[000:00:00;00] i'll warm up and point a little and sleep, it's going to be scary, we're running, well, we're all living. so everything's fine. i think. now we'll live . and what do you think we'll win? and what will we win ? it's as they say, faith in the motherland. yes, in ukrainian it will be because to the homeland. yes, i tell you from the very beginning , as soon as the boys left, i tell everyone , no , we will return to mine. and here we have three fathers who lead me and everyone says they will go hetvics, we are building, we will be even better than it was normal

, please, cheerful bag, patriotic class, class, we are all together or in one car, of course, please, a moral act , to be honest, because, first of all , there was no contact with the children with their relatives at all it was very important for us to look for a connection, there was a period when there was no electricity for a long time, then the water was turned on, there was a strong pressure from the authorities. from it happened to us well, i’m just threatening it, i don’t know. you can, someone didn’t pass it, we some, he came, they said you need to cooperate with us, you need to pay

, we need to be paid . do you know where you are and where i am in ukraine ? and you, where are we? we are there temporarily, he explained, saying that it is necessary to cooperate with us and the authorities, we will not be bad, which means bad, what are these threats, moral pressure all around, i will talk to with them, and then the knees are shaking, because we put a lot of people in prison, the police say that there were a lot of people in double cells, up to 11 people, they imposed their own textbooks of ukraine in the ukrainian language. the textbooks are the same - they sealed them with the answers in advance , somehow it's not clear, but well, somewhere ukrainian

symbols were stuck in the photos, well, like that , constantly, some such, well, an inconvenient increase. well , who like passports, our family, passports at once they some sejách well, to people who started the activity, at least they somehow managed to get out, they started selling something, they went to the neighboring region, they bought something, they sold there powders with these something there and they said that we will issue some kind of russian passports, eh, to you, a member of the enterprise, permission if i don’t , permission eh prison well in general, well, we won't let you do the same. well, a fine. let's go . i know what you're studying . they don't do that. that they were like that i did harm. yes, i hope that there were still some people

who were patriots in our country. there are a lot of very, very many people who wanted everything to be peaceful and the name is the liberator . it is unclear what they were liberating . why did they not know what they were if we didn't have fascism, we would have taken care of ourselves, but what the hell did they do? what the hell is wrong with citizenship ? they came here twice and took them. and what were we doing in the basement ? we ended up with a lot of people there.

there were people who were partisans, they helped ours, they kept the heating network in the heating network, something flew in, i don't know what happened with a friend, four butterflies, three children did not have time to leave , do they have cars, we heard different things there, and the mayor of kupyansk was charged with treason and encroachment on the territorial integrity of ukraine about this the prosecutor general of ukraine iryna venediktova reported that on february 27, gennady matsegora decided to help the russian occupiers, the mayor provides them with transport, housing and food, through this the city of kupyansk in kharkiv oblast left subjugation of the ukrainian government. and this mountain elected a mayor from the pro-russian party opzzh and now he faces up to 15 years in prison

, we can wait. well, he was waiting for the arrival of all the objectionable people. at the beginning, people acted against it here, but they went to rallies

. ukraine is ukraine, it will be all ukraine! go away go away hope of ukraine hanged ours and then one by one they started coming to the addresses and slowly reworked everyone and then you say that they helped our military somewhere, they intercepted the communication in the transmission, there was such a period when we had a russian-russian communication

, and through the internet, people communicated , left the field, the weeds in the bushes are scary , i personally saw a woman from with such a piece of paper, all of them are not located and she just doesn't know what to say to the heroine what gave you strength and faith that ours will come free this is my land i live here my children well how so so this is ours where is it this it is foreign to their slovaks this not our place here

i grew up here, my parents, my food, the whole story, and he calls and says, maybe you need something, well, bear with me, it will soon be over , they were talking about ukraine, why are they here, how are they, a woman took two bottles of beer at the very beginning of the full -scale invasion on victory day, it was already such a period he can give me a drink. we'll wait. why are they here ? we're dismissing you guys. guys, how did we drive in? happy christmas. tatarin was full of time. they were standing by the store, but

we came. 7 days have passed, 70 kilometers, and they have all the fields on fire, tears rolled down, hugged me, jumped in, don't worry, we are already here, we will not leave you, because there is a charger for the phone, they brought it to volochata and the guys left, we recorded quite complex conversations in kupyansk there was a feeling that quite a lot of people in this place are still so uncertain , and we were told about this several times that there is a lot of cotton wool here , but at the same time, there are a lot of people who are there with tears in their eyes, we believed until the very end moment we believed more than in

god, this recording of ours happened thanks to the fact that we traveled from the station to the hub, which we filmed earlier, there is such a problem here, people do not go out far from their streets, they do not go out further than their street , that is why only volunteers and representatives of local authorities have the opportunity to get to the people risking their lives risking their health, but in order to deliver aid to the people of the population who remained here and are constantly under bombardment under explosions, you just helped them take away the humanitarian truck and in fact, journalists have not yet been allowed to kupyansk, that's why we didn't film any military facilities, nothing like that, we filmed a lot of people's actions, there is a feeling that everyone really wants to just talk and you to talk , because they didn't have such an opportunity. read the poem, please talk to her, she is incredible, at least one poem in ukrainian

, please, some poem at that time, they wrote something so beautiful, there were many forests, gardens , people, working people, the strength of which is no longer my country, ukraine, i am gray-haired, i wish you and such a weapon weapons to take and kill such a thing, thank you, they behaved terribly, even one of the heroes, one of the local people, even told us that those who refused to cooperate , conditionally speaking, and agree to all this game, and they sent them to correctional works, that is , after the basements, and to the quarries, he he said it was wild for me, that is, like slaves, but the fact that there are people there with different positions, it was also felt, but i really hope that such

a lesson will somehow recover them a little. collaborators yes, yes, there were such people who had a positive attitude to the power of the government and very yes. unfortunately , unfortunately. well, the most important thing is that there were many people who waited very long for this. kupyansk-moscow, well, that is, you can imagine that kupyansk was not even kharkiv but moscow, and there were so many close contacts with, and i hope that this will never happen again, and once again confirms how important it is to communicate correctly and work with people in the border areas because in essence this is our wall, and it seems to me that if there were more different

cultural events about ukrainian festivals, more connections, more public organizations that would work there, then this could have been avoided. what do you think this war will teach ukrainians? -e, with one word, immediately suffocate, eh, as soon as someone imagines, people had no communication, they had almost no information about what was happening there in ukraine, somehow there, well, in short, it was very difficult to get this news there, but people still believed and i think that it is precisely this faith and theirs also saved glory to ukraine and glory to our armed forces, in short, it was interesting to see different

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questions authoritative comments and forecasts in the project information marathon with vitaly portnikov every sunday at 20:10 on espresso i welcome you on the espresso channel vilnius itself nato is approaching during which the alliance has the opportunity to make a historic decision to commit to inviting ukraine to membership as soon as possible or not to take , but it is obvious that the vinnytsia decisions regarding ukraine's relations with nato will have a decisive impact on euro-atlantic security for decades to come, because it is about how and at what cost to break this permanent circle of russian aggression and russian

revisionism , nato is going to do this by strengthening its own defense capabilities, and ukraine by joining all the security mechanisms of the alliance. it is ukraine , by the way, that carries out the main mission of the alliance, it destroys the combat potential of russia as the main threat to the security of europe and from the point of view of stability endurance of the ways of conducting military operations of ukraine demonstrates examples that are unattainable for the armies of other countries. so , we will talk about the prospects of ukraine's relations with nato and examples of actions in the field in the context of lessons for the alliance army in our military program . my name is serhiy zgorytskyi, director of the information consulting company defekt express together with the espresso channel, we aim to cover the most relevant events in the life of our army and the security of which dimension, and

now we are joined by expert oleksiy ezhyk oleksiy of the national institute of strategic studies i congratulate you i congratulate you we are now approaching the summit in vilnius and despite the fact that the key decisions regarding ukraine that are to be adopted there still do not have such unambiguous interpretations. some say that they will not disappoint ukraine, others fear another statement about the fact that the doors and windows there are still open for ukraine , but it will be difficult to get through these doors and windows. and i would like you to first outline for our viewers in such a simple language these two components that are now actually what is being discussed is just the beginning of the procedure of inviting ukraine to membership, quickly or not quickly, under what conditions , and the second question in this matter is precisely the decision to obtain a security guarantee, which are actually determined by these two components, which are the main difficulties here from the point of view of our

partners' perception of our wishes it does not seem that the main difficulty is that for nato this is the question of ukraine's membership in nato now, well, it is important , but it is not the main thing for which the oil seal is going , the main thing is what they are going to do, it is fundamentally the biggest thing since the cold war the reconstruction of the defense system has not been like this for a long time when they simply rebuild everything and build such a uh no no no rapid reaction forces for expeditionary forces the main defense forces that they have never built they are building regional plans that make it possible to defend against a large attack from such and such a side the enemy as russia , even with the support of china in all directions . only there in the south there is a little division between these plans between russia and the conditional terrorist groups there, so turkey wants

, that is, they change, is it the main thing or nato worked at the head of the commander of the european forces in europe this is the biggest such change that they are working on the rest unfortunately, and by the way, even this plan will still be simple in principle, it will be agreed upon and then he will be appointed there which countries, which units, where do they go first, where then, where does it protect against, there are a lot of problems, and as it turned out, nato is not ready for such a big war, there is still work and work. and on this background, nato is solving several more important issues, one question they only one important issue was resolved, they extended the term of the general secretary because they did not agree on a new candidacy, and poor poor jan stolbinger is forced to work for another year. although they were tired and said that he did not want to, he already

extended it several times, they agreed, and once again persuaded this is the only thing that nato is now the weather another issue that was also politically important, nevertheless , it seems that they do not have time to complete the procedure for the adoption of sweden, they do not have time to discuss this, it is very bad for the political i will, and here is the question of ukraine, it is somewhere on the level of membership in sweden and membership of sweden , if it were quick and easy . well, maybe it would be easier for us there . in relation to ukraine what what against this background should be decided for ukraine should be provided as it is possible to understand such a consistent vision of a number of different tools and we still think we will get confused when we will analyze them, they will be many, they will be

diverse, but because collectively these tools will make nato's reaction automatic, and here it is still necessary to understand that the plans for this nato reaction, nato's automatic reaction to the problems with ukraine. well , the attack on ukraine is a security problem. they still have to somehow be coordinated with this global restructuring of the main defense forces of the main defense forces of nato because they have already made a decision. it's just different. it's just never happened. this is not a repetition of the cold war, because earlier the main defense forces were in germany. now they should be in poland, in the balkan countries, in romania, in slovakia is getting closer to ukraine, and we need to get involved somehow in this, to create such mechanisms, that is, it will be difficult, we will see what will be proposed, but not only it will be political tools and there will be and there will be

, well, what is called a guarantee, but it seems that this is the biggest guarantee that nato considers under the guarantee of the transition period, this is actually a set of these tools that make the reaction automatic to the point that such guarantee tools are considered huge investments in the reconstruction of ukraine, if they go, this is also a guarantee, this is protection investors, if russia attacks ukraine, when it recovers, billions of european dollars are flowing today, there is american money , this is also considered a sure guarantee that there will definitely be a reaction. well, what exactly? there is also a lot of condescension from him in the small-mindedness of these conversations. well, i think that the counteroffensive or our offensive already now , as we think, will fundamentally not affect

the mood of our partners, in addition to the fact that there there is literally a week left until certain decisions are made, and then it actually turns out that we are talking about the fact that ukraine is actually being offered the so-called conditional israeli option, when there are a number of separate agreements starting from security, economic , military-technical, which actually lay the conditions for the stability of ukraine, but actually from the point of view, we will perceive this as guarantees, but not guarantees, more conceptual ones that operate within the framework of the alliance, which ensure a faster reaction of nato structures, or what are the nuances needed here i think there will be nuances and nuances related to logistics , in principle, what we get through the rammstein system is an element such as nato, which is very similar to how the strengthening of defense occurs, the transfer of weapons in general, the logistics of nato during the war

, which is now being adjusted again. and i i think that such an element will be hidden, not public , connected with the fact that to those political , economic and, well, such complex-complex tools, something will be added that will allow very quickly to transfer troops and equipment, that is, what has been done now during the war, i think it will not disappear, and maybe even they will be deployed. well, let's say repair production , maybe even production facilities that will allow to repair the logistics center , rollover repair, maybe there will be transport, maybe there will be construction in the infrastructure of airfields , but i think it will already be it will not be very clearly said about it according to a certain program, but how will it turn out, because now we do not know how the weapons reach us and it is not necessary for everyone to know it well, it will be the same within the framework

of these decisions, i think well then, in fact, everything is even we then proceed to the scheme of such a continuation of prolonged hostilities where ukraine continues to remain such a bridgehead where we hold back the russian federation . that we should know clear signals of joining nato, clear schedules. as i understand it, they begin to blur, and then the meaning of partnership and the meaning of ukraine's expectations for nato's potential to become a condition for to raise the stakes in relations with the russian federation. it is possible even at the expense of clear timetables for joining nato even to influence the russian military leadership as a basis for the same negotiations because it is

possible to defeat ukraine. negotiations or such a theory is, well, not very acceptable for our european and american partners. well, let's go, that is, i'm not here for theories, i'm not ready to consider the theory, uh, how many russians are reacting i think there are a lot of factors connected to a single system, including forecasts regarding the development of the internal situation in russia, but in general what you said seems to me the main problem here is what we have seen now and what we may see after the discussion in the way certain parts of the decisions themselves will be formulated, and in general , it is actually called working about ukraine , and there is an important element that we have now seen for us. when they talk about political guarantees, ukraine is still not perceived as well