tv [untitled] July 4, 2023 9:00pm-9:31pm EEST
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[000:00:00;00] in the next program we will talk about the situation at the front well, of course, about the situation at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant thank you all take care of yourself and your relatives goodbye, the international center for prosecution for crimes of aggression against ukraine has been opened, will it help to punish moscow for the unleashed war this is bbc ukraine me my name is olga palamaryuk, now let's move on to gaga, a report from the front line bbc correspondent andrew harding came along the front line and filmed one of the most dangerous consequences of this war mined fields, mined roads, evidence of the use of anti-personnel mines, which are prohibited by international treaties , which continue to maim and take the lives of ukrainians both on the front line and in the liberated
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territories, a month of initially active contour offensive actions of the armed forces of ukraine , the attention of the whole world, without exaggeration, is currently focused on the precipitation on the front, the offensive of the ukrainian army goes to the south and east , the ministry of defense says. only in the past week it was possible to free more than 30 m² of territory in the eastern directions, more than 28 of it on the southern russian army at the same time learns from mistakes and improves its tactics, this is what the intelligence of britain writes about it, and it seems that now they are betting on the use of landmine tactics, as analysts claim, the density of variable fields in some areas indicates that the russian troops used much more mines than is foreseen by their military doctrine, how ukrainian soldiers manage to advance in such conditions
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, bbc correspondent andrew harding reports from the front line, we spent the last few weeks in the east of ukraine in various areas front and it is becoming more and more obvious that ukrainian soldiers , most of whom are infantrymen, are suffering in russian minefields . we have seen injured people, we have heard many stories . these are mines so we got to the southeastern front line and began our report from a recently liberated ukrainian village, we cross a rickety pontoon bridge in the direction of the southern front all around the landscape is covered in artillery and rocket fire. now
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the ukrainian troops who are fighting for the return of their territory face another danger, russian mines, they are everywhere, there is a moonstone, the soldiers came across another mine on the side of the road. this is a mine that they just found and it is still active. when we retreated, sappers cautiously approached to defuse the mine, he says, a man can injure 30-40 people, everything here is mined, dmytro says , mines scare him the most this week two of his more inexperienced comrades were wounded and each of them lost a leg. grim footage from a drone showing how a ukrainian unit was trapped by russian mines . medics are already helping several wounded . then one soldier steps on another mine
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, but he somehow manages to get to a safer place yes, they give you, you have to be very careful here, where we walk along the front line, there are many russian mines left , whole hectares of fields mined by the russians, and it is because of these mines that the ukrainians say it is difficult for them to make a strategic breakthrough is necessary in order to change the course of this war, it is prohibited by conventions, a ukrainian sapper shows details of russian devices that he neutralized, both sides accuse each other of using prohibited anti-personnel mines in his bunker, the ukrainian commander says that the counteroffensive is advancing, but slowly we simply destroyed them because unlike the russians, ukrainians are trying to minimize their losses - says serhii
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tyshchenko but can a ukrainian breakthrough be the inevitable intercepted radio signal indicates the collapse of the morale of the russians, fifty soldiers in tekly, the russian says for the ukrainian forces, every step forward is a risk , but despite this, they are advancing through the minefield and filming this video, liberating their country, trench by trench, field by field , one thing we have repeatedly heard from of many ukrainian soldiers , be patient, do not rush to assess how the current counteroffensive will work, it is still at an early stage , and ukraine has yet to receive the largest supplies
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of ammunition and western weapons. and although there are mines a problem and will remain a problem for ukrainians for a long time, i think that now it is necessary to persevere in the battles, no one really expects a sudden quick breakthrough, despite the fact that there is still a lot of optimism from the ukrainian side , the international center for the investigation of crimes in russia against ukraine has started work, this is the first step towards the creation of a special tribunal 20 prosecutors from ukraine are part of the center, there is the united states and the international criminal court, and it is important that russia's aggression will be considered starting in 2014 , prosecutors must collect evidence, testimony in a single base about missile strikes, attacks in the air, on land, in the water, about blocking ports , and that the main thing is to prove the connection between these crimes and establish those who are behind it , that is, the people who make relevant decisions in russia and the opening of the gas center - this is a unique precedent, because
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so far in history, there have been no similar cases, it was not that the international investigation continued directly during the aggression and not after the end of the war , for example at the end of the second world war , will the prosecutors manage to put everything together and , most importantly, will they bring the case to the end with their own british lawyer philip shared his thoughts on the bbc broadcast, the meaning of creating an institution with such powers that will investigate and collect information on crimes of aggression , this is the first time since 1945, the crime of aggression is the introduction of a clearly illegal war, before it was called crimes against peace then it seemed to slip away from some states were not very supportive of it due to concerns that it would be used against them but in the context of russia's war in ukraine, the war is clearly illegal and now
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this talk of creating a tribunal is not the tribunal is an attempt to gather evidence that can later help. there is international law for international crimes and the international criminal court has jurisdiction over three of them: war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. for a number of technical reasons, the court does not have the competence to investigate the crime of aggression we are talking about and the crime of aggression is especially since this is the only criminal of the four that concerns the crimes of the country's leadership, this means that soldiers on the battlefield cannot be accused of the crime of aggression, there are a handful of people who participated in the decision to start a war and continue it is very easy to prove in relation to putin, lavrov shoigu, in relation to a larger circle of fsb heads of intelligence, military headquarters or finances , it is more difficult to find out who was involved and what they did, but this is the goal of this
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newly created center nataliya humenyuk greetings natalya you write a lot about war crimes, in particular, for the western press. that's why it's necessary to talk about it, and the main thing is whether the western audience is ready to listen. i also work as a co-head of the dragoning project in ukrainian, we call it the witness of ukraine, who actually publishes journalistic materials based on candles, only those persons who were direct witnesses of potential war crimes, crimes against humanity or others, and we have been doing this since the first day, but at this stage , while we we live in the world of media and we work and cooperate with lawyers and analysts , even they agree that international cases are opened only when there is pressure from the public
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and only if there is coverage in the media in such cases and if i have support, there is a greater willingness, in particular international prosecutors to open these crimes, that's why we are just uniting lawyers and journalists, we see that journalists are usually upset that their work goes nowhere and there is always a lack of this e-e support and uniting it and when i write also understanding that it is verified verified data, they are more reliable than ordinary journalistic work , because we are no longer working with tragic situations, with some uh, difficulties, or with the grief that war brings, but with potential crimes. to ask in general how it works, what is the role of journalists in this cooperation, yes, because journalists are not investigators, it is actually easier
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than it seemed, journalists are not investigators, but we call them that, you know, the first people who arrive at the scene of a crime, like firefighters , let's say journalists, before human rights defenders, before prosecutors it often happens , but their information often does not go anywhere except for the media site, although it can be very important evidence, secondly, we are also very worried about the people who survived it is a tragic experience and it is not recommended for them to say the same thing many times, especially about the trauma they experienced, therefore we as journalists have a certain methodology in which we very carefully communicate with direct witnesses, but in addition we verify this data and ask many more questions, i.e. those questions that in fact could reconstruct the event, that is, the number of questions that will fill in the gaps that the investigator calculates later and
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then preparing analytical reports and even materials, we have much more we understand that this is what, in the terminology, is called a journalistic comment, so there is no such thing as a comment. but if it is recorded correctly . ukrainian processes and international ones, and we now see a request from ukrainian law enforcement agencies, in particular, that they understand that with this number of open proceedings, and this is more than 90,000, they do not have time, well, that is, recorded proceedings that are not even open recorded crimes, there is no other option than to receive information from journalists, moreover, people are sometimes more willing to talk to the media than to law enforcement officers. and
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how much information from testimonies have journalists already managed to collect? er, you understand that it is open that a high-profile crime based on one testimony, in our case, we are talking about hundreds of uh, but it is important for us uh, what we call establishing certain patterns , analyzing, understanding the actions of the russian army you understand that it's not simple well, some commander there did something wrong and that there is a systemic action and let's say torture torture in the kherson region is very similar to cats and torture in the kharkiv region that the shelling of the kramator of kremenchuk in the supermarket last year was made similar with weapons, as well as the shelling of a house in dnipro in dnipro in january of this year, and these very systemic things are deep. they can point to er, well, they can help the investigation a lot, so it is really about a large amount, but
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it is the quality of such and such information that is very important which can be and can be used. yes, thank you natalya. unfortunately, we have to end our conversation , the head of the public interest journalism laboratory, natalie humenyuk , was on our air, we talked about war crimes and whether journalists can become a link between the coverage of the truth and justice. well, that's all for today. search for stories on our website bbc.ua on our pages in social networks we are on the air again tomorrow as usual at 21:00 all the best and berezhit seba i discounts on exoderil cream 20% in pharmacies
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slow down the advance of the ukrainian forces at the front, we will discuss crossing the dnieper in a few minutes, now it is quite real in zaporizhzhia, namely in that part of the river from where water once entered the destroyed kakhov reservoir, the dnieper was changed and other consequences of the destruction of the hydroelectric power station will be shown literally in a minute well, the foreign ministry summoned the georgian ambassador to ukraine for a conversation through state of the prisoner mykhailo saakashvili, the georgian post was offered to return to tbilisi, and volodymyr zelenskyi said that russia is killing a citizen of ukraine with the hands of the georgian authorities, what fate awaits in we talk about georgia on saakashvili today in svoboda life and the dnipro, now it is quite real in zaporizhzhia
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, in the part of the river where water used to enter the destroyed kakhov reservoir, now there is no water from the banks of khortytsia . in previously inaccessible areas, the consequences of the destruction of the hydroelectric power station were seen by svoboda radio correspondent yevheniya nazarova . this is the largest oak island, there are three stacks of rocks, they have always been there open, but they looked exactly like rocks sticking out of the water when the water level dropped, you can get there to these islands on foot. well, on a day off, when there was a significant drop in the water level, because it fluctuates in our country, it is a pike of the dnipro river, there were about 40 people who, as pilgrims went to these islands because they wanted to see something there, to touch the history, i don’t know which ones are being persecuted, but they were going there . well, we would live not far from here, and that’s why
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it became interesting. i want to know how the runny nose went away. yes, i have been going here with my family since childhood and when i found out that the kakhova hydroelectric power station was blown up, i came here and saw it, it is full. i don’t know what other words to choose here, but i have never seen this. what was under the water is not there now, but i want everything to return as it was. before that, it was as beautiful as the maldives, but i don’t know how it was. besides, it’s very sad, to be honest. well, we hope that everything will return to the way it was and everything will be fine. of national significance the dnipro password is an object of a nature reserve fund, we have colonies
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of waterfowl nesting on these rocks, but in addition to the fact that this is the territory of the reserve fund , there is currently a ban on the military administration visiting the coast. birds, the military administration bans such e-e trips, they pose a danger to the visitors themselves why because the water level is constantly it is changing and there have already been cases when people went to these islands, then due to the work of dniprogress
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, the water level rose again and they could not get out of there by themselves. like this broadcast and support support our work in this way the youtube algorithm works in this way what the more likes , the more people learn about us well, then we move on to the events at the front and in particular on andrii illenko, an officer of the freedom battalion of the national guard of ukraine, joins the bakhmut direction. good evening, fourth brigade of the foreign national guard. greetings, andrii. well, first, here is who the direction is and how it has changed since wagner's mercenaries left there. the situation is that there are heavy battles. it is quite difficult to comment on this day by day, because first of all, there is no need to do this, and secondly, in principle, anyone can go to the deep state map and see the general
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picture, which is delayed by a day and a half ah, there are heavy battles going on where the war is, the enemy is suffering losses, actually, hmm, if we talk about what is happening here, in particular, in general, on the eastern front in donetsk region, there are intense , very intense battles. that is, it is a positional war where there is a fight for every landing for each stronghold, for each trench, with the use of all available equipment , with the use of aviation, in particular, i can say about our freedom battalion, about our fourth brigade of the national guard, several times a very massive attack was carried out on our positions an assault using armored vehicles using tanks, but these assaults were repulsed with great losses for the enemy, the enemy lost equipment in the mountains, lost personnel and had to retreat. that is, it is a counter
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-battery fight, when calculated thanks to the skill of our aerial reconnaissance , the positions of enemy artillery are calculated, which are trying to pester us, and are applied there point strikes by our gunners, who take not the number of shots but the accuracy and destroy the enemy's fire calculations, and this is such a serious war of intelligence that is, you have to calculate the enemy's steps, you have to carry out excellent intelligence, you have to, as they say, not to burn, not to burn your positions, not to give the enemy opportunities to quickly recognize them, you have to maneuver. that is , this is the daily mechanics of a harsh war that europe has not seen since 45 a if we talk specifically about the east, you have now used the word enemy many times. and who now represents the russian troops in the east
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, again after the wagnerians left there, they are some experienced military men who these are units. what can you say? these are very different units. that is, they are also different mercenaries, because not only wagner is a mercenary structure. they have other mercenaries who were formed, plus or minus, according to a similar methodology as wagner, especially in the context rekorting of prisoners eh these are regular russian troops eh these are eh units of the so-called eh sub-republics of the dnr of the lnr and so on. that is , these are very different units and they are used differently, that is, if you are faced with eh well directly yes ot hm your direct enemy on your front line for example, there is some lpr, this does not mean at all that they will be there all the time
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or that they will not use any other units , that is, they can, for example, just hold a line of trenches there with just infantry, yes, the attached artillery and, for example, they will use tanks from some other units can form a separate company or battalion group from different units there and send them into battle in a specific area , that is, even if the situation is like this today, it does not mean that it will be the same tomorrow it’s so constant, that’s the carousel, it’s true, and they are different, of course, that is, they differ in the type of combat capability where there are more of these mobilized. of course, their combat capability is lower where there are more hmm experienced personnel, although relatively experienced . of course, their combat capability is greater, but in general, it’s still if we talk about morale, of course here they are categorically inferior to the ukrainians because
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the morale of the ukrainians is three heads higher because everyone understands what they are fighting for . now the goal of both sides is clear that the ukrainian forces are trying to liberate their territories . and what are the russians doing? they just took up positions and are defending there in the positions that were already occupied by them before , or are they trying to go on the offensive in some specific directions. in fact, in the same way, somewhere they can simply stand on deaf defense, and somewhere they can try to conduct offensive actions. and actually, i am saying that specifically against our positions, there have already been at least two attempts of a fairly large-scale offensive , and it was clearly an offensive not aimed there to occupy one or two positions, or to capture one or the other. this was
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a direct attempt at at least a tactical breakthrough, because the force was actually drawn up at the level of a reinforced tank company. this is quite serious on a rather narrow stretch of the front in the conditions of the current war. serious, this means that it was at least a certain tactical maneuver, a tactical breakthrough was being prepared. well, they did not succeed , but this suggests that, well, you should not think that today the enemy is only defending, that is, in some yes, in some areas of the front he stands in the dead of defense on some, he tries to counterattack, it all changes very dynamically from area to area and, actually, there is a kind of global strategic game in this, because of course we concentrate on certain areas where we are advancing and where the general staff is - this was determined at the same time that they are pulling us somewhere against others in order that accordingly, we
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should have kept some troops there, we should have responded to this and so on. an offensive, the enemy can counterattack even in the area where you are attacking, and vice versa, when you are defending, you also counterattack from time to time, that's why everything is very dynamic , andrei, you must have read the western press, and there you can often hear that in the west they expected that the offensive would be operational and effective effective, and we even saw the answer of valery zaluzhnyi . he said that these theses annoy him. and tell me how you perceive these expectations of the event. if we talk about expectations, then it is worth talking about what the ukrainian side expects us to now we are already talking about weapons, what kind of weapons do you lack in your battalion, or those military personnel who are next to you? well, it is possible to make a faster counterattack if
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