[000:00:00;00] everything that is happening in ukraine and the world vitaliy portnikov host espresso and invitation experts based on facts give their assessment and forecast of the development of events, you want to understand how our today will affect our tomorrow see the saturday political club that saturdays are not with the press again good health , we will move now from ukraine all the way to georgia , nanana ne bieridze, a public figure from georgia , now i hope she's finished eating come to us and we 'll talk with her about the situation surrounding the third president of georgia mr. saakashvili . hello nano, thank you for finding the time.

good evening. we are from georgia, look at it. i think it is important, as i understand it, in georgia there is some kind of freedom of speech. this means that georgians see what mikhail saakashvili looks like. we don't see mass protests, not for political reasons, but for humanistic reasons, nothing more. just, well, if a check dies , anyone. i'm not even talking about the president, if he looks like that. well, maybe something needs to be done about it. i don't know where the hospital is. you will be transported to ukraine, poland, germany, england, anywhere, and but, georgians, i don’t see a reaction, i don’t see when there were these terrible russian laws in march, then there were a thousand people, dozens came out and defended themselves

, the man is dying, nothing good, let’s start, we will use it in order on your broadcast, and first of all, of course, i would like to congratulate your general zuluzhny on his wonderful birthday today, necessarily because he is not only a hero and a living legend of ukraine, he is a legend of most of the world, and i am more i am sure that it will be a very short time and the new generation will learn from his textbooks, so to speak. thank you, let's return to georgia now. of course, the situation is not easy. what is happening today with the third president, that is, mikhail saakashvili , is certainly not let's accept it now we are talking about the civilized world and that's why the life of the third president, of course, it

should be protected and how is the life of any human being ? e you know, i'm still more than sure that uh, madam president , she made straws, uh, um, i think i'll solve this issue because you probably know literally a month ago . also, one of the uh, oppositionists was released from prison and the director is very well aware of how much we will tell the tv channels, the goods, er, nobody, nobody, i want to emphasize that moment, er, nobody, frame him, er, well, one of probably the first and only ones who responded very harshly and incorrectly to the president, but

despite this, he did not look she is on it she signed the document and he was released, and after literally leaving prison, he publicly apologized for everything he said to ms. saakashvili, uh, i'm sure that probably putin could say to someone who is not there, ivanyshvili said that yes, let him die, but somehow, after all, people in georgia may be outraged a second time or something else, or, for example, georgia may not be accepted into the european union, nato, or it will be postponed perspective somehow

then the georgian government wants the one that has its own real straw - they earned it, and it's just that these prime ministers, the cabinet of ministers , the majority in the supreme parliament, and so on and so on , the shadow president, that's what they really want kill, leave, weaken, quarrel with europe, make peace with putin what plans do they have for mr. saakashvili , look at it based on the fact that this is purely my subjective opinion. we are talking about his visual and physical condition, that's right, i will repeat it once again, this is not acceptable, this is the action of the right-wing party , so why don't people come out and protest ? you know, for example, i absolutely support the president of ukraine.

and mrs. zelenskyi is that he offered georgia a favor to leave his country, so to speak, and find out on the spot what is really happening, so let's not rush the event and wait, i think that literally in the course of several well, maybe week, we will get a more reliable and more correct position, uh, from ambassador georgia, and look at us, what else did you ask? and you just mentioned this phrase , the right-wing party. well, it definitely does not add points to the situation around saakashvili . they are what they see themselves as people who don't have much time left, that's why they need to make moscow as pleasant as possible or steal money. i don't know, but i'm just watching from the sidelines. i'm true. i was in georgia exactly

a month before the great war, uh, well, how would you say with different people but that's what i have the feeling that the ruling party no longer wants to be in power because it is doing everything for that reason, they adopt this march law , they want to kill saakashvili, they try hard and criticize western countries, and so on, and that is why they somehow try not to stay in power or i'm wrong, i don't understand then and then this policy of this political party, see i 'll repeat it again. as for saakashvila , of course, we do not accept this, but there is another moment here, and we should not give in to the provocation of the right-wing party which, unfortunately, today they are friends with the russian federation, but this should not

play into the hands of the people of georgia and ukraine . the only thing who came to help the georgians. they were ukrainians, and believe me, such things are not forgotten, and today they arrived by helicopter and evacuated georgians who were fleeing from khuma. such moments in life, they are not forgotten, they couldn’t remember what has passed. in fact, 30 years is a lot, but for such uh events and in order to remember all of this, of course, this is a short

time. and that’s why we uh to ukraine, to my beloved ukrainians , please believe that all of georgia i have and lead a civilized people. 500 days since the beginning of these terrible events is terrible wars unfortunately, we know very well what a russian boot is in your house, so let's say we know it very well. let's relive all those events and i'm sure that a short time will pass and we'll definitely believe

you i give you my word on the air that you'll call me and tell me the war is over and we've won i'll take a ticket and i'll fly to you we'll cry for a long time we'll cry for a long time we will remember all the dead not only by hugging ukrainians, but also those heroes of georgians and the georgian legion who fight on the side of truth. thank you very much . neberidze, a public figure from georgia was with us on the air. thank you very much. she explained to us what is happening in georgia and gave us hope that a ukrainian citizen and the third georgian president mikhail saakashvili will still get an improvement in his living conditions now , he definitely does not have the best living conditions . i don't see, i don't know where in the world the living conditions of a prison can be better than the living conditions on

a free land, preferably ukrainian ones. because here for sure no one will offend him, it's an obvious story, we're going to go to the commercial anyway, i'll take a look right now, let's go to the commercial , and then we'll talk with you about business, business in the broadest sense, business is business. in ukraine, what are the economic affairs from russia, we will talk about all this with mr. vasyl furman, doctor of economic sciences and now there will still be three minutes for advertising , it is always easier to get poisoned when ordinary water is not enough for adults and children, i recommend reo let's save ourselves with water, reo water for special medical purposes, 10% discounts on the number two in one, in pharmacies, traveller

, pan, and savings events, the most important events, events that are happening right now and affect our lives, of course, the news feed reports about them, but it is not enough to know what is happening , you need to understand antin borkovskii and invited experts soberly evaluate events , analyze them by modeling our near future every saturday at 1:00 p.m. with a repeat at 10:00 p.m. studio event with anton borkovskii nayspresso with you vitaliy portnikov and we will discuss about the main events of this week vitaly portnikov and top experts about the most striking events of the last seven days our guest will be the generator of satellite forces former

national security adviser to the president of the united states donald trump herbert mcmaster we will cut out current topics hot questions authoritative comments and forecasts in the project information marathon with vitaly portnikov every sunday at 8:10 p.m. on espresso, every day , every hour, every minute, we receive a large amount of information about how wagner is getting out of trouble or whether the belgorod region will join ukraine do ukrainians listen to russian songs from the stream of news coming from far and wide, we single out the most important fake news about their so-called disappearance. the results of the week are a review of only important events, important reliable events - this is analytics, fact checking, expert comments, we will tell you all about it in the next 30 minutes about important things in simple language available to all viewers in the iryna koval studio and for your attention in summary of the week

news summary of the week every saturday at 9:00 p.m. on espresso andriy yanitsky keeps the economy under control so we talk about news of the economy on expresso channel, but it's not about dry numbers and arrogant terms, it's about the economy, it's about the ability to analyze , forecast and get a profit, but what will be the exchange rates of salaries and pensions and how will the prices of products change, information about everything that affects our wallet, and informed means armed, see economy news project with andriy yanitskyi on weekdays at 8:10 a.m. at espresso da good health we have about 15 minutes left, which would be a great time

to talk about the economy vasyl furman doctor of economic sciences with us good health, mr. vasyl thank you for finding time for us on saturday evening, see yurii gordnichenko is known i think to everyone who is interested, a professor at the university of california, berkeley, one of the most famous ukrainian economists abroad he says that he expects what in three four years, the ukrainian economy will recover because he says that there was a 30% drop , the base is very low and it is necessary to calculate that 10% per year, after the victory, ukraine can afford to rise, well, if it is so, then it is that's how it works out to be 3-4 years and there will be a recovery, how much can you believe in such simple numbers if it's arithmetic

, then i would believe it, but i'm not an economist, you're an economist, i 'm from if 10 to 10 and 10 will be exactly 30, what do you say, i'll say that well, in my opinion my personal opinion, yes, indeed , what was predicted by yurii gornichenko is very realistic. by the way, the economy of ukraine needed a similar period of time after the fall at the beginning of the war . important well in this matter - this is, well, the further development of our state, just this sunday, there were a lot of discussions about whether ukraine will be able to make the gdp there at the level of one trillion dollars within 10 years. well, maybe a shorter time interval , as they say sometimes, that is, an interesting question

in fact and the opinion of the experts is very divided. today, if you look there , for example, in social networks, i would like to say the only thing about this occasion. well, i worked there in the business, that is, when the shareholders give you a task, and accordingly, to achieve indicators then you have to look for e-e resources in order to fulfill a very ambitious goal , that is, a lot rests on finances . well, it's also a big big enterprise. that is, we, too, in the world, compete for the future , for economic development, for resources, for profit , so any country develops effectively and successfully, when well, first,

let's call it the basic level, the basic level is we should have very investment-friendly legislation, i.e. we should have a judicial law enforcement customs tax service that europe has at least, and if from the point of view of taxation it is possible and better, and then today's discussion that is going on in society about the level of taxes there 10 10 multipliers deserves attention can discuss about the level of the same but really the taxation system should be better in europe and er today an investor who chooses to build his own enterprise, for example, he will already choose, for example, between poland, romania and ukraine it's just that if ukraine can prove that the conditions here are better than in those countries that press back , then the investor will come here to build.

they are looking for suitable locations where to build their enterprises and now there are many different ones, for example, they look like poland or romania, ah, and well, one of the leaders of the tire industry, for example, he hesitated, poland chose romania after all romania because there are so many reasons, and one of the reasons is, for example, there is a low tax legislation , that is, a high-quality judicial system, and another very huge plus was the active work of the government or government bodies to attract this enterprise so that they they built this enterprise there precisely on the territory of romania, so we will do the same in ukraine

. the judicial law enforcement system has not changed in 2-3 years, this is a decade, you yourself know better than i do, because after all , you have a relationship with business, everything was very successful, what saakashvili managed to do in georgia on the micro level on the macro level was to imitate a-a and create a judicial branch such like in europe, give it like in romania, although you yourself know that in romania there were big problems with corruption and law enforcement, but still they overcame it in 15 years, but in 15 and that's it. well, what to do, how to deal with that do as in in kazakhstan, it’s easy to translate all the business and friction into an english court. which one does everyone trust and say you will judge now in the english courts, the judicial

authorities, what to do with the court because we will never get out of this, well, at least for many years. excuse me look at what to do with a seizure and you gave the example of saakashvili simply and uh really when i saakashvili became the president it was the first term uh and he served two terms looks on our viewers we just really reform the judicial system what was already after saakashvili and what we are like today we are watching the judicial system, well, let's say it condemns and destroys him as a person, but this is a completely different issue and simply says that i would once again like to talk about the first periods of saakashvili's management, that is, there was a political will to change the judicial system, change the turnover , corruption, do... the customs service there in europe, they were able to do it in a sufficient amount of time in a short period of time. i think that we are doing a lot in this matter and i see how the state is changing simply that we

can also change just the population of the army of this they are waiting. i would also like to say briefly, this is the same story, that is, this fish is not enough to make an economic leap, there are just three other factors, that is, finances, that is, i really hope that we will receive significant investments for the reconstruction of our state, that is, in this the question is clear, the second factor is the people. that is, it is also just as important, simply and necessarily, as a resource . we have lost a lot as a result of the war. we know that there are about nine million people living outside of ukraine today, and it is an extremely huge task to return the ukrainians back then. that this is a huge resource for economic revival and the third factor is technology. that is, it is also important for us, of course, because it is profitable here. that is, we need to structurally rebuild them and uh, this issue also needs to work very, very, very hard,

then we, the children, will be able to do so. if there are these three factors, if there is such a thing, he said to make an economic leap and really ah and general numbers or general goals that we set for ourselves in order to achieve such an economic leap from the third countries for the first time economic revival of the rapid that is, well, then these plans may look more optimistic, we won’t be able to, uh, if we take a pessimistic scenario just like that, then the situation will be a little different, more complicated, but we should all clearly understand one simple thing. look at our enemy, historically, he will always be, that is, and we will go to russia the federation is simple and we will be able to oppose this country only when we are economically strong and we simply have no other option to become economically strong, to be reborn a-a-p vasyl, look at me, i’m so cunning question you just listed all these factors and i will not argue here , but your words about people caught my attention. look, i always say in discussions, you know. well, somehow

the americans in general, the anglo-saxons came up with how to encourage those who want and they will pull everything if i want to be a businessman then i need to somehow contribute, somehow encourage and then the question arises in ukraine, there is not this, this is not enough, this is not the policy of the state, when is the state, do you remember back in the soviet period, first, no, when you were in the soviet union, get rich at that time there was such a slogan and everyone understood that even that lenin , let's go ahead and make money with all our might, because we will die of hunger, and there is no such thing in ukraine , i don't know if it's because of the envy of the people, but this is to encourage those who want to. i want to be a banker, i need to be

given an opportunity, i want to be an agricultural businessman, i need to be given the opportunity and it's not so easy, it's such a bureaucracy , it's the substation, the firemen forbid you everything, you can't, eh, the customs takes bribes, as you correctly said , and so on and so forth, there is no judicial branch i can’t come to complain to the customs office and so on and so on, that is, what about people, how can the state just push that small handful of people, maybe 10, maybe 20%, who want to be businessmen in various industries and help them become businessmen and pull them along and pay big taxes and then ukraine will become i don't know germany poland austria or the united states or japan i don't know well you asked a very difficult question to be honest and this question it is not even now

and 10 years was relevant and 20 years relevant for our country, therefore, if what i said is necessary, there will be relevant reforms in the court of law enforcement of the customs tax system , that is, if it will work in our country, which in europe, then no one will have nightmares about business, this is the first, second, it is clear that a system is needed people's support, as you say, that is, from the point of view. simply, if you want to be a farmer or create your own small business , that is, you need to be. well, state law , they are. it was started 10-20 years ago, even before the covid, that is, i was sent primarily to support small businesses, it just so happened historically that after the covid, the program was expanded and re-rented, then the great war came , the program was re-rented once again and to this day that is, if you look at the program, it is directed there, well, by 60% -

it is in this sector of our state and interest and other sectors of our state, that is, and such a program is needed. also, by the way, this is one of of structural beacons to the brothers of international business, where it is stated that a program must be put in place so that it is not directed to big business but is directed to support small business, that is , we have grants today, where they are small amounts, i understand, but what am i leading to? i completely agree with the words that you are talking about. that is, we need these programs that those people who work today , for example, in the agricultural economy of poland, so that they can still see topics for ukrainians, you see, can still come here to work on ukrainian land or in other sectors, now a little about russia , this is the last 1.5 weeks, that's something, because they, how to say , computer records, i very often listen to russian

liberal hmm economists, financiers they said for uh, for a dollar, 90 rubles will be close december, but the russian federation said in the soviet union that it took a counter-plan now from july and the dollar is already worth 93 rubles. is this a temporary phenomenon? is it a permanent phenomenon? what can you say about the strength of the russian economy and the strength of the russian currency if to call the ruble a currency, yes, it is true, there are many restrictions, and it loses a lot and will lose in the future due to sanctions, so look at any national currency and its strength or weakness is reflected by the strength and weakness of the economy, and the stronger the economy, the er, a stronger national currency, for example, one or the other strongest currency in

the world compared to the dollar, because the american economy is the strongest, or there is the euro, or there is the pound, that is, many other strong currencies can be called now what it concerns the russian economy, yes, the ruble is really weakening because the russian economy is weaker , a lot of sanctions were introduced in connection with the war, plus they are trying to reorient themselves . they are called that is, naftogaz , they were there. well, more than 80% of all these goods are labeled today by two countries , china, india, simply, and these two countries are settled in their national currencies, that is, rupees and yuan. and this is not free

convertible currencies, that is, they are now, well, they have a big problem. and what to do with these currencies? they are trying to establish so-called parallel imports in connection with the sanctions, in simple words, contraband, and any goods that are bought in other countries, that is, i honey there are european countries, or americans, or asian countries, that is, do you need dollars or are there euros, for example , and it is clear that the demand for these currencies is very huge. connection with the drop in oil and gas revenues, today they are forced to make their national currency weaker , i.e. i can't do anything about the news here. thanks to vasyl furman, doctor of economic sciences, he informed us about the economy, and iryna koval about the general view of the espresso tv channel on the world in ukraine