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tv channel mykola veresen vitaly portnikov and the main topics of the week if it is used against ukraine god forbid really tactical nuclear weapons will definitely change the world stories of the problem analysis and personalities await us john gerbs, the former ambassador to the united states in ukraine thanks for the transformation, you have questions, you will get answers, too, an interesting question, how to figure it out portnikov september every friday at 21:15 for espresso every week, the saturday political club helps to understand the processes taking place in ukraine and the world . vitaly portnikov, the host of espresso and invitations, experts based on facts give their assessment and forecast of the development of events, you want to understand how our today will affect our tomorrow, see the saturday political club, what saturdays

are at espresso, wow hello, this is freedom in the morning the informational project of radio svoboda guests are here every day this is the shipping district of kherson live inclusion we are somewhere in the wheels of gold we tell the main thing on weekdays at 9:00 a.m. the program world during the war volodymyr ogryzko , minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2007-2009, returned to the air of espresso tv channel with me directly. we are being watched there now, and how was the answer to the question i asked at the beginning of the program, yes , 1,137 people are watching us. thank you all very much. and as for the question of whether ukraine will be invited to nato at the summit

in vilnius, 31% think so, 63% think so no, 7% have their own option, you can write your own option in the comments, mr. volodymyr. i did not ask a question about nato, although i wanted to ask it one of the first, you still understand because nato itself is already a week away. important for ukraine. i don't think we know half the program. we talked about it before people started voting so as not to influence their vote. now i'm finally happy to ask a question about nato itself. the language of the prime minister of estonia, kai kaas, she said about this, let's listen to what she said during a joint press conference with the secretary general of the north atlantic alliance janson stoltenberg in brussels, let's listen and

see, the only thing that can put an end to aggression between neighboring states is membership in nato, therefore, in order to lay the foundations of an unstable peace, we need ukraine to be in nato, during the bucharest summit, the allies agreed that ukraine will become a member of the alliance, and these words should not remain empty promise now. we need to find a practical way to achieve this goal. we need to send a powerful actionable message to ukrainian soldiers who are currently in the trenches that nato membership is just around the corner and that they are waging their last war with russia. at the press conference , she said about some surprise that may await ukraine , mr. volodymyr. i am sure you know a lot .

we still have to wait for this summit, you know, mr. yurii. i think that we need to be calm. we need to be realistic and understand what we want to get, what is our main goal as of today, our main as of today is the expulsion of the russian occupier from ukrainian land, what needs to be done for this, for this we need to have appropriate weapons that we can use in order for this process to be as fast as possible, what we are talking about today as extremely necessary things, i will only go through the opinion of our er military according to experts, according to general zaluzny

, his colleague , and so on, we really, really need missiles with an average range of 300,500 km. namely, the liberation of the ukrainian land, that is, after that, the actual answer to the question you asked me about, mr. yuri, what and how do we get at the nato summit, i think that the success of ukraine will be nato's decision that we receive these weapons and second success which can be called an invitation or a renewal of the invitation, because actually back in april 2008, all the leaders of the alliance countries at that time said that ukraine would be in nato. that is, it can also add their invitation, but with a postponed date when exactly it will happen, that is, i think that if on at the vilnius summit, in addition to weapons, we received a clear message that

on the first day of the expulsion of the russians from the territory of ukraine , the countries of the alliance will invite ukraine to join the alliance, so i think this will be the answer to your question whether they will invite or will not be invited by the third point. i think it will be that our partners and future panato allies finland and sweden received an invitation to join the actual joining because you see even in this case a little more than a year has actually passed i don't know what tricks the same hungary will play on us so that we go through this process for years, but that 's another issue, so i think the combination of these three points will give us the answer to

the question of what we want to receive from the alliance if we get what i have listed, i think we should be satisfied considering it as practical steps towards ukraine becoming a member of the alliance in the meantime. well, you said so confidently about the armament as soon as possible . to be honest, it seemed to me that from your words that we are such a message that weapons will be given to us, that it is possible that it will be completely peaceful, and it will be so. i mean these medium -range missiles. eyes for now

i call mine liberally dove factions, and in one and another government they continue to be afraid of decisive steps and they argue that, well, you know, it seems to me like a children's scarecrow again, what we talked about with you, that russia is an eternal cow which cannot, cannot, er, disappear from the face of the earth, because they count on the fact that the victory of ukraine will mean the collapse of the putin regime, and the pro-putin regime opens the er door to the uncontrolled disintegration of russia, and they fear it like hell logic seems to me to be dominant today for a certain segment of the political elite in germany and the usa, which actually keeps the process going

. will turn into the collapse of putin's regime, but for me and my colleagues in the center and not only for many experts well, it's a simple , simple question, dear friends, open your eyes and see that the transformation of russia is beneficial to you from many points of view, both global and uh local as political and economic, but unfortunately for some reason our western partners stubbornly do not want to see this, you already said about the liberal rowan factions in the governments of various countries , well, in particular, in the united states of america, in the countries of europe, vladimir, i understand that history does not have a conventional way, it is not worth looking into there, but i just want to hear your opinion , would everything be different in our country now if the president of the united states of america was

ronald raine, it is obvious that ronald reagan was remembered for what he knew how to taking responsibility for himself and making decisions, and it was his determination, together with his obvious uh-uh, diplomatic talents , that made it possible to actually bring the soviet union to its objective conclusion. uh, if uh, no, this is not about criticism of president biden, but if so, well , if uh, if uh, at the head of uh, the western countries , the leading western countries, there were people like

reagan, that's me seems to be the situation would be resolved much, much faster, and i repeat once again in favor of these countries. it seems that some western politicians are simply denying themselves the satisfaction of receiving profits at the same time, dividends in all parameters, from the fact that russia will collapse, well, that's what they say their problems really look at volodymyr today in the dutch gas and ah-ah such a significant event is taking place there the center for the study of russian crimes crimes of russian aggression in ukraine is opening last week when i am with several people spoke, they expressed some skepticism about that, and another organization is being opened that will talk about something there, because we all understand that and these criminals will not be brought to court anyway,

please debunk these doubts of these people. i know who told you about this. but it seems to me that uh , we have to do our job, do it uh, do it confidently, and uh, maybe even uh, you know it so methodically and daily , because every crime committed by uh, russian robbers and murderers on the territory of ukraine must be documented, this is the first step to the fact that after the victorious end of the war, all these people will be punished if there are no documents , if there are no facts, if they are not there, not on paper , it is extremely difficult to bring such a person to justice, because what he is doing now in including the office of the prosecutor general. i think it is extremely important because the more we have such facts, the faster

the justice process will be completed. and according to his estimates, the number of these crimes is already documented reaches about 100,000. you can imagine what is happening in the occupied territories of ukraine. this is the first moment . does not apply, i.e. it is no longer a question of whether to create or not to create some international body that will, in the literal sense of the word, deal with all this russian horror, it is only a matter of what the form this international body will have, that is, everything will be a special international tribunal that it will be a tribunal within the framework of ukrainian legislation with the involvement of foreign specialists and experts and so on and so

forth, that is, it is not a question of whether it is necessary or not necessary but the more evidence we can collect of russian crimes, the more they themselves will talk about it, by the way, and we thank many of them who, in their e or telegram channels or e-e appeals and so on, actually confirm that they are by criminals, the last case is putin's confirmation that he financed a terrorist organization, it is attached , and this is also a slow turnout, as they say , so these are also things that need to be recorded, put in a basket, as they say, and wait for their time, so it seems to me that

despite the fact that to some, these crimes seem so big that they cannot be covered. believe me, lawyers are people and slow but effective and if and if we talk more about international justice, then no crime will go unpunished there . believe me, this is so that you understand it in private in conversations last week, some people, ordinary people, told me that. of course, i did not belong to these people, i explained to them . i wanted the above to explain this professionally from their point of view . said on saturday well, obviously, if william burns says everything, then he is referring to denmark, which has his intelligence agency that the russian leadership is being corroded from the inside and this movement simply cannot lose such a chance and is now somehow actively trying to recruit spies from the inside of the russian leadership i remember three years, it seems to be how did you come to the espresso tv channel, you and i recorded an interview, and then

i was from you in total, it seems like four, and you then said the same thing about the collapse of russia. how do you see the future of russia about the disintegration of russia is now the beginning of this disintegration. i think, yuriy, that russia has reached its final e-e direct e-e and e-e here it is not even necessary to draw any parallels there with karnizov there with the west or something e-e similar or muravyov uh, and so on. it's rather reminiscent the end of the history of the soviet union, when the country stands on stilts on some half-withered crutches and which may just fall under its own weight. whether this will happen tomorrow or the day after tomorrow

is definitely difficult to say, because the fate of russia today is decided on on the battlefields in ukraine and the sooner this victory happens, the sooner this poor dwarf who thinks that he is the mistress of the world, not politically and most likely physically, and with his disappearance, all this maria will disappear you too now you are showing and there will be at least a chance for real changes to begin on the post of russian territory. i return again and again, mr. yuri, to the question that this is beneficial for the west. now it was quoted to set the task before its subordinates to think about how to rid the post of russian territory with nuclear weapons. why? well, the answer is as banal and

simple as 90°, because the global nuclear threat is disappearing. is it profitable with the united states of america and definitely profitable? is it it is beneficial for the event as a whole, where it is definitely beneficial . is it beneficial for the countries bordering the russian federation so far? and kazakhstan and definitely no, only it will be much easier because in exchange for er some er infrastructural financial er investment projects er post russian countries i think with great pleasure will get rid of er these weapons and what if these countries excuse me on the word

to offer again eh for the corresponding economic eh projects with help to ensure that all countries get on the normal political path of development so that they have only limited contingents of troops and do not threaten anyone . wouldn't this be in the interests of the same measure eh as a whole and for each and every country separately, definitely no. and isn’t it important that in this way world totalitarianism will actually be pushed aside and defeated because china alone, without a russian partner and ally, will not be able to resist the world democracy. i am not talking about a bunch of local things . when will the problems of transnistria of georgia be solved? i mean the occupied territory of the southern session of abkhazia, nagorno

-karabakh, when, in the same version , will the issue of transnistria be solved, when will those sources disappear? the tensions that moscow has sown all over the world, especially in africa, when today, through these same wagner terrorist organizations, it terrorizes half of the black continent, and so on. and so on, that is, we can talk here you know, you know, it is possible to specifically plant such arguments in our conversation, yuri, because they actually exist. i would very much like to follow great britain, which today publicly demonstrates for the first time in its willingness to think about the post-russian reality, so that respected representatives of the political establishment of the united states would also take up this matter. states

of america and these are diplomats , these are also analytical centers, this is definitely an intelligence society, and so on. burns i think that we should congratulate him and ask him to think, and in this direction we casually congratulate mr. burns and we really hope that he watches this program. well, it is necessary to watch it, especially with such a guest, ah, look , mr. volodymyr, a lot already in the past last week, we were talking about the wagnerites on the air and everywhere. i wouldn't even touch on this topic today , their walk is beautiful. last week, the minister of foreign affairs of our north-eastern neighbor, to the great regret of how he commented on it, let's follow lavrov and listen to the national

interests . it's louder than the pretensions, it's hard to name , it came out stronger, stronger, so it will be this time, more than that we already feel that this process has begun, well , what i like best is that he called it just a sloppy arrangement, some kind of pretension ok let it be what they want, let them call it what they want, but the day before yesterday, the propagandists of sillyov said that all that lukashenko had been talking about for weeks was how he was asked to call prigozhin to talk to the person who was brought in. what was he asked for? brought peace to russia, well, in general, to the russian-belarusian region, because for him it's all a country, so kiselyov said that it was all a lie the day before yesterday on the air and said that lukashenka was not asked for it, but prigozhin

called before this, even though he tried to call putin putin said that we don't talk with traitors , he offered to talk to lukashenka in a formal way. volodymyr tell me, please, in this situation, if it weren't for kiselyov, i would probably start to forget about all this prigozhynism and wagnerism, but now kiselyov reminded me of lukashenka and again this the question is why prigozhin lukashenko, didn't they force lukashenko to make some concessions specifically in order to bring peace to russia? and what i think is important is not to call mr. lavrov the minister of foreign affairs, because in fact, russia has not been for a long time the ministry of foreign affairs is the ministry of foreign propaganda, well, the internal

ministry, as they say , deals with those odious personalities that you and i have already talked about several times, but on the external side, a powerful system works in first of all, through the so-called ministry of defense affairs , in fact, the ministry of propaganda, secondly, i just very carefully followed the reaction to these events that took place on june 24 of this year, er, to the reaction of foreign political television, well, foreign propaganda i'm sorry for the departments and lavrov personally, so what's interesting about him during these first political hours was that he was not heard at all. i think that he thought for a long time what kind of predicament he himself got into and what should he do now and where should he run faster so what is this once again, everything is still ahead. they are already creating some commissions there to find out who

did what, what they said, and who ran away to where in the first hours of this prigornytsky heard about lukashenko and it was beautiful you know p yurii i think we don't need to do them unnecessary advertising, because it's like putin - they are war criminals who will go there . that's where you and i say we will send them after the victory . namely, to this international tribunal in gaza, or maybe somewhere in another city, which will give them what they need. that is, well, i i think so, looking ahead, of course, but life terms of imprisonment if of course they reach this gaga and are not destroyed on the road, whether by their own or by strangers or someone else, that's why it seems to me that uh, that's it, you know, try to understand the logic

of bandits uh, well, it's even it will be a little bit it is illogical from the point of view of what we actually need for our victory and for victory we need to show the whole world that these people are criminals, that they differed from each other, what they talk about among themselves, what they agree on well, we shouldn't. it seems to me that it worries too much, because one way or another, in our eyes, they should be unambiguously, well , as those who are subject to criminal prosecution , so i think that they should sort it out among themselves, who called whom. who did not call all the more so that all of this same propaganda will be presented as the fact that putin has actually shown himself once again to mach , that he held his own, that he did not run away, that he

did not fly away, that he was in the kremlin and worked, as once again lying to the sand that is, these are their problems, let's not do advertising for them, but think about how to bring them to criminal responsibility as soon as possible. we will do it. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for participating in today's program. was on the air of the espresso tv channel in the sweet program during the war. minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2007-2009. well, there is half a minute left. in which time i would summarize the results, so now we are watched by 1,652 people on a special channel created on youtube, a channel for the world during the war i thank you all very much. 411 votes , yes, people answered the question i asked whether ukraine will be invited to nato at the summit in vilnius

, only 30% think so, 64% think no, and your option is six percent. well, if you are wondering how i would voted and i was there and voted, i said that they will not be formally invited. this week in the program collaborators traitors of show business as a leading producer became a primitive racist love of the nation put on a hitler mustache and which of the ukrainian artists sings a pro-russian victory from the current issue i will tell you about traitors from the show business of famous ukrainians who, after a full-scale invasion, chose russian scenes and royalties in

wooden rubles february 24, 2022, the first missile attacks on the whole of ukraine, numerous victims among the civilian population and military attacks from almost all directions, then all famous ukrainians began to spread information en masse about a full-scale invasion of russia, their voices became a loud cry for help to a multi-million audience around the world for a year of bloody terror russia media people artists actors made their choice someone such as monatik polyakova or karol completely refused to perform songs in russian, many famous ukrainian directors such as badoev closed the russian market for themselves, other equally well-known figures such as taras topolya andriy khlyvnyuk and dmytro digusar took up arms and came to our defense. the solidarity of many artists in these difficult times, some famous people