[000:00:00;00] he goes into terrorism like this. the answer should be in relation to those people who raise nuclear reactors in general. i mean the west, i still leave a window for myself for negotiations with putin and still try in some way to help him there to derail this situation because well, suddenly in a year or a year and a half you will have to sit down at the negotiating table to press the fish to vladimir putin, do you remember when the thesis was thrown that we helped you with weapons, but unfortunately the pace of ukrainian countermeasures is quite slow therefore, the possibility of the so-called peaceful victory is not excluded, this thesis was calculated literally, and mr. serhiy, let's look at the events that are taking place before

the military-technical assistance to the armed forces of ukraine, the issue of even the training of ukrainian pilots on the f16 was postponed by a month , not that even the provision of i in 16 that forced me to pretend to be a coward and say directly that you are forcing us to attack without cover from the air, it is hard to imagine and pure praise for one coward who found the courage to call things on our own, and then the rhetoric on the part of the western countries and, first of all, the military leadership of these countries has changed fundamentally, because everyone perfectly understands that there really cannot be a successful offensive with a minimal amount of equipment and a complete lack of air cover. because it was the western countries who did not give the opportunity to conduct this a counteroffensive in those volumes and in those time intervals

that were planned by the ukrainian headquarters. by the way, mr. dmytro, about possible separate negotiations or negotiations that could precede some major negotiations nbc news e-e tv channel with referring to her sources, she published information about what the former officials connected with in the american state. over the last few months, there were secret talks with lavrov and people from putin's entourage, and specific facts are given. who should be trusted more, nbc news or lavrov's department , to say that the appearance of such information without reference to the original source, i.e. an anonymous source, is primarily evidence of so

-called active operations, i.e. miscalculation of certain tests well, let's give things their names, disinformation for the purpose of forming public opinion, that is, they are once again promoting the thesis about the possibility of subversive agreements behind ukraine's back, but mr. serhiu, the main thesis is the very possibility of these so-called peaceful victories, in this context, let's even think about providing ukraine with a guarantee of the safety of the grandmother or joining nato but what is the price of the russian status of crimea , a random song, absolutely no, and let's remember what is happening against the background of similar the statements of the activity of the so-called peacekeepers, starting with the president of brazil, the papal union, the leaders of papua new guinea , and who has not come to us, plus the representatives of the people's republic of china with their plan for the settlement

of sergei, they are trying to break us and put us on the negotiating table 11- on july 12 , the north atlantic alliance itself is to be held in vilnius. ukraine has high hopes for this summit, but at least they want to receive some positive signal from nato members in kyiv, if we do not receive of this positive signal, what it will mean for ukraine, what it will mean for russia, and what it will mean for the world . well, unlike bohdan, as he commented, i will receive the signal collectively, but i will still adhere to the regime of information hygiene and silence. let's comment on the results with you the holding of this summit after its end. i repeat once again that any information at this time can harm the nature

of the negotiation process, including uh, because well , let's say raise the degree of expectation in ukrainian society absolutely yes yes yes the same as throwing out theses about possible so-called betrayal or the despair of western partners , at the moment of military-technical cooperation with ukraine, there are statements from the western countries of nato countries that highlight the fact that ukraine will at least be satisfied, i can assume pray for the possibility of a so -called strategic partnership, that is, direct agreements between ukraine and key nato countries at the time of military-technical cooperation , that is, the same status of a strategic partner the nature of military-technical assistance independence from the change of the administration of the united states is an example

of cooperation in the united states - it is egypt, israel, taiwan, japan and many examples if it happens, it will be a victory, let's write your names july volodymyr zelenskyi fell in bulgaria and will have a meeting in the czech republic 7 in july, he will meet with the president of turkey, recep tayyip erdogan, among the issues of zelenskyi's meeting with the turkish leader is the continuation of the grain agreement, which, by the way, ends on july 17 in your opinion, in this case, can zelenskyi count on turkey’s support, including in the promotion of ukraine’s interests in the north atlantic alliance, or the negotiations or, let’s say , endogan’s good relations with putin indicate that turkey will not be the country that will be

very actively promote ukrainian interests in the north atlantic alliance, the opinion is there that ukraine is a cardigan , the more he is an economic nationalist, he exclusively defends the interests of turkey. the operation of the grain corridor is beneficial to turkey, so for the first time the interests of the same rna are being lobbied here because they are working accordingly. well, let's say that the turkish economy is rising at the expense of the russian federation. by the way, i do not rule out the coherence of the actions of the russian federation and turkey at the moment e let's say that the blocking of the grain corridor is certain but to talk about the fact that turkey will defend the position of ukraine, the miracle of joining nato, well, this will worsen the relations of rbc

with putin, and let's talk let's see how erdoğan's meeting with representatives of the united states will end regarding sweden's actual membership in nato, it will be indicative, then we can make assumptions about turkey's possible support for our north atlantic and well, let's say course finland is already a member of the north atlantic alliance, but both thailand and the states received guarantees, personal guarantees of individual members of the north atlantic alliance on the way to joining nato, can such an option be in ukraine this is exactly what we are talking about for the transition period. finland received security guarantees from the leading nato countries . first of all, they are praying for a nuclear umbrella. they clearly stated that finland will not have any problems with the russian federation. there were none . if such guarantees will give us questions

no, this is the best guarantee, but mr. serhiy, in my opinion, in the language of conviction, the best guarantee of national security is the restoration of the nuclear status of ukraine, the more opportunities and technical and economic we have and we must say this in a separate conversation somehow we will talk about this in another broadcast, we don't have much time left on the air , the president of lithuania repeatedly said that at the nato summit in vilnius it will be possible to agree on such commitments to ukraine that will not disappoint it well, let's hope and already comment on the consequences summit in vilnius, what we get as a result. thank you, mr. dmytro, for participating in the program. it was dmytro sigyrev, a military expert, co-chairman of the public initiative right cause, friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel,

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political season, exclusive interviews reports from the hottest spots on the freedom front, frankly and impartially draw conclusions vasyl winter two hours of air time two hours of your time two hours to learn about the war and what the world is like 2 hours to keep up to date with economic news and new sports two hours in the company of your loved ones presenters, presenters who have become like-minded to many, as well as distinguished guests of the studio , events of the day in two hours, vasyl's big broadcast in winter , a project for intelligent and caring people in the evening , nayspresso. welcome to the espresso channel , vilnius itself, nato is approaching during which the alliance has the opportunity to make a historic

decision to undertake the obligation to invite ukraine to membership as soon as possible or not, but it is obvious that the vinnytsia decisions regarding ukraine's relations with nato will have a decisive impact on euro -atlantic security for decades to come , because it is about how and at what cost nato is going to break this constant cycle of russian aggression and russian revisionism by strengthening its own defense capabilities, and ukraine wants to join all the security mechanisms of the alliance that the risks of deterring the ever-hostile russia be shared with european countries from the usa more honestly, if at all, such categories are acceptable for political decisions and now it

is ukraine. methods of conducting military operations of ukraine demonstrates examples that are unattainable for the army of other states. so, about the prospects of ukraine's relations with nato and examples of actions in the field in the context of lessons for the army we will talk about the alliance in our military program. my name is serhii zgorytskyi, the director of the information consulting company defekt express, which, together with the espresso channel, strives to highlight the most relevant events in the life of our army and the security dimension, and now we are joined by oleksiy ezhyk, an expert of the national institute of strategic studies, oleksiy i welcome you i congratulate you. now we are approaching the summit in vilnius, and despite the fact that the key decisions regarding ukraine that should be adopted there still do not have such unambiguous interpretations. some say

about the fact that they will not disappoint ukraine, others are afraid, again the statement that the actual doors and windows there will continue to be open for ukraine, but it will be difficult to squeeze through these doors and windows and here i would like you to first outline b' for our viewers in such a simple language the components that are currently being discussed are just the beginning of the procedure for inviting ukraine to membership quickly or not quickly, under what conditions, and the second question in this matter is precisely the decision to obtain a security guarantee, which is actually determined by these two components, which are the main ones here difficulties from the point of view of our partners' perception of our wishes do not seem to be the main difficulty in that for nato this is the issue of ukraine's membership in nato now, well, it is important , but it is not the main thing for which the oil seal is going , the main thing is what they are going to do, it is fundamentally the biggest since the cold war, the restructuring of the system

there was no defense like this for a long time when they are just rebuilding everything and building such uh no no no rapid response forces for expeditionary forces the main defense forces which they never built they are building regional plans that give the ability to defend against a major attack from such a side by such an enemy as russia, even with the support of china in all directions. only there in the south, there is a little division between these plans between russia and the conventional terrorist groups there, so turkey wants , that is, they change, the main thing is whether nato worked under the leadership of commanding the european forces in europe this is the biggest such change that they are working on the rest of the rest unfortunately and by the way, even this plan will still

be simple in principle, it will be agreed upon then he will still be appointed there, which countries, which units, where they go first , where then, where they protect against what, there are many problems there, and as it turned out, nato is not ready for such a big war, there is still work and work. questions, one question. they decided only one important question . they extended the term of the general secretary because they did not agree on a new candidacy, and poor poor jan stolbinger is forced to work for another year. although they were tired and spoke that he does not want, he has already extended it several times , they agreed, well, they persuaded once again. this is the only thing that nato has now agreed to. another issue that was also politically important, after all , it seems that they do not have time to complete the procedure for the adoption of sweden, they do not have time to discuss this, it is very bad for the political

will eh, and here is the question of ukraine, it is somewhere on the level of membership in sweden and membership of sweden , if it were fast and so easy. well , maybe it was easier for us there. and now it turns out that nato also has to solve the question of sweden further and as well as the issue of ukraine well, now, in relation to ukraine what what should be decided against this background for ukraine should be provided as it is possible to understand such a consistent vision of a number of different tools and we still think we will get confused when we will analyze them and they will be many, they will be diverse but to the fact that collectively these tools will make nato's reaction automatic, and here it is still necessary to understand that those plans for this nato reaction , nato's automatic reaction to the problems with ukraine. well, the attack on ukraine is

a security problem. they still have to somehow be coordinated with this global restructuring, the main defense force of the main defense forces of nato, because they are the decision has been made. it is different there, it has never happened. this is not a repeat of the cold war, because before the main defense forces were in germany , and now they should be in poland in the countries of the balkans, in romania, in slovakia, rapprochement with ukraine, and we need to somehow join this , to create such mechanisms, that is, it will be difficult , we will see what will be proposed, but not only these will be political instruments, there will also be there will be uh well, what is called a guarantee, but it seems that the biggest guarantee that nato considers to be a guarantee of the transition period is actually a set of these tools that make the reaction automatic to the point that such guarantee tools are considered to be for huge investments in the reconstruction of ukraine if

they will go, this is also a guarantee, this is the protection of investors, if russia attacks ukraine, when it recovers, billions of dollars of european and american money are going today , this is also considered a sure guarantee that there will definitely be a reaction. well, what exactly? we will see here just a lot of things that are so changeable and unexpected. well, in relation to sweden and in relation to the successes of our confederation. from him , a lot also lies in the modality of these conversations . i think that in principle they will not affect the attitude of our partners in addition to the fact that there is literally a week left until certain decisions are made, and then in fact it turns out that we are talking about the fact that ukraine is actually being offered the so-called conditional

the israeli option, when there are a number of separate agreements, starting with security, economic, military-technical agreements, which actually lay the conditions for the stability of ukraine, but from the actual point of view, we will perceive this as guarantees, but not guarantees, more conceptual ones that operate within the framework of the alliance, which ensure a faster the reaction of the nato structures or what. well, the nuances need to be singled out, i think. there will be nuances and nuances related to logistics, in principle , what we get through the rammstein system is an element such as nato, which is very similar to how there is a strengthening of the defense, the transfer of weapons in general, logistics of nato during the war, which is now being adjusted again. and i think that such an element will be hidden, not public , connected with the fact that to those political , economic and, well, such complex -complex tools, something will be added that will allow very

to quickly redeploy troops and equipment, that is, what is currently done during the war. i think it will not disappear, and maybe even will be deployed. well, let's say repair production. maybe even production facilities that will allow to repair the logistics center, to repair the rollover, it will be possible to transport. it is possible that the infrastructure of the airfields may still be developed, but i think it will not be very clear about it, it will be said according to a certain program, but how will it be, because now we do not know how the weapons reach us and it is not necessary for everyone to know this. well, it will be the same within the framework of these decisions. i think, well, then, in fact , everything will be equal, then we will come to the scheme of such a continuation of prolonged hostilities, where ukraine will continue to be such a bridgehead where we restrain the russian federation. and the question guarantees as such, so that we raise our capabilities more rigidly, it recedes into the background, and then, relatively speaking, these are the approaches of the ukrainian political leadership

that we should know clear signals of joining nato, clear schedules. as i understand it, they begin to blur and then the meaning of e- partnership and the meaning of ukraine's expectations that nato's potential becomes a condition for raising the stakes in relations with the russian federation . leadership as a basis for the same negotiations, because it is probably easier to defeat ukraine there than in ukraine, if there is ukraine with nato, then in fact russia is forced to start negotiations, or is such a theory not acceptable enough for our european and american partners ? clearly, this is the territory, i am not ready to consider the theory , how many russians are reacting, i think there are a

lot of factors tied into a single system , including forecasts regarding the development of the internal situation in russia, but in general that what you said, it seems to me that the main problem here is what we saw now and what we may see after the discussion is how certain, well, certain parts of the decisions will be formulated. now they have seen us. when they talk about political guarantees, ukraine is still not perceived as a country. well, as their own , they do not perceive us as a european country . well, what do i mean? when decisions were written, that was exactly what was written in greek. that georgia and ukraine one day became members of nato, when the same decisions were written, they were not written in the decisions, but there are certain decisions, at least such declarations. maybe they are not public, but you can find where they

were said by officials, because in relation to sweden , finland, austria, ireland, well, neutral countries of europe, it was said that a neutral country in europe will become a member of nato when they want to . they are ready, they are ready, where are the troops or what are the logistics? the main thing is that they are perceived as their own and they will become nato members when they want, that is, no one has any doubts that these countries can be, have the right to be nato members, for us this formula is still one day it will be changed. i am sure that there will be another formula in the decisions of the vilnin site already. well, there will be no repetition of this like the bucharest summit. one day there must be something like that. one day after the war , at least there, well, something after the rain on thursday

well, something like that should be said more specifically, that is, it is possible when , right now, it is a sentence of the white house somewhere yesterday that it declared that ukraine will be in nato only after it carries out reforms and meets all the requirements, that is, it actually says that the process is constant and unchanging pdch all the procedures are different and i still hope i had lunch without arguing it must be removed because in my opinion if pdch again then there is no point in the president going there it is well it is well it is a circus it is not even close to clear that there is mistrust, there are complaints, there is corruption and all that, but what happened in the last year and a half, this bloody war and this and this is an ally of this , in fact, on the ditch of the armed forces. it was said that there are certain problems, but ukraine was approaching the status that was given

to sweden and sweden. unfortunately, it slowed down a little , but this formula is approaching the formula that ukraine will become a member of nato when it wants. well, when it can or when the necessary political conditions, at least something like that, something that would say that ukraine is our own, that we are our own for europe, this is necessary and i think it will be, but unfortunately we saw what you said that even from the side of the united states. if earlier in bucharest, the united states insisted that ukraine should become a member of nato and france and germany said no, now we see a different situation that france and germany are sometimes ready to offer more than the united states is ready to offer and here the situation is really unexpected for us, but as written in one recent article, where are the icons we are told that now ukraine has realized what i realized a long time ago in israel, returning to israel, that