believe me, it will strengthen. and really, what conflict zones will be additionally created . do you understand that this is also an important issue for us , because, well, let's say that if our eastern border is there, it will always be a point of certain clashes, this is definitely not the best option for the development of ukraine therefore, such discussions can be primarily in the export environment in order to develop a certain vision and possibly help our partners not to be afraid of certain things with a clear explanation of what can happen where and how, but we understand that before that er, it means prigozhyn's march of justice, which he called the perception of russia and putin was one . now it is changing. therefore , this opens a window of opportunity to make the conversation about the future of russia more substantive , including if the scenario is its defragmentation , we will talk about this in particular. well,

justice for the sake of it , it must be said that the supply of weapons to ukraine and military support in the offensive operation in particular continues caliber 155 mm, six vehicles for border protection, two hx81 tractors with an 8x8 wheel formula and two semi-trailers, rockets for the patriot anti-aircraft system, it is worth adding that just the day before, the draft resolution on long-range attack missiles for ukraine was supported by the congress of the united states of america , according to the watchington, posts in the white house has come to the conclusion that it is necessary to significantly strengthen support for ukraine in the coming weeks against the background of the so-called prigozhin rebellion in the russian federation. they say now is the best time to quote press on the gas in the context of aid, end of quote p. roman what do you think these are internal russian events, as

the president of kazakhstan called them when putin turned to him for support, to what extent do they really demonstrate the weakness of the power vertical , to what extent can this be an argument for going over there red the lines that the west was building for itself because of the fear there of putin's reaction in the context of arms supplies to ukraine, mr. roman, i think that this march showed real weakness and i am sure that no one in the west could imagine that in one day it is possible to practically reach moscow and not meet any armed resistance at all , that is, putin is not so all-powerful, putin does not so much control this power vertical that exists in the russian federation and wants the americans now and say that they had intelligence that this march was planned and

had little idea how it would take place, it still seems to me that there is an idea that in the russian federation such a situation is possible in the west, there was no such idea now, it really opens a bridgehead for us for of negotiations with our western and allied states and with the states of the east and with the states of africa that for some reason consider the russian federation to be still a powerful state and we can say that look at what is happening in the russian federation in general and this will help to strengthen our negotiating position with on the other hand, it is necessary to understand that the march happened and it is necessary to turn this page and

move on, talk about the future of the russian federation, talk about how well we are conducting the counteroffensive or what we need in order for this counteroffensive to be much more effective and so on. russian federation . i agree with mr. igor. the state should say that this is not our issue. these resolutions of the congress in the united states of america are based on expert discussion, we have to explain to the citizens of the european union states to the citizens of the united states of america that

we need weapons in order for ukraine won, entered the borders of the year 91 , and such moments have not yet been repeated. if, in the 21st century, we allow one state to attack another state and seize part of its territory, then this will very quickly lead to the third world war and to terrible consequences and if we are parallel, as we conducted it with leopard tanks, and if we manage to conduct it with f16 aircraft, explaining in simple words to ordinary citizens that the f-16 aircraft has not been delivered, this means a large number of victims both among

the ukrainian military and among ukrainians of civilians, and here when we say big well, we also need to start working with numbers, i understand how delicate this issue is, how complicated it is, but the plane that was not delivered in one day is there 10 20 30 50 lives of ukrainian servicemen and 10 20 30 50 lives of civilians who are not participate in this armed conflict, then it will be easier for us to prove the need to obtain these planes, because an ordinary european or an ordinary resident of the state of texas may ask that we have already given a large amount of weapons. so we spent a huge

a bunch of funds to support ukraine the counteroffensive is not happening as quickly as the mass media promised us, so maybe we need to stop supporting ukraine and here we must say that there is no delay for one day of life and you should defend our position , gentlemen. let's talk about what is possible and what is really feared and western society that puts pressure on its politicians who make these decisions. actually, it is possible that the politicians themselves are afraid of something, they are afraid of some kind of reaction from russia. unexpected although what could be more unexpected there than the blowing up of the hydroelectric power plant or now the threat of an explosion at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant? what is going on in the minds of our western partners at the time when we tell them , please, give us f-16 planes , give us there

attacks, and they are probably scrolling through their heads in their heads about the future and future variants of events, in particular, and the russian reaction, how can they imagine it , what are our partners afraid of ? they approach it as pragmatically as possible. well, look, we are at 16 - it is not only to come to the supermarket, take it from the shelf and hand it over, yes, it is a product or product. that they want to transfer to us, that is, now what is the netherlands saying there , yes, they have made a decision to speed up what to write off in 16, because they are switching to the f-35 , for example, this is one approach, you have to go through it all, you have to write it off further, they can’t to give us in 16 until they receive in 35 because if they give us planes

, it means that they are making education more dangerous for their directly citizens. they take this into account well, because you really said a lot that russia could go there yes , theoretically there, for example, from the united states, which stated that the use of tactical nuclear weapons by russia there is unlikely yes well , they probably still know when they do similar things statements and then our partners yes of course, there is internal and certain competition. so someone wants to use this situation in order to get something for themselves . well , you don't have to go far, it can be hungary. to get in 16 well, they generally aimed at the 35th, but they are already ready to conduct this dialogue because even the question of sweden's membership is a question that is used as a certain card that they want to play, so there can be quite a lot of influences further on.

there may still be competition. well, maybe not in the matter of the f-16, but in the matter of the manufactured supply of weapons between different corporations that do that and between different countries . that this production is there in their corporation, which is folded, then the provision to ukraine is the same. look, if there are two corporations, one is located there in one country, and the other is in another, they compete with each other. everyone wants to take it there for themselves in fact, it is affected by many factors and it is not only a question of how russia will react, but we, this is good, this is a good trend , after all, we are already moving away from this as much as possible, because before, well, it was one of the first. and as for defragmentation of the russian federation or, accordingly, its disintegration , what can they be afraid of, firstly, the economic effect, firstly, it is a crisis

, there is a civil war, a huge territory, it is the same effect on the oil and gas markets. respectively, although president zelenskyy asked barkhat to strike the harder, the more effect it would have, and then there is the question of control , who will exercise control. a peacemaker, that is, there are a lot of them, and the most important thing is the effect on prices on the market, this is a serious crisis and that may arise accordingly. influence on the same putin or make the transit transit according to the authorities and get some kind of agreement that is more capable but able to control the situation so that it does not lead to the point of bifurcation when these processes they go completely uncontrolled therefore and in the supply

of weapons, this is all eh-e analyzed everything is studied, yes, all of them are calculated, all potential risks are calculated, starting from the actual wallet of the citizen, because let's not forget that the decision will be made by the politicians. that 's right, the politician is dependent on what loterial mood, therefore, it is also related, it is also all calculated and ultimately affects the speed , yes, it affects the architecture of the solution itself, so many factors influence it, mr. romany , but there is one more factor, which he remembers and talked about a lot before in particular, in the context of providing ukraine with long-range weapons. after the transfer of long-range charm-shed missiles by the united kingdom of ukraine , the issue of the transfer of american attack missiles to ukraine should have been accelerated. recently , president biden said that this issue is still in the game of cyto, but now the congress means that both parties have passed a resolution that the provision of such missiles to ukraine, and i remember earlier

they constantly said that they were afraid of what the western media wrote about what the white house said was afraid that ukraine would launch strikes on the territory of the russian and the russian federation with such long-range missiles, and this will, they say, be the direct involvement of the north atlantic alliance in how much this war has evolved. the obstacle is the fear that the next attack could fly abroad already in the 1991 year of ukraine. well, it seems to me that we should use the tools provided by international law. the border of the 91st year of ukraine well, it seems to me that the documents that provide international law and this is the largest , respectively, two expectations, which i think

will also be discussed by biden , respectively, and by sunek, and what will happen. well, plus the supply of weapons, you asked, they will definitely discuss it not only in in the context of the attacks, because nato is preparing for vilnius the largest packages of military and technical assistance for ukraine, so i think this will also be on the negotiating table, we will hope for it , it remains only to wait and watch for our partners, what is the delay every day in this ukraine, whose armament is it is needed for the successful liberation of its territories , it is equivalent to the daily deaths of dozens of soldiers and dozens of civilians , adults and children, please do not forget about this and make correct and quick decisions ihor petrenko, a political scientist, was with us. thank you, thank you