[000:00:00;00] the communication of the apparatus of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine did not provide more details. in local telegram channels, the explosion in the city was reported around 10 o'clock in the evening. at the same time, they began to publish videos of the explosions. on them , a pillar of fire can be seen rising into the sky . everyone is a representative of the occupation authorities , in particular denis poshilin reported on the shelling of chervonograd of the guard district of makiivka by the armed forces of ukraine in the local so-called mass media they write about one dead person from 20 to 40 wounded in

the telegram channels of makiivka it is assumed that this there was a blow to the himers systems as a result of the explosion, the hospital building number two , the school, the kindergarten and residential buildings were damaged, there are people who were injured, the corner on the cunt must be strong. so, for example, pavel immediately jumped out into the corridor, and what can we do one by one, how did the occupation authorities and the russian state media start , he emphasized that the zesu allegedly hit the residential quarters and the hospital building itself, and

they are publishing a video with the consequences in the military trauma committee i remind you that they are reporting the destruction of the ammunition depot of the russian forces. i will note that the red guard district is located in the western part of makiivka, closer to donetsk, which is 15 km from makiivka. earlier , the occupation authorities also reported on the shelling of the petrovsky district of donetsk itself, and they say that two people died as a result of the shelling. they already add that the damage central gas pipeline and power line were affected serhiy kuzan, head of the ukrainian center for security and military cooperation, an expert joined our broadcast greetings, i want to immediately ask about the situation around makiivka in a landslide. they report the destruction of russian forces there .

a warehouse with munitions and supplies and with stylish materials that burn with fuel, and these are exactly the warehouses from which supplies were made, in particular , in the avdiiv direction, that is, it was precisely from there that the occupying forces received everything necessary for the conduct of the war there is no doubt that there will be a certain delay in this direction, that is, the occupiers are also short of their own fuel and ammunition , e . - by what laws and rules of war , placing exactly otaki warehouses in a in a residential building in the conditions of such a dense urban development, and we saw that

windows were really broken, that is, an explosive wave in some houses i just took out the door, but why did it happen because, actually, the occupiers placed it near houses, near hospitals, near schools, and so on, but i don’t know where. houses when the occupiers hit with drones and rockets, that is, all the civilian destruction and, accordingly, victims, it is entirely the fault of the occupiers, who actually did not move these warehouses further, or at least did not resettle people or at least did not warn the local civilian residents, and therefore, of course, all these accusations against ukraine that ukraine allegedly hit somewhere because they saw broken windows, broken windows, well, of course, they have no basis for how serious this location is, where ammunition was stored

, how serious is it for of the russian forces, this is really a very serious minus, and even ordinary citizens could feel it from the force of the explosion. that is, there was a really large amount of ammunition and fuel. in this case, our military intelligence worked very well. it gave very accurate coordinates and, of course, accordingly, our rockets, er, jewels, destroyed with jewel-like accuracy, destroyed these warehouses, that is, destroyed them with several strikes, and well, there is no system there against air defense, this is how the occupiers brag that they closed donetsk , they closed makiyivka. of course, she did not help them and therefore, of course, this is another request to the local population. all your information, uh, in which you provide about donetsk . actually, the deoccupier keeps his weapons, his equipment, it is extremely valuable

. and here we see this on july 4. our missilemen with american weapons welcomed us to the allied country of the united states with one ah, that's how you describe serhii in general. this is constantly being officially reported to the ministry of defense in the ukrainian and general staff, moreover , the fact that the russian military began to use chemical weapons even more actively on the battlefield in the area of ​​the city of bakhmut, donetsk region, e.e., the head of the service said recently of public relations of the territorial defense forces of the ukrainian armed forces, oleksiy dmytroshkivskyi. actually, it should also be noted that officially the ukrainian forces say that the situation in the southern direction is difficult, although there is a situation there and they report on progress, but everything is also extremely difficult, that is, in general, hmm, what is

the situation at the front the russians are longing for individual chemical weapons. that is, it is not a mass phenomenon, but still, since 1993, under various bans, it has been uh, uh, lucid , and in this case, it is used for this liquid, including that is, this is not the first case of the use of chemical weapons - it is not such a massive case that would somehow affect our combat capability, but it is indisputable that this is a fact of violation, that is , of any rules and methods of waging war , which, well, actually, the russians once again committed , and here of course we do not yet have to appeal to their humanity or compliance with the international norms of the convention , we and the world community just need to understand who we are dealing with

, sergey, i will explain to our viewers that later we will talk in detail about the situation around the nuclear power plant . and i want to ask you a question, is there any military goal for the russian side to provoke or blow up the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant? even in the event of a complete blow-up, it will not cause damage to our defense forces, that is, in this case, for example, the blow-up of the khor hpp, this action would have some practical significance, because water spilled, according to that an advance on the left, well, to the left bank in the kherson direction was impossible, but here in this case there is some military expediency, the military expediency of stopping our defense forces, or somehow restraining them there. well, in this case, there is no such military

expediency, and the only explanation is the task of economic losses in our country . well, of course, causing an ecological disaster . that is, these are all the same costs that our country will later bear in order to overcome them. but fortunately, the defense forces they are preparing, they are ready for various options of actions, they have appropriate developed plans, and by the way, these plans include both detonation and the option not to detonate this military in both cases, and our advance in the south will not stop about the readiness of the population and the political component , we will talk further on our broadcast, thank you for the analysis of the military situation, serhiy kuzan , head of the ukrainian center for security and cooperation, a military expert was in

touch with us, radiation is a threat to everyone, in these words ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyi appealed to world leaders and called for intervention in the situation to prevent a terrorist attack on the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. zelenskyi again recalled the insufficient reaction to the destruction of the kakhovsky hydroelectric dam . territory of zs, now from our intelligence we have information that on the roof of several power units of the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant , the russian military placed objects similar to on explosives, it is possible to simulate an attack on the plant, maybe they have some other scenarios, but in any case, the world sees and cannot help but see that the only source of danger for the zaporozhye nuclear plant is russia itself and no one else, this morning the ukrainian

hydrometeorological center reported the level of radiation that he is normal and the day before, the general staff of the zoo reported that, according to their data , foreign objects similar to explosive devices were placed on the outer curve of the third and fourth power units of the zs, which may indicate possible preparation for a provocation of the armed forces by the occupying forces , the general staff says that the detonation does not damage the power units themselves, but it can create a picture of shelling allegedly from the side of ukraine. 24 stated that it seems that the armed forces are preparing an attack on zaysy and even named the date on the night of july 5, that is, it was supposed to take place tonight. and according to him, they will try with jesus, they tried

would attack the nuclear power plant with the help of drones and missiles. point of ultrasound , i quote , with a warhead made of nuclear waste. they did not comment on the terrorist attack, however, in their report, the last report that the organization published yesterday, and there it was reported about the loss of communication between the zaporizhia npp and the external power supply line the day before in the morning, and at the same time, the organization managed to avoid a complete blackout of the problem with the electricity supply, according to the head of megate , rafael grosia, deepens the nuclear safety risks faced by the nuclear plant on the front line. russian intelligence and ukrainian personnel who signed a contract with the russian structure were recommended to leave

the hare before july 5. announced about mined areas on the territory of the ukrainian armed forces and on the background of the statement about the alleged danger from the zaporizhia nuclear power plant, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine general zaluzhnyi visited other ukrainian nuclear power plants at the beginning of july for the second time, together with him and the chief of the general staff sheptalo, together with the leaders of the country's energy sector exchanged information in order to plan to predict the possibility of scenarios for the development of events at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, and this visit took place on july 3. in addition, the commander-in-chief of ukraine and president zelenskyi conducted a joint training in the event of an accident at the air force for civilian emergency responders and representatives of the authorities of zaporizhzhia, dnipropetrovsk oblast and part of kherson oblast , the minister of internal affairs ihor klymenko worked out actions in case of a radiation leak, about 8,000 people were involved

, as he reported minister of energy, in the event of a disaster at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power station , about 300,000 residents of dnipropetrovsk region and zaporizhzhia will be subject to evacuation. to speak with a member of the committee of the national security and defense council, fedirvenislavskyi joined freedom morning. i welcome you to our broadcast. thank you for joining. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes in the background of this news . a threat in these hours in these days, mykhailo podolyak said 50x50, well, you know , such an assessment is not yours, not ours, what do you say ? well, first of all, i think that the best system is the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, that we definitely cannot underestimate the danger that comes from the russian federation in any sphere, because of these 496 days of war , the russians have demonstrated that

they do not have any restraining factors, whether humanitarian or international legal or universal, in principle, and therefore exclude the very improbability of the scenario in that including blowing up some doors at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power station , we definitely cannot, you know, i think that just the information provided by the ukrainian authorities about the threats associated with the destruction of the e-e from the kakhov dam, they are very clear demonstrate that the world neither the day before nor immediately after did not react properly to what the president also spoke about and this can be a factor or a marker for criminals from the russian federation for the military and political leadership, which is criminal in the possibility of committing other otaki global catastrophes. well , once again, we carefully evaluate the data of our intelligence , about which the president and the committee of the special state of security and defense of intelligence , as a consumer of intelligence information, also spoke

has a sufficiently complete picture given by intelligence officers, the russians are using the zaporizhzhya nuclear power station and as a definite defensive line, they understand that our defense forces will cover our entire land, and therefore, according to the latest e-e data of our intelligence agencies, literally this morning, they are setting up new positions directly near blocks of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power station are digging trenches, there will be strongholds, that is, this is evidence that the russians are using it as such a dangerous hostage, on the one hand, on the other hand, even the same russians confirm the information of our intelligence community that they are taking their employees out of the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, which is also quite an alarming signal. well, i would not rule out that russia uses any leverage in order to restrain our e-e partners of nato member countries in the decision

that they hope to make on july 11-12, when there will be a nato summit in vilnius regarding the membership of ukraine. i think that this situation of zaporizhzhya should be scattered on the station in many planes and they use it in the media as well and in such an informational psychological pressure, there is no reason to downplay the danger . we cannot, but you know. i hope that a healthy fool, even a mentally ill person, should have enough for the instinct of self-preservation, because it is impossible to calculate the level of pollution in principle. if there is a fourth situation, you mentioned the summit nato, and this means that the tract may happen to him, or eh. hm. he can give some guarantees that such a terrorist attack will not happen in the future. well, for example, if ukraine offers a road map and they will invite her to nato, then russia will not take such actions. well, i did not make any direct correlation depending on when this terrorist attack could take place, if it

was planned and a decision was made to carry it out. common sense is enough not to lead to such a new global catastrophe, but if we evaluate the perspective of ukraine as a nato member and the statements coming from representatives of nato member countries, some of them have already stated that in the event that the russian the federation will commit a terrorist attack on the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, this will be considered or can be considered as the use of nuclear weapons with all the consequences that are in the defense doctrines of nato member countries, and therefore, of course , the decision is precisely that ukraine will already be a de facto member of nato after the end of hostilities after our victory, it can act as a sufficiently powerful deterrent, therefore i think that vilnius should also be aware of the problem of their dangers associated with delaying any such active decisive responses to our request

regarding nato membership well, let's hope. of course, such a terrorist attack or any such actions will never happen on the air force or on any flight in ukraine, of course, but you criticize the activities of international organizations , in particular, the hotel, and in general, who can prevent such actions of russia, in what way, when you criticize, you say that you are accusing someone of inaction, well, the president mentioned that there was not enough reaction regarding the kakhovsky hpp, for example, and that is why such tragedies happen without common sense among the performers you mentioned earlier, well who can still somehow influence such actions of russia, you know. this is the situation that we are currently discussing. we have been discussing it for more than a few weeks regarding the threat posed by the presence of the russian federation to the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant and its plans. they force themselves to focus on these problems within the framework of, let's say, the global space

, because all the tv channels of almost all the countries of the world are now very actively discussing the potential threats of the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, and as a result, you know, if we er had such a clear and consistent reaction from our partners and from international organizations that , in my opinion, they really do not fulfill the main mission for which they were created if they responded to er such, say, terrorist attacks by the russian federation on a global scale initiated, including the application or increase of sanctions pressure on ros energoatom, and we know that this organization that builds nuclear plants serves nuclear plants in many other countries of the world if we have increased the sanctions pressure and said that if god forbid something like this will happen, then russia will no longer be able to enter the global world markets, this will be associated with sanctions both for it and for those countries that

will use such services and then, after some regular situations , such as the blowing up of the kakhovka dam , these sanctions were, well, let's say they were introduced very quickly, so i think it acted as a very powerful deterrent. of the russian federation in the grain agreement, what is the istanbul visual agreement, they say that if you do not remove the sanctions from us, then we will not continue the grain agreement. and this means that with all such victorious relations and optimistic statements that russia has carried out imports from import substitution, the sanctions on them are extremely effective negatively and in any case they are trying these sanctions with the help of any blackmailers , the pain points of russia in this sensational situation are known to everyone, many things have not yet been used against this country, so actually i understand you are calling on the international community to do so. thank you for explaining the situation and the position of the ukrainian authorities

. fedir vinislavskyi, a member of the national security and defense council committee, was a guest of svoboda ranok against the background of allegations of preparation for an alleged terrorist attack on the zaporizhia npp . the ministry of health of ukraine reminded a how to act in a dangerous situation , residents were urged to stay in shelters until there are additional orders from the local authorities, they recommend in advance to pack an emergency suitcase with documents, medicine and masks, a minimum supply of food and water, and a change of clothes. i also recommend that those who live in the affected zone from the eu plan their departure routes in advance if the evacuation will be carried out by their own transport. well , it is worth adding that yesterday, against the background of statements about the possible preparation of a terrorist attack on the military in social networks , they even tried to predict what might happen be the radius of pollution under different scenarios and if we summarize the data voiced by various ukrainian ukrainian scientists, then 50 km around the station will be subject to evacuation

, while 30 km will be dangerous for life in general, a radius of about 100 km around the station can be potentially contaminated, scientists agree that there will be no such strong pollution as after the disaster at the chernobyl nuclear power plant , the spread of radioactive dirt will be affected by many factors, in particular the direction and strength of the wind and the actual method and scale of destruction at the station itself in detail about the probability of the scenario. how to prepare . of radiation safety i welcome you to our broadcast and thank you for joining in extremely sensitive topics for ukrainians , such a moment is extremely sensitive, eh, let's actually talk about the version of russian energoatom and what they said about the alleged bomb with radioactive waste, which is the ukrainian side

there, the ukrainian forces could somehow throw at the military forces there, in general , you will open this version right away that this is a statement as far as it is concerned, so to speak for life, at least theoretically well, unfortunately, i do not have a professional education, i am not a psychiatrist to comment on such statements because only sick people can come up with a bomb with radioactive waste that ukraine can drop on the zaporizhzhia station. it seems to me that the first thing to fear is those people who are on the territory of the zaporizhzhia station , namely the occupation forces and, in principle, in their hands the possibility of committing further acts of terrorism, nuclear terrorism, and this experience, which, unfortunately, ukraine has, namely , the seizure of nuclear facilities at the chernobyl station, the zaporizhia station, the shelling of a nuclear

installation in kharkiv, the kindrivka of the hop dam this shows that we need to be afraid not of some hypothetical war mosquitoes or dirty bombs from ukraine, namely , the terrorist actions of the russian federation. therefore , this is a statement that i don't even want to comment on myself, that is, then in ro- explain such a moment. that is, we know that the hare was already prepared after the accident at the chornobyl npp, and it seems that all the shortcomings are taken into account, is it really more protected, and again, what scenarios are likely in the event of a transaction that the russian side might buy - this is stated by the ukrainian authorities, and what will be the consequences possible for ukraine what radii are we talking about 50 km 30 km and that depends on the wind and so to speak - no one to fear no one to prepare well, it seems to me that it is not quite correct to say that the zaporizhzhia station was designed after the disaster at the chernobyl nuclear power plant

after all, it was designed earlier, but correctly. first of all, it should be noted that this is a completely , well, fundamentally different project from a similar one, the only thing is that nuclear fuel is used in chernobyl and the zaporizhzhia station, everything else well, it is almost different because there the amount contours, how is nuclear fuel cooled? well, i won't go into details, but these are two fundamentally different projects, on the one hand, on the other hand, they are two fundamentally different projects from the point of view of nuclear security , because the chernobyl station is even at the stage of operation zaporizhzhia station had a number of technical shortcomings that ultimately led to the disaster. well, like all other ukrainian stations, it was built during the soviet union, but after ukraine gained independence,

a number of significant modifications were implemented and even with the basic project of vvr 1000, the zaporizhia station is two orders of magnitude more protected than what was happening before. well, the zaporizhia station was recognized as one of the most secure in europe, that is why we can talk about its sufficiently high security from the point of view of its work in normal operating modes for some design accidents eh it is protected against external influences. in our country it is designed to withstand earthquakes, tornadoes from flooding and any man-made impact, unfortunately eh, is it possible to fortunately, because nuclear plants were not designed to work in wartime conditions, no one ever thought that a terrorist attack was possible, it was not designed for the introduction of hostilities, but still there are certain elements of protection that, even in

the event of a hypothetical accident, will prevent the release of these products release into the environment first of all, for what did not happen in chernobyl, the reactor of the zaporozhye plant is located in a protective room, well , a hermetic envelope, which is called a containment . this is a rather large room, which, first of all it is airtight, it does not allow radiation to leak out even in the event of an accident, secondly, it is designed in such a way that it can even withstand the fall of small planes, and theoretically it has some external influences even from an explosion. will contain the emission of radiation and significantly limit the consequences of this accident if, in the case of an explosion in the middle , we know about the declarations of mine-mining well, an explosion from the middle or not an explosion from the inside

will all lead to the the cooling of the nuclear fuel will be lost because it is impossible to detonate and make a nuclear bomb, but it will be the loss of the cooling of the nuclear fuel with its heating and possible melting, and even in the event of such an accident with the melting of the fuel, eh, anyway, eh, the soviets will be almost all to be restrained inside the protective shell if it is not damaged, it is also necessary to take into account that the blocks of the zaporizhzhia station have been in stop mode for a long time, that is, the chain reaction is stopped and only the residual energy release is taken into account the fact that the riser blocks have been standing for almost a year and some more eh i have to interrupt you thank you for joining dmytro humenyuk head of the security analysis department of the state scientific and technical center for nuclear and radiation safety we

talked about the situation around the nuclear power plant he reported on the visit of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky to bulgaria on thursday, that is, tomorrow , referring to unofficial information, and we will follow this visit from 9:00 svoboda ranok here on the svoboda radio channel and on the espresso tv channel. follow the news together with us news avataria espresso i cross on parubiy i will tell you about the most relevant at the moment as of this morning the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is working normally this was reported by the head of the nikopol district military administration yevhen yevtushenko energoatom reports that the water level in the pond