[000:00:00;00] white is called black, white is called black, and all this diplomacy is fine between diplomats and each other. and when a journalist comes to you with an attempt to provoke, it seems to me that it is still worth calling things as they are called about politics, that's how we have a program now, verdict serhii rudenko, be with us glory to ukraine is a program verdict my name is serhii rudenko greetings to everyone and good health to everyone volodymyr zelenskyy is finishing his eastern european tour yesterday he was in bulgaria today in the czech republic and slovakia and today he should arrive in turkey, where he will meet with the president

of turkey, recep tayyip erdoğan, meanwhile, washington is considering the issue of providing ukraine with ammunition, which will be related to the strengthening of our army, and in general, those ammunition that will allow us to an effective counteroffensive, so far the discussion regarding the provision and possibility of such ammunition is being conducted in washington, we expect that the president of america, by the way, joseph biden, will announce the provision of a new package of military aid in the amount of 800 million dollars, this message will appear when it appears. of course, we will inform you about it. meanwhile, in the direction of bakhmut , the ukrainian defense forces have returned the previously occupied territories of the russian federation

. oleksandr syrskyi reported this about everything. today we we will talk for the next hour with the colonel of the security service of ukraine, people's deputies of ukraine roman kostenko oleksandr musienko and the junior sergeant of the armed forces of ukraine yuri gudymenko, i will traditionally start our a program with information about the losses of the occupiers in ukraine, in ukraine, 232,810 russians have already died in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine have destroyed 510 people since the beginning of the great war , the russians have already lost in ukraine 4,070 tanks , 7,944 armored fighting vehicles, 4,330 artillery systems, 658 rocket launcher systems, 408 of air defense equipment 315 aircraft 309 helicopters - 6898 units of automotive equipment 18 ships

boats 1271 cruise missiles 3652 drones 612 units of special equipment i want to present our first guest today is the people's deputy of ukraine, colonel of the security service of ukraine, roman kostenko, mr. colonel, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air, let's start our conversation with the analysis of the situation on the eastern and southern fronts, as i said at the beginning of the commands of the ground forces of the armed forces of ukraine oleksandr syrsky reported that in the direction of bakhmut, the ukrainian defense forces have returned the previously occupied territories, this means that the defense forces are making progress and moving forward, said syrsky. well, she appeared the information is just now that the deputy minister of defense of ukraine, hanna malyar, says that the enemy is in bakhmut, in fact, in pasika

, the armed forces of ukraine are advancing on the southern flank of the city. well, of course, there is information that the armed forces of ukraine are advancing and conducting offensive actions in the melitopol and berdyan directions. how would you, colonel , describe the current actions of the armed forces of ukraine and the successes of the ukrainian army in the east and south of ukraine well, we must understand strategically that success is always very good the question is the scope of these successes and we know that our defense forces are doing everything to prevent further advance of the enemy in the donetsk direction , despite the fact that we are not talking about our active actions there, about our counteroffensive, that is, the enemy is on the contrary in the direction of donetsk the donbass are trying to advance in different directions, with one exception

, there in the bakhmut area, where we are active , everything else is nasty there, in siverskyi, other directions are trying to counterattack and try to knock us out of positions to create conditions for a further offensive as for zaporizhzhia, the enemy is holding positions and we are literally gnawing at everyone on this front, let's say to everyone on this front to the english, from each there 100, 200-300 m . we have to understand there, there is also no rapid advance that someone there dreamed of, but our defense forces are doing the maximum possible. well, if we take the kherson direction directly, then the situation is more stable here , there are some successes, in particular, the actions of our

military who are now trying to consolidate success and they continue to inflict losses on the enemy, the enemy is suffering significant losses on the left bank and has continued to suffer them thanks to our forces for several days. mr. colonel , there were a lot of warnings from president zelensky and from the head of military intelligence , kirill budanov, about the zaporizhzhia npp , an interview was released literally today kyryla budanov of the reuters agency, the answer to the question about the situation at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, we will hear and see, the threat is receding, receding what happened again i'm sorry, i can't give you an answer to this, but it's a fact, the threat is receding, it's stated that it won't happen, i don't understand, this means that at least we all

somehow postponed the man-made disaster together with joint efforts, but we didn't avert it until the station is captured, it can happen again at any time - at what point, despite all the warnings of the ukrainian leadership, the world has been watching for a year and a half how the russians are holding the entire planet hostage because the nuclear power plant is the same nuclear weapon in in the hands of terrorists, especially on foreign territory, on territory occupied by russians, why do you think there are no such sharp statements of sharp movements in relation to rosatom in relation to the actions of the russian occupiers, or does everyone understand that what is happening in principle is the usual blackmail and putin up to a certain limit well

will keep, as budano says, the whole world is in tension until the russian army leaves. well, of course, for russia, blackmail , first of all, we don't know what happened there, we only know from budano's words that at first, the threat grew. then, according to bohdanov's words, what is the threat? that's why it's from his words and the situation. in general, we understand that uh , while the station is really in the hands of the russian federation, we cannot rule out, uh, some kind of accident , some kind of danger. we can't because it's the russian federation. they have already shown on the example of the novokakhov dam , the hpp, the so-called hydroelectric power station, that they are ready for

any disaster. by means, namely before the terrorist attack, i would say it correctly before the terrorist attack, after which a disaster will be created precisely according to you, mr. colonel, can the russian army, led by putin, continue to raise rates. uh, the highest stake in this game is tactical nuclear weapons , the use of tactical nuclear weapons. conventionally speaking, hiroshima and nagasaki, well, at least he drew parallels between how the americans struck japan, 300,000 people were injured there as a result of these strikes in 1945, and between what could happen in ukraine , it is usually a shame to see respectable people who were really respected in the world and i have the same putin, medvedev, for example, maybe they were more afraid, understood who they really are, but still

respected them, now they have become just such clowns who, in fact, in their lifetime did not create anything in the same russian federation a imitated nuclear weapons from the soviet union, in the creation of which they also took part , and in particular, our specialists, especially the carriers of ukrainians, did this. and now they are threatening the whole world, they are just funny dwarfs who are trying to charm and make fun of what, in fact , we did not participate in at all they just robbed this country, and now they are trying to threaten the world, so now, in principle, everyone accepts it. thus , because they didn’t speak there, i don’t think that tactically, nuclear weapons are what they can limit the russian federation, as a matter of fact, the question here is that they will be threatened by people, people, for the sake of preserving their power, they can go there to the most extreme measures , whether it is a nuclear tactical weapon or some

operational weapon, but it can threaten it , and the whole world understands that the russians especially the leadership that is currently holding power is like a monkey with a grenade, which at any moment thinking irrationally can throw this grenade therefore, we must introduce all our policies and the west must bring its policies to including the military, taking into account the fact that nuclear weapons are in the hands of criminals and who understand that if they lose power , they will sit behind bars or, let's say, they will be put on trial and there already. of course, what methods will be used there, it will already depend on what they didn't have time to do until then. until they get to under-under numbers, and we have to take into account that they can go to the end and thus build policy , mr. colonel, and one topic is relevant

on the eve of the allocation of the next package of military aid in the size or amount of 800 million dollars are cluster munitions. the united states of america plans to provide ukraine with cluster munitions, at least that is what the cbs news tv channel claims, referring to american officials, and this information has already caused a wide discussion even among those partners with whom we are in contact at the beginning of the great war, who help us. the same germany they they comment quite cautiously on the possibility of the ukrainians using cluster munitions, they say that not everything is so clear-cut and one should be careful military viewer of the british tv channel scenus-shonbel also says that the consequences of the use of cluster munitions in ukraine will be felt for many years, since some of the munitions do not explode and remain on the territory, so it will be difficult

for sappers to work with it. institution regarding the provision of such ammunition to the ukrainians well, first of all, we must understand that there was a convention that forbade the signing, there was an agreement that prohibited some countries that signed it to use cluster munitions and not the united states, not the russian federation, not ukraine, did not sign , so we have the full right to use these munitions, this is the first , second, russia, from the very beginning of the war , uses these munitions against us to the full extent, both for mining and for impressing our positions, then this the russians use third parties without any problems at all - it can strengthen our combat capabilities because we understand and give us a larger amount of ammunition because we have to understand that

the amount of ammunition used now there are ordinary shrapnel fire extinguishers , there are armor-piercing fire extinguishers, so much so that they no longer take out or, in fact, take so much ammunition from them that they themselves do not have time to build and produce them, and now they say that we are adding these ammunition because we will run out of such ordinary ones, but these are also effective there, looking at what type of ammunition exactly, because we will be provided with the artillery ones. as far as i know, the prices there are for rocket salvo fire systems. therefore, now there is a remote minus system and everything. therefore, once again i say this will give us the opportunity to have for more years a range of ammunition precisely in caliber 155 - this is a defensive carnage , this is high-explosive fragmentation, this is cluster munitions - these are excaliburs, which are guided ammunition, and this will give us the opportunity to better perform fire tasks when,

for example, we have a fire task to knock out the enemy's acquisitions. yes, we put, for example, we take a detonator, er, set it up for detonation there 15 or 20 m above the ground, and in this way we can knock out the enemy from the trenches , if necessary, we put a bunker on a mine and we use high-explosives, if necessary, the escalaba technique, this increases our capabilities, i say once again for the performance of combat missions, humanity here is the question of the land, we will clear now the question of preserving this land with our own and not leading to the point that i will then protect the russian federation from uh-uh different types of munitions, as for our partners who uh because of the same germany who condemn the transfer of uh these uh munitions to us, i will say that this can probably be called such a populist consistent policy because germany refused and it cannot support politicians come to power somehow and clearly support what the state

is doing , if the state refused, it cannot speak. ammunition, they cannot tell the voters that we support their use, but at the same time, they were convicted before that, so i think this is a continuation of a consistent policy, and we will communicate with our partners, and here you know the question, what does it say in my favor, and as they said, they could make a decision that nato countries would provide it, well, nato would provide uh, these ammunitions, for example, then of course the decision had to be made by consensus , and of course those countries are more than 100 countries. i think i don't know how many specifically nato should have voted for providing of these cluster munitions, of course, somewhere one country was against the fact that in nato we remember that everything is accepted by consensus, so these

belt elections did not reach us and it was decided that the government of each state separately the decision to provide ukraine with a certain type of ammunition. i think this was done specifically so that, er, we received a certain type of ammunition, and then internal politics is the internal matter of each country. volodymyr zelenskyi is on an eastern european tour and yesterday he was in bulgaria, today he was in the czech republic, in slovakia he should be in turkey and we know that he will also go to vilnius themselves, but they understood what volodymyr zelenskyi is trying to do now to enlist the support of eastern european countries well, and in particular bulgaria, yesterday in bulgaria zelensky spoke with the president and he criticized the president of bulgaria romen radov for his words that weapons will not help to end a full-scale war against

russia, and the council generally said that there is no military solution there are weapons that won't solve anything. zelensky in response simply criticized this statement. i understand that bulgaria was interesting for us not only from the point of view of support in the north atlantic alliance, but there are a lot of former soviet weapons and large warehouses left, and bulgaria could help us, including with the soviet planes that are stationed there. i understand that in bulgaria , why, according to you, did sofia react to zelenskyi's request and in general to these negotiations why do they constantly talk about the fact that there is no military solution and that weapons will not solve anything? that is, they were convinced from moscow that there is no need to help kiev, well

, first of all, bulgaria is really important to us with its ammunition and warehouses, which in most cases already they took away almost all the pluses, they have factories that manufacture soviet-style ammunition, and let's just say that they also help us a lot, so when they talk with weapons , it won't help, they are one of the last sponsors, er, we will tell them before the delivery, including ammunition for us that's why we thank you so much for this and other types of armored vehicles and that's all. i think that it concerns such statements of the president of bulgaria . maybe he has some reasons for this. about whether the armed forces will help this war or not, and whether there are any solutions, i think the president of bulgaria wants to decide them, such as to end the war this year or

to end the war in a few months, and here we as the military understand that no matter how many weapons we have, we will not be able to weapons to end the military conflict by the end of the year or a few months ago because russia also has a lot of weapons and we will continue to say that we will knock out their potential for a long time and we will say that we will not be able to do it by the end of the year precisely by military means, so apparently he wants to quickly the end of the war and he says weapons won't help. let's negotiate, but we understand that weapons will help. we just have to understand that this is a long game, and in order to negotiate something, you need to have a strong position , a strong army, and negotiate only about how much russia will pay for a week he will leave our territory in two days, so i have an explanation that he wants a quick end to this war. and we understand that from russia, the president understands that it will not be easy with russia, so we need

weapons to reduce their military potential in order to have a good position in the future and expel russia from our territory against this background, the prime minister of the czech republic petr fiala , with whom volodymyr zelenskyi met today, said that the czech republic will help ukraine and helps the ukrainian army a lot, we will hear that said fiala, it's inspiring how bravely ukraine stands against russia, i hope that our supplies of military aid e-e support it in this czech military aid suppliers have been working for a long time e-e the war has been going on for 57 days in our country

sent 667 pieces of heavy equipment and larger ones, too, from four million ammunitions , this means that every day 10,000 pieces of communication equipment or at least one tank leave for ukraine , we must continue to do this to support ukraine, the czech republic and the entire democratic world must do this today , i confirmed to mr. president that the czech republic will donate attack helicopters to ukraine in the coming months , another 100,000 pieces of large-caliber immunity ammunition. sorry, the czech republic will help train specialists for aircraft

f-16 and will provide ukraine with a simulator for such training well, let's hear what zelensky said about long-range weapons , how difficult it will be to conduct an offensive mission without long-range weapons without them, it is difficult not only to carry out an offensive mission , but to be honest, it is very difficult to conduct a defense operation, this speaks of the fact that you are defending your land and you cannot reach a-a the appropriate distance to destroy your enemy, that is , the enemy has a distance advantage, so it is important for, i would say so, not only for offensive, but for the defense of offensive actions the long-range weapons of our military are not news, we are talking about this we are talking about the appropriate weapons with our partners mr. colonel, in the last year and a half, who has impressed you in eastern european countries

and who has not ? in the initial periods of the full-scale invasion of the russian federation, practically everyone was unpleasantly impressed . yes, and because no one expected such resistance from ukraine and no one believed in ukraine, practically no one there spoke of the kind of stakes that were from the very beginning, we understand that these were such primitive supplies, yes, they still handed them over , but they were not supplies that gave us the opportunity to fight in the second army of the world, uh, there were some pronatomes, machine guns and all that stuff receiving the united states poland great britain when they already saw that we are something more than just there grenade launchers where for close combat when the guns already went away because of course they were unpleasantly impressed at the beginning from france, which there declared

that putin must save face germany what also turned out to be going to, let's say, some kind of negotiations. when we were given 3,000 helmets and we tried to convert them to you, but such countries as the czech republic, lithuania, latvia, estonia, the same poland, they understood that there was no choice , they immediately began to give us e in terms of gdp, in relation to that what they have, they gave more than there to partners who have much more weapons of all kinds, while the big countries were swinging, they gave almost everything, so we immediately see that well, who helped us immediately and history - this will be remembered by other countries they rocked for a long time, but to give credit, now they are already starting to help there, despite some statements, this is great. thank you, but only after they saw that we are strong and they can stand next to the strong. thank you , colonel

. it was a novel. live, as well as on our boards on youtube and facebook for those who are watching us live now, please like this video, subscribe to our social networks, contact us further oleksandr musienko, head of the center for military and legal studies, mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our conversation. i congratulate you. so, today volodymyr zelensky is finishing his eastern european tour , bulgaria, the czech republic, slovakia, and he has to go to turkey, obviously with er-e regep and ip erdoğan, he will not speak only about the extension of the grain agreement, which ends on july 17. and obviously also about supporting ukraine on the way to nato, because turkey plays a very important role, we noticed this after finland and sweden passed this

the stage regarding joining nato, but it is obvious that the topic of negotiations with russia may not be on this conversation either, what does zelenskyy want on the eve of the vilnius summit by embarking on this tour of eastern europe and turkey well, eastern europe is understood because the geography of the countries is also understood in bulgaria, the czech republic, slovakia from the point of view of strengthening our defense-technical cooperation and it is important. i want to remind you that bulgaria is one of those countries that supplied a large number of soviet-type shells and other weapons that ukraine needs. the country that was the first to actually hand over the powerful s300 anti-aircraft defense tool to us. well, what little did it hand over . that is, it is certainly not a patriot, but

it was also useful to us. because those helicopters will be. well, slovakia is also a production in this case of artillery. therefore, from the point of view of strengthening our relations, it is deepening of cooperation in the defense-industrial complex, which is one of priorities should be one of the priorities now against the background of the war, this is clear. and as for turkey, it is definitely indirect, this can be explained in the same way with defense and technical cooperation, because we have a number of projects with turkey, and turkey has supplied us with weapons. tli i think that most likely this is the issue of the grain agreement , bringing some clarity to what is also important for turkey, and turkish president erdoğan , he personally put it to his credit as

a positive example of where turkey can to put in the effort and actually be such a mediator and the second point, i think that it is really the same and the nato summit turkey held important already plays a role in the security of the black sea region as far as the negotiations with russia are concerned, you understand well, of course what from this now let's say this information about the fact that erdoğan plans to talk with putin after the meeting with the ukrainian president, it immediately and may raise certain doubts, but well, before that, there was nothing new, it happened more than once. moreover, i want to remind you that, after all, turkey does not stop contributing their proposals that they want the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi and the russian dictator putin to meet in ankara or istanbul. that is, it is constant, but it does not mean that it will happen, because it seems to me that there are currently

negotiations about some parameters. we understand very well that this will not happen, because no matter what anyone says, let's say some conspiracy theory or some assumptions even before the president redagan can propose it, i have no doubt that he will propose it. i have almost no doubt that it will be heard at the meeting, but i i don't think it will have any consequences, that's the question , the next nato summit will be held in vilnius on july 11-12, and everyone is actually waiting for the results on the eve of it , the ukrainian side said that we expect ukraine to become a member of the north atlantic alliance of the stoltenberg alliance today he said that the leaders of the nato countries at this summit will approve a multi-year support package for ukraine that will bring it closer to the alliance, let's hear what the secretary general of the north atlantic