[000:00:00;00] therefore, today we are already communicating through the nato agency, it is called nsp a data supportun agency, i have a direct agreement with jenson stoutenberg, you know he received an extension of his mandate as the secretary general of nato and i expect that a project will be announced in vinnytsia. and it sounds national in english about qr, it will be the nato support program, which will fully monitor our procurement systems, all closed and open, and in accordance with the recommendations of the examination, and we will go out in the new year, but we are already moving into the only thing we need in this direction is that we will need certain legislative changes, for example, you and i today have a three-year planning horizon for defense procurement, the law allows it, but there is no such thing as a three-year financing planning horizon, that is, we have a budget process for a year, we did not use the money, they are yours remain. therefore, we need to change this approach as well, and we are already discussing this

with colleagues from our specialized parliamentary committee. will we need to change the legislation if the three-year procurement program and the financing system the minimum should be for three years, and the ministry of strategic industry immediately gives comfort to our manufacturing plants , and they clearly understand that we conclude a contract calmly for three years. they take a loan from the bank, develop other financial instruments , buy lines, and so on. and so on, this is joint synergistic work mr. minister, is it correct? i understand that the planning horizon is the main difference between us, we will open the members of nata . you and i will go back a little to the day of the constitution of the speech of president volodymyr zelenskyi in the parliament, where there was a powerful appeal to open a discussion to public

society about the ukrainian doctrine . transfer now to the ministry of defense so uh, we are already seriously working on this today, and we have completed a defense review and based on this , we have assessed our capabilities, we have differences for example, the very system of mobilization and the same reserve system, the same assembly centers of the former vnpom of the military commissariat. more precisely, this is all a soviet legacy. we need to fundamentally change it. we need to make a different approach . maximize digitalization. they will stand in line , suffer mistrust, and so on. and so on, we need to change our approach, we need to cancel the draft and make a professional army, but do

the normal, understandable layer-by-layer e-e register a reserve register in case of a full-scale war in case of an invasion, and this means that our main capital with you is people and we have to work with them, even the accounting system with you of the old soviet union, because in us accounting for accounting is responsible for conscripts and the heads of enterprises a u today we have a huge number of ukrainians, what exactly are the employed persons , the same natural persons, entrepreneurs, and so on. differences, as you say correctly, and they began to work with them, and the system of the minister , it will undergo these changes, after all, it has existed

since 1991. there will always be resistance, it's it in the very system of itself well, how about us, the principle of self-preservation as they say, bees can't be against honey yes , there's something about it horror, but in this case , you and i have changed after this full-scale invasion we realized that for our survival we need to change, do you want to survive, change is the principle of the law of the development of humanity in general and survival in general, humanity, give not only humanity, but also the living world of this planet earth, and we will live tomorrow with you after our victory, all the same with this neighbor unfortunately, a neighbor , a hostile neighbor will not fly into space despite the friendship was eaten in masks therefore, we need to provide ourselves with a shield not only ukraine of the whole of europe and become a part of the minimum european, maximum simply atlantic

security architecture and for this we have to change, and for this you will need an understanding of what to do, how to do it, and political will. it seems to me that today the political will is at the level of president volodymyr zelenskyi, it was declared at the level of the prime minister, they watched shmygel, it was declared at the level of all members of the government, it was declared at the level of the full majority of members of the parliament from various political forces and parties has been announced, and the most important thing is a request from ukrainians, from ordinary ukrainians there is a request for changes, and this is for sure. the nato system is also a system and probably difficult to change. well, since 2008, bucharest, it has been difficult to change the system in the context of that . and when and whether ukraine will become a member of nato, they only talked about an open door and so on. and so on, there are now certain warnings before the vilnius summit

well, i would still like to discuss with you a little here, but nato is primarily a political international agreement, it is a union of countries that have decided to unite for the sake of common collective security, and the system already built by them ensures those agreements which are set out in the washington agreement, but even they prescribed in this agreement certain points and agreements, there is a culture of understanding , does it work, does it not work, it also changes well, if you look, then changes were made to this agreement, then changes were not all as clearly as in this text as now. and the most important thing is that they underestimated ukraine and overestimated russia, and russia in them

is a legacy of the soviet empire. russian aggression. and by the way, if you look at madrid itself for 10 years, they wrote down their strategy, where it is clearly written that the main threat to oil is the russian federation. and when it was assumed that kyiv would fall in three days, ukraine in three weeks believed that it would be a war between a small soviet army and a large soviet army of course, the great demnyan army will win, the so-called second army of the world overestimated them, they underestimated us, but we are already talking with you about the 500th day of this war and it is not three days and not three weeks and not three months ago nato is also changing, and the decision regarding the invitation of new members of the alliance is made at the political level, at the level of the leaders of these countries, just think about it, finland and sweden are two countries that have lived in a para-game of neutrality for hundreds of years. and just like that, a month after

the russian invasion of ukraine, they invaded ukraine on a full scale to you and me in 2014 , as a result of the start of a hybrid war, these two countries immediately changed their attitude and the people fully supported the politicians' decision to join nato. finland has already become a nato country and i absolutely believe that, let's say, the opposition of hungary and the acceptance of turkey for the time being will also be overcome and sweden will also become a nato country without any plans for road maps and so on to finland - this is already a fact and nato has come close to in russia, the russians did not want a rapprochement with nato , they got a plus, if i am not mistaken, 1,200 or 1,400 additional kilometers of the border with the country itself , this means that the political mentality there is also changing, and the most important thing is that if russia

is the main threat to nato, i also have a simple question is always for my fellow defense ministers. please tell me if only one country in the world has a modern, effective and successful experience. how to restrain the russian army , how to beat it on the battlefields and win , including using modern nato weapons, this is ukraine. and what other arguments do you need to to invite ukraine to the alliance because it is primarily in the interests of alias ​​itself. that is why i am still optimistic about the future. a nato country, you can ask the minister as a lawyer, oleksiy reznikov, to explain, maybe there are some legal consequences of this political statement

, ukraine will become a member of nato after the victory . subject , they continue to overestimate it, although the recent march of a private company is like a hot knife through butter and almost to moscow. it seems to me that it has demonstrated to everyone how weak the regime is now in the kremlin, this is a mixture of mafia-nkvd of the chekists of such a spill, it is already very seriously faltering, but for now the partners are overestimating them, so they believe that one way or another, at some point, they will have to sit down at the negotiating table and restore some norman format or whatever, it does not matter what it will be called, and that is why they believe that the factor that ukraine will definitely be a nato country will be of significant importance for

negotiations with the wings, but they are wrong because we will not trade our territories , we will not trade our right to join any alliance in that including security and that is what the president of ukraine said about it. that is how it is articulated by other employees and our government . we clearly convey this to our government. there is, pay attention, a queue has already formed from some countries to try to reconcile us , such strange things are sometimes the initiative of new ones, you all know what this means. you know the so-called mediators, in one of your recent interviews, the chief of staff, valery zaluzhny, said that they at the general staff

are working out all the consequences of uh and scenarios , including the worst, let's now also try to work out how to simulate the worst-case scenario from this summit they will say the door is open, ukraine will definitely become a member of nato, but one day what consequences could there be from such a statement right today, right now, right here in these weeks or months, well, first of all, the task of the general staff to the prophet to think through all the scenarios, and thanks to this approach, you and i met the enemy on february 24, 2022, in a completely different way than the enemy and some workers of even the civilized world expected, we were ready and this is very important, and our military did, are doing and will continue to do their work they will make it qualitatively. and for that, he is a huge thank you. as for the scenario you mentioned, it is not a negative. frankly speaking, i do not think that

a complete repeat of 2008 will be heard because, well, everyone understands and we already have a big one. the number of active allies, the vast majority of countries have publicly expressed their position as members of the alliances, so i think the wording or how to say it in other words means, well, there will be a different wording anyway, and they understand our request, our expectations, they will be anyway , and now the discussions are ongoing, i know exactly what has to to be and something will be offered updated that's for sure but through with all due respect whatever the outcome of this will be it will not change the situation from the moment where we are with you now we are with you now we are in the fact that each country, a member of the alliance, including even at the bilateral level, declares from an established conscious position that we will be with you exactly as long as it

is necessary to prevent water hacking easy takes and this sounds from the ministers of defense during my joint meetings with them of telephone conversations on computers and personally already there in the same rammstein or brussels and they believe it, it has already become their policy, not only their personal, but their governments, their people, their parliament, the situation cannot be changed back. will develop only at the best, so i am very optimistic about the events that will take place next week of freedom. at the beginning of our conversation, we talked about the quantitative and qualitative indicators of the weapons supplied to us by our partners. tell us about the rammstein format, that now there are not as many countries as at the beginning are added to this format, it's ok, it's normal, naturally , it's bad, or is the main gender of the countries already formed? well, everything is fine and normal. i think

it's natural, and it's already formed. because if i'm not mistaken, about 54 countries are constantly present on the fields of the rammstein club, that's almost six and twice as many , no, not 6, it should be 62, yes. then it will be twice as many as nato countries, and by and large , all countries that are nato partners even if they are not members of nato, they all take one or another active participation and we will receive, if not direct weapons, then at least humanitarian aid or non-lethal weapons or other options for your support , and i appreciated this when i was in the fields is singapore in june, an annual forum was held in singapore. it was the 20th forum. previously, ukraine had not participated there. this forum of defense ministers is primarily of asian countries . therefore, the pacific region is considered to be home to a little more than half of the population of

the earth there. there were not only those who support us, friends, australia, new zealand, japan, south korea, and other countries, and i was pleasantly surprised that probably more than 60%, activity and attention, and theses were devoted to the war in ukraine, aggression with side of the russian federation we managed to convey the message that the war in ukraine affects the state of life as their life, for example, blocking the black sea, blocking the sea of ​​azov , mining our territories, reducing the potential of ukraine to supply grain , sunflower oil, corn and seeds to the countries of asia and africa, directly affects their opportunity is fine and they appreciated that we are one of the largest suppliers , so they are all paying close attention today to

what this war is doing, but if it is important in those countries, i managed to convey the message that we we are waging an anti-colonial war, an anti-imperialist war, because russia is trying to restore its so-called russian empire, and in those borders that they once had there , and this means the baltic countries and poland and the rapid restoration of the berlin wall, and they hear this very well in those countries and they this is perceived because they were all once colonies or most of them were colonies and depended on the empire, so uh, you already know there too, uh , the balance in a good sense has changed in our favor. therefore, it is possible that rammstein will have more more countries at the next meeting, some are present there that are not publicly announced. they are initially

as observers, but this means that they have already arrived as observers . they received an invitation from the main leader. my colleague, the minister of defense, the crime of the states. they receive this invitation and come , so i think there will be further development, minister. i thank you for this conversation, because you and i, in fact, summed up these 500 days. of a full-scale war with the russian federation. have a nice day. together to victory. glory to ukraine . we have not yet talked with the minister of defense of ukraine oleksiy reznikov about what we have already done . what our partners have already done.

how it changes and how to overcome it and when you talk about the fact that it will not be like before and at a time when someone in bahmut in a trench or in time moyari or zaporizhzhia or kherson or in chernihiv oblast sumy oblast protects, heals, teaches rescues and someone steals a humanitarian worker, then it lifts my lid and it is very proud and painful for the volunteers, you know, we all became unwilling volunteers, have you met with the volunteers , there was a problem with drones and there is still a problem with the taxation of what is received on the cards to the volunteers, they started calling them from the tax office and saying that you are obliged to submit declarations, and retrospectively, not even from the moment when they became volunteers , how was this issue resolved, at what stage of these negotiations, i know that a working group was created

uh, there were conversations with drones, they allegedly resolved the issue, but with these taxes, as usual, i think that we will say it like this, the situation was absolutely incorrect, specifically politicized, it was not conventionally speaking, i believe that in our country the activities of volunteers are not taxed, we have the appropriate legal norms that allow not to be taxed, but this does not mean that this activity should not, conditionally speaking, be in the legal field, and therefore all officially registered volunteer organizations, at least all large volunteer organizations they can perform their functions absolutely calmly. and they have absolutely no problems interacting with the tax authorities. there were nuances regarding drones. they resolved the issue. if there are any other issues, i think we will be able to resolve them quickly. this is not a problem. the only issue

is that i want big big ones. volunteer organizations well, relatively speaking, they are an example, they were an example, they are an example for everyone else, because, relatively speaking , everyone can be a volunteer, but i will say that among the largest volunteer organizations, they have the greatest opportunities for focused support, they understand how to report, they understand how to spend funds, their activities will be as transparent as possible, objectively , there are many fraudsters. unfortunately, in this area, it is also necessary to recognize the role of the state to protect ordinary people so that they trust those who in principle, works in the legal field, this is very important because, er, fraudsters use their opportunities. i am not saying that these are specific

volunteers, fraudsters, but i am saying that this is a very sensitive field, and at the moment it is in pain someone abuses the suffering of people, we won’t lie. we don’t work on russian tv. yes, there are those who abuse and there are those who post photos of already dead soldiers and money for their treatment , but who can to be considered volunteers if they collect, conditionally speaking, for the unit where the father, brother, husband serves is absolutely not an activity that needs regulation, i will say so this is absolutely not an activity that needs regulation if you collect for the specific needs of close relatives, acquaintances and so further, i don't think that this activity should be regulated in any way, as for large volunteer organizations , they will find advice for themselves, they find it calmly , but this is my answer. this is an official answer

. well, you can answer when the tax office calls, well, the minister said what can be said that the tax office calls ukrainian citizens and says that there are such cases, yes, of course , contact the ministry of finance, we will respond accordingly, this is unacceptable , now imports are significantly increasing in our country, i do not i believe that this is normal. we still need to focus more on the domestic manufacturer, and if there is a couple, there is a choice between imports and domestic manufacturers. i think that we should choose the domestic one. are there any discussions at all in the free market about limiting the import of ukraine in some way during the war, to support the domestic producer , we have imports. it is quite critical now. well, what are you going to limit? yes , generators, well, they were specially imported so that , uh, without import taxes, without paying taxes

for a truck specially to carry the market, eh, well, it was a temporary solution , such examples may be there, just conditionally speaking, i believe that eh , light industry or food industry products can be provided at the expense of internal payers. are we just theorizing now ? and as policy debates, the ministry of economy implements the relevant policy of supporting producers, there are relevant programs, there is a program of grant support, there is a program of 5 7 9 lending support, this is not enough, this is not enough, but at least the state gives clear signals that the domestic business is made in ukraine, you know made in ukraine is very important and what we create internally and what we can export at the same time and you know there are a few that were driven from abroad while the war is going on it must have been driven so they would drive through poland yes well, you, i don't know through which exit checkpoint i went through rava-ruska ave through which and

through krakovets krakovets it turns out that when you and i went through krakovets we went there once you and i bought 30 packs of 35.5 this year at all i don't smoke in in principle, i don't buy a single pack - it's a gambler. and when i was driving through rava-ruska, it was also 35 , just 35, and this is a scandalous and well-known story about duty free, which suddenly every person who crosses the border bought on average 35 packs of cigarettes, this is about customs, this is about customs and tax reform, and by 80%, according to the documents, we fulfill the requirements of the european customs association, but it is obvious that we are not doing something, what do you think the reform looks like, it should be a reboot, reflashing, rewashing, washing, i don’t know, actually, customs without customs officers, tax without tax officers, this is an ideal option. at least i thought so from your previous interviews or some other

difficult questions. sorry, there is no simple answer to this not a simple question, because the traditional way of changing people in these bodies does not prove. yes, he did not fail in his effectiveness, that is the question is, people are such people who are, unfortunately, maavadas, and therefore, in order to systematically change these two bodies, the focus must be shifted to approaches, approaches, these approaches must be in the administration system, this is , first of all, digitalization of interaction with by physical and legal entities, this is the minimization of the human factor, the automation of processes, we are working on it here, this is part of the policy of the ministry of finance. and you say yes, but i would like to have another customs office

tomorrow, yesterday, we are working on it , there is no answer that would satisfy me, he said that you know there is some kind of magical solution that will solve these issues tomorrow . we are working on it. i hope that those policies are the means of policy that we have already implemented. this is an automated economic operator, an icts system, and a transit system with with the european union, they are gradually minimizing the influence of customs officials on the customs. our kherson region was completely destroyed by the russian invaders . the other regions of ukraine are uniting to help and restore victims of free communities. 15 regions have already supported kherson region and will rebuild 26 settlements in the region side by side

. we will rebuild kherson region side by side. - side by side we will rebuild every affected community in our country , rockets will fall and we will stand, sirens will be heard and we will sing nicholas, the water will go away and the hatred will remain, it will turn into a river of tears at sea, the enemy of the people will disappear and we will win ukraine stood ukraine stood ukraine will stand glory to ukraine glory to ukrainians human trafficking risks of falling into sexual

or labor exploitation are real due to loss of homes lack of funds documents were taken away means of communication restricted movement access to medicine rest food forced or inclined to acts of a sexual nature are drawn into financial dependence due to debts , all these are signs of falling into a situation of human trafficking, are in danger or see that found others, call to learn more about safety rules and opportunities to help, the only important thing on the air is this channel, we are ukraine and with you ludmila dobrovolska and my colleague oleg panyuta good evening, the evening of a significant day for ukraine that brought us several important

messages well, let's start with the news that the whole country i have been waiting for almost a year , the legendary teams have returned home to ukraine together , denis prokopenko radis svyatoslav palamar kalina oleg khomenko apis serhiy volynsky volyn and denis shlega and from turkey where are they by exchange of prisoners, they were interned from russia, they