratulate you yura literally for moment i will tell you about the most important events at this time, so