[000:00:00;00] sweden, unfortunately, has slowed down a bit, but this formula is approaching the formulas that ukraine will become a member of nato when it wants, well, when it can or when the necessary political conditions arise , at least something, something that would say that ukraine is our own, that we are our own for europe, that's about it it is necessary and i think it will be, but unfortunately we saw what you said that even from the side of the united states and if earlier about bucharest , the united states insisted that ukraine should become a member of nato and france and germany said no, now we will see a different situation that france, germany, are sometimes ready to offer more than the united states is ready to offer, and here the situation is really unexpected for us, but as it is written in one recent article

, where are the icons? coincide, but in the united states there is a huge restriction on the actions of politicians when the goals do not coincide with this, one has to live somehow and now it turns out that it is a very unpleasant situation that the united states of the sms of its they see no reason why ukraine should quickly become a member of nato. while european politicians , european countries, even france, they are more inclined to give ukraine such a specific offer to ukraine. risks on the part of the russian federation as a country if , in a negative scenario, where exactly the american side has to bear the main burden in the military expenditure of the opposition to the russian federation, and on

the other hand, european countries that also they are trying to conduct their own policy, hoping that during the escalation, the main burden will again fall on the united states, and then we understand that at that time such a slow approach of the americans is now, well, actually dominant. he is just enough to hold back these statements on the part of the ukrainian side to directly support ukraine's rapid accession to the alliance , where zelensky even appealed to president biden, it seems yesterday in intersine, that is, now the monstrosity of america determines all these rules, yes it seems that the main thing around which the politics of the states are now layered is that during this russian-ukrainian war, no nuclear munition should explode, if this is unacceptable , not even a single test, even simply, it is unacceptable, and around this revolves all these fears about escalation, there are certain steps

not do nothing that can make one nuclear country think that it has been attacked by another nuclear country . that's right. the united states reaches a certain limit, but there is a certain limit. the impression is that it has long been agreed upon by someone somewhere and it does not intersect, but on the other hand, i do not rule out that there could be such a situation as it was in august, september, october of 1991, when we remember this thing or kinky people, so when will you say that no, no, no don't leave because because of escalation and all that, what is the topic in mind from the soviet union and then already in september or october, as soon as the issues regarding the control of nuclear weapons and further disarmament were fundamentally resolved, the united states said that it was already a month and a half later , they said that they were measuring independence of ukraine, if ukraine votes for independence, that means the situation changes, but now we see this policy and feel

what israel felt when a democratic administration comes to power , there are always certain problems in israel because the democratic administration tries to come to terms with wounds and from reality always with this somehow alive well, now we see such a situation that forces the united states to add somewhere underground , it is possible to negotiate with the new government in russia , you can and well, i can't say what is there but we can all see that now we have the united states. well, they are holding back a little bit and are holding back themselves. and here is the question of membership, but it has reached the limit when the united states has to say the word, say so, so let's stop at this for now, well, there is something to talk about i still think that the president of ukraine should go and talk to

president biden on this website . the ukrainian society will be so certain disappointment that we are fighting together there, the ukrainian military is restraining the russian federation, but the attitude of the europeans and americans is so, well, rather cool towards the aspirations of ukraine, this is exactly the reason i repeat, such disappointments regarding cooperation with the alliance and the united states can be such a consequence of this very summit. well this can happen if the information policy is constructed incorrectly . i think that in a practical sense, nevertheless , nevertheless, except if we do not talk about this, here is the element of mistrust that feels well, more specialists feel, uh, well, from international politics than just the public, uh , it will not be seen there that this is this element of mistrust.

other. i think that ukraine will be provided with many different tools, and with the correct construction of the information policy, well, it can be said that this is almost what israel has, here it can be said that i think there will not be such a big problem here. but really, these are those who directly confronts international politics well, such a device will have an unpleasant aftertaste from the fact that we are not completely trusted well, that is, we have to live with it, come to terms with it and improve all the procedures to perfect our own state or be at the level of sweden so that such questions do not arise, you mentioned partly about putin and then there is a theory that what is actually happening to us is that before the forces of the russian regime were afraid there, and now they are afraid of the weakness of the same putin from the point of view of the fact that it is precisely connected with the weakness of the control of the main challenge for the united states is the control of nuclear weapons. and then the question arises whether the russian federation will not

use this in fear of the american side, fueling the theory that it is putin who can ensure further control over the country and then, in principle , stimulate these negotiation processes which partly took place from consideration there on a recent publication where the spokesmen of the national security and defense council of the usa said that we were not involved in those negotiations where there were some american representatives from russia federations, including possibly in the issue of control of nuclear weapons. well, it is such a negative element that the truly sunny states are so packed. well, here too, it is necessary to understand that if there is chaos in russia, then someone, someone in the world must take responsibility for maintaining stability, and no one wants what to do this now if in 1991 there were enough international forces that were ready now, unfortunately. well, simply because of the negative experience of working with russia, everyone knows that one day russia will still say that it

was destroyed and robbed, and well, you can’t be too they don't want to interfere in russian politics, it's just control, that's why putin really uses it a little, but i think this factor is already being used. well, in such a regime that putin must be left, the forces that come after putin are used, they say, well, they are asking to give russia an opportunity, well, give an opportunity these forces need to get into power and to get into power they need well , they don't need a humiliating defeat by ukraine, but this factor exists for that, i don't think that anyone cares about putin anymore. he lost lost authority in india, it is clear that there is no one right now to replace putin, but i think that all international forces are definitely working, working with those who will come

to power, the good news is that those who are trying to come to power in russia understand that they cannot come you can use blackmail to come to the promised de-escalation, you can say, for example, that if we come to power, we will ensure strategic stability, which means that they will not scare anyone with nuclear weapons, but in order to come to power, they can say that make money so that we don't lose in ukraine and here it will be a difficult choice for the rich. well, that is, in fact, if we are talking about the fact that the defeat of russia should not be humiliating, then the second element is included - it is precisely the management of escalation . - technical assistance as the main element of influence on ukraine and then just this, on the one hand, seems to create the conditions there for control over the collapse or reboot of the russian federation. and for

this process, the ukrainian side has to pay quite significant sacrifices because we will fight more slowly without those things that we could get. this really creates such a serious internal challenge for the ukrainian side, if i understand, well, yes , it seems to me that this is the main threat that if those forces a, in general, it should be said either -someone who will come to russia in an undemocratic way because democracy is not important there, after all, we have to understand that democracy in russia is impossible. and in the near future, a more constructive force may come to power there, and there is any more constructive force that will come to power. will ask the world not to have a humiliating defeat of russia and with that well, they will certainly be reckoned with there of course you can say and where are you going but if these kud kom have nowhere to go, they will still prove that without , well, without a certain maintenance of ukrainian

territories, they are, well, impossible get the situation in russia, well, then it will be a difficult choice. i think, after all, there is still time and there are opportunities to convince our partners that anyone who comes to power in russia is actually frightening. well, they exaggerate the risks of chaos in in russia, they simply exaggerate them in order to come to power in order to get certain preferences, but one must prove here that these risks are exaggerated and they are the opposite of chaos in russia, well, they give a certain perspective if efforts are coordinated with china , for example, well worked, but thank you for an interesting conversation, but only the conclusions are quite disturbing because it actually means that the work of our diplomacy is expensive . there is also work to be done, including understanding these challenges in the relations of the united

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be caused by vilnius's own point of view of the decision regarding ukraine's entry into the alliance but of course nato's main issue will be the actual discussion of the overhaul of such a military machine of the alliance in order to become stronger. nato plans to develop at least 5 areas that are directly related to the strengthening of all the armed forces that are part of the alliance, this in particular is about strengthening the combat capability of the ground forces created by the development of an integrated anti-aircraft anti-missile defense system of long-range fire equipment , digital networks that allow fast and safe data transmission on the battlefield, and the actual logistics component to transfer large armies throughout europe, so we are talking about all these five directions, there are solutions in the ukrainian

armed forces, which are highly rated in nato countries if you read their specialized publications or even popular publications , american and european, where it is mentioned how ukraine conducts combat operations on the battlefield and where it gains advantages by using these so-called digital solutions. and to these digital solutions , nato representatives and representatives of nato countries refer to a system called nettle, it was created in ukraine, it significantly increases the effectiveness of the use of our units on the battlefield , and we will now talk about this development with our guest. oleg, the head of research projects of the volunteer organization of the army, mr. olezhe, is joining us. greetings. good day. i would like you to tell our viewers what is the advantage

of this the development of which actually owes its appearance to the work of your team, few people know about it, and all the military now in principle use this system and say that if it did not exist, they would be deaf and blind and actually, they paid for the fact that there is no such system with their own lives , so i would like you to tell in more detail about how this system was created, what it provides on the battlefield, why it is so important, well, the story of the nettle is already well known in in the 14th year, it began as a purely volunteer project of digital maps, then in collaboration with artillerymen , ballistic calculations were added. then, with signalmen , the possibility of data transmission via tactical communication, and so the organic system gradually

developed smoothly without any decisions, clearly from below integrated into the general system of management of the armed forces or even the armed forces themselves, i did not really notice how it happened at the level of the military itself, among the advantages of the system, i would say, reviewing the path taken by the system, i would say that it is its accessibility and massiveness that is not found in any country in the army of the world as far as i can judge that almost every officer and every soldier, not only an officer, has access to digital maps, but thanks to the prevalence of digital communication, first of all , the starlink technology we got the actual the creation of a single information model of the battle space, which is and was available to the ukrainian armed forces at the time of the full-scale invasion, and this is the uniqueness of this system, because in terms of components

, our enemy and our allies have similar systems, and in general, what represents itself a nettle is precisely tens of thousands of users and the availability of information on the relevant infrastructure , including those responsible for the distribution of training and so on. this is a unique new council in the ukrainian army in the ukrainian armed forces that us, but in parallel, i can not ask you, in principle, now, that is, this is the second our conversation, and you are a supporter of not talking about who developed this system , do you feel the risks for yourself, or are there any nuances that is it connected with a certain security? is it acting on the part of the enemy to continue to promote the project, identify any risks for your

company, well, the decision to be non-public was made at the beginning of the large-scale invasion, primarily it is related to the risks of cyberspace, that is, it goes full-blown cybercrime is trying to compromise developer accounts, developers are being hunted. well, of course you understand. if you compromise the developer's assets with nettles, how much of it is your own loot for our enemy, that's why we decided. well, with the internet in the modern world, it's not necessary to send a spy who physically took possession of these codes, it's enough to do some certain actions er in the information space on the internet and this risk we send out very er seriously that is why we decided not to promote in social networks not to give

a public interview only limited to publish this information in principle in narrow circles, the key persons are known, these are several private companies that are engaged in supporting the development of nettles. well, actually, the armed forces themselves, which are also actively developing and implementing nettles. that is, it is a collaboration of a large number of people, i understand in real users in the armed forces, i think it is certainly not about tens of thousands . in fact, these procedures for acceptance into service are from the past, they are now deterrents to the fact that they actually contradict the mass of such a system, what do you think about this, well, the answer is this

question is complex, that is, to say that the information protection procedures there are outdated. b is incorrect because these procedures are quite relevant, they are international standards , and only 27,000 if i am not mistaken, and other things that are dictated and these are quite strict standards that cannot even be fulfilled. well, no information to a private company or the armed forces even without a vulture, when the vulture is already imposed, everything becomes much more complicated, therefore the issue of full legalization and harmonization of a system such as nettle, which is decorative , one can say, made its own way. this is a difficult issue that needs to be resolved. but again, it was consciously accepted the decision by the armed forces and the developers that it will be gradual, that is, in parallel, work is being carried out

on the official adoption of the system of integration into the general management system. we are breaking through in that status, let’s say not quite clear, in which it is the de facto standard for the digital digital system of the tactical link of the armed forces of ukraine, but in general , do you actually feel proud that you and your team have made a system that actually, well, our military evaluates very highly highly and even nato partners say that they do not have such a thing, what are your feelings against the background of such evaluations? well, i say so. of course, there is a feeling, well, i am proud of my work. but again, the entire team has an impression, that is we understand that we are simply in our place, er, doing our work. this is just

work, that is, the fact that we can be useful armed forces is, well, this is the main thing for us , that is, everything else is secondary. and regarding the comparison of signs and systems and all that for others, well, you know, time will tell, because i really don’t want to deal with some kind of pr or a stroke like that, that is, if we can be useful, it is the main award of the entire team, actually, what it is based on, and of course it is not. there is no comparison with fighters who do not transfer. that is, we only do our own small business, as we think, so i will give an example when one of the art units was formed and uh, one of the commanders of this uh brigade told me about you what is being formed , do you know if you know the developers of nettles, i

said what do i know? i gave them your phone numbers and they later thanked me for the fact that it was difficult . it is extremely important what your people provide, although you did it there , and you can watch the variations there on youtube, but i give credit for the speed of response to the request from our units . well, i was pleasantly surprised. to believe, maybe these are too loud words, that this is already such a national thing, that is , collaboration, self-organization of ukrainians, it manifests itself, including in this system, when it was created there by specific people, specific

developers, now it is already living its own life artillerymen are also direct developers who give tasks to programmers and so on. its volunteers carry out training. that is, it is already. well, the very name of the drops, it was just there, they just invented something ukrainian and so on in 2014 , but the very essence is that it is like a wild plant that pitiful and so on, and it very much reflects the essence of this system. that is, it is already a collaboration of a large and large number of people. it is not possible to single out all of this in general, and this is what i will say. this is the uniqueness and ukrainianness of this a product that we can all be proud of in principle. well, this is already a product. it is alive like any nettle, that is, in fact, it is now gaining new opportunities due to the fact that new solutions are being added, there are new e-e means of information transmission, how it is currently developing and whether it is relatively speaking, there are some visions of a new project there, in particular, there, well, alya kropyva 2:0 uh, any product it can

be either alive or non-existent without users , without developers, a product does not live long, the modern world requires constant interaction, constant development operations, reactions to needs user and all this is now happening when you are nettles and very big now if you say all the brothers of all developers from all divisions - it is dozens and dozens of developers, it is very active development, well , active combat operations, changing some nuances of use, all this is reflected in new versions of the product that come out almost every two or three weeks with significant upgrades , this is this is the usual thing is that with regard to nettle 2:0 here the question is broader while we are evolving it is of course unfortunately literally

a few seconds so i still exactly i have to say goodbye. i thank you very much for your work , which depends on the fighting ability of the ukrainian army. i will also remind our viewers that the press class was broadcast by oleg ot, who represents the volunteer organization army sos and is one of the developers and initiators of the creation of the nettle system, which is now effectively used by the armed forces. forces and which, in fact, is an example for the low countries of nato, which is trying to create its own digital systems. these were the main results of this military program, and then the broadcast continues, the news block and our presenter iryna koval iryna congratulates you sergey i also congratulate you in just a moment i will tell you about the situation in different regions of our country after the shelling by the russians and there will also be information about ammunition for ukraine this is also your topic so