[000:00:00;00] drones, where do they fly from, in your opinion, what are the options for answers to these questions? i think that ukraine's position of non-recognition of responsibility for the strikes that are carried out on the territory of the russian federation is very correct, because it adds additional nervousness to the russians themselves. everyone is active there today. those who had it and those who didn't have it, clicked as needed and commented, including ms. zakharova, uh, she called it a tract, that 's normal, another time. well, look, we're not surprised by anything, but once again you're surprised because right after they celebrate the day there, how successfully did they hit sumy and how many people did they

kill there and here? right away they declare that it seems to be a terrorist attack, that ukraine is also an international terrorist , and as for the real damage, then even though, again, according to reports from russian sources, there are no victims or significant destruction, the fact that these potential drones were all really shot down without reaching the target, but in any case, the effect of such strikes is quite significant because moscow is exactly the place where the war should be be visible, because otherwise you won't be able to break the tv with anything, and there is a war going on in russia , are there any specific military objects, these drones were flying nowhere, what objects could they be, two

targets, at least two. if we talk about practical, only the cuban airfield which was mentioned is such a court airfield, the central base of the so-called military space forces, in addition to several regiments or brigades, airborne troops are also based there, and it is very close to moscow, the letter boards of the top management of the ministry of defense fly from there. that is it quite an important target, and the second is, strictly speaking, practically one of those drones may have been targeted, and the second is that moscow has always been considered as if the sky above the baska is being stirred up, it was believed that there is such a reliable umbrella from lithium rocket strikes that there

well, it’s just because they say that easter should not fly by, that is, with such blows , it is once again demonstrated that at least those drones were able to reach this border, and they were able to break through or pass through the helmets pavlo on the approaches to moscow well, at the same time, based on the fact that the russian air defense is causing us a lot of problems at the front, this is another goal that is being pursued to keep these russian anti-aircraft means to moscow and possibly even to pull them back from the front line to cover other objects inside russia itself, mr. oleksiy, something, these birds shoot down near moscow, near moscow , this indicates that the russian air defense systems are located there, or what does this indicate

that there is the most saturated most deep, insane air defense system, but again, if we assume that these drones were not launched from the territory of russia itself, and it was also from a certain distance from the muscovite, then most likely it corresponds to the truth, although there was a rush to say that it was like those drones are of the helicopter type, well , they usually don’t have such a long range. well, that means that they don’t cover the entire territory of russia. there is no continuous coverage by the vocational training system in the threatening directions, and what type of bird could it be, and yet what do you lean towards, where could it have flown from, i don’t even want to waste

time on making some versions, uh , the main thing is that there is a result, i’ll repeat it again even if, this time, the cuban roadblock, well, again, according to the reports, he was not injured, or maybe the administrative building was damaged, in any case, it is worth it if such actions are repeated . let's talk about the operational situation about the fact that there is a duel going on in the direction of bakhmut for interception of the initiative. this is how mrs. malyar formulated it. according to her, the situation there has escalated. earlier it was reported that in the direction of bakhmut , the russian army has a powerful group of troops and there are 50,000 people, what about that? in general, this situation shows that russia is throwing reinforcements there and that this initiative is actually the initiative. if yesterday

the military told us with confidence that it was in the hands of ukraine, today we are hearing from er, actually mrs. malyar about what exactly the battle for this the initiative is ongoing, the situation is difficult, and how much more difficult is it for someone, or can it be formulated in this way, if russia actively reinforces its forces, it is indeed difficult. if we talk about a strategic initiative , the majority of experts, those whom i wanted to tell , whose opinion is at a cost, are inclined to the fact that ukraine has now intercepted the strategic initiative initiative , that is, ukraine, ukrainian forces are able to impose their will on the russians, and the russians, in principle, if strategically, are forced to react if they take separate areas of the front

. that the struggle for who has the initiative at the operational level. why exactly bakhmut? of course , each of these areas of the front is important in its own way, but for the russians it is also a factor of symbolism, because bakhmut is the only victory that they were able to sell to their population for eight months of almost offensive actions of a winter-spring offensive operation. although , by the way, there is also a certain cognitive dissonance there now because, well, yes, the line is such an informational one that russia is actively doing. now it is discrediting the merits of the pvk varnera and that’s right there, eh. perhaps somewhere on our broadcasts, such a parallel was already drawn between the battles of zabaknuti bo yam for mariupol, that

is, before that they extremely inflated the importance of bakhmut and the importance of the victory of the capture of bakhmut. and now i say, are these two parallel? let's not say a contradiction, what does it mean to us in the context of discrediting wagner, we must say that bakhmut appears was not so possible, but it is obvious that there is still inertia because the number of forces that are now concentrated there is 50,000, and in total in the east according to our reports, up to 180,000 - this exceeds the grouping of russian troops that were concentrated on the eve of the invasion in february 2018, but i want to be in time . i want to ask you about the fact that the russian so-called warlords are concerned that ukrainian forces can force the dnieper on the left bank

, how likely are you can you in the near future evaluate this situation in some way, or should they really be afraid of it now, well , if we were a pedestrian, we would say, er , analyze, why exactly you are raising information there is so much noise around the situations on the left bank. i think it is just going there now, well, in addition to the competition between these various channels, in addition, there is an internal struggle now when the ministry of defense of russia is trying to censor itself psycho-inboles and it is difficult to say how real they are here ministry of defense in russia they perceive this threat, but in this way they sometimes try to draw attention to their channels to those parts that they take care of, but in

any case, that noise that well, i apologize they are glad to be there now, it is also for our benefit, i thank you oleksiy melnyk, deputy director of foreign policy and international security programs, coordinator of international projects, was a guest freedom of the morning, thank you, this is the freedom of the morning my name is katina krecha, further in this stream we talk about such topics in the gas , the international the center for the prosecution of crimes of russian aggression in ukraine and there they say that this is the first step to the tribunal for crimes of aggression, how will this center work and will it help to prosecute war criminals, let's talk further directly from the hospital ward, the ex-president of georgia, mikhail saakashvili, took part in a court hearing for the first time in the last six months, although online and showed the state in which he is , the ukrainian authorities called on georgia to return him to ukraine and summon the ambassador for a harsh conversation, will they listen in georgia we will talk to the ukrainian president later on our broadcast, you can ask your questions , the speakers of this morning show, discuss

the topics that sound here on the air, and also do not forget to like and subscribe to the radio liberty channel in the event that the international center for the prosecution of crimes of russian aggression in ukraine was launched and is called the first step on the way to an international tribunal. how exactly such a center should help bring the russian leadership to justice will be told by our correspondent in brussels, olena abramovich, the end of the war and already now to build a full-fledged case against the top of the russian federation so that at the time of the creation of the special tribunal it is ready such a goal of the newly created international center with a number of countries have already started prosecuting crimes of aggression to collect evidence, now there will be an opportunity to work together on them we have decided to support our partners who have started their own national investigations and we will centralize the existing evidence

, analyze it and also identify possible gaps in the evidence with the help of our experts who work here in the euro the baltic states poland and ukraine have already started their own investigations, and they will be the first to join the work of the center together with the united states and the international criminal court of the international criminal court. powers to investigate the main crime, which is the crime of aggression, which relates to responsibility for the very beginning of the war, that is why it is joining this popular platform, which is developing a basis for the future international tribunal, the work of the center will contribute to the effective and comprehensive investigation and prosecution of the crime of aggression, which is the initial crime and opens the way to prosecution to responsibility for 400,000 other international crimes, including the targeted killing of civilians

violence, torture, forced displacement of the civilian population, including children, looting and many others will not be included in his powers. however, he will prepare a high -quality evidence base, because complaints and statements from ukrainians who fled the war abroad began to be accepted by almost all western countries , so they are systematized and integrated into one big he case in ukraine has become the most documented in history , the founders of the center emphasized, and the head of the european commission , ursula fenderlyan, assured that the newly created center will play a key role in prosecution of prominent people at the beginning of this war, i.e. putin, from brussels, olena abramovych, radio svoboda, stream svoboda, joined in the morning, gyunduz mamedov, an expert in national and international criminal law, deputy prosecutor general of ukraine . welcome to our broadcast. thank you for joining. congratulations

, tell me if the international investigation office opens russia's invasion of ukraine, and is it really possible to believe that russia and russian criminals are now closer to the tribunal , as ursula von, for example, actually pointed out der lyana and in what way is this really an attack on a meeting as a justice, so this center is very desirable, because the main practice is justifiable, the investigation is reviewed according to the international crime. sense, this person will be engaged in responsibility for the security of these evidences so that they will be used in the upcoming future in the courts

to know the participation in this, the prosecutor of ukraine is the united states and the international criminal court, which the peculiarity of their work is how to describe these crimes, fix them, and you said that they should be stored, and what is the complexity or difference of this process, well , the point is that the form of evidence and the necessary orders are a very complicated process , and it is necessary to take the necessary access turns unfortunately, the official investigation of international crimes says that they should be preserved properly, that is, if this is mainly a digital investigation where the

not provided for the geodata that must be stored in the correct form for the new year , so that they call the doubts about the authenticity of all these documents when we and the testimony of people who are in the red on the territory of the union state during the time of america and the latin union year in these countries, in fact, it is a meat processing crime that will be committed in relation to the имена она будет оказывать оперативную уридическую финанскую материально-техническую настроения well, this is as i already said. this is preserved, all the evidence is analyzed, and so far a lot of facts and events have not been established, since part of the territory of ukraine is occupied. and actually , at this moment, how many recorded war crimes and war criminals . well, that's right, the provocative defense of ukraine to uh, almost 96,000 criminal proceedings uh

, and about 17,000 criminal cases are related to social process, national security, let me scribble, let's start everything on february 24, if we are talking about the number of criminal proceedings in the crime related to the frontal conflict, then it is necessary to take into account here and in 2014, and we can i am fully responsible to say that at the moment we have about 130,000 of these in production , the number, date, number is impressive, again, without much else, so to speak, we don’t know and the investigation is unknown, but what procedural decisions can be made, yes. like this should take place or can there be a trial in absentia and in relation to there, including the russian top and in relation to the executors of the names, the names are known and

when the first decisions may be made e-e turk in the conflict of ukraine international tribunal criminal court amen without the presence of heating in the courtroom the only exception we had a special tribunal for either stan klitschko, you will be an exception. that's how we talked and it's clear that it's a-a on er with us we'll say yes for now, not according to the presentation later about no er-er here

actually, these processes are complicated and we can only guess there . - and the international office for the investigation of the invasion of russia in ukraine, and that is, well, for example, we know that putin is already and how this maria lvova bilova is there in absentia with an arrest warrant, but this does not prevent them from continuing their activities, so to speak to speak, that is, about such an effect and consequences precisely to these people who are suspected and the evidence of what is to blame is already in this international office . well, why? history, but we must not forget that this is a similar mechanism . we have already had in history when the un investigative commission, which also activates the delivery of a large evidence base of those or the offender

, is related to the violation of a person's specific humanitarian rights they can to be used in its work in any investigative body, that is, there must be a clear mechanism, of course, this is the center that was created at the moment . correctly opens the international crime that was committed in ukraine through the universal investment mechanism, that is, 10% goes to them unfortunately , it is not, it is not fast and it is for the info-trebus , the specified time, the status is accused of not says that the president of the russian federation and he will water your children in this situation is one for this , it was necessary for a court to be held, where the court must issue a decision for the time of the status of the fox, they are suspected in this situation, as they say, they just

joined and explained junta from the moment the expert on national and international criminal law and the deputy prosecutor general of ukraine was a guest of svoboda ranok, then we talk about the situation in georgia, but the georgian authorities deserve a strong reaction from ukraine due to the attitude towards mykhailo saakashvili, still saakashvili. this statement was made by the head of the ukrainian ministry of foreign affairs, dmytro kuleba , commenting on the appearance of the ex-president of georgia at the online court session. the ministry of foreign affairs will have a tough conversation with him, he will go to georgia, we believe that georgia should stop abusing mikheil saakashvili and return him to us because he is ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky instructed the ministry of foreign affairs to summon

the georgian ambassador to kyiv and express his protest to the deterioration of the condition of ex-president of georgia mikheil saakashvili, and he called on the georgian side to stop the abuse and agree on the return of saakashvili to ukraine. of the current government of georgia is killing a citizen of ukraine mykhailo saakashvili ukraine has repeatedly called on the authorities of georgia to stop this show execution and we and our partners have offered various rescue options mykhailo once again calls on the georgian authorities to hand over the citizen of ukraine mykhailo saakashvili to ukraine for the necessary treatment and care and calls on our partners to ignore this situation and save this person actions of the ukrainian president and the ministry of health appeared after saakashvili the day before for the first time since

february appeared at the court session via video link from the hospital ward, and on the video he demonstrates how much he lost weight. tbilisi at that time he was in absentia. he was sentenced to 6 years in prison in the case of exceeding his powers during the presidential term. in connection with health problems, the politician was brought from the pre-trial detention center to the saakashvili civilian clinic. his supporters insist that the deterioration of his health i am connected with his poisoning, but the georgian authorities reject these accusations and say that there is no evidence for such conclusions

. saakashvili, who has ukrainian citizenship, was returned to ukraine in order to be released. in fact, he was released for treatment abroad. next, we will talk with oleg sahakyan , a political scientist who joined freedom of the morning. and i followed russia and said that this is a show execution by the hands of the georgian authorities. do you think that saakashvili, at the request of zelenskyi, could be handed over to kyiv if they wanted to? you have already handed it over. there is already pressure and practically coercion for such a circle to be made. since the situation of saakashvili looks extremely bad, and the situation looks really, if not critical, then extremely extremely difficult, in general, saakashvili is very ambiguous and not black and white, the figure of an adventurous politician who is in could be with coffee for everyone at the same time and even now

in this situation he produces a whole series of complex and challenges for ukraine and for georgia and for georgian society, on the one hand, he is a hostage of those methods in which reforms were carried out in georgia, by which it is clear what is going on a whole series of investigations and some of the claims have underlying reasons why ukraine and the european union do not focus on, for example, the fact that saakashvili is innocent , no one takes responsibility to cancel the essence of saying that he is innocent, but the way the court process is taking place, all this persecution in forms with the bringing of saakashvili to a critical condition with the admission of doctors and all this speaks of political persecution not on the fact of criminal cases but on the manner in which it is happening and it is clear that one of the accomplices of this is putin, who did not hide his aversion to saakashvili, today's georgian government is oriented towards moscow in many ways, and we can even see a certain correlation between how

saakashvili's condition is deteriorating, what steps are being canceled and how russia is lifting restrictions on georgian goods , launching logistical routes of air communication with georgia that is, we see that georgia is getting closer and closer to russia, and against this background, the standards of european integration are decreasing, and the level of trust in georgian is decreasing, to put it mildly. justice, especially on casey saakashvili, therefore, of course, this pressure will increase because this situation is actually a test for the georgian state to what extent it is really reformed. these are the challenges that you spoke about. the rapprochement with georgia is so uh and what are the consequences and for whom will they be so strong for georgia, for ukraine and for russia ? i think that russia perfectly understands that they

have lost georgian society in society the majority is absolutely anti-russian, there is simply an effect of scale when it is a small country that does not have, relatively speaking, 200 km of strategic depth, when the russians enter and you can break the appropriate logistics to win , withstand the first blow and then, on the contrary, already defeat russia, georgia understands that they are a small island next to russia, which can crush with one paw, and that is why it in a certain way shapes the position in society. despite all the aversion to russia, russia understands this. that is why it is now creating forks for the georgian authorities on the one hand, she is pro-russian, but on the other hand, she sits on an electronic chair from which control panel of georgian society, therefore, with this opening of air logistics, etc., they put the georgian government on a stretch between its nuclear electorate , which is small but united and has its interests with russia, well let's say conditionally rationally or irrationally, he is both in russian and between parts of society , actually dragging georgians into a political crisis

, inciting it in the european price, for example , about relations, how to mark it on relations between ukraine and georgia, for example, does ukraine need georgia's support, for example, in the confrontation with russia, no, ukraine does not have a critical need for georgian support , it would be positive, of course, and it would not be superfluous, but critical support either for the military , for the geopolitical, or for the economic, or for smaller plans for ukraine is not here , there is absolutely no asymmetry, rather, georgia is potentially interested in ukraine and its support, but now there is no such thing in georgia, what is the strict need or dependence for them to occupy conditionally about the ukrainian position forced by that and we have such a situation when the nations are in good neighborly relations with each other, but the georgian authorities, in principle, have all the space to flirt with russia despite the situation with ukraine, of course the situation will worsen with the official authorities if there is no change

of power in of georgia and the next steps. i think that it may also be the opening of criminal proceedings, for example, based on the facts of the tour-tour to check this and in relation to those who are actually persecuting saakashvili. and maybe other tougher steps that ukraine can take in the future involve diplomatic sanctions of a nature, plus they have managed that georgia is now very seriously lagging behind in the processes of european integration, they actually fall out of the three georgia, moldova, ukraine, and it is quite clear that by the end of this year we will already see a format not three and two plus one or two -1 and georgia will go alone and this will also open , say, other opportunities for ukraine to more actively put pressure on the georgian authorities in terms of saakashvili and the sanctions against russia thank you for joining. thank you for explaining these processes, but the whole ocean. ukrainian political scientist was a guest of our island. we talked about the situation around saakashvili. this is freedom in the morning . my name is kateryna nekrecha. and every weekday from

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