[000:00:00;00] although in the territory of the temporarily occupied crimea all these years, since the 14th year, the ukrainian state recognizes them as its citizens, and you know this a priori, this is what happens, it is simply axiomatic. at the same time, these people , some of them have russian passports, they took them in order to survive on the territory of one's native home and this is normal , this does not mean collaborationism, these are the conditions in which people found themselves and this does not fall under criminal responsibility. at the same time, these same collaborators who, out of sincere conviction or money or for anything else, they went to meet the russian occupiers, provided them with appropriate service, this is what i will say , they are now trying to squeeze themselves into the gender

of ukrainians of crimean tatar origin in order to get their preferences in the west , and this issue is crazy, as far as i am concerned, not settled on the territories of our partner countries, and at the same time, this issue is probably under-regulated because we did not articulate it clearly enough. to open, we are talking about the material of the center of european police anywised along the lines of the problem of crimean collaborationism , the center itself is trying to reflect on this topic in the context of the counteroffensive to kyiv and talks about ukraine's persecution of collaborators in the occupied territories, which it releases

, establishing who should be given prosecution is a very important task as early as march 2022, the ukrainian parliament passed amendments to the law on collaborationism, which made you more criminal prosecutions and within a month after the invasion of ukraine, it was necessary to give a fairly clear signal to the citizens of the recently occupied territories that they should not cooperate with the russian troops, i would say to do everything possible in order not to take russian documents but , almost immediately, discussions began about crimea and about other territories before territories previously occupied territories of luhansk donetsk oblasts that were illegally annexed even before the full-scale invasion e-e formal application of such a law to residents of crimea

will entail hundreds of thousands of criminal proceedings, says mila tasheva, and in fact it will not always be fair to many people, it is a very important topic. you raised the topic , i want to say a little first about tamil and what is right automatically there by default cannot be here approach to different cases, because formally it is one and the same, in fact, it may be completely different there , due to circumstances, reasons, threats to life , whatever, we will not list all the possible options right now. we do not even know them as there the collaborators are being mocked and just now and before they were mocked here eh, you know, i eh, i will say that when eh, the soviet army was still a-h, so it occupied those eh territories that were occupied by the wehrmacht there eh during the times there eh

during the second world war, even then, even the stalinist regime did not formally punish for the presence of a german, that is, it was considered well , yes, it is the occupied territory of any, it is forbidden to take the documents of the occupation authorities, yes, they are illegal, this is a priori yes, but taking them is not a crime, it is a crime how do you use yours the provisions of this status are not and what are you doing in the occupied territories? i think that one of the tasks of those future authorities and bodies, including law enforcement agencies in crimea, which is currently being formed, as we know , is to develop clear criteria for the approach to different versions of this about what you said to christi, there cannot be any single, universal uh. that is, it is not a linear story, but a story about the essence . for example, formally, a person can

do nothing, and in fact, she is there from neighbors about it you know, she campaigned for the so-called referendum, but there are already many referendums there in different territories, so they staged these performances , yes, in a violent way. there is an investigation, there is the police, there is the sbu, there is also the prosecutor's office, and other authorities that should systematize this data and should encourage people to report it . this is an example of a mambetov collaborator. he is very bright, that is, formally, he can say whatever he wants. worked in russia, and it should also be formulated. there are many such people there, that is, one thing, when there. well, i assume so , yes. some biology teacher is talking about botany or something else there, and another thing is when the teacher is there, i do not know the russian language, she

is campaigning for participation in illegal or there for recruiting the russian army. this is a completely different story and we will deal with it here in essence. i am sure that it will be taken into account because otherwise well, let's say it directly that ukraine and directly to the people who live there will not punish anyone in the occupied territories of ukraine just for the presence of some kind of opposition, all the more illegal , that is, ukraine is a democratic free state that welcomes its citizens and waits for them absolutely no less you are the conscious pro-ukrainian worthy citizens of ukraine. the investigators should help the morgans . please keep this information about your collaborators you know. it will all come in handy and very soon they will run away like rats

. they know that the punishment will be so, let's go. ah, yes, how can you help ukraine? someone helps in a partisan way, someone helps by documenting collaborators, no one should disappear. by the way, you know that they are , for example , the character i mentioned several times and his accomplices there, they delete the video from youtube, you understand, and they think that they love me so much, i want to ask at such moments , what's going on, we will now welcome our guest with you, this is serhiy danilov, the deputy director of the middle eastern studies center, we are in touch with you. serhii, we are glad to see and hear from you. greetings greetings, ms. khrystyna, greetings, mr. the air in the ukrainian south is extremely close to mr. serhiy, and he is very involved in everything that happens in crimea and on

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of the front, freedom life, frankly and impartially draw conclusions ourselves, we will continue our live broadcast, this is a project together bereber tv channel atr tv channel espresso tv channel ayder muzhdabayev my co-host my name is khrystyna yatskiv and let us remind you that with us in this conversation is also deputy director of the center for middle eastern studies serhiy danilov, so mr. serhiu aydar and i have already emphasized the main points the traffic jam trends on the kerch bridge even caused the reflections of putin himself, who said, well, we need to somehow concentrate people to let the occupied ukrainian territories pass through the nova. he considers them his own. and in at the same time, as we understand, they are traveling in crimea in much greater numbers than a few weeks ago in convoys with military equipment , this is, for example, fixed all over feropol , they have already laughed at the fact that people who will drive

cars, well, there is almost no harm in case they fall under the distribution of the ukrainian defense forces of our army all series well, the equipment must be preserved and kept somewhere away in the crimea, what are the main trends you see now at the entrance to the temporarily occupied crimea and in the crimea itself, if it is about transport logistics in general about transport, after the chongar bridge was hit, the entire flow went through armyansk, accordingly, for several days, civilian traffic was closed there , because they are used as the main logistical route for supplies to the zaporizhzhia direction, where the hottest battles are now going on. well but now ours are saying that they restored the chongar bridge, as if the video even appeared. i didn't have time to check, accordingly

, they will relieve the load a little in that direction, and yes, there are very large columns, everything works in them for the war now uh and for the citizens that ours and theirs don't care about their problems - it doesn't matter either eh immediately affected the prices of logistics in melitopol henichesk there skadovsk and in the crimea in connection with the fact that there is a very thorough total inspection of transport from the crimea there , relatively speaking, every tenth one is checked. and those who enter the bathhouse in the crimea via the bridge, those who thoroughly check it all

overloads the logistics, and on the one hand with on the other hand, emigration increases if we talk about the southern kherson oblast of zaporozhye now we are observing another increase in the number of citizens who are waiting from there who are no longer in a position to hold on and tell me please and here khrystyna mentioned it at the beginning of the program that one of the effects of which maybe they they want er achieved maybe it’s just such a hm public side effect yes what is this look despite everything er russians are not afraid they willingly rest in crimea they want to get there the hotels are probably all full and the tourism industry is developing these all in we have everything. okay, we will take them there if necessary with amphibious ships or somewhere else, yes. that is, this is the kind of hype you are creating. and what is actually uh. how do you observe the tourism industry? yes. well

, the so-called occupation industry, what is there ? due to surveillance cameras, some are there on the beaches, well, not very many now, but in reality, what about the tsins, with the demand, and who goes there and what do they encounter there? that is, russians in fact, someone is trying to go, but if you look at the numbers , um, in their russian or crimean publications , they write about the rights of hotel reservations, about mass refusals from uh, already bought tourist tours, and, well, whether to go there or pay extra

to go to some other place, you also see on the cameras , it is true, especially in western crimea, the situation with the tourist season is failing this year, but as i said, the first thesis is that you should not underestimate how russians believe their propaganda, i.e. even now there are people who well right now and let's say this spring, in the month of may , there were people who bought, for example , they came from some siberian hinterland, they bought tokens not even in the crimea. there are no such families in uh, everything has stopped, yeah, but there are people who believe that russia is ours there forever, that is , their russian army is winning in russia

, that's enough, it's true, i absolutely agree with you, but i already mentioned it in to this program, what are these real collaborators, such conscious traitors, they are not the ones who are influenced by propaganda, those who really appreciate it more or less without their state and the state of russia, they have already started to lose their temper and do it publicly, we quoted here we have a so-called blogger on fsbsh, something else , they also write there, they are so worried there. and here you are, how do you observe everyone more professionally ? er, she left the peninsula recently. well, first, let's talk about the first ones cotton that took place there and what are the general trends of the movement of the non-tourist population. and those who

have been there for a more or less long time, because in any capacity, well, it depends very much on the presence of imagination in a person, and of course yes, because there is a part without imagination, it is so and continues to sit, but uh, panicky moods really spread, uh, the first call was, of course, the attack on the crimean bridge, and then all the other cotton, and especially the liberation of kherson had a huge impact, and for more than six months, there has been a steady outflow of m-m people who were connected, for example, to the occupation authorities but kept their ukrainian passports, we have already heard in cases where they, as ukrainian refugees, are legalized in europe

, the united states, or open three sides in turkey, or buy hotels in georgia. that's all. the present can change. on top of that, they also add a message that the occupiers are making lists of non-evacuation of sevastopol , simferopol , etc. evacuation lists are drawn up, and it has already become an additional incentive to develop alternative scenarios for collaborators of their future, which includes, first of all , the exit corridor, residence, withdrawal of money, how to get rid of property, what really, really worries them the most, in fact, is physical safety

and preservation property, well, some of them believe that, by the way, upon the return of ukraine, they will come to an agreement and be able to return in time with a ukrainian passport and manage their assets there again. let them continue to think like this, we will wait for them for a while and everything will be fine with them, well, as it should be for such people, and they will have housing, uh , and work, uh, well, of course, and probably the housing will also be a specific special regime, if, of course, it is proven that they guilt i remind you once again that we are a legal state that will prove certain actions of each individual person, and therefore i cannot even fathom and imagine what a patch of work and how much time it will take for the law enforcement agencies of our

state in order to really make crimea long years, decades, safe without these, you know, planted bombs in slow motion in the form of allegedly ukrainian citizens . at the same time, absolutely collaborators who have already shown themselves, but it is also very important who will carry out state policy in the territory that has so far occupied crimea literally a few days ago, on the website of the national agency of ukraine for civil service issues , the acceptance of applications for the reserve of civil servants for work in the de-occupied territories began. this applies not only to crimea, but also to the previously occupied territories of donetsk mila tasheva of the luhansk region writes that this is an important step for the formation of a personnel reserve that will provide the liberated crimean peninsula . qualification of a civil servant and work in the de-occupied territory can submit their questionnaires on the national website. i know that this is important news for many, because i personally

receive many requests from people who are ready to directly participate in the reintegration of the crimean peninsula , we have a lot of work ahead of us, that is why we need to start it right now . only those who will be recognized and proven to be collaborators will not be able to join this work. or those who have lived on the territory of crimea all these years, or will the crimean peninsula become a place where you know, people are sent from other ukrainian regions, and this will change something, even you know, the composition of the population in crimea , there are actually a lot of questions, and i don’t quite

understand how to answer them. how do you see this whole story? well, you asked very difficult questions, no only you don't know, absolutely the majority doesn't know and the government doesn't know, i'll fill you in too. and the composition of the population will change in any case because someone will leave. well, first of all , we have from half a million to 800,000 russians there who came, then there are a lot of crimeans i left the occupation, i leave a lot now, as we have already said , yes, and then after the liberation , large resettlement will begin, some will return. firstly, secondly, within the borders of one country, resettlement is also normal, people are free to choose their place of residence, and some of us have now come to the carpathians, some to lviv

, and likewise, some will go to the crimea later , thirdly, i know crimeans and more than one a crimean and a crimean pool who are currently being served, that is, among the people from the crimea, among those who now live on free lands, and some of them , by the way, have already become vpu twice somewhere. i moved from the crimea to kherson or melitopol. i know many of them. and now i live in kyiv, or in lviv, have they already applied for this job, for this job, for this competition, to pass a special inspection, and then to go to work at their home ? land where there will be a shortage of people who want to live there and

it's good because pro-ukrainian people will go there. i would like to pay attention to this government of ours to have some kind of priority right there , i don't know, to change these positions or get plots of land in crimea, war veterans had military personnel, people who deserve and if they want to live there, of course, and that is theirs, they should have such a chance, and i am absolutely sure that many do not, well, the majority, the vast majority, unlike some other regions. there finally, i would like to remind you of a recent post by denys kazansky, who noted that the problem of speculation on the part of hungary regarding hungarian citizens in zakarpattia could be solved by settling in

transcarpathia, moving to transcarpathia, a certain number of ukrainians who lost their homes, for example yes because of the war in the districts where hostilities are taking place, so that the servicemen are with their families, they say that this would be a certain safeguard, and then the journalist osman pashaev noted that this is a shameful thesis that even , as they say, it is impossible to speak in the ear because it ostensibly, it can be evidence for our european partners that we want to change the ethnic composition of the entire region by internally moving people from other ukrainian regions, mr. serhiy, are these situations not the same, because osman, in principle, i understand his argument, but i don't know what denys meant precisely because of the change in the ethnic composition of transcarpathia well, you know, we don’t have problems with the hungarians in ukraine, we have a problem called urban

yes, and uh, denys kazansky judging by this how much can be reconstructed meant in order to reduce the tools of destructive influence of this friend of putin on the situation in one of the regions of ukraine , how acceptable is it there? is this tool unacceptable, can we consider it? let's translate it to crimea, we are already here, for sure, we are not punishing anyone because you , ukrainian citizens, will be resettled like this, the truth here cannot be found, uh, from what was found, fair or unfair , that's already another question, always denis kazansky aidar, we have a minute left, you have a word, our broadcast is ending little by little. i think that, before saying goodbye to our viewers, i want to say that all these problems

can be discussed and the options for the development of these territories there. when they will be released, but for now, we just have other other goals, other tasks, and i call on everyone to support the armed forces of ukraine, the armed forces of ukraine , and, in particular, to support the beauty of the tatar unit named after namanochikhan, who is fighting as part of the 91st battalion of the toreo landslide, and you can go to my page and other resources and find out how to help the fighters who are from the crimea directly and who want to return. and only thanks to our fighters, and ukrainians, crimeans on everything, including ethnic hungarians, we will return these territories and together on them. the main thing is that among we are not left as collaborators and katsaps. well, my colleagues

on today's broadcast will remind me that serhii danilov, the director of admissions at the center for middle eastern studies, is a guest in our studio, and i thank my co-host and also tree zhdabaev for the fact that we together vera ber is the joint broadcast of the rtr and espresso tv channels for now completed thank you my name is khrystyna yatskiv until new meetings 2 p.m. in ukraine news time on the espresso tv channel in the studio iryna koval