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strengthen ukraine's borders for drones join the border guard's gathering our weapon is the truth congratulations intera's information service joins the marathon on the front line of the information front, our people are invincible , we are winning, the only news of the village, the only news in the center of events, at 6 in the morning in ukraine , the inter team begins its work on the air of the single marathon my name is anastasia daugula, we will be with you for the next six hours, and we will start with a news release . five people were killed and 19 were injured as a result of attacks by russian troops in the sumy region, as reported by the regional military administration. during the past day, the occupiers carried out almost three dozen shellings , 170 voters were recorded, the enemy was fighting with artillery mortars attacked

9 communities of the sumy region with mortars and rockets . oblast, as a result of the attack by the russians, three private houses, 7 cars and a school building were damaged, the future of europe is impossible without ukraine, the head of the european commission, ursulofunderliajen, made the same statement during a visit to spain, a country that, since the beginning of july, oh, i, oleksandr sklyar, was born and grew up in kharkiv, a city that suffers daily from russian weapons, i know that poltava has become a home for tens of thousands of displaced people, and for me a second hometown where the best years of my career were spent. thank you

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freedom, the morning, the informational project of radio svoboda, top guests, every day, this is the ship district kherson is turned on live, we are somewhere in the vicinity of bakhmut, we tell the main thing on weekdays at 9:00, congratulations, this time should become familiar to you by now 1:10 pm espresso tv channel broadcast , my name is yuriy feeder, which means that the program world during the war is on the air, the program in which my guests and i are discussing the most important things that have happened in the world during the past week , obviously with reference to ukraine, and we are also trying to at least take a look at the few days of the next week that lie ahead of us and see what we should wait for and what this next week can bring us, today's week will not be an exception, as always, there will be an interesting guest, whom

i will introduce a little later, and now i will do what should be said constantly at the beginning of each program, a reminder to those who watch us online, at least where we have not been turned off . thank you very much. and who watches on youtube , especially on the channel created specifically for the world at war program, i would like to remind you that every week we ask you a question, this week , without exception, the question sounds like whether ukraine will be invited to nato at the summit in vilnius it will take place in vilnius on july 11 and 12, that is, a week from now, yes, there are three options for answers, yes, no, your option has already given their answers. 45 people have already given their answers, i will not say how they voted, so as not to convince you, at least, to vote yes or otherwise, and with 719 people watch us on the dedicated special channel e for the world during the war on youtube. thank you very much. thank you very much to everyone who watches us on other channels on youtube and

also who watches us online. well, i want to remind you one more thing, i'm sure you remember simply i remind you, please put your likes on youtube, it is very important for us, don't like it, it's unpleasant for us, but i hope that there will be very few dislikes. and write your comments, it's possible to promote our program in this complex youtube algorithm. as many people as possible could see today's program in the end like all the other programs not only of the world during the war but all the other programs of the espresso tv channel that you watch on youtube okay i'm ready to introduce my guest today this is volodymyr ogrysko - minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2007-2009, mr. volodymyr, i am very glad to see you on the air. congratulations and glory to ukraine . glory to the heroes. we would also like to see you and

congratulate all our dear viewers, mr. volodymyr. look at the first question. well, very often it happens that the first question i have, i am preparing the script of the program. maybe even sometimes during the last week closer to the broadcast. but the first question comes to me very often this morning after i read the latest news, so i read today i opened the internet, read the latest news, looked at the page of the british finanshall-times newspaper , and here i am now asking the director to show us this graphic, an article came out, and in this article of the financial times newspaper, with a reference to sources, to insider sources, journalists say that the european union is considering the issue of connection of the russian agricultural bank rosselkhoz bank to the swift international payment system through the new subsidiary for the processing of payments

in connection with the export of grain well, how do they motivate these are journalists. this is being done for that, well, at least they want to do it in order to partially reintegrate russia into the world payment system, to save this agreement on the export of grain , mr. volodymyr. i'm paraphrasing a little, isn't it true that all sanctions are equal , but there are more equal ones, well, it's obvious to yuri, in the west, in the european union, in nato, they continue to fear russia and continue to believe in the fairy tale that they have already written for themselves many, many years ago that russia is a sacred cow that cannot be approached, that cannot be touched and that must live forever

, all that you say is not only this article , it is many other signals that go only in order to make this pseudo sacred cow somehow well, somehow not to touch, well, somehow, give her the opportunity to live a little longer, not wanting to understand what it is, uh, you know the way to nowhere, when it's just uh, passing off what is desired for reality, well, uh, you know yesterday, uh, well, such a half-hearted -e i don't know what you even call these or if you're half drunk is medvedev crazy or insanely drunk once again published some of his crazy delusions about what will happen next and wrote in black and white that from july russia will withdraw from this grain agreement, this is not

the first time it was announced by the ministry of foreign affairs of russia, and lavrov , zakharova and others have already spoken about it. he is now confirming it, that is, he is preparing public opinion in the world to the fact that from there on july 18, in my opinion, this agreement will cease to exist. but instead of increasing the pressure on russia to do so she finally realized that her blackmail does not affect anyone, so there are proposals about how to de facto help her, this is a deleted word, but this is a sentence for many modern western politicians, for those who seem to accept it decision, but in fact, he does not want to make this decision. well, this is what, frankly, makes me think how

adequate these leaders are to the real situation that has developed in the world today, mr. volodymyr. well, what exactly can this say? what you say about cohesion within europe, from the past this week was held by the leaders of the countries of the members of the european union, let this be indicative of the fact that there is cohesion, but then this information appears about the fact that if this information appears, it is obvious that this is being discussed within the european union and is being discussed at the highest level, so there is probably no cohesion. i'm wrong, you see, there are already two types of everything that we analyze, external and realistic external, it is definitely demonstrative, it is correct, it is everywhere promoted that the european union is the only one that

he is fighting with all possible means and methods against russian aggression. he is helping ukraine, which is true and it should be said as well, but there is also one who is a little hidden from the public and who is lobbied by certain countries or structures in these countries, countries that benefit from this or that option of action, well, it is obvious that there are countries in europe that want to transport russian oil , that want to transport russian grain, that want to transport russian ammonia , etc. and so on. with glasses and think that a political decision has been announced and everyone immediately rushed to implement it, because you see, people do not live by political principles and slogans very often , but by

banal earnings. from the war of businessmen on the blood, they do not affect the er. therefore, on the one hand, it is er, well, political unity that really takes place, and on the other hand, it is a struggle with those er forces inside each european country that want to make money at any price, well, we have it unfortunately, these are sad stories, that is, in your professional opinion, what is currently available is only how information can be adopted , it depends on yuri, how strong the pressure will be from those forces who want to push through such a decision if they gather a sufficient number of lobbyists

in high political positions in the european commission in member countries and so on, nothing can be ruled out if they are told clearly and clearly that this is not going to happen , we do not agree with this, well, then it will be a different story, it is banal struggle between one or another forces inside as well as on e-e in the eu countries, and therefore i think that now we are unlikely to be able to give a hundred percent answer with you but the fact that there are attempts and there will be well, we should not have any doubts about this for a very long time sorry, mr. volodymyr, you and i have repeatedly talked about the strange statements of hungary and its top leadership before the russian war in ukraine, which came from the mouth of viktor orbán, the prime minister, the minister of foreign affairs of this country, peter siardu, during your inclusions. there were new statements about what happened

what would you say about this new statement by viktor orbán, as he said at the end of last week that ukraine has ceased to be a sovereign state at all , that it has fallen under the control of the united states of america? and then, on the same day, the minister of foreign affairs of hungary , petros jar, also added his boss. and let's listen to what peter siart said , then i will continue the question of europe, everything is drifting closer to the disaster in all senses, unfortunately now it was possible to prevent even more of a disaster and save thousands of lives but for this we need to get out of the psychosis of war , will this happen at today's meeting of the council of foreign ministers of the eu in luxembourg i no longer have any illusions well, to summarize these two statements made on the same day, in your opinion, where is the limit, if there is one at all

, when will the politicians of this country stop making such statements. countries well, you see, mr. yuriy, for some reason it seems to me that uh, it is not ukraine that has lost uh , uh, independence in the literal sense of the word and that it is controlled from the outside. it does what it is written in the dungeons of moscow, well, that is, it is precisely this country that probably claims to be called a country that does not have its own foreign policy, which only rebroadcasts what its patrons need, this is very sad, it

is very dangerous from that point of view european solidarity, which you and i just talked about, this is definitely moscow's dream when, through its fifth column, through its trojan horse , it can really destroy the european union and nato at the hands of hungary. any such process must and will definitely have a certain conclusion, well, look , the european union has at least two ways to influence what hungary is doing today, even without regard to what is happening in ukraine, i have hungary is actually very dependent on what falls to it, but it falls fatly from the common cauldron

of the european union, these are billions, billions and tens of billions of euros, on which the stability of the domestic political situation in hungary depends . that, unfortunately, with half-hearted decisions, e-e makes it clear to hungary that this flow will stop, that is, i think that urban will wait until the promised money that he should have received from the funds of the european union and how he is counting on in his budget policy, they really dry up, this is one point and it affects the popularity of both orbán and fidesz in principle in hungarian society, the second point is something that has already been discussed repeatedly within the framework of the european union

it is the change in the rules of the procedure when the vote of one country , uh, well, actually, it will not be taken into account, especially considering that this country represents a small amount of the population of the entire european union, so i think, uh, at least these two points, they are extremely sensitive for hungary and it seems to me that the european union will agree to this, what do we need to do? i think that minister kuleba reacted to all this the other day. that is, these are all those conversations that must be treated in exactly the same way . that is, we cannot change the methodology written by orban from moscow or siyard, which means that we must react to it in an appropriate way, but not at any time make concessions

, which, by the way, our state does all the time continuing the transition of schools in transcarpathia to the ukrainian language, which seems to me to be a gross violation of the law on the state language in ukraine , but with such half-hearted tension, it seems that they do not want to stimulate even greater anti-ukrainian actions on the part of hungary, but as we see it doesn't work, that's why you need to have a tough and firm position here and stick to it, and regarding nato, if there's literally one more sentence , it's that hungary is blocking sweden's entry into nato. so to speak, the lessons of proper behavior with hungary will take place, and it seems to me that i finally want to, well, the hungarian leadership will be brought in little by little, well , according to your opinion, vladimir, what about the confrontation that

the hungarian leadership has been waging with the european union for a long time and these are the possible scenarios the scenarios that you mentioned in the end, in the end there is still a chance that the hungarian leadership will change its mind or it will still be the case and it will continue to insist on its way and this will be the end of it well, i think that so far there are no such signs i would very much like to be wrong, but from what we can see from what the hungarian high-ranking officials are saying. such a conclusion is not suggested, so i think that it will be precisely about the fact that moscow will use orban's dependence. until the moment when the government in hungary really changes, or the financial and organizational steps we talked about on the part

of the european union will not show hungary that this path is actually a path that harms the interests of the vegetable itself now to complete already on the subject of hungary, put everything on this point, but please tell me your professional opinion, because the people of hungary themselves want to change their government, if by what advantage , so far , it is on the side of the current government. but it seems to me that if the socio-economic situation worsens in hungary and the fact that hungarians will have to think about why this is happening and come to the conclusion that these are the consequences of the body's independence from moscow . it seems to me that the scales have tipped in the direction of adequate politicians who will quickly correct this situation, god forbid, god forbid mr. volodymyr, the rules of television already require us to break for a short commercial break, so

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will invite ukraine to nato at the summit in vilnius 31% think yes 63% think no 7% have their own option you can write your own option in the comments mr. volodymyr i did not ask a question about nato although i wanted to ask it one of the first, you still understand because exactly nato in a week. well, i don't know if it is fateful for ukraine, but it is extremely important for ukraine. i don't know that we now know half the program, they talked about it even before people started voting so as not to somehow influence their vote. now i finally i will be happy to ask questions about nato itself. well, let's first listen to the direct speech of the prime minister of estonia, kai kaas, about this , let's listen to what she said during a joint press conference with the secretary general of the north atlantic alliance jenson stoltenberg in brussels, let's listen and see, the only thing that can put an end

to aggression between neighboring states is membership in nato, so in order to lay the foundations of an unstable peace, we need ukraine to be in nato, during the bucharest summit, the allies agreed that ukraine will become a member of the alliance, and these words should not remain an empty promise now . we need to find a practical way to achieve this goal. we need to send a powerful message of hope to ukrainian soldiers who are currently in the trenches, that membership in nato is no longer for mountains and that they are waging their last war with russia. well, mrs. kallas said during this press conference about some surprise that may await ukraine, mr. volodymyr. i 'm sure you know a lot. well, maybe not so how did you do it, but much more than anyone who watches what is the current program? tell me, please

, what should we expect from this summit ? what do we want to get, what is our main goal as of today, our main goal as of today is the expulsion of the russian occupier from ukrainian land, what must be done for this, for this we need to have appropriate weapons that we can use in order for this process was as fast as possible, what we are talking about today as extremely necessary things, i will only go by the opinion of our military experts, according to the opinion of general zaluzhny, his colleague, and so on, we really, really need missiles with an average range of 300,500 km. warplanes are badly needed, if we have these weapons, we will fulfill the main goal that

we set ourselves, namely, the liberation of the ukrainian land, that is, after that , the actual answer to the question that you asked me about, yuriy, what and as we receive at the nato summit. i think that ukraine's success will be nato's decision that we are receiving these weapons and the second er success, which can be called an invitation or a renewal of the invitation because actually er back in april 2008 , all the leaders of the alliance countries at the time said that ukraine will be in nato. that is, it can also add their invitation, but with a postponed date when exactly it will happen, that is, i think that if at the vilnius summit, in addition to armaments, we receive a clear message

that the first day of the expulsion of the russians for the territory of ukraine and the countries of the alliance will invite ukraine to join the alliance, so i think this will be the answer to your question whether they will be invited or not and the third point i think will be what our partners and future panato allies finland and sweden received in the middle between in fact, it is an invitation to join the actual accession, because you see, even in this case, a little more than a year has actually passed.