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welcome the program of the ukrainian voice of america service, time, i am its host, ostap yarish the united states is actively considering the possibility of providing ukraine with cluster munitions this was reported by the deputy spokesperson of the white house , andrew bates . are coming from the white house on the eve of the nato summit, let's talk with our journalist yulia yarmolenko yuli i congratulate you so let's talk about cluster munitions in order first, is it worth it anyway expect that they will be provided in ukraine in the near future, what reservations are they also expressing now in this regard, you know, they talked about it with the representative of the us national security council , john kerry ostapa, now the representatives of the white house and the pentagon say that they do not have anything to announce at the moment, but the american media

report that they can such cluster munitions may already be included in the next package of military aid to ukraine from the united states, and this package may be announced literally tomorrow, friday when we talk about these cluster munitions, now kyiv really emphasizes that against the background of the counteroffensive against ukraine, more weapons and more effective weapons are needed, more advanced weapons in particular, and such are long-range missiles, but also these cluster munitions. previously , the united states did not give signals that it may happen later pentagon representative laura cooper said that it may be considered and today when i spoke with john kirma of the us national security council he again did not confirm or deny what may happen or when such a transfer may happen, but he said that the united states and ukraine are in constant dialogue in order to understand what the needs of ukraine are and what the united states can provide. let's listen

to what he told me. to say what i can tell you is all that as we have maintained contact with the ukrainians throughout this war we have developed the kinds of capabilities as the war has unfolded and as their needs and our needs have been frankly speaking were changing from the point of view of the inventory, so we are discussing with the ukrainians a lot of possibilities that they could use in a counterattack and we will see where it will lead ostapa and you said about the concerns, there are really a lot of concerns about the actual use of the use of these cluster munitions 100 countries of the world have signed a pact which prohibits the manufacture, storage , use or transfer of cluster munitions because there are many caveats about how they work they work when they

explode when they fall or touch the ground and there were many cases in history when such munitions did not work and detonated properly after a number of years, which actually caused damage to the civilian population today, the pet trader - this is the pentagon spokesman said that the transfer of newer generation cluster munitions to ukraine, which are safer and if we say so , is now being considered about practices signed by 100 countries , neither the united states nor ukraine nor the russians are signatories of this agreement. it is really interesting and people will follow the announcements of the white house. we also talk a lot about the position of the united states before nato summit in vilnius but i had the opportunity to ask john kirby directly about this, what did he say to you about this position ? do we have any specifics yet ? remains one of those countries or i position the day before nato remains

the least clear and when we talk about what can be the expectations for ukraine today i talked about this with john kerby indeed i asked him a question about whether the united states supports a specific, clear plan for ukraine's accession to nato, and for this to be the beginning of this plan or to lay the foundation for this plan at the nato summit in vilnius, so that there is some really clear plan that ukraine is talking about, and this is how john kerby answered this question to me, we believe that the most important thing is to stay focused on the struggle they are currently waging and look at post-war ukraine, what will be its security needs, what obligations, duties, and obligations can our allies take on to help them stay safe because they will continue to will have a large border with russia, of course. we believe in nato's open door policy, but we also recognize that in order to become

a member of nato, each country must meet certain requirements and that there must be a serious discussion between that country and the alliance. we want to respect this process. that is, you do not do you expect that according to the results ukraine will become closer to nato, i simply will not be ahead of our allies or i will tell you myself that the long-term commitment of ukraine in the field of security will definitely be the topic of ostap's discussions. during this meeting, all the main topics will be discussed and all the main decisions will be made, because we know that in fact, in order to make any decisions within the alliance , a consensus is needed among the 31st members of this association . as for historical parallels are very much now paying a lot of attention, american experts draw attention to the fact that they warn not to repeat the mistakes of the previous bukhara summit in 2008, even when

ukraine and georgia said that these countries would a member of the alliance, but later there were no practical steps, and i directly asked john kirby what the united states and nato countries will do so that these mistakes are not repeated, so that ukraine does not remain, so to speak , in the gray zone of geopolitical a, and so that russia does not try to seize ukraine again and again here's what john kirby said, but i think it's hard to look at what we've done over the past 16 months and say that ukraine is in some gray area. i think that the message sent to mr. putin is loud and clear not only the united states, not only the west, but also the whole world, will continue to support ukraine. very briefly, should we expect a clearer position regarding the timelines for the provision of f-16 or maybe attacks even for ukraine, that all topics related to ukrainian security and short-

term and long-term will definitely be discussed, however in the white house they don't like to rush ahead and don't make any concrete decisions, but we'll see, we'll keep an eye on it and cover it next week too yuliya thank you for your including yuliya yarmolenko joined us from the white house, and the day before white house spokeswoman karidzhan pierre said that ukraine must carry out reforms in order to achieve the same standards as every nato country before joining the alliance, president biden believes that ukraine can do it, the spokeswoman added, however, the ukrainian anti-corruption activist director of the anti-corruption center daria kaleniuk is convinced that despite the fact that a number of internal problems should really be solved in ukraine, this should not stand in the way of a positive decision at the nato summit, the absolute majority

those nato countries that joined this organization after 1997 did not fully meet nato standards , issues of corruption, issues of ineffectiveness of incomplete cooperation with nato were resolved already in the process of these countries joining nato and even after they became members of nato before all these reforms were completed. of course, there are questions for ukraine, there are problems that need to be completed in the form of reforms , including the reform of the defense and security sector , in particular, we as the center, that is, then , we deeply observe corruption and we monitor the situation with defense purchases in our country, but i am very worried that the united states of america is justifying its reluctance to invite ukraine to nato to justify

our lack of reforms, and here we have to separate the flies from the meatballs er geopolitically, the geopolitical readiness of the united states er to invite us to nato and er the need for ukraine to carry out reforms and in place of president zelenskyi in place of the minister of defense i would now do everything possible to explain what, well, listen . we have certain problems. we agree with that there is corruption, there is some inefficiency, but this is what we have done in the last year. and here is what we will do in the coming year . please send your experts, we will work together, but you understand that it

is difficult for us as representatives of civil civil society to protect of ukraine abroad, if every time we take positive steps in the field of transparency, accountability, good governance and anti-corruption , we have to do it from under a stick, we have to first go to pavlik and criticize publicly , but only then, on us react so we would like to go out in public less, we would like to have more constructive cooperation with our representatives of the ministry of defense, in particular, in order for us to completely remove the argument from our partners that ukraine is somehow not ready and in we are not doing reforms, that's why this is the strategy that we need to develop together here, but at the freedom summit

there are definitely no excuses why not to invite ukraine to nato, meanwhile, the foreign ministers of britain and poland advocated the accelerated accession of ukraine to the alliance because, according to them, the ukrainians have already effectively mastered western weapons regarding our hopes for ukraine , the alliance clearly spoke with one voice, we made a statement in bucharest, the future of ukraine in nato, the time for this was never clearly defined, but what we saw and from in the last 16-18 months , the armed forces of ukraine have been developing, adapting and modernizing at an incredible speed , they now have a lot of experience in using standard nato equipment , nato doctrine and nato tactics, planning joining the alliance it will inevitably reduce the time scale on which sweden and finland applied

to join finland has already joined nato was reduced because we recognized that they are military powers with great capabilities i think we should think about this when we discuss what process will be appropriate for ukraine, but i think that we are obliged to recognize how much their military capabilities have improved over the past 18 months, the expressive position of poland is very clear. we want to bring ukraine as close as possible to of the alliance in the institutional dimension to adapt the military-political structures of ukraine to those that are standard in the alliance. if these requirements are met, ukraine's accession to nato will be possible relatively quickly, and we will continue with other topics. on the night of july 6, russia launched a missile attack on lviv . five dead and 40 injured

, this is the largest attack on the city's civilian infrastructure since the beginning of the full-scale russian invasion last month, there were also civilian casualties in kramatorsk lately, in kryvyi rih, kyiv and other cities, air alarms are more frequent at night. because of this, some people wake up and look for the nearest shelter, while others hide at home using the rule of two walls, however, how people adapted their lives to such a regime, maria ulyanovska will tell. they fly from where they fly from russia natalya fedorchenko's family lives in a private house in the suburbs of kyiv on february 22, together with her husband and son , natalya evacuated to the west of ukraine but

later we returned home, i adapted my life to the war, i went to bed every night, it is very tiring to drive, so we decided to go to the subway for missile attacks. eh, since the evening, we already tentatively know the takeoff there, where he is here, 95, which means there will be a missile attack, eh, olzhik already knows, too . he has another pair of pajamas there, he puts them on, we go to bed because we know that we have a plus-minus of 4-5 hours there sleep before the subway ride we fall asleep, and then on the air, on the signal on the phone, we get up, we go because there were definitely starts and we have to go to the little one, we wrap him in a blanket in a sleeping bag in our arms, the man takes him down, puts him in the car, there is always a backpack in the car, in which we have pillows

, i hate them, i will throw them away immediately after this horror, sleeping bags and cots are the reality of ukrainians for the 16th month. information about air alarms is collected and analyzed daily by volunteers of the alarms.in.ua service. according to their calculations, at the end of may 23rd, ukraine had at least 25,442 this is about 2.5 years of continuous sirens, 50 alarms, the largest number of them was cool, it was a figure of 4,000 curves, then gradually this number decreased until july, in july it was already about 1,400 responsible victories per month, and then

the jumps began in a larger and smaller direction and in the spring there was an increase again, compared to 1,500 in the previous months, about 60 lasted a month, then in may this number doubled . above kiev alone, ukrainian air defense shot down more than 250 targets this month , including 169 kamikaze shahed drones, as well as various cruise and ballistic missiles, if we are talking about ukraine, the closer to the country and the belarusian light, the more often and longer they last . in addition, experts noticed that the number of shelling increases on important dates for ukraine. on president zelenskyi's birthday , air alert notifications can be a powerful

tool for minimizing damage during war, american scientists from ibsos company at cherkasy university and of the university of michigan for the first time investigated the effectiveness of the notification system about the air alarm by analyzing anonymous mobile phone data, they tracked how ukrainians react to air alarms and whether they go to shelter, we found out when people start using mobile applications and in many cases look for nearby shelter or stay indoors as long as there is no threat , over time people go to shelters less, they seem to get used to the everyday reality of shelling and missile attacks, potentially because of this number casualties among the civilian population increased by 10-15 5%. the effect of fatigue from anxiety appeared in ukrainians in the third and fourth month after the full-scale invasion, researchers say. and although thanks to the fact that people responded to alarm notifications in time, it was possible to avoid up to

45% of victims, people adapted to the new reality and began to rely on their own ideas about security kyiv match sea by experienced users of various sources of information about alarms, they eavesdrop not only on notifications from mobile applications or city ​​alarm notification systems, they also rely on information from local bloggers who have very localized data , that is why we see, in particular, in kyiv, people began to move less, they got used to the constant presence of war, due to the effect of fatigue from alarms, people began to stay at home more often and use the rule of two walls, although this method cannot save from a direct impact of the debris into the rocket, when it explodes , you immediately read in the chats that there

are explosions in kyiv, there are casualties, it is scary we have such a peculiar schedule: you ate there, brushed your teeth, took a shower, went to work and took the subway during an air attack. you just put it in the schedule. that's why it's physically difficult, but psychologically, we're used to it, so it's a backpack with e- a backpack, socks, with her. she always takes a pair of socks, documents, souvenirs, and a turnstile in case of emergencies. olzhik also has his own backpack with the most necessary things, crackers, a hop topic for natalya, she says that they conscientiously ride the subway because of their son, in fact, they are already there everyone knows each other who goes to this subway quite a lot with children, a lot of people with children, mainly children and

pets, dogs, dogs bring a lot in order to support ukrainian families with children in shelters, the deloed company together with the gennady charity fund collected children's kits for bomb shelters, we divided into a group for preschoolers and schoolchildren, well, we pack toys for kids in ukraine so that they have something to play with during the alarm of the shelters, you see, among other things, the boxes are folded by hand wipes are very important to us, really felt what they do, what they put in these boxes and know that someone will unpack them on the other side of the world. i think it will have more impact on people than just donating money and buying the necessary. i hope it will bring a little peace a little hope and maybe it will make someone smile, this kind of personal help is

part of deloid's annual charity initiative, this time they focused their efforts on helping ukraine, because for many of the company's employees, the war is a personal history, even when we are not in ukraine today it is very important to be able to support her child from a distance, and she is 15 months old, and i thought about these children who are now unable to attend educational institutions, unable to simply spend time with friends and are forced to sit bumshow via maria ulyanovska voice of america and our latest on today is a story about an elderly ukrainian couple who lost their home in north donetsk and

are now waiting out the war in new york . iryna shinkarenko will tell a story from our colleague from the latin american department of the voice of america of the mandoza series. although rockets, shells and changes flew up to a common misfortune, we all lived in a wonderful city on the banks of the donets river, only divine forces conspired to bring ukraine to nothing. they were still with the baby, and the lord so that with such troubles in life, you would not meet a cute suitcase and leave everything there. i only regret the children's

things, more precisely, the photos, now this is everything is in my phones, but i had them in my albums, everything oleg oleg, our neighbor from downstairs asked if i and she stayed in that area because they left the city in their parents' house, but they went not far and she asked if i knew what happened to our apartment and sent a photo that it burned down everything in our house is from the edge, directly to the extremes of the city, so we got more than everyone else in the end . well, when we left, our apartment was completely destroyed. yeah, and we did that

. the older man suggested that we wait at his place when we arrived in the first days from america. they were dragged out, yes, they came out of the basement, yes, they even came in, uh, they even heard that all my friends wanted to buy something, and the saleswoman beat them, i don’t know if the owner is better or not, she gave us something for free. went in to buy something. well, somehow she heard me in english. yes, we protect the money there. how much money was there ? well, it was probably obvious from the appearance. they said that we have something from ukraine

. they didn't even want to go at first. to work if he thinks about us, about his son, about his wife , that we should move to his dangerous job. he said, come in, i will work calmly then sans, but eldesan has two sons, our eldest works here. he studied at the university of chicago. and the younger son works in ukraine in he has a very important role there, he is a patriot, he tries to help ukraine as much as possible , he manages railway passenger rail transport in ukraine, everything is a tow truck, he was involved in evacuation, everything evacuation is on him, even a journalist an honored journalist of ukraine, somewhere in the post russian propaganda, they occupied this city and say that this is a pro-russian place, this is ours

, this is russia, here it was - this is the sakralnivskiy donbas. on the basis of archival documents , what is the end of ukrainian roots, were there any here, someone had a profession there , they remained these 10,000 people less, and 100,000 left because they are not pro-russian , the following pro-ukrainian names i do not know what to say, i only think that i am small and she was, er, she had a perelavysh who chooses, she was lying down, if we had stayed there, she died in the 20th year, then i would not have left her, i would not have gone to the cinema without her, and we burned the photos and

it's good that she didn't see it, because she cried in the 14th year, and the sons persuaded nazhdalyk to get out , and from there in the spring we started from the ramparts. for them lviv-warsaw, we miraculously saved, are grateful to god sincere hearts help on the spot on the new ukrainians provided to us with the support of course america to both friends of other countries we will defeat the enemy i am sure or peace on the planet has come i am not thinking about the future right now as it is now it is as it is there is no past

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a peaceful morning. see you soon . greetings. we are looking for this boy who disappeared in the luhansk region during the occupation under very mysterious circumstances. his name is myshko melnyk. he is only 5 years old, as usual, i immediately want