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can be translated into life yesterday nato secretary general anton also spoke about three packages that could be adopted in favor of ukraine at this summit , as far as we understand, the president will be in vilnius on meeting of the nato council of ukraine , what was successful and what was not successful on the eve of this. is it too early to say? there are still no finalized decisions. usually, this is a very detailed process, and all decisions are made by the conference long before the actual meeting. actually, the meetings are already taking place with agreed decisions adopted just as far as ukraine is concerned.

so far, there are no such decisions, which means that discussions are ongoing. for us, it is important to be aware of the geopolitics of this summit, and to be aware of the need for clear wording regarding ukraine's membership in nato , so the dialogue is ongoing. however, as the secretary general noted, two of the three packages of decisions have already been agreed upon. the institutional framework, the work format, and within the framework of the ukraine nato council and the comprehensive assistance program, which provides for all measures to achieve full interoperability with the alias . well, as it was for sweden and finland, ms. olga, we have some dissonance because our president said that he will not go to the summit in vilnius if there is no concrete solution for ukraine, and he is already going, we know that he will be at the summit, that is, we have some hope, on the other hand, the head of ukrainian intelligence, kyrylo budanov said that we will be disappointed by nato

's decision, so nadiya is not expecting anything because of deliberations. well, actually the secretary general talked about three blocks of decisions, about two blocks of decisions, i already said about the third block of political decisions, the discussion is ongoing, in principle, it is necessary to understand that uh this year's meeting of nato leaders is full of influence and issues, including the issue of ukraine's membership in nato, sweden's membership in nato, and the issue of security guarantees for ukraine . leaders of asian countries , japan, and south korea will also attend the summit. that is, it is a very, very serious meeting. no matter what, we will do everything possible, including physical participation in the summit, which will help to finalize specific final decisions already at the level of leaders, tell me now there have already been public statements of western politicians such let's say as the head of the external political committee of the bundestag, mykhailo rot, who says that

ukraine can be accepted into nato with any outcome of the intermediate war and it still needs to be accepted even if the ukrainian territories are not completely liberated , the security guarantees of the fifth hospital should be distributed to the territory that will be to control the ukrainian government at the time of the acceptance of ukraine to us, do you even imagine such a hybrid option, such a thing has never happened in history well, there was not much from the other side of history ana, look at those discussions which are currently taking place in the framework of preparations for independence , they already go beyond any historical precedents or historical practice of joining nato. -and will take place when the conditions allow. we are not yet conducting a dialogue about what security conditions are sufficient to become a member of nato. but in order for this dialogue

to begin, we need a political invitation, because without it, the official machine official procedures will never be published and this dialogue actually will not take place in nato, that is why today, first of all, we are concentrating on a political decision. if there is one, then the next day we will have the opportunity in the format of the ukraine nato council to discuss the issue of the modality of the time frame of the conditions of security and god forbid, hmm, after returning us to the borders of 1991, after the victory of the quick decision on full nato membership, if there is not this unanimity and an agreed position on the eve of this, then exactly how are you already pointed out who is holding back the president of the united states, joseph biden, because he said in his last statement that ukraine is not ready for nato membership now in the midst of a war and there is no unanimity among the members of the alliance regarding

the acceptance of ukraine into nato right now, but we supposedly need to offer a rational way of qualification for joining nato, and while ukraine is not in nato, the united states will provide it with the same security guarantees as israel, and i do not want to comment on the issue of reforms and compatibility with nato, nato is also now reviewing a major the number of their policies that they were compatible with the experience of a full-scale war on the territory of europe, that is, there is a question of discussion here , and actually i also manage political reforms related to the members of ukraine in the eu, so while such statements are made, those reforms are also taking place in the country quickly, not quickly, but this the process continues even in the conditions of a full-scale war. at the same time, a very interesting transformation is taking place in 2008, when the decision to join nato was not

made regarding ukraine and europe blocked this decision today europe demands the entire eastern flank of europe and the baltic countries and the countries of northern europe unanimously say that ukraine should be able to become a member of nato, this is a very serious change and uh, that 's right . votes are equal in alliances. they will only unite the alliance, and radicalization is a negative position regarding decisions related to ukraine. you saw our president himself or in turkey yesterday, before that he had meetings with the countries of eastern europe, he was in bulgaria because of that, hmm , there are many discussions ahead, but today we know for sure that at least half or

most of the allies understand that a political solution in vilnius is absolutely possible let 's turn to the issue of european integration , how does the situation in general look today regarding ukraine's implementation of the terms of the european commission and when we can actually consider the very possibility of starting negotiations with the european union regarding of ukraine's accession to the eu. yes, congratulations. so far, our political calendar, i mean the ukrainian one and the brussels one, consists in the fact that such negotiations cannot be started at the end of the year, and today officially two of the seven political recommendations have been recognized as having been fulfilled, which is normal from a purely mathematical point of view, it does not sound very bright, but we are talking now about blocks that are connected with the creation of the media market in wartime and postwar time and with judicial reform and the formation of judicial

institutions. that is, these are the two founders of blocs and actually everything depends on us now on whether we will do our homework from the completion of tasks related to anti-corruption , the launch of a competition in the constitutional court and the actual continuation of deoligarization measures on a non-based basis, in fact, if we demonstrate good political progress on these levels until october this year, i think that at the end of the year we will be able to open a victory. i would like to return to the issue of security guarantees for ukraine, which the united states of america directly talks about as you see them mrs. olga. if they tell us that this will be a political decision, and they will tell us that ukraine will be in nato, for example, as soon as the hostilities there end, or some other conditions will set this transitional period with security guarantees as it should

be. -what details, but judging by the negotiations that my colleagues and the birds that we voiced to our partners, we know for sure that these security guarantees cannot in any way even be fired by the pawns of the memorandum, these must be legally binding contracts that provide for and long-term military cooperation and mechanisms related to responsibility for war crimes and the issue of sanctions policy , such negotiations are ongoing, they are quite difficult because the war is unprecedented on the territory of europe, and we understand today that any agreements are no longer included in the framework of any -what formats were effective in the last 70-80 years after

the end of the second world war, not everyone is ready to take real leadership in such documents, but i can positively note that today nato as the organization recognized that security guarantees cannot be individually provided by allies regarding the fact that there are no restrictions on the provision of security guarantees by allies outside of nato , in any case, it is absolutely obvious that when you are at war with a nuclear state or when it is a nuclear state that claims not part of your territory the main guarantee is how to protect such a non-nuclear country from a possible nuclear strike . well, let's call a spade a spade, and where is this tool, apart from the fifth article of nato, which can protect ukraine from

who can take such a risk, but for today , i think we will also learn to observe the processes taking place inside the russian federation and exercise - in principle , the awareness that in less than 24 hours a small military mutiny can lead to a complete destabilization of the state vertical in the russian e- e in russia he is very er very very revealing this at a time when since february 24 , ukraine has not lost control of the state at all, therefore er actually e in order for a nuclear strike to take place, everything must work the chain of military and civilian leadership and to date from the events that we are observing in the russian federation, it is very unlikely that this will take place, which means that the time is right now for decisive actions of the west to protect its security and to protect its stability and that is why we

and yes, well, we are somewhat aggressively insisting on strong , powerful decisions at the summit. well, if we are already talking about preventive integration about european integration, then it is realistic. so when you look at the beginning of negotiations with the european union, how long will the process itself take to translate if remember that it didn't take years for our neighbors. well, there are five to seven years, and how long are we ready for such a marathon, and how much do we have to tell the citizens ? we will do our homework can there be a more optimistic scenario can there be a more optimistic scenario actually, today we also understand that the european commission has proposed 50 billion euros for four years, this is a process that will really be connected with the accession of ukraine to the eu and that in general another

the format of which did not exist for any country that claimed or was moving towards membership in the european union, therefore the speed of joining the eu will depend on how we plan our reforms related to receiving these funds, my understanding is that we can to do this very qualitatively and it will allow us to become a member of the european union very quickly without harming our economy , at the same time it is quite an unpredictable process and indeed a process of centralization with the eu internal market and the main part is related not politically related to the student it can be quite long. and today we demonstrated a record time, actually skipping through our interaction mechanism many stages that took years before that, so we are quite optimistic

. we are preparing for the negotiations . but i can’t give guidance on the terms, but i can guarantee that i am sure that we will allow the european union itself to delay this process, and we must fully implement the association agreement for for the negotiation process to begin and should it be two parallel tracks with uh what in general in an hour about the association will be in such situations well we actually even now do not know that the association because because it works but at the same time we are a candidate state for us other conditions, er, our parliament adopted almost all the legislation provided for by the association agreement, and all other changes and reforms provided for by this agreement are already being transformed into reforms related to eu membership.

all the remaining transformations will already be sent to the membership, this will mean that we must be compatible with the market, our documents must comply with the standard ones . the corruption risk during the war did not disappear, and on the contrary, it increased in the western media, which also hardly contributes to our popularity in this regard, so to speak, in the most interesting or did you actually appear i already

mentioned about 50 billion euros, this is a lot of money, but even before that we received a lot of money - it is 18 billion euros of macro-financial assistance. yes, it is constantly active and actually this new program financially provides for a strict system of financial monitoring that will combine the work of audit bodies and law enforcement agencies and the court of auditors, the chamber of auditors of the european union and the european anti-fraud agencies, this is a new system that we have to build , but it will be a very serious control of funds because, in the end, the european commission is accountable to the member states, and accordingly, for each euro, we will report to the european commission, and the european commission to the state members of that system, actually, this system is currently being built, but it must be said very clearly that all the funds that have been sent to the state today are also under control, and

there are no complaints about their waste the ministry of finance is such a very powerful watch dog that actually protects its authority and very strongly controls their use. this is very good, ms. olga. thank you for participating in the broadcast. "in touch well, we are moving on petro shevchenko analyst graduate student of the department of international economics of the university of dzhilin we are in touch we welcome mr. petro this is ours well let 's start with the most sensational publication of the western press devoted to china this week this is a message from pn sultaets that the president of the people's republic of china, xi jinping, personally warned the president of the russian federation, vladimir putin, about the use of nuclear weapons in ukraine, the kremlin has already denied this information in china, they do not comment, but it is interesting. do you believe in the authenticity of this information, that all dolphin really could talk about it with putin, i believe

that this topic was brought up because for china it is a fundamental red line and in general, a moment that er refers to its global strategy. therefore, this is a question. it one hundred percent, another matter was discussed, namely, what exactly was the connotation of this discussion, because they pointed out to the financial times that it was, as it were, directly such as pressure from china, so a personal meeting with a waterman from inpain in march of last year, and it seems that all of them, as you put it directly in front of the fact -e of the russian e-e leader maybe so but maybe it wasn't directly said that you should act as we want , most likely this topic was raised, it was discussed because it is very sensitive for china, but was it directly done in to such an order tony. i think this is a debatable question regarding the shanghai organization. let's summarize its implementation directly. i wonder why

iran and belarus are being dragged into the sco. iran has already been dragged into the sco, but belarus can become a participant in the next year. it still tried to have such big consequences as last year, but that that here is iran, he is very proactively moving in the direction of this bloc and is being dragged along . that is, it is profitable after all in this. let's say this, the moscow axis, but also an integral one, he is also interested in what they see the fact that eurasia can become more subjective to you on the contrary. let's say this is how they imagine this in the american global leadership. if we are talking about belarus, then this is a very important geo-strategic point precisely for beijing, because it is again on the one hand logistics to the markets of western europe. and secondly, it is the special relations with minsk that allow

such pressure on the russian federation . fundamental questions for themselves, first of all the question of the grain agreement, it is obvious that katya is also a country interested in its implementation, so that the global south receives grain, so that china, by the way, receives ukrainian grain, and russia says that it will not be implemented. now there are no real prospects that russia will give up its desire. well, i will still hypothetically say that with a high probability this agreement will be extended precisely because of the role of china and because of that that china is entering as such a logistician of the countries of the global south. by the way, according to statistics, china is one of the main recipients

of this domestic agricultural production with this grain agreement, that is, if we are talking about china's global toolkit in relation to the influence on the russian federation, then it is now very powerful, that is, if we take the period of time before the start of a full-scale war and now in china, this lever of influence on the russian elites and in general on , let’s say, even domestic political certain russian issues because well, of course, china. he, er, understands very well the theory of the use of the economy of the economy to achieve political goals - this is the economy of state craft, and that is why he uses it. he knows exactly what it is. thanks to him, the russian economy is now afloat. actively uses and believes that he will not also achieve certain of his national interests, er, political ones, for example, this is naive and iverse - the russian federation knows everything. they are trying

to minimize chinese influence where they can but if we take it in general terms, now the influence is very big and china is using it, for example, this is the very sexy gadget, and it showed that although the russian federation likes the following . now let's strengthen it, but china does not pay attention to it anymore, it simply implements its foreign policy goals as you evaluate the virtual ones of the shanghai cooperation organization, the previous non -virtual meeting in samarkand created a huge amount of sensation, yes, this meeting , which was hosted by india, somehow did not become a holiday unity, although iran became a full member of the organization. well, as you and i said earlier that this summit was, after all , a derivative of last year's, which was really so breakthrough, and where you already felt that this is really such a geopolitical

block that positions itself as a counterbalance, well, conventionally speaking, there is a numerator and so on, although here, well, that is, it is also a destructive question , because, like bricks, it wants to position itself as a counterbalance to the j7, but after all, it is more about security, geopolitics, and so on. well if we said let's talk about this one ourselves, then he was still sluggish and i think that the last role here is played by these events on the battlefield here in ukraine. yes, because after all, the position of the russian federation is weakening, and china and india they still can't find this very strong basis for cooperation because their potential and competitiveness, because they are natural competitors, it still prevails over a certain potential of their cooperation and just if you remember now that's what this summit is about is modi he visited the usa and it was also such a wake-up call for beijing, who said that

he simply made it clear that india has its interests, yes, it is ready to cooperate calmly, but it will not forget about its foreign strategy there, and it is defined as a challenge . and why india instead of demonstrating a certain unification of this particular part of the world, she also showed it in a fashion show in her statement about a certain split with china, in particular regarding the territory occupied by pakistan and claimed by india and regarding this infrastructure object one belt, one road well, as the chinese say, there cannot be two suns in the sky, there cannot be two emperors to the earth, likewise if we take this region, especially small southern southern asia, then in south asia china and india are such natural competitors , historical competitors and which are competing for regional supremacy

, and that is why india is now using all opportunities to strengthen itself, and this opportunity , together with the united states of america , to control the growth of china, and also to contain the growth of china, is an opportunity in countries to strengthen moreover, india has now become the most populated country in the world and this means a very big competitive advantage, first of all, over china and india . it just wants to use these moments of cooperation with the united states when they can cooperate politically and economically when already the americans will bet in the region no well not on china as before yes and already enter the indian market and so on . that is, it's just, well, it's just an ox-politician, it's a real policy when every chest wants it to maximize their interests and , unfortunately, they often maximize their interests. it comes out at the expense of the ruins of other

countries. the chinese also understand that, and that is why he is trying to increase ties with whom with whom with pakistan, and we are talking about this very long-term dispute about this budget the competition is so enmity between pakistan and india. unfortunately, these interests of india will continue to find such confrontations despite the fact that it will still try and find a certain balance so that their entire consultation it has not become so, it is no longer controlled, but unfortunately, they are not changing the very structure of relations in the near future . well, when zempin came to this summit in samarkand, the chinese media said that china is the obvious leader that the shanghai cooperation organization should to the organization - this is china. well, on this virtual one, china itself did not look like letters . that's why the problem is. i think for beijing. yes, this is

really such a moment. what do you think, in principle , how much after the visit of the state secret service blinkena, has the atmosphere changed in the relations between beijing and washington, or has something in general shifted from the dead point? was it simply an attempt to somehow start the process , well, now giving beijing the chance to be the united states' minister of finance, this is also important , for sure. they can improve their relations comprehensively , because before the visit they had visits from american businesses. so this is the american top cook gates mask, then intermeken and now jonathan and ivan went, and also the chinese ambassador to america, he took part in some meetings there, this is the american-chinese business council, and it was also he who made statements that we only need to cooperate and that as an american business, he does not understand

the need to cooperate, but here politicians, they want to compete. that is, all this means to show that china and the united states , despite the fact that they have already switched to such a regime , there is a lot of great-power competitiveness, but they still try to preserve these economic trade relations although i emphasize that the american business is so he still wants to get on this sweet chinese but they no longer see china as such a single as such a single place for their investments because they are already looking at what can mix production as well in india and in bangladesh and vietnam and in other countries of east and south-east asia, and this is also for well, it's a little unpleasant and that's if they throw at your question what will happen between the united states and china , there will be a certain humiliation, that's it, baida i emphasized this several times, i think that in the future we will see a meeting of biden from