[000:00:00;00] said well, i believe that the russian ruble is strongly connected with oil and gas revenues and now they are falling into physical volumes are growing. by the way, but in monetary terms they are falling and that is why the ruble is also falling. but it is interesting that there is already there were comments saying that you don't like him. not because of a non-oil and gas issue, but because of the fact that the occupied territory needs to be financed. yes, it is already echoing inside, i think. and this is very, very interesting. well, this is just a manifestation of no loyalty that exists within the elite, there is dissatisfaction there. okay

we would like to thank ilya ponomaryov, the russian president of the state duma of the seventh for 16 years, he was with us for 16 years and we took him to the belarusian affairs, there, too, it was interesting , we talked about it, and in the morning the shepherd, a belarusian public figure, adviser to svitlana tikhonovskaya , we are in touch good health good health it's evening. explain, mr. franko, this incredible public activity of lukashenka, who has already finished prigozhyn's prison. and he can't calm down. he is not a hero like putin is not a hero peace is not a hero but you understand that we are a hero what is happening to him with his head well listen well you are in a state of euphoria the last effect again everyone is talking about him yesterday he gathered western journalists bbc name he is not even called as the president and leader of belarus, he is happy because he is the center

of attention. he loves pr , he loves to be talked about, he loves to be important and needed, who solves important issues, but the hangover from this role of a peacemaker is already starting to pass and yesterday at the press conference, he was already confused when several unpleasant questions about wagner and his role were raised. he didn't know how to answer and blamed everything on putin. well, we don't know if there will be wagners in belarus, we don't know, so they ask him, they will go to the ensemble, he says well, i will consult with putin briefly again. he is starting to show his ass, see oleksiy avramenko. well , now he is such a minister, this is for our viewers. i say who died suddenly and we are now thinking why did he die suddenly what was he doing or what did he say? why did he die or did he just die

? well, these are the questions . who is this ? belarusians found out about the existence of this minister only after his death. but it is interesting that the trend started with mckay, when the opponent died under the circumstances of make and although they wrote to him that it was somehow a natural cause, but his relatives and his family say that it was a suicide and it was avramenko, they also say that it was a suicide, but lukashenko when his they asked about the fate of avramenko. he said that it was not his, that he died and not died, that's why it's interesting that some ministers are starting to put their hands on themselves not because of a good life, but this minister is also interesting because he was involved in the boarding of the ryanair plane itself when when roman protasevich and sofya satyga were detained and he was one of those whose guilt

was actually in this operation, as far as it is possible to assume in principle that lukashenka has some processes going on under the blanket as dangerous as putin's blankets, in principle this is realistically, i think that lukashenko has his own little blanket under which he sleeps there with the closest people with some kind of putin doll that keeps him from nightmares, but there is a big blanket of those who feed from the hands of those who feed from schemes e withdrawal of sanctions, which they drag to trade and these under a wide blanket . they started er during the riot of the beautiful woman. you can think that this blanket is needed , and you know on this saturday, when about every shot to moscow, we just had some er explosion

of contacts with curiosity everyone started writing with there were different officials in belarus, there were officials, there were security forces, this had not happened since the very beginning of the war, all this means that the society did not fall asleep, but simply fell silent, waiting for the right language, this very saturday. there was a feeling that this window 78 could be opened . unfortunately, it ended like this. the window did not open, but for us it was quite inspiring, because this energy is all there is, and there are people within the system who are ready to go against lukashenka, but only when they are sure that this is actually this moment, it is a chance for francs, and the second step is someone in belarusians are thinking about the second, first step. as i understand it, more than half of belarusians obviously do not like lukashenka, to put it mildly, and they are ready to somehow go out on the street to support some leaders who will say we will be against lukashenka, and then belarus turns into

what lukashenka does not have friendship with russia is it friendship with the west how to say human rights or not human rights this is capitalism finally because since 1994 as i understand it in belarus they started rebuilding socialism again this is still capitalism this is freedom of entrepreneurship and so on because what will happen next is that in the heads of the belarusians they want what they want, the belarusians have already had their fill of savka, they have had their fill of lukashism, they have had their fill of russia and it is clear that we will never return there from the 20th year, it was not just a revolution, but for new elections it was, however, for value for which people stood for european values ​​for european choices and now lukashenko and putin are taking revenge on belarusian society, trying to completely suppress it , we have no other choice before you go to

europe, we have no other choice to break relations with russia, yes, there are some adaptations of this soviet, post-soviet thinking, people who live in the provinces watch propaganda , watch russian channels, but they are an absolute minority. yesterday, literally, i watched the last survey. it is clear that there are many people who do not answer, most of the questions are not answered, but who answers is enough they clearly stand for ukraine , for europe, for europe, not in may and sovereignty, but for example when they are asked whether belarus should join russia they created a full union there, only four and a half percent say so, that's why even now when putin here orders that we all unite with a referendum or without a rebellion, there will be an explosion in society, even lukashenka's nomenclature, even his closest circle do not support this because they are all

used to living with it in the independent phase of an independent state, that is why i look at it quite positively , when the changes begin, they will definitely be about european, about western, we are about democratic, but what will we have to do , introduce some kind of safeguards, some kind of guarantees that we will not return to the dictatorship. why is it necessary to carry out a constitutional reform quickly and then maybe the last question is the truth, what will happen? who will do it ? well, you know, i sometimes say to myself that the economic situation in russia is better because, after all , there were 90 - those and some kind of quasi quasi capitalism there, that is, there is a certain layer of people who know how to do it, they probably did it, and they are there, and in belarus since 1994 , only-tiki-tiki, the first one was bitten, and then my uncle came and fell asleep - what's it

called sulfuric acid? it's over, and who will do it? i'm just. who knows how to do it? are there any intellectual forces who know what's the second step ? what to do next? well, i'm sitting with the staff, there will be a problem, but for the example of the experience of the development of the e-e sector, it, like lukashenko, especially not controlled, did not regulate, which grew tens of hundreds of times over 15 years. it shows that belarusians themselves know how to build their businesses, how to develop relations, how to trade, we see that part of state-owned enterprises during the last ten years became privatized and began to develop it and build trade with the west very actively, the latter of which are now pinched and they had to close down, they chose to be quiet now under the control of lukashenka, but

all this will quickly develop, it is clear that we will have to learn from experience the experience of poland and lithuania to learn from their mistakes. it is good that we actually have the experience of our neighbors from which we can learn, but belarusians are very disciplined in following all laws. and when it is very bad. maybe in a dictatorship, because they follow according to everyone there with orders and psycho lukashenko psychodictator but it will be very good with democracy about the implementation of reforms i am told that we can already move to georgia yes thank you francok morning party party belarusian public figure svetlana tsikhanov adviser to the president of belarus valery chechelashvili georgian diplomat politician economists first staff of georgians of ukraine i congratulate valery good health, mr. valery thank you for our thanks for the invitation, we can say that now the relations between georgia

and ukraine are at the freezing level because when ukraine asked the georgian ambassador in kyiv to leave ukraine. this happens not often between countries. thank you for characterizing this situation. unfortunately, unfortunately, this is ceramics. i want to apologize. i want to apologize to you . korean is good to communicate freely. we understand that you forgot, you should speak russian , it's okay. so, what about the relationship. thank you for your understanding, thank you. we need to agree

. the most important thing in the legal practice of the two countries is that on april 13 , we signed the 1993 treaty of friendship, cooperation, and mutual assistance. they are on your airwaves, they just crossed out the georgian audience, and the reaction of president zelenskyi, who made the decision to go to georgia, must leave , leave kyiv, is perfectly understandable to me, this is very sad because that in this difficult period, the channels of communication between diplomats are very important, and now we have the result that no, they did not send to kiev, they did not send to ukraine. i am afraid that this will not help , because somehow you steered our relations out of this very unpleasant and dangerous sphere valery

see it's just me. well, it really surprised me very much , namely, when there was a crisis in march, a huge number of people came out. when this law came out , the russians actually wanted to accept it . 1,000 people came out, dozens, maybe hundreds of thousands. they didn't give people, but we show saakashvili, he is half-dead, not into politics, now, not into who loves saakashvili, who doesn't love saakashvili, well, this is the former president, this is an important person, and i don't see support, i don't see it in belarus, but in belarus he sees only that from belarus they said, and i don't see a way out of tbilisi, listen, let him go to the hospital, something needs to be done just so that he doesn't die, okay, he's good, he's bad, but he wasn't

sentenced to the death penalty, he wasn't sentenced to death, so he needs to be somehow everything- still that he lived and this is a very surprising humanistic moment of a georgian. hello, yes, i completely share, share your passport , the third president of georgia, this is not just the third president of georgia, this is a man who created the foundations of the modern georgian state, and of course he is far from without his faults , but his merits uh, the merits are very great and uh, before georgia, before the people, and uh, to be honest, i was completely exaggerating when i was talking about the fact that we were all patricians, in general , i should say that what is happening today mykhailo saakashvili is a stain on the entire georgian society, including me, of course, the right-wing party and the government bear the main responsibility for this

, but now there may not be any such people , but i, but in my opinion, in my opinion, the society has matured very much very deep disappointment of the government police in relation to the third president, you correctly noticed that this is from the point of view of cultural humanitarian civilization well, this is not at all in the cultural code of georgia and georgians. we do not tolerate this at all, what we see today, we can be external. now, this has not yet manifested itself, but i must say that a large, huge majority there , according to the latest estimates, is somewhere between 60-65% of the population of georgia , well, against the state in which the third president found himself should be a serious, serious factor for the thoughtful in the right-wing party, because while they have these levers of influence on the situation, they should use and give the opportunity to the former president

, the third president, to get treatment in georgia one of the european countries or return it to ukraine , and when they do not have these levers yes, it will be too late, so to speak , they are worried about it and it can turn into very undesirable extras how how in general it can be very unpleasant for georgia, but primarily for itself the georgian dream is a stretch, we need to think about it today, but if we look at the citizens of georgia, this is an inoculation of this georgian dream, when there were intensive reforms, yes, with mistakes, yes, they were of course, but they still saakashvili is not god , only god knows what he did

, he doesn't make mistakes . well, that's all, and after that, here's the period of the georgian dream. some kind of person who will tell you, i'll give you more and salaries, well, let's be friends with russia , we're watching the preferences. but the main trend is this . programmatic with one political party, it means that there is a request for some kind of force, a new perfect one, which is not desocialized, they are with a united national movement, not with the georgian dream, well, in the economy, just the pasd creates a proposal to the extent that it will be realized in the political

field georgia will still have to see it, but in any case, i think that the decisive factor , including the election process in georgia, will be how the contour offensive of the ukrainian troops will develop. in general, uh, how, what will happen in the theater of military action, what will happen, what will happen, this will have a decisive influence on the cafe in general, once the configuration of the new security system in europe, uh, in the future, but on the electoral process of georgia, it will have a direct and direct impact in including i think the behavior is prophesying. well, when you speak of new forces, we can describe ourselves, at least in outline, as who these people in georgia are, these are liberals, this is about western people, these are

pragmatists, this is reliance on my own strength. that we are not friends with anyone, we are going to develop georgia as if it were our business. very well very impressive process in the largest recent time when there were in georgia on march 7th against the law promoted by the right-wing party of the so-called foreign agents, i was at these actions for three days and i was amazed by the behavior of e young people, and young people, you know, not only students, it’s even schoolchildren. yes, most of them were young people, and they were

very organized . they behaved very much in a european way . they supported each other very much. on various talk shows in serious programs , i was amazed how they calmly and confidently argued about what they want, what georgia should be, and what they are really ready to fight for. i think that i connect perspective with these with these young guys and girls, i see my function in the fact that when i enter the audience , i communicate, i communicate with these young people in order to somehow pass on my modest experience and knowledge in the world of the world of abilities to them, share with them, and so on i think that this is the need for a new political force, it

can manifest itself in two dimensions, or there will be completely new people . integrate their own ranks, giving them their finger at the same time - the political experience of knowledge , something can grow out of this too, but in principle, these people , many of them, probably, after all, these are people of such a more right-centered orientation but not only that, but in principle, everything is so, absolutely , it is about the european power that sees the future of georgia in the european union, not nato, they are in this camp of lepers who are now trying hard

to bring russia down here and there you see that almost the entire traditional political system of georgia is not very acceptable for young people, but the georgian dream is a typical party in power, and the opposition of the united national movement has compromised us as a real force capable of change, by the way, including, as i said, the energetic efforts of mikhail himself saakashvili also needs to admit that everything needed to be done in order for this force not to look modern, he did it already , and then it will be done in italy if we had more time i could argue with you in this sense, but the main thing here is that, despite all the difficulties that the national movement is going through, we have been seeing a constant process of fragmentation

of a single national movement for 67 years, well, despite this, it maintains a stable electoral resource and despite the fact that it has its own, well, it shows different issues. well, somewhere between 15 and 20% of the stable electorate, despite the 10-year disunity , which we have been constantly observing for a year , means that these people who are ready for everything the people of smolensk should not vote for what is the national movement ? they vote for him, precisely , and for the mikhail saakashvili factor. their reasons are god. i simply do not see such loyalty to a single national movement. for any party for which she leads the movement of twenty and this is more than 20 years, this is a longer term than the term of mikhail saakashvili, but this is not enough , we saw it in the presidential elections of the 19th

year and 14. unfortunately, this is the 10th year in general there was a catastrophic moment of very national history that this is not enough for the victory, if this was enough for the victory, we would not have yanukovych, and the last question is literally a second away. an important question and here, uh, in principle , in georgian society, among experts who deal with these issues, there is a consensus - this is a consensus for the following: mykhailo saakashvili also spoke about the plan when he was president, and it was after the 2008 war that georgia would restore its integrity without the use of effective methods, and the meaning is that we do not need control

over the territory of abkhazia. well, we need to do everything in order to reintegrate our obkhaz fellow citizens and our ossetian fellow citizens of other nationalities who live in the chimeral region into the fabric of the georgian state . everything in our program just ends, but we roughly understood valery chechelashvili, a georgian diplomat, politician, economist, the first ambassador of ukraine in georgia was with us. i'm sorry, but we have to say goodbye, thank you, thank you for the invitation. glory to ukraine , glory to the heroes.

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