[000:00:00;00] as soon as i return from ukraine on june 10, i went to washington for a whole week, and there we gathered more than activists , inertia began, who were going to the capital. and the same is true of ukrainians in germany, very strongly, in france, and in great britain every nato member country that has a ukrainian diaspora they will hear government officials will hear whether they are members of parliament or members of the executive of any country they hear from ukrainians loudly and so how can i emphasize this when i see last week some activists who is not on a straight line channels here in america because we do not allow voices that support russia, but we can hear from them that they are very disappointed that there is so much ukrainian uh americans of ukrainian

origin uh have support in the combidress and the healer has access to their uh representatives, and yes, i can say that our friends are either spain or, as i said earlier, france, in the scandinavian countries , where there are ukrainians, we are all working on it, even if there is no member of our own, but whether we want to see something at a higher level or we saw in madrid on the 21st year, mr. andriy, a small clarification, do you have, perhaps personally, examples of when after such work with a certain politician in some country, perhaps in the usa, his view of what is happening in ukraine has changed diametrically , eh, i can’t, i wouldn’t say now i have different examples years later, one thing happened after that when we took mustafa dzhemelov to the congress with

activists and he really wanted to speak directly to the senators who head the foreign affairs council, what happened, something is happening in crimea , occupied crimea, and regarding nuclear weapons to be america was prepared if for nuclear weapons and when he started this conversation and then they expanded through activists and duplicated this conversation so that america began to talk about nuclear weapons and this and this topic began to arouse and open the eyes of the congress about the possibility of transferring nuclear weapons to of the territory that was signed, not only the budapest memorandum , but this is a worldwide agreement on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, however, a conversation began that we would like to see some future draft law

, but it was already starting, it was three or four before panama, but already then this work began that when they heard that belarus is our enemy and that it is the transfer of nuclear weapons, this is the same topic that the activists together with the leader of ukraine who visited the senate opened their eyes that we cannot sit back and only like america cannot sit and think that those agreements protect our future, and they act as such an enemy who does not care about international agreements and what was agreed on nuclear weapons looks like he showed us in belarus that those international agreements on nuclear weapons are worthless now now and that's why uh this example how we opened our eyes uh in the congress about the affairs of uh armed our enemy that they haven't

even thought about yet good sir thank you for joining the live broadcast for your comments they are now really very necessary, we will remind the audience that andriy dobryanskyi, director of communications at the ukrainian congressional committee of america, was in touch with us , in particular, among other things, they talked about the prospects of ukraine in nato and about ukraine's path to nato . stated this the head of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, dmytro kuleba, lacks only a solution that will help to shorten this path, but the head of ukrainian diplomacy is convinced that the world will take advantage of the moment and , accordingly, bring clarity to a number of important decisions for ukraine and nato. according to the results of the summit, our path to the alliance will definitely become shorter for nato to lose this opportunity will mean giving a gift to putin at a time when he needs to be pressed on

all fronts, the work continues and continues without a break over the weekend until the last minute the adoption of the nato self-defense declaration in vilnius dmytro kuleba minister of foreign affairs of ukraine to the turk ukraine and the netherlands agreed on the start of a training mission for ukrainian f-16 pilots this was announced by president volodymyr zelenskyy based on the results of negotiations with the prime minister of the kingdom of marko, all this happened on the eve of the nato summit in vilnius, i would like to remind you that the netherlands, together with denmark, are leading a european coalition to conduct training for ukrainian pilots on f-16 fighter jets . well, the strengthening of close relations on the eve of the nato summit, joe biden will visit great britain on july 9-10. this is reported by reuters. there, the head of the white house will meet with king charles and prime minister rishisunak

. the parties will also talk about ukraine. our state does not need success on the battlefield. good night . thank you for your contribution. congratulations, mr. dmytro. such events should take place in the coming days . they call it a historical event . this is important for us because we are waiting for the decision of can change the course of the war, do you think that this summit will really be a turning point and will be remembered as a historical one for ukraine? yes, i believe that it will be a turning point itself .

in any case, this is exactly what is happening in the conditions of war and it is happening in the conditions when the partnership of ukraine and the alliance has already risen to the highest level, again , it is turning point and historic for nato itself because, after all, it is happening in the conditions when after the end of the cold war probably yes not probably, and for sure, even the first one is such a direct threat to nato itself, or a risk. let us remind you that the russian federation, starting its aggression, started with an ultimatum , including for nato, in particular, to roll back to the borders of 1997 and, er, any er, solutions . that is, we do not yes, we know that uh, yes, we are focused on uh, certain decisions that

should be made, that is, ukraine really expects that a decision has been made to directly invite ukraine to the next alliance. corresponding security guarantees, and moreover, the position of ukraine is determined by the statements of the president of ukraine zelensky that if there are no such things, then there is no reason to visit them at all, there is no point in attending this summit, but in principle, it is demonstrated but it is possible now, well, we had the confidence to say that even if the invitation is not

directly announced, nevertheless , there will be such solutions that are really natural and suit not what suits ukraine and change the security configuration in general well, it could be more decisive. well, for now , we are really just assuming what exactly will happen . yes, it was. to say that there will be decisions about security guarantees for ukraine and uh, increasing the level of military aid directly, which will be the reason, and uh, in any case, this is uh, well, no, no

, of course, not the beginning of the accession, and yet it is uh, yes so to speak, even if we miss the fact that the decisions will be of such a plan without announcing the invitation, it is clear that next year, at the next summit, such an invitation should already be clearly issued , dmitri , regarding the security guarantee, which may be statements announced at the summit in vilnius. security guarantees for ukraine, hmm, we have already heard that there will already be declared guarantees, that is, there according to the model of israel. or maybe they can just be finalized now

. i think that they can be finalized. it is hardly possible for israel, because after all, well, we have completely different situations now . yes, our situation is probably similar to when israel was just beginning its history, but at the moment, after all, the situation is different and the security guarantees of israel are all well, you know that, first of all, and again , the huge supply of aid weapons and another moment of israel . that's why

we're talking about full parallel here, and i think that's actually it this is a reflection of an attempt to spread some experience there, it cannot be successful, therefore, most likely, it is these guarantees . currently, it is still being finalized here, you know such an important point, israel. although i do not officially confirm the presence of nuclear warheads, they are still present, and therefore the guarantees that we will be guaranteed by our partners, they will be slightly different, mr. dmytro , literally, information recently appeared that during this, there are countries themselves, this information has already appeared before, and this is updated the countries that support us, in particular, there are 23 countries. if i am not mistaken, they were talked about in the president's office, and they are in favor of ukraine joining the alliance. germany may oppose this summit . the telegraph writes about this edition. why? because they are terribly afraid in berlin of what could happen. the fifth article of the main nato document is applied, which stipulates that in the event of aggression

against one of the nato members, all others must join in and the principle of collective security must apply in berlin, they do not want the alliance to enter into a war with russia, they are very much against this they are afraid that there will be surprises from our german partners. well, i think that there can be any surprises, especially since what you see here in this particular case is basically speculation. why? because the fifth article does not automatically provide for it entry into the war and on the side of the country that was attacked. in principle, by the way , these myths that are used in order to slow down ukraine's movement towards nato or to torpedo it in general are analyzed in the

appeal of ukrainian public organizations which were about 70, including those who take care of the euro-atlantic integration into the alliance where these myths were dispelled well , first of all, this does not mean an invitation that ukraine will instantly join nato, because this is only the beginning of the process this does not mean at all that the fifth article must be applied even after that, for example , finland itself. she joined nato for a year, yes, and all this dragged on. that's why it seems to me, well , manipulation, so to speak, besides, it's deliberate, and it's like that manipulations. i think there will be more in the same statement in the same statement regarding the fact that ukraine allegedly has

unresolved territorial disputes, although in reality this is clearly not true of ukraine , there are no territorial disputes and part of the ukrainian territory is occupied by invaders and none the less the same aggressor himself recognized the borders that exist between ukraine and the russian federation , and again, ukraine had no disputes with anyone. yes, that's why it's also here. well , it's not real, serious, somehow the argument can sound like this. i think that uh, this uh, uh, this is a possible assessment , well, despite the fact that we don't really know yet how much uh, uh, germany can act

like that case, although there is of course such a view, it seems to me, after all, such a rudiment of that attitude towards the russian federation and that i don’t know the enthusiasm there, or before russia, about which we can talk about the consequence of these special partnership relations that were uh and again, a lack of understanding that the world has changed and what should be done with russia to build other relations and also the fact that russia is not so big and terrible and in front of which, well, it is necessary there er, but somehow er, it is the only one to make concessions all the time a-a p dmitry well, as a final question, we talked about the fact that joe biden is visiting

great britain on july 9-10 in order to strengthen such close relations the day before. before that, let's remember that great britain and germany, which we are talking about now, and spain and canada, spoke against the decision of the united states to supply cluster munitions to ukraine. please tell me this is the decision of the states in super exposure of the countries listed above, will it have any consequences? will it affect relations within western countries, that in fact it will not affect it in any way is here in principle. well, since the decision is serious enough to demonstrate that this, well , not everything, this dialogue, yes, especially since there are different attitudes in the world to these cluster

munitions, but i i think that in fact it is , well, rather here it is this. this question is purely technical and purely somewhere, well, within the framework of the attitude towards these munitions, given that the world is considering their restrictions, yes, or there are certain restrictions, but they are actually, well, they are not so effective, because ukraine and the united states have never refused to use these cluster munitions, so i think that in fact this will definitely not affect these relations that are and well and again the united states in view of the fact that there is, so to speak , ambiguity in the view of the casual invitation of ukraine to nato er, too in principle

make a decision to provide such weapons in principle in order to demonstrate real support for ukraine, mr. dmytro . thank you very much for the explanation. dmytro levovych , an international political scientist, was with us and explained about our prospects as part of the north atlantic alliance, and we will talk about this further. ukraine will ask its partners for assistance, but no longer military and financial, so that the support next year is no less than this year , the minister of finance of ukraine, serhii marchenko, said in on the air of the telethon and added that there is no reason to reduce either the social or military budgets. there is hope that the war will end with a victory in the 24th year, but i cannot take the courage to say that this will happen because i have to give numbers for

the military budget. therefore, now we will predict er let's say this scenario, which will predict the formation of the budget on the basis of the 23rd year, it is for me that the support is not less than the amount that we receive this year, and i will remind you that it is more than 42 billion us dollars, and this is key it the key thing is if we can guarantee this level of support, we can say that we have a budget and are now in touch with us ivan us - chief consultant of the national institute of strategic studies candidates of economic sciences good night you are fine on sejja studio good night tv viewers thank you for joining let's talk a little about money, about the aid we plan to receive, and the minister expressed such optimism about future revenues, saying that this aid will not decrease and will even be

as much as it was before, we are talking about 42 billion dollars, mr. ivan, will our western partners, who are currently helping us, have enough financial power and desire, and where do they get the funds to replenish their reserves , then transfer these funds to us? i have no doubt about it, as far as desire is concerned, it is a bit more difficult, and here the task of ukraine is to turn, you know , emotion into reason, that is, many countries emotionally help ukraine because they see what problems ukraine has faced plus for example, our partners from poland have repeatedly said that we understand that ukraine is now fighting not only for itself, but also for us, because if we simulate the situation that ukraine will not be able to win this war, then the war will end there because it will move to the

territory of neighboring countries countries, primarily poland, and that's why, since i spoke with experts from poland on various tv channels , they mostly repeated the phrase that, you know , it is fundamental for us that ukraine receives the necessary for its struggle not only militarily but also and financial aid precisely so that ukraine could withstand and win this war and there would be no problems in the country itself , that is, so that the domestic front would also hold, that is why our partners, at least from poland, will constantly put pressure on their colleagues on the collective measure so that support is maintained ivan, i would also like you to know that i will stick to this phrase so that the support is no less than this year and

i will remember that our losses are increasing and the losses will at least be remembered by the russians undermining the kakhovskaya hpp. please tell me about this what kind of support was there this year? will it be enough for us, and if it is enough, then it is enough for what you know, and i will say that if we analyze the forecasts of the leading global economic institutions for 2023 , then at least a few of them predict the current year for the economy of ukraine , growth by one or 2%. that is, i see two forecasts, if i am not mistaken, the world bank says that 2% can be and the european bank for reconstruction and development says that 1%

can be, that is, we see that, in principle, the leading economic institutions, they believe that it is quite possible that the economy of ukraine is holding on, that the 29% drop that occurred in the 22nd year , that it will not deepen, on the contrary, in fact , the reverse process is beginning, that is, the economy is coming to life. well, in principle, we see this in certain regions of ukraine, which there was a war that life is being renewed there , you even know. i just recently spoke with the deputies of the kyiv city council and i heard a real figure that if the full-scale war, that is, until february 24 of last year, the night population of kyiv there were 3.9 million, and during the er. let's say march, when there were hostilities near kiev, it decreased by a million and 200 people, now it is approximately 3 million 500 3 million 600 , that is, even in kyiv, we see that the figure

is returning here. that is not so does not mean that since i did not return, it means that many people came to kyiv, but nevertheless, at least a number that would be up to the full scale, where is the fault, that is, the economy has more or less adapted to these conditions, ukraine produces certain types, this one exports them now already here there were recent statements that ukraine is considering the possibility of returning to the export of even electricity, let me remind you that after russia's constant attacks even on the domestic sphere of electricity, the generation of electricity in ukraine was a problem even in order to meet our own needs. things in september last year, ukraine exported electricity worth 150 million us dollars to understand what gives ukraine's economy the opportunity to export

electricity, so the situation is more or less under control, therefore, i think that these predicted figures of one to two percent growth are quite possible, mr. ivan. but nevertheless, there are different forecasts, in particular, the forecast of the ukrainian institute for the future, which the institute is talking about, that next year , the economy of ukraine may be affected by two factors , the first is elections in the united states of america presidential elections and economic assistance provided to us by the states and i will remind you that these are leaders with both military and financial assistance, they give us grands without interest that do not need to be returned, they can this aid will decrease if this happens, trump will come to power, and he has already repeatedly said that american taxpayers should not help ukrainians, this is the first and second, the experts of the institute do not rule out an economic crisis of a global scale and then the domino effect will work, which will not be able to affect ukraine. what is your opinion to such forecasts and whether it will really affect our

economy. and really , a lot will depend on who wins the elections in the united states of america, and in the event that it is a person who, let's say, adheres to that what ideology does donald trump adhere to? problems are possible, although so far, you know, there haven’t even been primaries yet . that’s why it’s possible to say that trump will win the internal struggle of the republican party. that michael bence has also decided to dominate the republican party. and michael bence has a completely different approach, we actually saw him and the video he used to go to these primaries when he said that autocracy is on the march and

at the same time demonstrated putin hinting that it is necessary to be from a country not with autocracies, it is necessary to be with ukraine now pantens visited kyiv and actually physically this presence showed that he wants to be with ukraine so if he wins let's put it this way, the neo-originist with whom mr. pent is now dissociating himself with it is quite possible that the victory will remain at the current level a if biden wins this election, then the victory will also be preserved. as for the global economic crisis, they are constantly saying that it may be here. well, you know, now the world is moving away from what the video restores supply chains that have been damaged precisely because of the global pandemic and i do not think that there can be any global economic crisis now because there is a certain periodicity of the crisis and that was connected with the code by the way it is not as big

as was observed so i do not think that this crisis can have place, and by the way, about certain components of the economic situation , just recently i watched the forecast of the european bank for reconstruction and development regarding gas prices in europe, so they do not predict a rapid increase in prices until 2030, that is, that what happened last year and it will not be close to this mr. ivan we thank you very much for the answers and for the restrained optimism that we heard, thank you very much ivan ushi, the chief consultant of the national institute of strategic studies, candidate of economic sciences, was with us shelling of critical infrastructure and life in the dark the destruction of oil depots and factories, as well as the shortage of fuel encroachment on metallurgical production and agricultural production of the podryvkakhov hpp and many more stories about how the aggressor country

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