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wallet and informed means armed see the economic news project with andrii janitskiy on weekdays at 8:10 a.m. on espresso, the worldview program continues with us as guests in the studio of oleksandr zelenskyi and dmytro popov , vasyl was busy with me, i remind you, we are talking about the horrors of conspiracy theory and conspiracy theories. did you not listen to the video of how they explained the events of the war in general, these moments are the so-called dreadlocks of putin, er, conspiracy theories, biden, the anglo-saxons and these other other other things, and then a question arises and which one should be answered . france can have its own spain has its own somewhere else. we are talking now about the conspiracies of the uncles who are in ukraine , who are trying to explain why there is a war in us, why it is worth ending embracing my brothers, the russians, and opposing slavic unity against world capitalism, although some slavic

childhood, if we have seen it here all the peoples of the world can be from the buryats to the mayor's office of chuh or so on and where are the slavs ? it's hard for me to explain, but that's what mr. oleksandr spoke about last time, if i'm not mistaken, so now the question is who do you think comes up with these theories conspiracies right now for ukraine, only russia or not, you know, i will answer your question . well, first of all, i want to say that now paying banks to grandmothers has demonstrated two, two, two, very effective tools of propaganda the first propaganda of the first tool - this is a big lie, and it is that people on the screen speak without appeal, but very confidently . and what

these old women were saying was exactly what they were saying kiselyov on his show, solovyov on his show and even shoigu, who also spoke about the fact that if putin and our armed forces were not enlightened, everything would be ok. uh, the circus in rostovia and voronezh without a fight, uh, that is, all this they say is not true. in general, and the fact that putin is uh, here, the star who saved everything, no, that is, lukashenko was saved, for sure, if he really saved something there , and uh, one and a half of this is of course, propaganda is not theoretical, but about the one who writes this to them temniki and who gives this script, because it is so, it can be a conspiracy theory. well, i see here only the russian special services. that is, it

is in their interests to provide this information and in general, all the coverage of any events in ukraine or in russia, which is connected with this war, is it in the interests of the special services of russia and , among them, the leadership of the special services, it can be the fsb, the svr, and the gur, it can be either together or individually, on the behavior of alone , that's why i only see it this way, and whether or not putin himself participates in this i'm sure not because, well, in general, i'm a supporter of putin's views that there are several, and i can prove it, and the fact that putin is very fond of aloof, can i say a few words, why are there a few of them, except for some possible physiognomic differences in the cinema of 2014

and physiognomic ones? that is, there is really no distance on the face, that is, the structure of the human skull , which distinguishes it from one another, now i count three e-path columns and one bunker bunker teiki, which are considered the main and not my behavior, the main clone yes, i do. i also think that he is not the same putin who came to power in 2000. that is, he is a teshklon, but he is considered the main one, that is, he is the same bunker, that is, and where the main one is not known. conspiracy i understand that there is a collective putin , which may include the kovalchuks of the patrushevs, er, and anyone else, whom we don’t even know, that is, this cooperative lake, which is being propagated, could be them, well, this is actually now this conspiracy and er of

he does not accept putin because he is generally trying to distance himself, why is this what his closest associate said in the past - this is pugachev, there is such a businessman who accepted french citizenship, refused his russian player, he was putin's neighbor for a long time and, er, communicated very closely with him yes, the main manner of putin's behavior is to withdraw from decision-making in order for someone else to take it and implement it. and then if it goes well, putin will be partial to it, that is, putin will be cut bonuses from this and if it is because everything will be bad there, then the one who made the decision will be responsible, that is, such a good position well, it is clearly not a considered or plasticine position of the ruler of russia and the ruler of the second country and the second army in the world, you know. he made the biggest mistake when

he said in a video message, i made a decision to start a special military operation , he will not go anywhere, everything will end like this and it will end. opinion well, you can express your opinion about putin. by the way, if you have your own opinion on this matter, because now there is also no shortage of conspiracy theories. so who really comes up with these theories, and again, here is what comes up. one thing is that the ukrainian segments are full of them. tok facebook well, if you watch a short video, it's on youtube, it's enough here in our territory of our country, this video is just a lot of it, i'm watching it like, well, i have a fact , military, as a military psychologist, as a journalist, and i'm interested, and that is, my brain sometimes i can’t stand it, i understand what’s going on in the heads of people who are not ready for such information. in your opinion, why is there so much of this now in ukraine, and again? well , it’s possible that our

relevant services are underperforming somewhere, or can’t the multiplication of these theories be stopped? uh, these information carriers, please, on digitalina full, you can stop all this is done, but i will tell you. now , this is such a banal trivial thing, everyone does it at school, here i am when i teach at military psychologists. sometimes i show them such an example, oh well americans, enough is enough patriotically highly-patriotic nation eh in the national high level of nationalism everything is fine eh and here i give them an example 2 films by the way today is the independence day of the united states and they have such a fantastic film action movie of good quality independence day as under under the leadership of the american president

, the united forces of the planet earth were able to defeat the invasion of aliens and that is a moment that is very clear to the americans and which when you show it to our uh, even cadet psychologists, they are immediately shocked because they are not they pay attention to it, there is a moment when the already old former president of the united states sits at the helm of the plane to lead the last attack of humanity against the enemy of his daughter, who is next to him in another plane, even so, dad, you have already saved the planet once, i guess the president of the united states is enough for you in this, at the peak of the patriotic spirit, he says , i am not saving humanity, i am here for you, this is the highest level

of understanding. why do i need all this and the second film , well, with such an eloquent title, the patriot, probably everyone has seen it. was gibson there or not? yes, definitely a little gipson and here you are, the beginning of the whole film is shown as a farmer wanted to spit, a local yes, a special forces officer well, a veteran , everything is fine, everyone around is surrounded by such a patriotic urge to fight for independence, and he says, i have a family, and wait, i wanted your independence and his to act, his sons are ashamed of him but father well, how can you all in the church, everyone is ready to go, he says, and i have children, i have a family, i have a household , i have no patriotism, and only when

his son dies and he has is his own interest conscious understandable adult why will he fight for his ukraine after that moment he becomes the main character in the speech the whole film is dedicated to not impulsiveness not agitation not propaganda but an adult choice here i will give one more example i used to study in higher school at the academy in moscow explained to us why the soviet special services in the sixties stopped murders disguised as suicides in europe, the solution turned out to be very simple, there are three absolute

human values: life, freedom and property on this and the third always too. cadets and students say wow, they already do, and that's why if a person is killed , it's perfect to stage a suicide, it's absolutely perfect , the police come, it doesn't matter which spanish , french, british, and looks, but there is a will, there is no will. all this is murder and then nothing else is needed. if a person disrespected the property component, then he died not of his own free will. this is the difference. the rubicon is the mature adult peoples and the society of which you can uh , well, let's get rid of any idea of ​​managing

infantiles, but we'll insure such children it is very easy to give them a bright picture. the main thing is that the picture is simple, bright, highly emotional, and they run to karl the dense jung, the founder of analytical psychology, there is a phrase like this: 10,000 nobel laureates in a crowd will behave in exactly the same way as 10,000 idiots in a group in a crowd, an individual the level of intelligence and development of meaning is no longer there , collective archetypes are turned on, collective behavior covers a person, a specific emotional state and everything, and we already have a particle in front of us, the more these particles, the bigger the person conducts er in demonstrations in rallies in some general such gatherings the more

er glamorous glamorous music sounds the more bright er flags and everything else the more we gradually lower it in the age plan and in the end there appears before us a child and how 3-5 years old well, let's remember how happy we were at 3-5 years old with one hand mom with the other dad we don't have a passport we don't have money we don't have responsibility we're just happy there is someone who has all these things and no one cares about me. the main thing is to obey mom and dad loved, and in order for mom and dad to love, you need to do a simple thing , fulfill their incomprehensible and you don't need to understand why the child needs to understand that there, for example, you need

to sleep during the day or you can't eat only sweets and you need to eat soup sometimes, just do what mom says with dad and you will be happy, that's why special services don't work here, state machines and state mechanisms work here , and society has to go through a very big evolution. there is an understanding that i am and as a question i need it and why do i need it, oh, to the stupidest person in life, i will always say to students, cadets, the stupidest questions why is the most important question why? when we reformat any question, why do so many things fall into

place i want mr. dmytro to react because i see that mr. dmytro disagreed somewhere with oleksandr's tone or not. did it seem to me? no, really, regarding infantilism with a colleague . i am completely in solidarity. i i did not take such a deep part in the revolution of dignity. but i still visited the maidan, and there were also a lot of bright flags , a lot of such events that can be commented on . the idea of ​​independence, the idea that corrupt people should be removed from power. this was an accepted idea, and it was not a specialty. that is, for the russians , it is probably now, but for the ukrainians on the

independence square. this was the harsh truth. this is the only thing i have to say against that. said colleague, and in other respects i am in solidarity with him, i see in the comments people write and say that france has woken up, germany is the next, the next conspiracy theory, protests in france, listen , the person did not stop at the request of the police, the police opened fire, the person died. it was a teenager. well, i understand that from the nordic countries africa, this is a tragedy , so what happened, listen, this is a protest against what the police did, people are kicking an expensive branded shoe store in strasbourg and taking away the shoes, what is the purpose of protests against what what happened to that teenager over there or was it a young man who was killed that's why it's just mass protests that started i'm eating my mistakes in france but again now conspiracy theories that there's an awakening going on why wake up germany in germany one of the highest gdps in europe

people get the highest salary, what makes germany have to wake up because there are many migrants, they are not satisfied with everything well, that's another question but again, everyone should wake up to the russian capital, why did they wake up, there are no toilets on the street, they don't have, er, 300,000 those killed in the war were unjustly unleashed by putin, so there's no need to dream about it. but again, well, you see, such a theory is already appearing, so just give me something , please, don't forget about it, because in a minute , the book was put on crowd psychology is a table book by stalin. besides, lenin and what is happening in france and germany is a classic communist model, when the lumbanized e-e garbage get our things, we have them, they have never studied and they will not study, they will never work, you them never force to work this one is like that. well, it's distilled, that's what you said. it smells and looks absolutely

uniform, and it's pumped for real, and there 's no such thing as conspiracy theories. when they're paid from two to five thousand dollars, by the way. through the structures of the moscow patriarchate and some structures of the catholic church affiliated with it so that they go to specific cities of specific countries and special funds that accumulate them. you mean so so heads that they sit so that there is a specific number of tens of hundreds thousands to a specific place, then they are set on fire and so on. even what happened several years ago . i think i think this will be the topic of our next program. dmytro popov, candidate of psychological

sciences, ex-employee of the security service of ukraine, was in touch with us, and oleksandr zavankoku, associate professor of the department of psychology of the kyiv national university, talked about conspiracy theories. i think we will continue this topic again. after all, we didn't have time to talk about the psychology of masleybon. take it and read it. you will like it very much, and once again, remember one simple thing when they call you and ask you to name three numbers of your card, this is not true. the question is not why, the main question is why, always ask yourself the question why, and maybe life will turn around for you in a slightly different real way . to come to their senses after this institution prigozhina continues to tell and the more they tell all interesting things, the more they try to scare the russian public

, the more they actually talk about the essence of what is generally happening in russia, for example , interestingly told in your nightingale about what what happens in a city when the russian army stands there for too long , what could have happened there literally a day later, if all this had not ended, you can imagine that people with weapons are coming out, i am not even a provocateur, dear. i'm talking about who was on the territory of the city, about the prisoners, the former and the not-yet-convicted prisoners, who organized a looting for you, who would go through the private sector, literally robbing , robbing, hiding houses, further opening apartments, opening stores, all this was a reality, these are such small consequences compared to what the m4 road was blocked

, supplies to the fronts were blocked , you don't get on the plane, you don't fly there. and how long would it take for the shelling famine to which we were returning so much to be beautiful? in the course of a few days there, one feels that a person simply knows what the russian army has done in the occupied ukrainian cities , starting from donetsk, luhansk, where looting dominated it, in principle , continuing and ending with all the others that they managed to seize there that's how it was, he's just telling the story, well, what's possible , it would also be useful for rostov. meanwhile, all the versions are so sidetracks. well, now the main version is that it's all

the fault of a handsome man and only one handsome man a week after this, figuratively speaking of a protracted jump where the parachute turned out to open at the last moment . it’s not strange that some even think that beauty’s trip to moscow was staged by the mall for something. such a theater was needed for something . the beauty of the world brought us a roof from big money, the cleansing of the freedom always occurred long ago, modern operations in syria, africa strengthened after taking the solidar and artemovsk, it seemed to him that he может противопоставить себя и министеры обораны могу государственный государственный и просодень грузодный российский history is full of examples when the heroes of the front were severely punished for committed crimes for treason. i guess this is not such

a direct punishment. and to send to belarus with those billions that russian propagandists constantly talk about. they say that prigozhin is worth more than 800 billion billion 800 billion that is, almost there, a man received trillions of money somewhere from the ministry of defense for his various companies. and with this money, he will successfully go somewhere there, rest there or in belarus or wherever he can take, as they say now, the belarusian e belarusian citizenship, belarusian passport, that is, everything is a question. and where is it, if this is such a punishment? well, in principle, everyone probably agreed with this, which does not prevent russian propaganda and talk about what but he has there are no merits for russia now, the question remains if there is no merit

for russia, then why did they give billions to this question , russian propaganda does not give an answer , but it is interesting to see how those who were very supportive have now changed their shoes in the flight, it is alarming, let 's start with solovyov, what is it he literally talked about the enormous merits of chvk wagner and what his personal friend is, a great parishioner, with whom they even made commercials together in the all well program on solovyov’s tv channels , bakhmut again, artemsk, because they are heroic the feat of the commanders and fighters of the man ivanger was supported by the troops of the red army, which provided fire contacts, and the cover in the flanks led to the fact that the one-day operation to repaint the nazi troops

was successfully completed . half a year and completely different, now solovyov is speaking not only he, but literally all russian propaganda together with him shmary newspapers i would take ukraine for one well, yes, i would probably take ukraine for one , the truth is, bakhmut would take 200 seconds and take all of ukraine in a day. no one understands, after this, it is possible to expect what year it is, how did they choose the personnel , how

did they understand people? capture that's how it became clear in the last few days that the pr was put on a wide foot, many people got the impression that wagner is the most effective at the front that is in russia without persuading anyone , but it is worth remembering that the almost half-millennium city of mariupol with all the underground factory levels that they defended were highly motivated and well trained armed fighters of azov were taken by units of the ministry of defense in 7 months , a few days, and artemovsk with an initial population 10 times less and the reality is the second regarding the created myth about the maximum efficiency of the private military company wagner mariupol is one of the most important centers of ukrainian metallurgy and a large seaport and not the most important from

the point of view of the entire front artemovsk dude wagner took 224 days why did we bring all this data of course we are not in any way, we do not beg for the feat of the fighters, dude wagner, just so that the picture of what is happening is always objective and not biased. well, you watched two different state tv channels , the first tv channel and russia-1 on one kiselyov told this comparison, uh, on the first one, they told all this in pictures and more vividly, but the text is literally one in one , that is, this is all pr, as it turned out, and apparently, no one needs that bakhmut at all, we will pass it back. it should be understood that way in general . this is all said since he is not needed and he was taken by pvk wagner in vain, but it is interesting that there was no issue of kiselyov in other issues , you may remember that last week he announced that there would be such