[000:00:00;00] therefore, it seems unlikely to me that this can happen only under the conditions of a victorious offensive of the ukrainian armed forces and a collapse of the russian front, which will cause a chain reaction in the russian federation itself. we saw with the so -called march the march of justice of beauty to moscow that the russian federation looks like a powerful totalitarian state with powerful and bloody leaders, but in fact it is a cry inside and if there is a strong enough blow one by one , it will start to pour down and precisely in these conditions of course, the possibility of ukraine joining nato will increase when there are certain destructive processes and , for sure, disintegration in the russian federation, then there will be a historic chance open for ukraine to become a member and in order to

hold back russia and not, let's say, to win back what belongs to us literally in a week, the vilnius of the north atlantic alliance will take place, where the president of the united states of america, joseph biden, is planning to come, uh, before this, uh, before the summit, volodymyr zelenskyi has repeatedly repeats that the alliance must give a positive signal to ukraine, otherwise there is no point in ukraine in general, there are any negotiations or, er , there is no point in developing any activity . what do you think will be a victory for ukraine during this summit? what will we consider positive news from vilnius? well of course, the maximalist position is a clear signal that ukraine does not just have the right. and if the door is open and that it will become a member of nato immediately after the end of the war, and of course we do not

demand that nato accept us and then fight with the russian federation, which is a nuclear powerhouse. we want to liberate all our territories from the eu and then become a member of the alliance , on the one hand, to receive primarily a nuclear umbrella, and on the other hand, to be an important contributor to european security and deter the northern barbarians from any thoughts about there of the baltic states of poland or romania or in other directions of course it will be positive for us and this seems to me to be the sweetest part of this bitter pipe that we can get at the summit, it will be the commitment of nato member countries let's say that long-term and legal obligations regarding assistance to ukraine as to be honest, i did not use such a phrase as a security guarantee, because we already had security assurances in the budapest memorandum, and of course, as long as

the fifth article of the washington treaty does not apply to us, that is , an attack on ukraine means a collective response all nato members, er, any agreement cannot be called in this sense a guarantee of security, but a guarantee of security assistance. and this is what we really need, because when we become nato members or hmm, i don’t know if it will be there in a month, a year or longer. we still need certain capabilities that will allow us to defend ourselves and deter future aggressions of the russian federation. as far as i know, the ukrainian side has already conveyed to our partners the actual vision of the defense forces that we want to have for that to be sure that any aggression from the russian side in the future can, well , actually be overcome and ukraine will be victorious. and actually this is the most important result that i

hope we will get from this summit in from the point of view of financial obligations, from the point of view of what capabilities will be given to us, starting from the fact that we already have artillery and tanks, ending with conventional long-range missiles and aviation, and actually access to, including intelligence means , what we do not have and do not it is enough, we will leave extremely from e-e from our western partners to intelligence purposes, that is, everything that makes high-tech e-e weapons so effective and, accordingly, gives us an asymmetric advantage, so i hope that it will a powerful package that is legally binding on all countries and which they will implement , and accordingly the ukrainian defense will increase its ability to shoot back, it is clear that this is already the final point of these negotiations and some decisions, and it is possible that the fate of these documents will be decided these days.

will be fixed and signed at the summit . we remember that a year ago, when sweden and finland announced their intention to join nato, they received temporary guarantees from several members of the north atlantic alliance in particular, great britain, or can this formula be used for ukraine? unfortunately, it cannot be used yet. do you remember how the ukrainians asked nato to close the sky so that uh, russian missiles would not aim at ukrainian uh, maternity homes and residential quarter i actually the factor of nuclear weapons and the reluctance of our western partners to cause a direct conflict between nato and the russian federation, which can lead, as diplomats say, to unforeseen consequences. bearing in mind in this case

, of course, the use of nuclear weapons, therefore guarantees cannot be provided, guarantees can be introduced that we will be supported, let's say certain capabilities, i mean, first of all, weapons, equipment, well, as well as financial assistance, such guarantees as you say cannot be, by and large, guarantees of ukraine's security can be three first - it is actually a nuclear weapon. i think that it is not necessary, considering that ours has the majority of nuclear weapons, has a fairly powerful nuclear weapon system, despite the fact that, let's say , it is quite powerful, at least moscow is not bad protected, but of course, our armed forces show the ability and ingenuity to bypass this system, but in any case, in the calculations of nuclear weapons, let's say so , it is necessary to assume that they will be able to intercept a certain number of carriers, the second is actually such an agreement as is between the united states of japan, when an attack on japan will

mean the automatic participation of the armed forces of the united states on the side of japan, and the third is the fifth article of the washington treaty. the last two positions are still impossible considering the nuclear factor. but after our victory, the situation will be somewhat different . i hope that the defeat of the federation is really painful on the territory of ukraine, it will cause internal destructive processes, and when this chaos begins in moscow and in russia, i hope that the traditional rebellion will be merciless and senseless as it is, they love the russian federation, and then an opportunity will open up. and in fact, then ukraine can also receive temporary guarantees until there is ratification by the parliaments of the nato member countries of the respective

documents for the passage of ukraine and, accordingly, our membership, and at the end of our conversation , very briefly, if possible, about the situation around saakashvili. the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine asked the ambassador of georgia to go to tbilisi, but actually for consultation . hmm, due to the fact that the condition of the imprisoned citizen of ukraine mykhailo saakashvili has worsened, this is the saakashvili case, is georgia responding to our requests and our reaction to this case in a proper way, or in principle those who are in tbilisi they are now under some influence of the russian federation , in fact, this whole story of saakashvili is a continuation of this influence and the strengthening of the influence of the russians in georgia

. georgians are absolutely pro-ukrainian and anti-russian, taking into account that 20% of their territory is temporarily occupied, but unfortunately the government is what it is and it resorts to such things, it really hurts to look at this person, it doesn't matter what she has done. she definitely didn't do that they behaved unhumanly and according to the demands of ukraine and our partners, they are absolutely legitimate and of course there should have been a certain reaction. and by the way, i really liked kyiv's move, which on the one hand summoned the georgian ambassador. in fact, it was a march, they showed dissatisfaction on the other hand , by actually offering him 48 hours to go to tbilisi for a consultation, they actually took away the possibility of a counter-

attack from the georgian. an indefinite term is an indicator that the relationship is almost on the verge of breaking diplomatic relations, and therefore it seems to me that it was done very correctly , since unfortunately we do not have any tools to influence this process more than we can. well, of course, what do we have again any fault of this person, but he definitely does not deserve to be killed slowly. thank you, mr. oleksandr. this was oleksandr hara, diplomats , foreign and security policy issues, center of defense strategies, friends, we work in live broadcast of the espresso tv channel also on our youtube and facebook platforms for those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook like this video subscribe to our social networks well you can become a sponsor of the espresso channel now we will show you the qr code by clicking on

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that were supposed to be printed, in what way do you think the state should act here, i.e. evict or not evict these monks, in what way to use force and show that in ukraine there is still a state and the government power institutions and the decisions of these power institutions must be implemented, well, look, the decisions must be implemented when these decisions are fully in line with the law, international conventions, the practice of the european court of human rights, it is obvious that there are no moscow monks not only in the kyiv-pechersk lavra, but also in pochaev, in all other churches, and that is why my colleagues and i submitted bill 8221, which prohibits the activities of the russian church in ukraine, given that it poses a threat to national security and there is no other way to limit its influence of this church, in addition to adopting this law, we know that there is also a government bill that is much weaker and will again drag all these stories into the courts

for several years, but even this government bill does not want to be adopted by the council. it is precisely because all this is decided in the courts it takes a long time to decide, this gives the moscow popes every reason to speculate and show the ukrainian state as weak and unable to protect the national security of ukraine from the influence of the activities of the moscow church. it seems to me that unfortunately the representatives of the ukrainian state went down the wrong path, having absolutely positive wishes to limit the influence of the russian church, but not you can do this in pieces by cutting off the tail bluntly in parts, because the cat squeals a lot and many people get the impression that there is some pressure on the activity of this church. but if this church is actually a representative of the aggressor country, a branch of the russian army, and its leader is sanctioned, then its activity is certainly undesirable , therefore, from my point of view, it is all either an imitation by the government of its activity, and this is very bad, because when people see that during the war

the authorities are weak. they begin to doubt themselves , or indeed the authorities lack legal and correct steps to resolve this, one way or another , it looks shameful, and there cannot be these russian priests, instead, if they really renounced the influence of the russian church ties with moscow, then they could continue to serve or they would also go to the ptu , but for now, as we see, they are not going to do it. you have already mentioned your draft law, which you are the author of, on ensuring the strengthening of national security in the sphere of freedom of conscience and the activities of religious organizations that we foresee actually banning the activity of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, and was there any reaction of the authorities to this bill because well , when the authorities need it, they can pass this bill very quickly considering on the fact that the majority in the verkhovna rada is pro-government and the president can eventually help in this process or have there been

at least some steps in this direction, well, first of all , among the authors of this bill, besides me, there are many representatives of the pro-government faction, this is an inter-factional bill, it is a party bill it was signed by many people's deputies , despite the fact that there was an order for the president to draft the kapin draft law on december 1. i criticize him, but despite the fact that i criticize him, i would vote for him. well, for him. by the way, even the moscow church would vote, because at the all-ukrainian council of churches, she supported this bill knowing that it would not have any serious consequences for her, but even in spite of this the support of the russian church itself, he did not bring it to the hall, because in general, there are very many, and where this church is, in particular, in the provlat faction , but not only among them, they are not ready to vote , and because of that, the authorities should bring it to the hall, because these

people are not ready to vote for it in this with my point is a very big problem, obviously the president should understand this situation, uh, meet with the authors of two draft laws , one author, the cabinet of ministers, as i already said , initiated by the ministry of justice, the other author , a group of people's deputies, should meet with a group of these deputies to hear different points of view and we optimally, we should find a way out of this situation so that the state is not so ashamed as it is happening now, but so far nothing like that is happening, that is, the current government, i understand that it is going to rely on the leadership of the moscow church because we understand there are many parishes in the branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine. well, according to the survey of the rumzkov center in may 2023, 45.8% of respondents answered the question: can the state interfere in church affairs up to the liquidation of one or another church structure? yes, but

in exceptional cases, for example, when the street of national security, that is, it turns out that 54% are against the state interfering even in exceptional cases, how do you explain these figures , why do people who understand that the russian orthodox church blesses the army the russian army to kill ukrainians, ukrainians themselves believe that this church cannot be banned as such, which acts against the national interests of ukraine. well, you know, i see various polls, i see polls that almost 80% of ukrainians believe that the activities of the russian church in ukraine have be prohibited and as a rule there are several gradations in polls. therefore, even in this poll, this does not mean at all that the majority is against.

of the russian church in ukraine and this church, which is so to speak, i am in unity with it. if this unity is broken, then it will continue to work calmly in ukraine, and i also support it. because we really have freedom of conscience, but it does not break this unity and continues to be a tool of the russian aggressor, that's the whole problem, i don't think that the government wants to ask about this electorate now. i think that they relied on it when they went to the elections, and what do we mean by the government? i mean a large part of the deputies from the faction not a servant of the people the majority, but a significant part. and this is exactly the part that relied, they now do not want to vote for it, the cultural policy of mr. mykola is also part of our security. especially during the war, and it is obvious that we are talking about broader powers and broader activities of the ministry of culture and information policy during the war, because it is also a separate front, how is the ministry of culture dealing with this now according to your opinion, and how do you feel about

the fact that the community signed an appeal to shmygel regarding the resignation of the minister of culture and information policy oleksandr tkachenko and shmygal well, he did not accept this petition and said that in principle there is nothing to talk about yet. well, you see. unfortunately, the ukrainian parliament does not currently have the practice of listening to the cabinet of ministers and members of the cabinet of ministers , because what to add to the monument of other ministers who to mr. shmigel has a lot of different questions and i would like to hear the answers to them in the parliament, why such a number of ukrainian works of art were exported, why such a number was destroyed, how should we restore all this, how many were destroyed in general, for example monuments of the history of the same scythian mounds, how many museums have been destroyed , well, the ministry sometimes talks about it, but calmly and there was no conversation with the deputies on this topic, and it is extremely necessary because it is

part of our heritage that should become the basis of our future and should become part of the recorded crimes committed by the russian pantheon on ukrainian territory. obviously , all this has not been done. when we talk about how ukrainian culture is supported now , there are also a lot of questions. i am not inclined to immediately blame everything on tkachenko himself from a very simple situation, because i do not believe that if tkachenko is removed, someone better will be appointed, this does not mean that i do not support the resignation . i support the resignation of the entire cabinet of ministers. to them well, even the last initiative of the president about the english language, when the ukrainian translation is completely prohibited in the draft law, is the initiative of the president, but this project could not be prepared without a general agreement, so

how could the ministry of culture issue the same type of project i just don't have the input in my head, so there are obviously a lot of questions for the ministry of culture and the ministry . well, you mentioned this bill on the use of the english language in ukraine, which was submitted by the president of ukraine, and i will tell our viewers that this bill provides for the official establishment of the status of english as one of the conditions of international communication in ukraine, but there is a rule according to which from 2027, in ukrainian cinemas, all english-language films will be shown in the original language with with ukrainian subtitles, and these shares will increase and increase until the 27th year, that is, at first it will be 50% in 2025-2026-75 in 2027 all 100%.

does this mean, mykola, that the ukrainian dubbing, which, by the way, was so actively protested by those who wanted to watch russian dubbed films and said that it would be a disaster, this is inside, if i am not mistaken, in 2006, 2007, and they talked about how you can watch movies with ukrainian dubbing. does this mean that if this is passed into law, then the whole system is just dubbing and all the dubbing that we enjoy in cinemas will simply disappear. well, that's what it means, but even the representatives of the pro-government faction. i saw the statement yevgenia kravchuk agrees that this rule has many flaws and should be revised, you just have to remember how dubbing came about, after all, it's a soviet tradition in the soviet union, all films were dubbed , why, so that they could be censored, so that they could not be translated, the government also does not like me, i grew up in lviv and we watched polish television from childhood

they put special antennas on the roof then there were no satellite dishes and in poland dubbing was very rare, it was children’s, it was definitely used as a rule, but one voice was used in the back, but there was the voice of the original or titra and it was called a voiceover eh, that is, movies were translated with one voice eh- but the situation in poland is different than in ukraine, because in ukraine, which was russified to a large extent, going to the cinema became a school in the ukrainian language, especially in the east and in the south of ukraine. people there on the streets heard a lot of russian, they hardly heard ukrainian, but when they went to the movies, they studied ukrainian, and considering that ukrainian actors were extremely talented, president zelenskyi, by the way, also , by the way , the bear and paddington . people liked it very much, the children got used to it. well, in general, children's films everywhere in the world, uh, i translate this one, are duplicated. at the same time, i understand those people who want to see the wonderful

performance of the actors and listen to what they say in the original, but for this it is not necessary to ban ukrainian dubbing, you understand, it's just enough to allow some sansa to be given in the original and with ukrainian subtitling when we talk about the english language and it would be quite obvious that the question also arises why are we only talking about movies let's not translate computer programs let's not translate games why are we television in television , let's not translate anything there, because it covers a very small part of the audience. we have very few credits. many people go to the cinema at all . once a year, but they never go at all. that is, we will actually kill the dubbing industry, those people who want to learn the ukrainian language, we will deprive them of such an opportunity and we will slowly kill our film business, because people will not want to watch films without translation, they are simply not used to it, so i would of course allow dubbing in the film without prohibiting dubbing - at certain sessions there at festivals

, uh, creating certain sessions for those who want to learn the language. i obviously don’t see anything wrong with this, but it will not allow you to learn the language to the end if only this tool is used. and if ukrainian is banned dubbing will obviously affect the development of the ukrainian language and the ukrainian film industry. well, as your colleague in the parliament, volodymyr vyatrovych, and a historian, says. he says that this will lead to the fact that people will start watching these films in russian dubbing on the internet. says this is anti-constitutional savagery because the ban on showing films in the ukrainian language in ukraine will be contrary to the basic law . ott platforms, which are called and watch a movie in russian, and if a person does not find his favorite movie in ukrainian , and for example, he has bad eyesight or does not want

to read, he is used, like most ukrainians , to hearing high-quality dubbing, especially in those regions where colonization was carried out more . obviously, they will watch it's all in russian, i.e. not in english , english won't help, it will spread the russian language further, killing the spread of ukrainians. are they now inclined to support the initiators of this bill, led by the president? well to listen to what the opposition is saying, what are you saying, you, uh, because we see that where the draft laws have been approved, in principle , they are pressuring and saying that it should be according to their opinion, and they do not listen to the positions and voices of the opposition there. well, they as a rule, they don't vote for those laws, they don't pass them even in the tough laws submitted by the opposition, this has never happened to the parliament, but there have been many cases when they simply rewrite them and submit them as their own, and we vote for them, because authorship is not so important to us. although of course it looks pathetic

how can the ideas that are included in the laws be adopted, so even here after the opposition began to criticize the law, many representatives of the pro-government faction, i named some of them, well, they themselves said that this law needs improvement, everyone agrees with this, so we will only be happy if our criticism constructive criticism will lead to a useful result until now p. mykola in the verkhovna rada, the parliamentary committee on freedom of speech is headed by nestor shufrych, and a lot of questions arise about why he remains the chairman of the parliamentary committee committee, is the verkhovna rada currently considering the issue of removing from the positions of leadership positions in the parliament the representatives of the polish people's party of the people's party of the people's party of the people's republic of poland, a banned party, the deputies were elected from the people's party of the people's republic of china, a logical question arises if the party is banned, why do their representatives lead committees, especially such important ones as freedom of speech, you know this is such a relatively important committee because

our humanitarian committee responds to all issues of mass media activity, and even from the third we approved whether anyone saw any activity, the effect of the activity of the committee with issues of freedom of speech, i generally do not understand why such a committee exists if freedom of speech can be taken care of by our committee on humanitarian policy, but since it exists , it is obvious that the fact that it is headed by a representative of e-e opzzh - it looks like an evil irony, because it is the same with others committees where they hold leadership positions, our faction submitted several resolutions to the effect that uh, different resolutions to stop their parliamentary activity altogether in order to deprive them of the leadership positions in the committees. unfortunately, these the resolutions were not considered in the parliament, but it would be honest and fair, the legislation would definitely correspond . thank you, mr. mykola, for the conversation. it was mykola knyazhytskyi, people 's deputy of ukraine. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel and also from our

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