[000:00:00;00] zaporizhzhia, kherson, dnipropetrovsk, mykolaiv, odesa regions that are nearby, well, relatively nearby, who is closer, who is further from the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant? take care. let's meet tomorrow. this is on this 10. serhiy rudenko and the verdict program are watching together. good evening. we are from ukraine . glory to ukraine. this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko. everyone. congratulations, i wish everyone good health, the armed forces of ukraine officially inform about the possible preparation of provocations in the near future on the territory of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant by the russian occupiers russia deployed 94% of its forces to the war in ukraine, the head of nato's military committee, dutch admiral rop bauer, believes that russia has nothing else

to do except the war with ukraine, believers of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate prevented the commission of the ministry of culture from sealing the released bodies of the kyiv pechersk lavra due to a serious health condition ex-president of georgia saakashvili, the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine asked the ambassador of georgia to leave ukraine we will talk about this and other things in the next hour with our guests from veterans of the russian-ukrainian war oleksiy hetman diplomat oleksandr khara and people's deputy of ukraine mykola knyazhytskyi let's start with information about the losses of the occupiers in ukraine in ukraine 231,000 30 russians have already died in the last day alone the armed forces of ukraine have destroyed 770 people at the beginning of the great war russians have already lost in ukraine 4:059 tanks 7908 armored fighting vehicles 4252 artillery systems 647

rocket launchers 394 air defense equipment 315 aircraft 309 helicopters 6,843 units of automobile equipment 18 ships boats 1264 cruise missiles 3602 drones 590 units of special equipment for those who are currently watching us on youtube i want to invite you friends to take part in our survey today we ask you about whether the branch of the orthodox church in ukraine should be banned yes no please vote in to our survey or write your version in the comments, i want to introduce our guest today, this is oleksiy hetman, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, a major of the national guard in the reserve of major. good evening and i welcome you to our

on the air good evening, let's start with the information that just appeared on the official pages of the armed forces of ukraine , the armed forces of ukraine officially inform about the possible preparation of a provocation at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in the near future, i will quote the statement of the armed forces of ukraine for operational information today on the outer curve of the third and fourth power units of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant were placed foreign objects are similar to explosive devices, detonating them should not damage the power unit, but may create a picture of shelling from ukraine. russian mass media and telegram channels say in the message of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine on facebook that i was monitoring the russian public a few hours before the program and i see that they are very actively dispersing the topic that an explosion may happen on the night of the fourth to the fifth of july or well, the simulation of the explosion at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, according to you

, what purpose does russia pursue by intimidating the world and ukrainians with a possible explosion at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant ? well, what you are saying is to scare the whole world , and the main thing is that they want to do something like, uh, with these attacks of ours, with our attacks, we somehow can't uh, we can't be trusted that uh, we will still attack , we will destroy there this station, what kind of commission did you have? it came to check that nothing seemed to be mined there, there were some laminations around the station, but with our shelling

, we seemingly destroyed and are destroying this station. to trust, and they are already starting to tell us that we are preparing for this, that they have known this for a long time, zakharova was told that soon the whole world will see how there is no reason to stop, they are dispersing , why are they doing this, well, how do they want to shift the responsibility for this terrorist act to us with you well, why is this being done? the main intelligence directorate of the ministry of defense reported earlier that the russian federation wanted to withdraw all the personnel of the zaporizhia nuclear power plant by the fifth of july, that is, before on wednesday, and it is clear that the russian public accepted this information, saying, "you see, the armed forces of ukraine are preparing this provocation, although we know that for 15 months of the great war , the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is

under the control of the russian occupiers, and this is most likely a terrorist act by any terrorists in the world because, well, imagine what, let's say al-qaeda seized some nuclear power plant for 15 months and gets and blackmails all spring, well, it's simply unthinkable, are our arguments convincing for the world that the russians are blackmailing the whole world and that it is the russians who are to blame for the fact that now the world is on the brink of another nuclear disaster well, you know these things are quite obvious that and about the fact that the russians and representatives of russia they offered to leave urgently and the workers of the stations to leave and some of the people were military personnel derived from this station, well, such arguments as seizing the station and blackmailing the whole world with a nuclear, possibly

a nuclear disaster well, they seem to be obvious to many, but unfortunately , the modern world is built in such a way that some people they will believe that it is our fault if something happens there and it is well, they still believe, they continue to believe these russian fakes , this russian message to the future about bandit channels that ours are here , that we are planning to take some actions there and harm the whole world, that's why we have to understand what kind of world do we live in, and well, to perceive it as a range, the dutch admiral, the chairman of the nato military committee ro bauer, says that the russian attack on the gas station will affect the whole world and that it is not only about ukraine and not only about russia, but also about the whole the world and the consequences will affect the entire planet. he stated this in an interview with the lbc radio station. according to him, this is something in which

the whole world will be involved, because such an event will have a huge impact on europe, and he also clarified that since it will be an ecological and medical disaster, it will be framework of nato and security issues. what do you think, mr. major? after this , how much will the world be united and united against the russian federation, against the terror of putin's army, against the terror of the kremlin , against the entire planet earth? well, you know first of all, well, not necessarily the destruction that they plan to do at this station, it may not necessarily be a destruction with the leakage of some radioactive elements, it may be the destruction of just those turbines, well, those uh, devices that convert eyes convert this thermal energy, which is the heat that is released into the atomizer, and into electrical energy in order for us to receive electricity, they can

destroy the simple equipment around the reactors, and in this way , make this station well, or it will take a lot of time to restore it, or it will be impossible to restore it at all. there are other scenarios that they will, as it were, transfer the station to the station under the control of mega-t. there is such information . well, the manager came to have money, he came to see if it was happening there, then he went to negotiate something with putin and it is possible that there is such an option that they will lead to 11 to control the mother, that is, then russian servicemen will come out of there. well, she will also be under our control , but they can make a remote explosion because in order to blame us for what happened, they presented everything as civilized people , but we and you went in - such a disaster happened . well, we must also pay attention here to the fact that in kursk, there is also a kursk nuclear power station

, and it is happening there very strange movements and there seems to be something there, something there is similar to the fact that this station also passed. it is quite possible that they want it, they can tear something off at their station and then in the kursks and then accuse us of the fact that we, well, for the sake of some we destroy unclear goals destroyed their zaporizhia station and also destroyed the kursk station, that is, some kind of action is being prepared about professional terrorist well, here we need to understand it and somehow adapt to it, not only technological what to do during the time if the armor is already pulled out and how will these react actions, political, informational, to respond if harrowing god there will be some events directly at the zaporizhzhia station and then , and before that, the kursk station, so the situation is quite tense, russia could not go

to take such steps, well, in order to deflecting the attention of the whole world from what is happening directly on the battlefield in order to somehow stop and prevent our partners from helping us with weapons and everything else that is necessary for victory, mr. oleksiy , the commander of the combined forces, lieutenant general serhii naev, on his page reported on facebook that the ukrainian defenders are strengthening the northern border of the country with personnel and equipment due to the events around the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant in connection with the latest events around the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant station, a decision was made to strengthen the northern border of our country with both personnel and military equipment, does this mean , mr. major, that at the same time as the actions at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, there may be some actions on the northern border, well , this was discussed at a meeting of the supreme council and it was, attention was drawn to

it, that well, after, well, some part of these private military companies , wagner, together with the beautiful ones, what can be expected , well, provocations, well, it is unlikely that it will be any serious offensive actions from the north, well, from these remnants of wagner, or the remnants of the belarusian army, but the provocation is certain, certain, to be expected, it is quite possible, well, we know that the russians are carefully preparing for certain dates, for certain events on the 12th, nato will open itself in vilnius, and it is quite possible that on this date and on this same day, they can create some kind of provocation on the northern border, it will not necessarily be ukraine, but it could be a provocation in belarus - polish or belarusian

at the lithuanian border and it may be some kind of action and at these nuclear plants, well, in zaporizhzhia, it is also possible at the kursk plant well, therefore, it is necessary to pay attention to the fact that, well , it is necessary to understand that this can happen, that is why there was an order to strengthen, well, to strengthen the rotation of the troops vigilance alone on the northern border waiting for some offensive actions, namely some provocative actions , let's talk, mr. major, about the situation with the counteroffensive, the speaker of the joint press center of the defense forces of the taurian direction, valery the hornet describes the situation in the tauri direction as of the fourth of july 2023. we hear in the tauri direction that the defense forces are systematically knocking the enemy out of positions. aerial reconnaissance

of the area, we inflict fire damage with artillery on detected enemy targets , counter-battery combat is carried out , demining is carried out. therefore, the month of the great of the counteroffensive, well, at least the counteroffensive that everyone was waiting for, which began at the beginning of june . how do you, mr. mayor, assess the progress of the counteroffensive ? what did the ukrainian army manage to achieve? well, we are making irreversible progress, not fast, but not reversible if you listen or pay attention to the comments of military personnel e- well, what qualities are understood in the military affairs of specialists both inside the country and abroad, well, and of course, on our intelligence , which tells about what we do, then

you can understand that these actions should not be considered the project is based on people who are not related in a certain way or not related to military affairs. well, they can comment on their relatives, their seedlings, they may think that it is not so fast, that it may not be as i wanted it, is it worth addressing it well, i don't think it's worth paying attention, even though it's annoying, but in his interview, mr. luzhnyi never once said that he was simply being taken out of balance in lviv, so when he sees such comments about what's wrong, i'd like it not so quickly that and even advice on how to do it better. well, let's just try to understand why we have less forces, er, military manpower, as they say, less equipment , less artillery, less shells, just less but we will continue offensive actions and advance well , as they say to me, what about the planes of which there are fewer of us and worse quality well, let's if it were the other way around

well, let's just imagine if, for example, we took up the defense, built uh , powerful operational facilities, we would have more than the russians, and if the russians would advance and advance, they would advance, they would advance meter by meter by kilometer having less than ours. well, we would be inside the country. i think i would be very surprised and immediately start thinking about some kind of hail there , i knew it was deep, and i would be very surprised how the russians manage with smaller forces, having less. but it is not possible to advance in 5-7 -10 times less loss than the enemy. that is, we would think that these are the actions of some army that does this. well, they are playing , why is it a pity? everything replaced around still pushes on

tens of hundreds of meters and someone is sitting and telling what well, maybe not so fast i wanted to and i wait one more time to think there are only less of us less of us less of only three more are needed wonder we don't have p- we don't dominate in the air how should it be during offensive actions and we will still advance and will advance further. if this is not a successful action, then well, let the person who thinks so, let him just open some textbooks or something and calculate and how to do as little and as little force as possible to cause such damage to the enemy. and is it good or not well, that's why it seems to me that all those critics are people who are either knowingly or useful fools who work for russian propaganda . according to the spokesman of the eastern group of ukrainian troops, the belly rashist series concentrated more than 180,000 soldiers in the east in the direction of bakhmut, 50,000. it is clear that one of the tasks of the ukrainian army in the south, there is access to the administrative border

between the mainland country and the autonomous republic of crimea and the liberation of the peninsula from the russians. borders that were fixed as of august 24 , 1991, i.e., donetsk luhansk oblast, autonomous republic of crimea. the western press assumes that upon entering the administrative border with crimea, the ukrainians will place missiles and force the russians to some kind of peace. and what will happen next with crimea? to be decided, including thanks to some mediators, western mediators, you, mr. major. in your opinion, which of the scenarios is more realistic, that is, entering the territory of the peninsula and liberating it completely

, or is it still a peaceful military-political such a diplomatic way to force russia, after all, in some perspective to leave the peninsula without the entry of the armed forces into the peninsula. well, you know , it's kind of strange here, oh, even our partners sometimes comment like that that, well, it's no less strange. if we manage to get out, well, nothing, when we get out the coast of the sea of ​​azov, that is, we will cut off the supply by land with the mainland of russia, all that is still necessary for the introduction of war is the crimea, then the crimea fell to a large extent, well , only the crimean bridge will remain in the conditional environment on which equipment can move, but it is also not eternal, it can be destroyed very quickly. well, the only thing that remains is to transport something by water in the crimea. they even calculated such an option. the russians in the new russian

e-e rebuilt the landing ships on which they transport the marines in i also found transport camels on which they will bring something or a teacher of people directly from the island, well, let's imagine that you were taught in such a way that in addition to we have artillery and missile systems that are capable of hitting any point inside the peninsula, we have a place to hide, so we should not talk about negotiations, we should deliver an ultimatum, i said earlier that the conspiratorial surrender of the russian troops located in the crimea is called the surrender of the visas that were surrounded in case they refuse to surrender, we will destroy them period even without entering the peninsula because we have enough missile artillery systems to do this , what does victory mean, what negotiations with whom to negotiate again - this is an ultimatum of encirclement

surrender or you will be destroyed, everything that means negotiations, well, if you call it an ultimatum, negotiations, if that is what is meant, then let it be a renegotiation of negotiations, but for some reason these negotiations used to be called ultimatums, well, that's what it is. thank you, oleksiy, for the conversation. it was olek hetman, a russian veteran - ukrainian war major of the national guard in the reserve, friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel , as well as on the youtube and facebook platforms, those who are currently watching us on social networks and on youtube can like this video subscribe to our pages well and vote in our poll today we are asking you about whether it is necessary to ban the rpc branch in ukraine and no your option there are three options for answers well the third option is the one you will write in our comments under this video we are interested to know your opinion please write and we will sum up the results of this vote at the end of the program. further on

, we will have oleksandr khara, diplomat, expert on foreign and security policy , center for defense strategies. greetings, sir. oleksandr and i am glad that you joined our program, thank you for the invitation, let's start with the message that was circulated with the armed forces of ukraine just a few minutes ago, they officially inform about the possible preparation of a provocation in the near future on the territory of the zaporizhia npp on july 4, according to operational information on the outer curve of the third and in the fourth power unit of the station , foreign objects similar to explosive devices were placed and, as reported by the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, their detonation should not damage the work, but may to create a picture of shelling from ukraine, the chairman of the nato military committee is a dutch admiral. he says that if there is an explosion at a gas station, it will affect not only ukraine and russia, but

the whole planet in general, and europe in particular, according to your if, after all, russia dares to make any provocations at the zaporizhia nuclear power plant, well, it is possible there at the kursk nuclear power station, or at some nuclear power plant that is located on the territory of the ukrainian state, how harsh will the world's reaction be and will it not be the same of the red line that the west always talks about, but we don't, but russia will not cross these red lines so that they feel even tougher sanctions, even tougher treatment , even tougher conclusions. to another war crime of such a scale, because we also saw with the traffic light hydropower plant, it seemed to be normalized, if not to say that somehow

our western partners reacted in such a way that it was painful and that the russians thought that their no more things to be done about the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, of course i would like the position of the united states and other allies to be as defined in the draft resolution of senators graham and buntal, and the resolution is not binding , but it is important, it is an important signal for now i didn’t take it that way. yes, it says that any strike of a nuclear weapon or a dirty nuclear bomb or something interactive at nuclear power plants will be considered and there is no difference whether it is russian troops or belarusian or proxy forces such as wagner will actually be considered an attack on a nato member country and will require a response as provided for in article five of the washington treaty, i.e. a collective response, and actually

i hope for such clear signals from the united states in particular that this is a terrorist attack on a global scale, it will simply cause such an attack on the russian infrastructure that it cannot corrugate before that, you remember very well the same benhodges said that as soon as russia uses such a weapon, the united states can launch an asymmetric attack, that is, a non-nuclear one weapons and conventional weapons, but in terms of force it will be equal to a nuclear strike, and he called the black sea fleet of the russian federation and its russian-beneficial infrastructure in the temporarily occupied territory of crimea the black sea, so i hope that it will not come to the point that these crazy people commit such an act of terrorism because of a-and actually they are restrained by the readiness of the united states, first of all, to well, you saw the reaction a few days ago on

espresso, i spoke with general ben hodges, i asked him a fairly simple question: if putin is a terrorist and he is a terrorist and a person who seized the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant and blackmails the whole world and blackmails tactical nuclear weapons in education . he didn't give me a clear answer. maybe you know the most important answer. of course it 's a nuclear weapon . of course this person sitting in the bunker is so afraid of his physical death. in fact, the red line is when putin can press some button there. although all the other threats and we have seen this starting a large-scale invasion, or rather even since 2014. let's remember that pikin then

admitted in an interview that he had given the order to bring his nuclear deterrent forces to combat readiness. well and in fact, since february 24 of last year, several times they brought them into combat readiness, then conducted extraordinary training, that is, in fact, in this way, he constantly reminds that he has this weapon and he can do something. well, actually, this is the main thing the answer to why some tamahawk or some other intelligent missile will not fly there, its creature cannot be taught from history, just used because of course, nothing . this is not something to hope for. something like this is not worth it, only in the case of an armed conflict between the russian federation and nato countries, one can hope that such a plan will be the representative of nato secretary general jens stoltenberg

announced today that the term of his mandate at the head of the alliance has been extended for another year and that his mandate will expire on october 1, 2024 these powers were extended by all the members of the alliance, but today stoltenberg announced this. does this mean, mr. oleksandr , that stoltenberg can become the secretary general of nato who will welcome ukraine to the north atlantic alliance? that he had already been extended this term, and it was connected with a large-scale invasion. and they decided not to change the secretary general this time , in fact, the same motivation, since on the one hand he is not on topic, he is quite it works effectively, on the other hand, nato did not want these

, well, you can say such pre-election races, because there is an interesting candidate there and the prime ministers of european countries, there are calls and powerful names from the security point of view, especially decided to leave him. and he, by the way, i he is second in the middle, well, in the history of nato for the length of his stay in this position. he probably won't be able to overcome the 12-year term like his predecessor in the 70s. that's it, but it's unlikely. it seems to me. legitimate e-e requirements to the alliance to give clear signal and for ukraine to become a member of nato immediately after the victory of this war. to be honest, i hope that such a formula will be found, but on the other hand, most likely , it will not be such a formula. there will be something better than bucharest 2008. but it is unlikely that this will be a clear signal. again, to talk about

a wide open door because it seems unlikely that this can happen except under the conditions of a victorious offensive of the ukrainian armed forces and, let's say, a collapse of the russian front, which will cause a chain reaction actually in the russian federation we saw with the so-called prigozhyn march of justice to moscow that the russian federation looks like a powerful totalitarian state with powerful and bloody leaders, but in fact it is fragile inside and if it is powerful enough one blow at a time, it will begin to fall. and precisely under these conditions, of course, the possibility of ukraine joining nato will increase when there are certain destructive processes and, for sure, i hope disintegration in the russian federation then there will be a historic chance open for ukraine to become a member and in order to