[000:00:00;00] an article from one of our fellow european parliamentarians, where he is very clear, again, uh, he says everything about everything, with accents. how should europe help ukraine, as a european audience , the western european is now accepting arguments that ukraine needs constant support , what arguments do they respond to, they respond to uh terrible photo and video when another russian missile hits a residential building in ukraine, do they react to numbers and facts or do they react to a cold analyst , what does the western e-e reader, viewer, react to? no you lived. i'm not an analyst of the western, er, western media, but all these crimes of russia are repeated once a week. that's at least . so people are already used to it, alas, they're used to it

. well, a rocket hit the house, they killed a few people. well, that's already happened. last week, and for the western audience, this is already becoming the new normal , how to say eh numbers, but numbers are scary numbers , again, you get used to them too, so i have such a nervousness , that's why they start they think too they always thought that the price of fuel in italian and the gas station is becoming more important to them and i can't judge them for that , they have never lived near russia. well, how can such a portuguese or spaniard understand what russia is like, i just happened to be in in italy, there is some kind of protest, people walk with red flags of the soviet union, but they don't understand, they are some kind of naive, such fools

. i would say so, they have never lived near russia, they have never been killed by russia, not occupied by russia. how do they understand this? and when we are the name then we talk, but they don't listen, they nod, but they still don't understand, so i think that after the war there will be new blocs even within the european union , new blocs that will be either around ukraine , around this new bloc that many, many people are talking about, ukraine, poland , the baltic countries of great britain and and maybe there will be another blog of those who think well, it's old people in europe, it doesn't concern us , and it's probably normal for us, as i said , they're going to judge them, that is, but we know what we're doing, we know what we're fighting for together with you and we will continue this. that's the same thing, that's the most important thing, but

no one doubts the victory in lithuania. we are meeting with you today on the basis of the united e-e twenty 4 platform, which is a ukrainian fundraising platform. on the collection of funds, including from abroad, under the patronage of the president of ukraine, how did you get into this company , it is thanks to your projects, the custodian , it is a project with marine drones, when president zelensky announced that it is necessary to collect money we were them on sea drones of the first who answered because we had money, we were collecting money for putin's birthday, this is one day. you collected it as a gift and were waiting for a good gift to give him. i think that the sea drone that will potentially hit the roshen ships is a very good gift, and then we collected money for two

more drones. so, ah, and now they brought another $250,000 loan to kyiv for the needy and even a hundred dollars, so we, as donors , have now sent about a million dollars on the youth form, well, this is also not the end, i am sure the new initiative and lithuanian people will be connected. what do you personally feel when you finish the next big collection, when you propose another project , what do you think of ukraine? why do you treat us like that personally, you know when we finish er, some kind of fundraiser. i have two minutes of such a handicap that it was successful, and we immediately start thinking about something else, how else

can we help, because ukraine is for me. it's so natural, and how can we be otherwise and when i see that tens of thousands of people in lithuania are connecting to us, and you understand that everything if we had such a problem, ukraine came to help us, that's because now that's what we're going through. i think it will unite our nations forever. i think 5-6 is

the best result we can expect кроме победы и праздников киев, our future victory. i am very grateful to you for your position. today we talked with a great friend of ukraine, a journalist from lithuania, anders tapinos . thank you very much. and about what needs to be outlined and built on june 26, speaking in the parliament on the occasion of the 27th anniversary of the adoption of the constitution of ukraine, the president outlined the proposal of the ukrainian doctrine, he announced the main

orientations related to various spheres of life of the state and society and proposed them for nationwide discussion , this is the column, the emphasis is on my name, oleksiy fadeev. and today we will agree to the proposal of the head of state and try to discuss some aspects of the state cultural policy. well, we will talk about them , of course, with oleksandr tkachenko, minister of culture and information policy of ukraine . good evening. minister, good evening , thank you for your time, ah, to the ukrainian studio for your time, it's nice, minister, first, the first thesis that we chose, and there are about three of them, which our editorial group, in our opinion, relates directly to culture and the cultural sphere , the first thesis and it sounds new for ukrainians, this is the culture of heroes , what is culture. a kind of teaser of the doctrine that is currently being written and will be presented for discussion, one of the main

focuses was including the issue of culture. usually we talk about culture somewhere in the last lines, but the fact that at least one fact the president said that on culture should be allocated 1% of gdp is already worth a lot because the understanding of what culture is for us during the war and unfortunately it has come so to speak now because it does not include identity because it is not just a war for identity it is war for what unites us for what for what we pass on from the past to the future in relation to the cultures of heroes , er, this is a wide spectrum, which, including a-a , also speaks about how we can honor heroes, because all these post-soviet ceremonials, so to speak traditions tank unknown soldiers they must be rethought when we talk now about the pantheon of heroes or the memorial to the heroes of the russian-ukrainian war and consult

with our western colleagues, they always start us with the phrase do not repeat soviet monuments therefore, this is the first aspect, the second aspect is the same the establishment of museums dedicated to the russian-ukrainian war , including memorials in the regions, is also a reflection that will allow us to take a new look at how we honor heroes. this is definitely a veteran policy. this involvement of veterans in work and in creative industries and in culture and mental health , as well as our awareness of what modern heroes are for us are not heroes of the second world war with all due respect to previous soldiers and those who live and unfortunately die now these days and one more concept or a new object, at least the term a-a, how it sounded to me is the pantheon, a hero, is it

figuratively or literally, that is, is it something virtual or absolutely real object like , for example, the french pantone in paris it a real object that must be created and one task that became the president is also the transfer of the ashes of those outstanding figures of ours, starting from yaroslav the wise mazepa and ending with the heroes of the liberation warriors from the 19th to the 19th and 20th centuries, and to ukraine, we roughly understand even a place for this pantovan of heroes, i would like to say it immediately to the place of burial , this is the place of commemoration of the historical heroes of ukraine

dies and i had a question in advance because it is logical if you mention the french pantheon, it means that the heroes are only our soldiers who are now fighting and protecting us and not only us , but also outstanding figures well, for example, shevchenko should be in the pantheon of heroes of franko lesya ukrainka who are located on the territory of ukraine, we have tarasova gora yes, we have a nature reserve they must remain in their place yes yes we are talking about those who are not now historical figures and we are talking about modern heroes also and by the way the interdepartmental commission with the return of the ashes of prominent ukrainians, yes, it was founded in the 17th year, it seems according to onyshchuk’s plan. and what is its fate now that it is working, it exists in our work even before the war and during the war, we continued together with our specialists from reserves so that we could return the ashes of certain people on the territory of ukraine is a difficult process from the point of view, for example, if we talk about the remains of yaroslav the wise, there is a whole detective

story related to where they are , the need for an examination to to finally establish that these are the same remains. and just like permits for exhumation and reburials, this is a process, it will not happen tomorrow, but it will definitely happen except purely in the material, so you said the pantheon is an object other than purely material forms, which are not material forms, but within the framework everywhere the arrival is in the prism of the politics of the heroes, we have to develop new traditions, maybe, well, you know, like the day of remembrance in israel, or there is a memorial there, and in the united states, something like that, something similar , some new well, i don't want to say rituals, but some new ways of thinking it's called rema so dear yes, of course, the ceremony, in addition to traditions, new and new understanding of the actual nature of the honoring of heroes , it's content production, it's a movie, it's a book, it's theater

productions, it's musical works, it's an opportunity to promote us as a nation of heroes in the world and the creation of such content is a separate layer that we are paying attention to, and now there are processes and the creation of new series of documentary films, and there are new exhibitions, new expositions dedicated to the russian-ukrainian war, and they are definitely they look different because of the awareness of the understanding that we cannot repeat all the traditions of the soviets, and the first examples of this kind of exposition already exist , including it travels around the world, we will see an analogue of hbo, brothers in arms about ukraine, we will see an analogue of hbo, and game of thrones is about kievan rus ah, well, first of all, there were already such works, but it is obvious that they are not enough, and that is why when the president talks about the need to attract funds, it is also

the attraction of funds not only from the state, but also from private individuals, i mean from private companies, because before the war there were certain reservations, so to speak, about how and in what way to attract private funds , for example, the preservation of ukrainian heritage, but this is a european tradition, and castles can be rebuilt not only at the expense of the state and should be rebuilt not only at the expense of the state , the involvement of private investments in the creation of museum collections should also be legalized and many other things when the state will cooperate with private investors within the limits of the state or private partnerships or other forms of cooperation, because without private interests, we will not receive the kind of investment that is needed in culture in the field of heritage preservation . well, there is another form of cooperation with private investors and in the west it is definitely britain , for example, it uses this concession scheme

when e-e investor is given ownership , at least for some time, e-e object public -private partnership has several forms, it is either a joint activity or a concession regime or public-private, so to speak, other forms the attraction of these investments is definitely not excluded, it is necessary to do the same as to create platforms and infrastructure in order for culture to live, it is not so much about the reconstruction of soviet clubs or libraries as it is about the creation of modern multifunctional public spaces where people could be involved in consumption of culture and that the most important thing is to create and such public spaces usually need only small subsidies or from local budgets or they are national and we know according to the examples regarding the war, they reached self-sufficiency, which is important. and i correctly understand that exactly some of what you said

was meant by the president when he spoke about a new approach to the development of the territory. and we need what kind of territories? yes, it is undisputed that it is also temporarily occupied that two aspects did not fall there, it is unquestionably a public space in the territories, because there are examples of many leading countries when you can walk through the city and come from one public space to another, in fact, all the first floors have access to access, if we are talking about big cities, for the community, if we are talking about towns or small cities, these are actually points of unity of the community where they can gather to discuss certain problems and, most importantly, to create, there should also be services for them, service services that they can get and a- but the development of the territory is not only about public spaces, it is also about attention to the occupied territories, attention to those territories that we have to de-occupy and the creation

of separate programs of interaction between, for example , western and eastern ukraine, when the question arises for example, managers and the development of those narratives that we can use during the de-occupation because the population that was under occupation for a certain time and we can see on the example of the kherson region how it is grateful to those of our teams who come and help those institutions which provide passive assistance in order to renew the work of cultural institutions in the acquired territories and these are separate programs of interaction with cooperation in the cultural field, in what sense does such a region need special programs, special approaches, but it is not means that they need to wear two buckets on their heads instead of one, and simply that there is already a demand, we are convinced of this these days and in those territories where there are ongoing

military operations nearby, for example , our teams started traveling to the donetsk region, and we see how grateful and involved and viewers of these territories when, for example, artists from kyiv come to them, that is, a separate issue is definitely information security and also libraries, because when we talk about the library sphere, we have millions of books published since the soviet union and we are talking about it is necessary to attract billions of funds in order for us to replace er soviet literature of modern ukrainian literature with ukrainian -language literature in translation because the first thing they do er and we have seen is that the occupiers are one of the first rivers of er things they undoubtedly establish their speech or when they leave they destroy our television towers, but they also throw out ukrainian-language books from the library. yes yes. and what is the state of the ukrainian

book industry ? arsenal book fair recently took place. this is incredible for a country where there is war, you know the americans there our mcdonalds post on social networks and say, oh, what a war there is, it’s calm, they would still see the book arsenal, we have such a program, a book for the front, this is quite a significant moment, there are books for children and books for our immigrants both inside the country and abroad, but this is a special special format and we personally saw with my own eyes with what joy our fighters accept the books that are brought to them, they even question any books and not just any books, primarily books in the ukrainian language , modern books about business and classical literature and this is one of the first signs that distinguishes our armed forces from er russian aggressors, and er the industry is definitely er the market

has slumped quite a lot and books and shops need separate help and there is a law passed for this and their you need it, you just need to implement it, the same program was very successful before there are certificates, and the first place was the actual consumption of books, there are books , and this program of certificates should be launched so that, firstly, the consumer gets the opportunity to buy, and secondly, this financing of our publishing houses, their capabilities, and it is definitely a tradition of reading, because a person who reads is not only more educated, he is more erudite, he is more intelligent, he increases his own value, and the demand for reading has increased tremendously, and a separate aspect here is definitely children's literature, as well as and children's cartoons. because this whole plast , so to speak, is russian-speaking, the sphere

of using literature or video must be replaced.

the conditions when ukrainian modern literature is turbulent, but still, the initial development we have to take place in the future, western books are conventionally from the civilized world in the ukrainian language , why not western cinema? subtitles well , first of all, i would like us to realize that a--a draft law regarding the wider use of the english language. it concerns only such a small part of the aspect that all became interested in the main emphasis is placed on teaching and learning, and on the introduction of norms and the creation of a network of training courses so that adults can also join the study of the english language , on the existence of certain requirements for civil

servants and other people who receive budget funds in order for them to learn the english language and the reason is quite simple, we increase our own value, people who know english communicate freely , are treated with the world and cost. opening for us of a much wider world that speaks english and this world is extremely interesting because it is not the russian world and there is a lot of useful things in it that we can use, including the consumption of a-a cultural products only a small aspect is devoted to undoubtedly a- and the question in cinemas, uh, there are various examples in europe , how this issue is resolved. or are films not dubbed with subtitles shown ? this contributes to an undeniably better study

of the english language. examples of when er-e must be obtained, for example, children's er -e works, this is definitely a matter for discussion, and besides, the horse has not been told anything about what we are already planning , and it is also about certificates for visiting and cinemas in english. oh, but i think that as a result of the discussion, we will find an acceptable formula regarding doblez, but the legend that this will kill ukrainian dubbing is incorrect, because a significant part of the orders to the beach, 50-60%, are currently received by our dubbing companies from ottp platforming yes, from the streaming of netflix platforms, etc., therefore, i think that this issue is definitely resolved in an acceptable, civilized way . in addition, i would like to emphasize that this issue so far was only an initiative

. another thesis that was voiced by the president is that ukrainian culture is an export industry , and what does it currently consist of and what is the volume of ukrainian cultural exports today, first of all, i am very glad that they started to sound such phrases as the export industry to the sphere of culture, creative industries are also included, this is design, this is photography , and audiovisual production itself, and the demand for ukrainian culture is extremely great . - and it is counted in thousands. and this is only in europe . there has never been such a boom and demand for ukrainian culture. a significant part of these performances

is of a charitable nature, but it is definitely for at this time, connections are established, new opportunities for collaboration are established for joint projects that have extremely serious economic potential in the future , and we have someone to produce these products, and people who are currently involved in the cultural sphere are learning to cooperate with our western partners and the demand for what we can produce is and i think that it will be calculated in billions of dollars, but in the modern world of information, such collaboration, such contacts can take place without the participation of the state, what role do you see we promote the state, and in particular the ministry of culture, we help when they contact us, we find opportunities to provide free platforms for the same ukrainian

designers through our partners, but the main thing is that we have to create the conditions in which way to attract western investments. the same system of rebets so that there were e-e platforms for it would be possible to create ukrainian films and that is, the state should be what it should be a service for people who create, including from the point from the point of view of education and not only those who are directly creative people, but if it is important culture managers because this is too scarce a profession ukrainian culture is known in the world or became known recently i think the fact that in america kuindzhi aviazovsky and i were called ukrainian artists and this realization is coming now no one doubts about

kazimir malevich and leads him to other avant-garde artists who belong to the ukrainian school, but we should also expand this range to talk about the fact that gogol is a russian-ukrainian writer, but he was born in ukraine, just like chekhov, who recognized himself as a little russian and talked about how he did things in a ukrainian city. so, and uh, we have to say the same thing to spread the truth, for example, about the ukrainian shot dead revival, uh, this the galaxy of ukrainian artists was destroyed by the soviet system in the 1920s and 1930s, and they undoubtedly belong to the heritage of the heyday of ukrainian culture, in which way should we speak to the world? for all this, that is, not so. this is ukrainian culture . i mean that what is considered uh . they just talked about what was stolen

in ukraine, what was considered russian, but it became more than purely ukrainian artists and i don't know writers in cultural figures and cultural figures are two different aspects. it's one thing to talk about what really belongs to us, so that they try to appropriate, so to speak, including ancient russian history, and it's another matter . the most important thing is what we can talk about to produce content that will be demanded by the audience, and this also means theater productions and concerts, and this is the main aspect of the fact that in addition to the past, we will talk about the future, and when we speak , this phrase is the past for so we must preserve the heritage and shout and beat in all the bells and whistles about the fact that the ukrainian heritage is being looted and destroyed and we need to restore it, but also the rethinking of this heritage, including about modern expositions well, because

it cannot happen like that local history museums in the regions you will see approximately the same expositions and people should want to go to these museums, they should be educational spaces, including for people , that is why the president spoke about the russian museum of the russian-ukrainian war and we already know a lot of initiatives on the ground, i will not spoiler but there is one very interesting initiative that we are developing from the kharkiv region regarding the transformation of one of the museums into a museum of the russian-ukrainian war . year, i remember that there were local history museums in different cities, towns, and even sometimes in villages, there was more shevchenko, an effigy climbed on the head, and there was some cliff on a stone of a primitive man, sometimes it will be the same and i think that it will be, we will not repeat the same