[000:00:00;00] to strengthen the armed forces of ukraine during the counteroffensive oleksandr musienko, head of the center for military and legal studies, joined freedom of the morning i welcome you to our broadcast i welcome you, but i want to ask you about cluster munitions we still do not officially know for 100% whether they are really broadcast, however , first in the media this information appeared, and it seems as if the negotiations are going on about this, and how it will strengthen the ukrainian army, in which battles , for example, where specifically can the armed forces of ukraine use them, they can use them, in principle, wherever there is concentration of the enemy's manpower, first of all, and not only live, but also, in principle, the technique of lightly armored equipment. depending on the type of projectiles of its caliber. actually, uh, and capabilities , but in principle, a fairly wide range of uses, the peculiarity is precisely that it can act against protected positions of the enemy where the enemy builds certain

positions of trenches for his infantry and so on. and in principle , to counteract this is a plus in open areas of the terrain, that is, the peculiarity of cluster e-e ammunition is that they, unlike mark ordinary projectiles that actually have a high-explosive high-explosive principle of action, their principle of fragmentation is manifested in the fact that the corresponding , well, smaller elements that are cassettes directly and in the cassettes contain these shrapnel, explosive substances that cause additional the destruction and damage of manpower is primarily what it is designed for, and this is a weapon that can be used to provide a fire shaft, that is, to strike at squares where positions may be the enemy for the purpose of faster, let's say, destruction and neutralization, the general staff is currently reporting heavy battles

in the direction of bakhmut, in particular, they say that the village of boron had partial success and are entrenched in the area of ​​klitschivka in the direction of bakhmut. to say this also applies in general to what we see under bakhmut, this is also the counteroffensive of ukrainian forces. well , i will mention here zelensky, who commented on the slowness of the counteroffensive, but the effectiveness i have to say that this is what we see under bakhmut, this is also a counteroffensive, and this is a decisive action and role, because i want to remind you that even earlier, a few months ago , active offensive actions were conducted there by russian troops and ukrainian forces were on the defensive and under the threat of the encirclement in general, and now the situation is the opposite, that is, now we see that the ukrainian forces are pushing back the positions of enemy troops in the bakhmut area in the south, if we are talking about

the pincers, and also in the north from the flanks, with the aim of actually conquering the dominant heights that are there there is the location of artillery and the possibility of defeating the further position of the russian troops. well, advancing further to ensure the advance of our forces. of course, this advance is somewhat slower than someone might imagine. well, simply because russia is transferring reserves and because they are putting up quite serious resistance and how and in the south it is all going on with serious battles . but i will say that, in principle, as soon as we receive information, official reports about the practical conquest of the heights around the tick, optimism will become even greater because this opens a direct path actually to the liberation of bakhmut and nearby settlements, and this seems to me to be a very good prospect. and when this happens, i think it should inspire our partners even more

to provide ukraine with even more weapons, because i want to remind you that bakhmut is still after all, it also has a symbolic meaning, this is a settlement that many people in the world know about, which many world media wrote about and wrote in the context that ukraine could lose it, that there are heavy battles, and now that the course of events has turned, i think that and will be a demonstration of the forces of the ukrainian army to turn the situation around, because we are really demonstrating serious successes. of course, the general staff knows this as best as possible . on the battlefield, the initiative is in the hands of ukraine. they say that russia is forced to withdraw about the slow progress. and how does it work in practice when both fighters and experts say that russia has more ammunition

than manpower in such conditions when the enemy seems to have more resources and it is possible to take the initiative. well, it has already happened to us that these are already such conditions that we are fighting against an enemy that has superior forces, otherwise it will not be easy, it is necessary to understand and well, that is how it happened and that is why, in principle , we prevail at the expense of i can we can say that we prevail due to better planning of the operation due to the use of flank attacks due to greater creativity due to the fact that the greater decentralization of the control system is transferred as much as possible to the military administration greater autonomy for the activities of individual units on the ground speed of maneuverability and of course self-sacrifice in the fight morale morale and heroism of our units this is what can be attributed to our strengths provided that if we really had more weapons according to the message of the deputy

minister of defense of ukraine, ms. malyar , they were hit and six warehouses were destroyed in the past day with enemy ammunition. i just want to cite the statistics if we had f16 and additional carriers and, for example, rockets, attacks from such warehouses could be 60, and this is no exaggeration, and it would certainly speed up our offensive actions, because despite the fact that the enemy has more directional areas, he has a numerical advantage , but you understand that if they were to starve of shells due to the destruction of these warehouses, they simply would not managed to get a lift, it would normally speed up our advance. so this is another strong argument in favor of the f16 . blomber also wrote that the ukrainian tank fleet at the beginning of the great war grew at the same time as the russian tank fleet was halved. can you imagine whether in the near future the situation may develop such that and when the western partners

decide to provide more assistance, when the issue of providing f-16 for ukraine is resolved, what will be the parity of certain forces and where are such prospects for parity and maybe for increasing a- and there may be certain military equipment of ukraine, we can really say that russia has already lost a lot of tanks and of course they will deconserve the t-54 t-55 and of course they still have them there, but we see that despite everything they continue to lose them. so it is possible to say that the trends are before that. and to renew it, to renew it, it takes years, that is, we are not even talking about a year, it is 5-7 or 9-10 years, provided there are no sanctions that the nuclear power plant will work, but you understand that in order for us to come out, we don’t even need to retest we are the advancing side. we need more. and so, when they talk about what , for example, the commander of the armed forces

of the british headquarters in the radakhin border says that russia can still produce about a million shells a year, and that is much less than it could before it is certainly good they are running out, but our partners from the eu promised us that they would lose somewhere around a million shells a year, and there should be at least one and a half million. i am not talking about two , then we will have an advantage, and these are the decisions that i have now seen. the eu adopts when additional funds are allocated to increase production. this is something that can be positively welcomed , that is, an increase in production . by the ukrainian defense industry. that is, there will be certain steps because we need not to achieve parity, but to achieve a greater number of certain forces and means, and

imagine what is paradoxical, but we are already doing it. of troops, which on the eve of a full-scale invasion was greater in all numbers and directions. yes, this is indeed the case, and we continue to observe such analyzes and, of course, the actions of international of partners, volodymyr zelenskyi is currently attending many meetings that can probably lead to an increase in the provision of the necessary weapons to ukraine oleksandr musienko, head of the center for military and legal research , visiting svoboda morning zelenskyi’s visits and what they can give ukraine why are they taking place on the eve of the summit nato, is there a connection here and er also what other important meetings are to be held today volodymyr zelenskyi let's talk further viktoriya vdovichenko associate expert of the council foreign policy of the ukrainian prism joined the freedom of the morning i welcome you victoria on our broadcast thank you for joining and

i want to ask you immediately if there is a connection between these international trips of volodymyr zelenskyi, now we already know about bulgaria , we know about the czech republic and zelenskyi has to meet with rzhep and by ipom ertogan is it a coincidence that all this is happening on the eve of the nato summit? well, first of all , i congratulate the studio. of course, this is not a coincidence. this is actually a good advocacy and absolutely logical strategic trip. or rather trips in this case, what is bulgaria, what is the czech republic, what is very important , turkey today, these are the countries that, in the first place, it is bulgaria and turkey, we are talking about black sea security on the eve of vilna , that is where the czech republic is one of the nato members, also on the eve of vilna, we are also meeting with leaders and heads of parliaments and prime ministers, as in some countries

it will happen and it is extremely important for the free self, i will start by saying that the meetings are very important, but let's look at them in a certain way, let's say certain intermediate ones the results we have on the eve of the next time, first of all bulgaria - it is really important to emphasize that according to the results of the bilateral meeting with the visa -free prime minister of the republic of bulgaria nikola m. demkov, a joint declaration on the euro-atlantic integration of ukraine and bulgaria was actually signed, one of 22 countries who formalized this support for ukraine's membership in the alliance, this is incredibly important because it also speaks of there are such english terms of former coal, that is, a coalition of those countries that advocate that ukraine will continue to promote its interests in a different format

, in fact there is no final communique or position yet, we know that the president and prime ministers and vice prime ministers are currently working on this, so we don't know yet that what format will be expected as we say and as a result or conclusion what will it be but not in vilnius that is but bulgaria is one of the countries that, i will remind you in the 22nd year, did not allow volodymyr zelenskyi to make an appeal to the parliament according to the bulgarian 13 and well let's say that this visit was important strategically in a certain way, despite these emotional comments that hmmm volodymyr zelenskyi were absolutely logically and fairly said in the context that in ukraine there are conflicts very often, the rhetoric of some state politicians and some diplomats even says that you need to speak absolutely directly and frankly about the fact that in our

country there is a war, we need help and we are the one who provides precisely and we help to build a new e-e security architecture of the european directly well and accordingly we will ensure the security of the euro-atlantic space, and it is important to talk about what from bulgaria directly, if let's stop at this country, and the packages of the same cooperation in the defense sector were signed , in a certain way, what is important for us is in the communique, which says that the bulgarian the party welcomes ukraine's aspiration to advance on the path to euro-atlantic integration, first of all, with regard to how ukraine is already compatible with nato, this is important to say not only to us ukrainians or ukrainian experts, but it is necessary and important that there are few western or european partners

with mustaches. to be precise , i want to ask the same. about grain, is it possible that there will be a conversation about the prospects of ukraine in nato, and i think that there is definitely a third, uh, very important sensitive factor , yes, well, it should also be said that this issue was raised on the agenda and visits to bulgaria and so on to the czech republic and, accordingly, so on to turkey, of course, the famous green will yes, which is very sensitively manipulated by the russian side, leaving or entering in quotation marks, will be the first point of the negotiating agenda, let's say, but once again i say the security of the black sea region, according to the restoration and normalization relations , as well as the threat that we have now , not zaporizhzhia npp - these are three key aspects

that will be discussed, we really do not know what the position of the turkish authorities will be put forward directly regarding the fact that turkey will not support ukraine in nato, but how quickly it wants to see ukraine there as a partner, but we will expect that our ukrainian side will still convince us that this is important, and hmm, we don't know yet and how will this meeting end, or just a joint press conference , which is very well, let's say the expected is foreseen or some kind of joint document, which i predict will be more focused on how cooperation will be and the support of the turkish side will be precisely in in the context of the grain agreement, but regarding turkey's position and turkey's position in relation to ukraine in nato, here we will see, everything really depends

on what negotiating positions the two sides will meet with today. ukrainian prism was a guest of our broadcast, thank you, and then we want to talk about a fairly sensitive topic, which we talked about at the beginning and announced it, so join in the comments without fail with with their thoughts on this matter, now the further they return from the front, the more and more soldiers with injuries, they are without limbs on prostheses, and it is among the military in social networks that people do not understand how to react to a military injury, some look away , are ashamed. and some are ashamed of their actions or even inappropriate questions simply offends the soldiers. so how should you react if you meet a soldier with a prosthesis, how to explain to children why a person has an iron arm or leg and how to thank them

so as not to offend, as the soldiers themselves do not feel uncomfortable or do you know the answers to these questions ? you can write all these questions. we also asked people on the streets of kyiv, lviv and dnipro . everything well, we ourselves were left without a home, the displaced themselves, too, you run like this, but it's usual to react further and not show your regret, yes, that's what we have , well, the society should be adapted, that you are me i see a military man's snoring is obvious on the street, well, probably like most people, i feel ashamed that i can't do more recently, i literally read what is needed. well, you can nod your head and do something. at the moment, i don't react in any way, but i need to address them somehow attention i think that some courses are needed because i don't know how to deal with such people

so that they react because i think that it is not necessary to hang out in them first of all, so i think that it is so to be included in them but i think that if passing by tell him for example i wish health so it will be a good sign of attention if any what if the social situation is such that today it will be perceived as well something uncomfortable about it everyone has some separate internal boundaries that's why someone else's attention will probably be superfluous so probably uh-uh we have symbols which we can thank the military , so it is probably enough to use it in order to express something. you see, even people on the streets of ukrainian cities shared their thoughts and showed that someone there with a certain

symbol expresses their respect and gratitude to of the ukrainian military, please continue to write in the comments what you think about this matter, and then we will talk about it on the air of svoboda ronok. roman kashpur , a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, and inna chernenko, a military psychologist, a psychiatrist, have joined. i congratulate you, ladies and gentlemen. thank you for joining for such an important event. conversations that have matured in society and i want to ask roman, first of all, because roman, you have a prosthesis and you probably know in practice what these looks or looking away are, and how children probably react, that's all for now let's sort it out in general. can you tell me how acute this topic really is for the military? is it a mass misunderstanding on the part of civilians, how to properly behave around a wounded military man, what is appropriate to ask, what is inappropriate to

ask . i was worried about how it happened to me, yes, that is , er, yes, yes, this is how i was brought up, since the first grades of school, and so . how my parents raised me, yes, this is a matter of etiquette, that is, to come and help in case of any of necessity, that is, you know how to put the main emphasis on it, uh, stare, or there , well, ask, tell, well, this is already a personal matter for everyone, that is, if the wheelchair person wants to, she will definitely bend down at the moment of the discussion of the trailer, she will talk. what about the question , of course, there were what why was it necessary well and now what will you do well since you are on a prosthesis and so on what i always repeat repeat well i made my choice i knew how it could end and actually now well no no no i am not denying myself anything i live fully, that is, if you take it for granted what i was doing when i was pulling a plane or when i was running a marathon, that is, nadiya people say that

they don't do that with their limbs, that's why actually, to put some emphasis on it, something, something, something, something, something , approach, impose your help, you don't need of course, everything needs to be observed and this is already the question here, as i see it, the question is for inna, and do the military approach you with such problems, what problems do they see here and how do they see their communication with civilians? good day , studio. yes, we are approached periodically soldiers on prostheses, but to us as psychiatrists, the first reason for contacting the majority is chronic pain or phantom pains that can quite often accompany our soldiers. well, as for communication, in principle , the military perceive the civilian population as absolutely normal, and they are happy to call for help if, well, a civilian wants to help a military person and , in principle, such friendly relations are enough , in addition, there are cases when

a military serviceman really has some kind of prosthesis, for example , such chronic fatigue, that's why the civilian population should also understand that a person can simply be physically tired and exhausted and once again with their suggestions and advice not to get into the private life because this is really the personal space of a military person and if he wants, he can ask, we can only be attentive to such a person, and in the event of a military serviceman's need, we can simply help him, and in his course to impose ourselves with proposals, well, it is extremely undesirable, because we really do not fully understand what other issues a military serviceman may have about which he would like, but he did not want to say here , not only the lack of an ending, there may be other personal such experiences, worries, which we can simply

irritate a military man or even , well, upset him another time or fail to recommend something to him, the novel is again from practice and how to do or wait when a military man with a wound there on a prosthesis or on crutches asks for help there to hold the door, maybe it will be inconvenient for him to do it if i want to do it a civilian is there seeing probably assuming such a probability that i need help, ask if you can come up and open this door right away. i don’t know the shopping center when a person is somehow trying to get out of the car there. that is, i do it so normally that none of the parties, so to speak , did not feel that such an awkward moment , for example, so that the military man would not be offended because he can't help himself, for example, well, look at everything here. well, how, again, my life situation, uh, when i was, well, roughly speaking, now i wear shorts, yes, it's obvious that i'm wearing a prosthesis when it's cold there

year, i can be in pants, no one even understood. and there was a situation in the shopping center when a person really couldn't drive in a wheelchair, well , i did, in principle. introduced help came up helped i.e. everything was fine the situation was different when the boy was on two prostheses so it was just me well i accompanied him for a long time until he came to the door then stopped and looked only came to approach well to the door to open the door for him he came to me and himself said, that is, well, wait, i'm myself, i'm myself, i'm myself. that is, you know it all. well, visually, if there is already a situation , then you need to impose it. and you don't need to run to help, but you need to watch everything, and the situation shows, that is, maybe a person can't . that's all, well. as a minimum rules of etiquette to approach and offer this is not prohibited this is only this only this is suitable for all options of communication we are ambassadors in fact yes of course of course

it is a question of ethics that is here well now we do not even say how to inoculate wounds yes well there over people in wheelchairs or the ordinary civilian population. that is, it is such and such, ms. innos, experience with the military, some from the front with injuries, some who encountered society somewhere, again, in public places, and which are the most common possible mistakes, questions, behavior . have you noticed that there are such moments when small children see that a person is there on crutches or is she wearing prostheses, they start loudly, how do children do it, and ask what about their uncle , for example, in such situations, with no idea what to do, for example, parents or the same voice, for example, to explain the situation or to look away and run away, well, in such situations, of course, parents should not explain loudly, tell stories in such moments , we should say so, take the child by the hand and say , come closer to me, and then explain that uncle fought, uncle defended our state and he

lost in limb, but do it not publicly , not loudly. god forbid that the victim himself does not hear. yes, because we do not understand, we do not know how painful it is for the veteran himself to lose a limb. of course, it is very big. let's say it's a mountain for a person to be left without a limb, and if we focus on this and tell it loudly so that everyone can hear it, we can cause irritation or offend a military person, so really it's better to take the child by the hand, it's better to sit down at her level and quietly explain in her ear and ask the child well, don't scream don't run but be silent stand there next to mom next to dad once again don't emphasize attention as for adults, of course you shouldn't make a loud statement in public and where are you at the end and what happened and tell me because all these memories can also be psychologically painful for a military man, and in order not to traumatize his psyche once again

, we will not ask about these things out loud, if a military man wants to share this information , he will definitely share it with us, i will tell you to ask yourself. well, it is everyone's business and it is not worth it once again to injure a person with your interrogations romana and how did you tell your children about your prosthesis, how did you explain it, perhaps this information will be useful also for parents of children who learn from children correctly to react to this situation, especially if such communication takes place there in a public place, and as i explained, yes, in principle , the conversation with the younger son took place. in principle , when he was born, i was already on a prosthesis , yes. that is, he was a child until now, and now he is 2.5 years, that is, well, it will grow more and more, i will explain exactly the same as i explained to the elder that everything was as it was without any false lies and so on

, that is, i was still in the war, served in intelligence , i stepped on a mine as a result of an explosion although i show her and my children first of all that life does not end there and that is, you need to move forward and as they say , this will make you stronger the more you stumble and fall, but at the same time get up and go you will be stronger you will be stronger it will move you, that is, with children there is no way to say it even well, not in a game form nothing like with adults , that is, i explained it so that children understood it from the very beginning so i understand that there is even a cartoon i have come across some where children are explained this story with prostheses, which in fact can be not only in the military, but also in civilians who were in the war zone, as well as in small children, with whom they can meet on the same site, that is, the main thing is mrs. well and romana i understood so well that it is necessary to take into account general

ethics, to know it, to be calm, to react, really just to ask if you see that maybe a person needs some help and to talk about such things, obviously, including with children at home, before such a situation arises, for sure because we live in such realities where actually, well, it's all around us, and in fact, as a result of missile attacks, we see what tragedies can happen. unfortunately, no one is immune from this. so, i thank you for this conversation about the situation in communications in society when we face with military personnel who returned from the front with obvious injuries, how to react to it, how to build a dialogue, they spoke with a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine , roman kashpo joined our broadcast, and inna chernenko, military psychologist, psychiatrist thank you for participation, this is freedom of the morning - this is the air where we raise various important topics , talk about important international events that concern

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