[000:00:00;00] because if the production of chipi is blocked, you can say goodbye to all the valentine's day products of developed countries for five years . well, that's why. by the way, biden used to meet people in folk clothes and prepared a vegetarian menu for him, so a special chef was even invited to the white house to make this menu it was as if some kind of king was being welcomed because there is a huge temptation to relocate a huge number of enterprises that are currently working in china to india, and now i would say so, you know this card is such a trump card. i would say that the action is blocking you. it is not biden's outfit for emotions. not everyone is friendly with those with whom he will be able to fulfill some of their tasks or turn the world upside down or, on the contrary, change the situation so that there are no encroachments on

the international right, that is, there are such real possibilities, and that is why i believe that the ukrainian crisis, if it continues, does not contribute to our opportunities as a world democracy to withstand this, summarizing too much, because we started with it after all p vitalya wanted you remind me what you told me about an interesting article by fury nefer. and i would like you to tell our viewers the main points about the fact that the united states should not admit ukraine to nato. a huge text in this says that accepting ukraine into nato is dangerous because if ukraine is accepted by donato ukraine will remain in conflict with russia, this will mean that the united states

will be forced to enter such a conflict and that will happen if the united states, say, does not want to enter into such a conflict with the russian federation , ukraine is in nato, it is in conflict with russia, and the united states does not want to be a participant in the conflict, this will destroy everything too much, that is, the idea is very simple, so as not to demonstrate our helplessness in a real conflict with a nuclear state let's not create conditions under which such helplessness will be obvious, because in the future it will be much worse, that is, it is better that ukraine is protected. and we will pretend that we will protect it if it was in too than it will be in nato and we will not protect it. so why do you understand the morality of all these views? by the way, there was also information in the ambisignio that there were supposed to be meetings between former us government officials and e.e. minister of foreign affairs lavrov of russia, and our representatives of the ministry of foreign affairs reacted and said that in view of the timing of the appearance of these materials in the mass media on the eve of vilnius

, the question arises as to whether or not the hard position of someone on the invitation of ukraine to nato is related to the quality of these behind-the-scenes consultations. what do you think? i remember that there really were such consultations, the fact was confirmed to the white house if the consultation would not have been the representation of the national security council of the united states , you did not confirm this fact. the question is that diplomacy of the so-called second track. this is an absolutely normal phenomenon for the united states. decisions of actions and words and they are trying to make these persons talk to officials of a country with which they themselves do not want to have any real diplomatic contexts, the most vivid example of such

negotiators, everyone is a wonderful textbook example of christ, this is the negotiation of john dalis with general karl wolff, general of the ss. and by the way, it must be said that unlike this version of the soviet one , which you know. i didn't know about these negotiations, the heroic styrci found out about it and reported it to the command, but in fact no school needed it, because the russian news was flowing about these negotiations and they informed stalin, it was not a secret, they were allies and did not hide anything from each other at that stage, and in the kremlin it did not cause any uh, especially dismay for the simple reason that in moscow they believed that if it was possible to agree that part of the german troops would not will take part in the war and the part that was in italy , for which general wolff was responsible as the chief of staff of general kieseling, then this will improve the situation with the soviet troops, because then

the allies will be able to open a second front faster they will not be forced to detain german troops on the territory of the apennine peninsula, that is, there was logic in this, but if you look at it with your eyes, you know morality and say there is a citizen of the united states , a person who had ties with the american leadership there, in fact, conducts official conversations with general of the ss, well, it was me . by the way, it must be said right away that the americans did everything possible to ease the fate of general wolff after the second world war . although he was, as you understand, to put it mildly not an angel and, to put it mildly, took part in crimes against humanity because he was a general of the ss, not of the army, but he did many things that made it easier for the allies to do their work here. this is what real politics looks like. i just think that it is short to say that sergey

lavrov is general wolf in general wolf there were real opportunities to influence general kisen on the leadership of the ss, he had the opportunity to communicate there with the fuehrer, heinrich, and the hymn writers , he listened to him. she was an influential person, and sergey lavrov is not such a person, he is just a tape recorder who performs this aria, which put into it by putin and if we talk about any real negotiations , they are real. i think that we simply do not know anything about them. i think that such consultations are at the level of mykola patroshev and serhiy naryzhka or some other informal people. they are taking place and are in no way connected with the summit on and they are connected with the fact that the americans are looking for some opportunities to see where russia can get in the way of the road to the end when was the caribbean when was the caribbean crisis was it settled by the efforts of khrushchev's son-in-law oleksiy jubi

who was just the editor-in-chief of the izvestia newspaper was not even an official person well, he was a relative of the first section of that was enough of course for such a mission and there were several other such informal contacts with whom the americans talked. i think that this is still happening another question is how much russia is interested in this. these are the questions the russians can also make a number of, as it were, from the closed secret diplomacy, hoping to destabilize the americans. well, it’s just time to drag to create hope that they will recover because what is the point of these negotiations to create hope that they will lead to something, the russians were actively engaged in diplomacy of the 2nd track in ukraine from 14 to 22 , there were many from different experts, remember they came, they did not even hide, they are big from consultations how to end the war and

do you remember the most interesting thing as the new representative of the president of the russian federation in the minsk contact group boris gryzlov flew to kyiv and met with the president of ukraine petro poroshenko if you really you analyze politics and you see that a person who is a permanent member of the security council of the russian federation was the head of the state duma of the minister of internal affairs of the russian federation, that is, he obviously has direct contact with putin , well, at least at the meetings of the security council, he comes to kyiv and talks with the ukrainian president, you have the hope that the crisis will end and what happens next , nothing happens, on the contrary , the situation escalates, and then, by the way, when they played such a game with poroshenko several times, poroshenko lost power. they started the same game to play with zelensky, we are dmytro cossack, who also tried to play the game of such a good investigator, now i won’t be sad

. and you and i can talk about everything. i have never been involved in politics. in front of you sits a person who has worked for the russian special services all his life. you say that it is not just a mouse . we want to solve it already. who do you think ? surely, really, surely, too, everything needs to be stopped. they themselves are tired of sanctions from and they have one task and this, by the way, is the main task of russian diplomacy to delay time and to pretend that they are ready to talk, they have been acting like this since 1918, that's how they started talking with them, relatively speaking, more with the bolsheviks and these are the heirs and they are also cysts and that's exactly how they act all the time, if they really want some kind of constructive agreement, it's not happening the way we think, it's not the way the americans think

it's real, the first person really picks up the phone and starts talking in fact, that's what i want to say by john kennedy without any intermediaries without any secret years without this like putin. by the way, during this rebellion , putin himself had a nice conversation with lukashenko . well, we don't know who called whom , even the question is not the same. the question is what is happening directly, the contact of the persons who make real decisions and russian politics is based only on this, everything else is a kabuki theater, you understand, someone is running around in different masks, masks change, texts appear, signals are sent and decisions are not made, by the way about lukashenka and the hallway on an interesting situation, now lukashenko says that last week he said that prigozhyn ivan nerivtsi is on the territory of belarus, and now he already says that they are not. well, there is data that every plane moves through the russian federation

, so far what is happening there. why is he sitting there, why are there agreements they don't work. we don't know what the real agreements were about, we know about what we talked about lukashenko, but the real agreements are obviously prigozhyn, not with lukashenko, we reached, well, publicly, they said that privozhen should be in belarus, yes they have to fulfill it today some agreements and tomorrow some new circumstances related to the need to protect the sovereignty of the russian federation in england this is needed not here and there not there and here several contradictory processes are happening at once on the one hand we see how prigozhin strengthens his influence they give him money, pistols, and everything else, and on the other hand, we see that the wagnerites are turning their cheek somewhere, and we usually come across a situation when the handsome man

has no clear obligations to lukashenka, which did not happen before. so, in this regard, i don't even know if it is possible to comment on this while being in a sane mind , because we do not fully know what . who agreed with whom? i'm absolutely sure that in this regard there in russia. do you think it's still unprofitable now that someone is liquidating him? he wouldn't be there . he's not crazy anymore. well, i think he's crazy after all. let's talk about what was found in his house. you think he he's not crazy, there's some kind of sledgehammer, he's a bandit. no, it's a photo of a head, a photo. yes, but you hung something like that at home. it's very strange. it's at home . i certainly wouldn't be the head of a private company. i wouldn't send people to african countries .

i wouldn't rob gold there, but i wouldn't do a lot , you just know money, it's a question of money, but not of mental health , they opened it through prison, such a person goes , it's very important, it's such a pshonka style, only when you're not a prosecutor and a prisoner, not like that, there were gold bars too that's all, after all africa. it is clear where it comes from, but prigozhin himself looks like a man of absolutely sane sense, because in principle, what he says in his video messages does not look like a crazy statement. there is a completely clear cold-blooded analysis, by the way. you may notice that prigozhin's analysis is very often much more competent than putin 's analysis. clearly understands what is happening in ukraine, what are the capabilities of the russian troops, what are the capabilities of the ukrainian army. he talks about the real competences of the ministry of defense. if you listen to his address when he spent half an hour doing an analysis of this war, then this is the analysis of a person who has an absolutely obvious analytical ability. it is just that this person is a thug, a scoundrel, but that does not mean that she

is not capable of analyzing the situation. what i am talking about is that such a person will definitely not sit where she would so i think that now some kind of struggle is going on, not between prigozhin and the sheikh. it is important, but only a part, but he knows for sure that as long as there is a game with him, nothing will happen. he knows a lot, a lot, he can hold many connections in his hands, and not only in russia, but in the central african republic in malius siri. all this is necessary, everything is part of their political the influence of their enrichment so that in any case i am absolutely clear that the very activity of prigozhina is needed by the russian political leadership and the most important thing is that we start with by the way , realize whether putin is starting to stop what this was not prigozhina's mutiny created not against him, but if it is aimed at him

and gerasim, it means that you can continue to use this tool in order to keep them in your fist , you will notice that it is just how many 10 days or 12 two weeks less and not a single word from him said well, it would be possible to say something if you are the minister of defense about the situation that is directly related to you, if you won, then you are saying something, come out as the winner, you can just leave. you can just say something in general during this time, he disappeared, it was shown several times where he sits for meetings with putin and never said the same thing. by the way, it concerns their buses. but he was the least influential and most popular minister in the russian federation before the war. he is a man who has been in power with ministerial positions for 30 two years. it is impossible to say what he is. a person can be nobody who, moreover, heads the ministry of defense, something else is just happening. well , i'm not sure, i'm not sure, no one is particularly

influential, but he is a character in clan games. and putin is, i would say, a person who trying to establish a balance in these clan games. we continue this conversation. vitaliy, we now have an absolutely exclusive inclusion, because you remember in our news that we reported that the commanders of azov finally returned from turkey, our legendary fighters who defended mariupoli and azov directly and were exchanged for a year that's why they were in turkey by agreement and finally returned home. lviv meets them and our correspondent, my colleague khrystyna parubiy, meets me. i am very glad that khrystyna is there, and we would also like to

vitaliy meet our heroes khrystyna tell me if you have seen our defenders khrystyna please greetings colleague greetings to all viewers of the espresso tv channel yes, today i really have a unique chance but i haven't seen it yet i haven't for now only on the central square in lviv dozens of people have gathered they are expecting, but in fact we don't know what we are expecting because the previous information we have is that there should be a prayer here until 500 days of a full-scale russian invasion , which i will remind you today is uh, but probably we are probably waiting for the student volodymyr zelenskyi as well as the azov citizens released from turkey. and i will remind you of this denys prokopenko svyatoslav palamar serhii volynskyi oleg khomenko and denys lega they will be with their relatives today why do we have e-e we can think so because in fact information that there will be a high delegation from kyiv, therefore it will probably be them , i will remind you that today there was

information that they were released from turkey today and that they are already in ukraine , and today it is certain that lviv will be their meeting this is what i currently have. well, there is no more short information at the moment, but we are expecting and will meet them and will inform you more studio thank you thank you so much waiting we know that there have already been messages from the local authorities in lviv that there will be such a high delegation that is why the central highways of the city are blocked and this is also such a very important moment because it is obvious that everything will start from lviv, as we understand , then there will be i hope to meet in kyiv, but simply lviv as a city where such a border station has the opportunity to be the first to congratulate the heroes who were released today are also things. it is an interesting story that the reject and its sale made the decision to release these people

. it is obvious that their stay in turkey had to be coordinated with moscow in one way or another. such a demand that people were in turkey, that they were essentially interned in turkey, while those whom we exchanged for them, let's say viktor medvedchuk . they went to russia in the wrong place . maybe they were worried that they would not go to the front they came back because it really is the commander of azov together for the russian federation, it's just like a red rag for a bull, they hate them, they consider them neo-fascists, that's right, the question is why this could happen now, but we are saying that president verdagan is going to meet everything in turkey in a few days of the president of the russian federation. he promised to talk with him, including the decisions related to the so-called grain of the agreement, which we already talked about at the beginning. and

you know what he will dispute about this, come on. we continue as stated water, the azovians are already in ukraine and they can already go to the army, what are you so afraid of, maybe this is a gesture for us, for president zelenskyi , what is it? before the presidential elections , it was very important for him to agree on something with putin and it was important for him to withstand all these regimes that continued the grain agreement and it was very important for him to look like such a serious player on the international arena and now he could be disappointed in these opportunities. i mean what about putin if he thinks that he will not agree on anything concrete with him anyway and then now there is no way to make any advances for him because he has already won the presidential election . so why radzepok and it's time to reprimand him now to keep people with him when he can't get anything from russia. he is an absolutely pragmatic person. and then what will happen at this

meeting with putin. i finally forgot his last name. i think they have something to talk about besides the ukrainian-russian war in there are there are joint business plans for construction there in the power plant, i am investing russian money in turkish banks, russian comfort in turkish villas, including for putin's relatives, that is, the pace for conversation there is enough , well, there is enough else, what if there is no such geopolitical connection, such geopolitical solidarity then rajepty her cardigan can afford such a strong gesture because it is definitely a strong gesture, we have to understand that commander azov, they didn't just live there in turkey and walk the streets there talked with people and it was not, there was no life in turkey, that they cannot return to ukraine from turkey. in turkey

, do what you want, no, it was essentially a continuation of the intonation, they were on a military base in comfortable conditions. well, of course, they were not beaten there, it is obvious how in the russian situation, they were free there within the framework of this military base, but precisely within the framework of this military base, it is still psychologically difficult, they were without their families, without their families, they did not have as far as i understand access to information access to information was limited, questions also arise, and why, what was the point of this, their contact with relatives was limited, they could visit them only under some specific scenario, well, with agreements with the turkish side . there was a regime of russian captivity. and this was a regime of turkish internment . there is a form such as the intonation of citizens

against whom there are no accusations. they do not consider this to be prisoners. they are simply in a specific place. and they cannot this is the place to leave it for me, too, one mention of this war, do you understand why to tell the details like that? it seems unlikely to me well, how well, listen to this people who have never entered their pockets behind the words, i think that they will tell something, more what i am telling, but in the media, to what extent i remember we were reports about what was happening i i knew this before from some of my sources but i did not make it public until i read about it there were texts about how their stay in turkey is really happening it is very interesting that we they even thought about it a lot, we had some kind of illusion that they are just people living in turkey. well, here they are. we are in ukraine in turkey. well, i did not know that they were limited by information, i understood that they were in some specific

place and they can't go out there arbitrarily, but the restriction of information is somehow too much well, nevertheless, i can get confused in what i read, what i know, angelica, i have a problem . so, let's assume that what i remember the phenomenal self is always taken memory says, but i don't know, i just have information about what happened to them, and i don't know where this information comes from, sources that have already been made public or not yet made public, so i'm just telling you this general picture that corresponds to reality and as far as i can refer on the competent sources from which i have this information. i have it firsthand, but the question is not even in this question, that why such a procedure was carried out, this is important to understand, because if the russians did not want them to go to the front, this can be understood. why there was a procedure to create such restrictions so that they could not live with their families. well, in the end, why? and that a person is free, why

can't their relatives be there as much as they want, well, that is, a million questions that will always arise. but the most important thing is that they are now are free that all this pp is finally over but you and i must remember how many people, including azov , continue to be in russian captivity and this procedure has slowed down because the russians, as always, slow down this procedure because that they consider it necessary to keep people hostage, and we know that a huge number of people are in russian prisons, including citizens of ukraine from the occupied territories from crimea, journalists , public activists, it did not start on february 24, 2022. it started on 14- in the year when they started capturing people in packs, it is very slow to exchange and arrest anyone, right now during the war , repression continues in crimea, just against the repression that we know about, because we know about what

is happening in donetsk region, luhansk region we simply don't know anything because the regime there is not mine in crimea, where it seems that there are no military actions . therefore, russia is forced to behave as if it is an occupied, unoccupied territory, a subject of the russian federation, and where military actions are taking place, they do not obey any e-e laws at all. you know the story of the murder of these berdyan teenagers, boys. yes, and again, it’s interesting under what legislation. they wanted to bring them to justice, that is, for the great help of the russian federation or the legislation that was in effect there temporarily what kind of judicial system is there now? has the transitional period ended? we don’t understand all this, but they understand the most important thing is that the people in the territories occupied by russia , even if these territories are called normal territories of the russian federation, live in a state of complete deprivation of rights, and therefore if we can talk about captives and understand their approximate number and all this, we can talk about public activists and

journalists from crimea. so when it comes to donbas and the south of ukraine, we generally do not know many things. i think that we still we will learn a lot of details about the victims of this war on the part of russia in these territories in the event of the liberation of those territories . by the way, russians can be so afraid of them, according to you remember what happened in izyum, how the graves of those began to be opened one by one who did the russians kill? imagine how many such graves somewhere in the military area , they allowed to take the bodies and now they will conduct dna tests in order to understand who they killed anyway. one which of our compatriots can be taken out of there for the trio of holidays that will be held today in ukraine. also, there were quite a few border guards there, but there are

usually 40-50 people, well, sometimes 100, it happens, and thousands are imprisoned in captivity. well, that 's right, because russia always thinks that it is it is material, so if someone serious gets caught in ukrainian captivity or something else happens, it will be possible to exchange at least 1,000 people for him . gave sentsova whom he was not going to uh yes and if it was necessary to change so that medvedchuk came to russia, then it was possible to give even the commanders of azov, they are slobbering, you know what i'm saying well, that's a very simple cold-blooded calculation of the situation so many people who are interested in uh how interesting putin is. the war continues. maybe it will appear. you know this. well, by the way, we will show, i think live, when our streets will meet

. please follow the path with our youtube channels on our youtube channel. lviv on svobody avenue, we will see how it will all look, it is very important, they will give a short one, at least they will present it to people in front of the media. well, i think that people will be waiting for them whenever they don't appear there , at least for a documentary hour, we will have time to go to the center of lviv to meet our heroes, so let's hope for this that today will be such an important day for all ukrainians, today lviv residents will be there tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, kyivans will meet ukrainian heroes who arrived from, in fact, not from captivity from stay in turkey on the 500th day of this great war and we will always say goodbye to you because thank you thank you very much because of saturday's political club and mom remains only before saying goodbye to you finally to inform you that now will be our

final news program we too the people of azov wanted to have a meeting, but it is not yet, but the only koval has the opportunity to tell you a lot of important and interesting news of this difficult week, and i hope that you will stay with us and watch this summary issue and we can already convey the word and levels so that she starts this conversation iryna please we are waiting for you i am asking for the most important events of this week, so do not miss the event ukraine in 500 days and they will talk about how to bring ukraine closer to the alliance about this and many other things today in the release in the west we were given no more than a week