[000:00:00;00] well, the chinese also understand the losses of other countries, and that is why he is trying to increase ties with whom, who, who, with pakistan, right here, and we are talking about this already very long-term dispute, competition, so enmity more with pakistan and india, that is why, unfortunately, these interests of china, india, they will continue to engage in such confrontations despite the fact that they will still try and find a certain balance so that their whole consultation does not become so uncontrollable , but unfortunately they will not change the very structure of relations in the near future. well, samarkand, when zempin came to this summit, the chinese media said that china is the obvious leader of the shanghai cooperation organization. the leader of the organization is china. well, on this virtual tour , china itself did not look like a leader. so what is the problem ? i think for beijing, it really was.

do you think this is a moment in principle, to what extent did the atmosphere in the relations between beijing and washington change after the visit of the state secretary blinken, or did something in general move from the dead point? was it just an attempt to somehow start the process, well, by handing it over to beijing right now, the minister of finance of the united states, it is also important for sure. the visit is really what we have to look at this situation, that the united states cannot improve its relations on such topics in a comprehensive way, precisely because before the visit , the agent was included in the visits of american businesses. so it is the american top cook gates mask then intermeken and now jonathan ivan left and he is also the chinese ambassador to america, he took part in some meetings there, it is an american-chinese business american the chinese business council and also that he made statements there that we only need to cooperate and that as an american business

he does not understand the need to cooperate, but here the politicians want to compete. that is, it all means to show that china and the usa despite the fact that they have already moved in such a regime of great-power competitiveness, but they still try to preserve these economic and expensive trade ties. although i emphasize that american business is so. it still wants to get on this sweet whale. yes but they no longer see china as such a single, as such a single place for their investments, because they are already looking at the fact that it is possible to mix production as in india and in bangladesh and vietnam and in other countries of east and southeast asia and this if for those, well, well, it’s a little unpleasant, and if you answer your question, what will happen between the united states and china, there will be a certain thaw , so baidy has stated several times on this fact

, i think that in the future we will see a meeting of baiden from izipin at the apec summit, it seems in it seems that in the fall it will be in november in san francisco. but will the structure of their relationship change? i think that it will not. it will be simple , this is what the americans say indigy pendence. that is, it will be a competitor , interdependence, they will be there where you can trade, but where they would compete . they will leave this enmity , for example, this is technology, this is geopolitical influence, this is the struggle with regional leadership, and so on, that is, they will still remain competitors, although in some gaps they will cooperate, in your opinion did the participants believe what happened to putin, who told that this was his first international speech of this kind after the prigozhyn rebellion, he talked about the consolidation of the russian people, how they

worked beautifully and clearly against this rebellion, how they are united, how their economy is developing stably, etc. - blah blah eyes believed in it participants what do you have what do you think? well , i think that the characteristics of the chinese are that they understand that all this is rhetoric and the publication of um what is desired for reality, that is, as they say, uh, the chinese dress up a tree, don't dress up a dry tree and i i think that they perfectly understand the situation in the middle of the russian federation, especially again, this is china, a code for which , after all, cooperation with the russian federation is very important now in the context of the consumption of this competition of the united states, as well as the economic pressure that washington is trying to exert on beijing, and i think that considering this, it is china. he very carefully analyzes and looks at the domestic political situation in the russian federation, taking into account that

he is interested. well, although it is unpleasant for us hear, but he is interested in a certain stability in the middle of the russian federation, and did he believe the russian leader? i think not because there are a lot of their e-e and lobbyists and insiders who are given to them to convey information, but the important question is whether this rebellion will shake, let's say this the instability of the russian federation internally . is this a derivative of the desire of china and other countries of global business to work with moscow? i think that at the moment no

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very positive ladies in italy, you and i do not have any special expectations because it is absolutely obvious to me that the vinnytsia themselves are too this is definitely not the kind of event that can lead to before the country's invitation to us, and in principle no one even relied on this from the supporters of the euro-atlantic integration of ukraine, there is a different situation, it is connected with the fact that the summit should freely develop logistics not in the atlantic integration of ukraine. i think that logistics will be developed and here's how ms. stefanishyna told us during our conversation during the nato council of ukraine, this logistics can be presented and therefore we can talk about the fact that at the washington summit ukraine can receive an invitation to the north atlantic union and what is this logistics logistics are certain steps that must be taken by the countries of ukraine and nato countries to make this invitation

possible. these can be different steps, and they can be steps of a political nature, not only of a military nature, because these steps can include the determination of those points that can be made ukraine's accession to nato is real-real well, let's say, can ukraine join nato during the war, we all say that we can't. and can ukraine receive an invitation to nato during the war? consensus and can ukraine get security guarantees for the time until it joins us, this is also a conversation that can lead to some kind of consensus of some kind of work by the parties. and if it can get security guarantees, then what should they look like in the conditions when ukraine remains in the conflict with the russian federation, do you think that the answers to these questions will be given to us in vilnius or will they

begin, that is, when politicians say that the security guarantee can be extended to the territory that is under the control of legitimate ukrainian government that does not meet russia's claims, let's say this is the logic of the discussion. it may not satisfy us, but it may satisfy the nato member states that do not want their own conflict with russia, and this may not be the fifth article. and these may be security guarantees for ukraine with on the part of the nato member countries for the time being until there will be no ukrainian membership in nato again , when ukrainian membership in nato can take place , to what extent nato members will be ready to accept ukraine into their membership, he said by the way about the unresolved territorial problems the federal chancellor was in shock, it was always before that a country that joins nato

to the european union has no territorial claims, problems, the only one excluded from the european union was mr. kiper, who undertook to hold a referendum on unification with the turkish part of the island and during of this referendum , the citizens of the republic of cyprus refused to unify, the citizens of the turkish e-e part of the island agreed to the unification , what was that? i don't know if anyone is ready to repeat it again, but there is another interesting precedent that could also be used by germany itself , because with a nato member, the federal republic of germany became the federal republic of germany, and the federal republic of germany considered the german democratic

republic as an integral part of its territory, but never did not raise the question of whether or not to drink problems, no- german reunification can be achieved by military means exclusively-legal were the articles of the constitution of germany that provided for the incorporation of the territory of eastern germany in the event that the population the territory of eastern germany. express your desire for such a union. by the way, it happened, but at the same time, the federal republic of germany, which had, as it were, claims to a neighboring state. already existed in the past. and here's asking a question, but this too, because it can be an unpleasant question. let's say we are ready to accept you into nato, you did not release it. these are such territories

and you must declare with your signature that you will reunify that your territory can be reunited only by political means, that you do not carry out any wars, military actions for the annexation of this territory, which we also consider to be your territory . spread friday over that you can fight, it is possible for the country to become a member of nato on the territory that we have, but you say the same to ukrainian society that ukrainian society must agree that we will not win back our territories in exchange for the status of a nato member you look what ukrainian politician would sign such an agreement? i don't see such a politician on the list. well, imagine that the offensive is over, we haven't liberated all our territories, so it may be that we will liberate all the same. i hope that the counteroffensive will end successfully. ukrainian politicians have already said that

not one but several such offensives may be needed to liberate this ukrainian territory. true. yes . well, i am only starting from this, and then there is one more point that is no less difficult. and if we liberate all our territory, and the russian federation claims that we occupied part of the territory of russia, crimea, donetsk, luhansk, kherson, zaporizhia oblast, which are within the constitutional borders of the russian federation , this means that the fifth article of nato extends to these regions, does it not mean that if these regions are claimed by the russian federation and in we do not have a political agreement with the russian federation. but there is a reality

, a real dispute over territories, and large ones. who does the west not recognize the territories as russian? the question is that for the west, from the point of view of its own security, it would be important for russia not to recognize these territories as russian . because the fifth article of nato is condemned on this territory, the news and no one will ever tell us any leaders of any nato member country, you know, in order to come to nato, you have to give up your own territories, some of the same you control it, we are talking about a successful mood, how does it look, you know, let's leave this territory to the russians and enter, so it may be , there is no such policy in the west either. well, then, what is better to say, it is better to keep us as a country at the door until we find a political agreement with to russia, tell us, you know, you will first come to an agreement and then

we can immediately accept from you, that is, such a position can also exist, there can be many options , and i say once again that it is not the accession that is important for us, but these security guarantees for us it is important that the russian federation realizes the riskiness of the next wars with us, despite the fact that this war is also not over yet. and of course we are saying that maybe we are entering the situation of the last 500 days, and maybe this is not the last but the penultimate one, so no one knows, no one knows how long it will be the war will continue, no one knows how intense it will be for us, because if we say that russia has lost half of its military potential, that it is rather sluggishly replenishing it, then this means that a war of such intensity as we saw in 2022-2023 in any case, russia can introduce a maximum of two years there. and then it can wage

a low-intensity war, but it will still be a war, it will not mean peace, and as we can see, russia is not on the path of finding political solutions, that is what we are talking about now we are talking today in c6 e-e february 8 e 5008 july 500th day of the war what are we talking about that russia is leaving the grain agreement this was the only real diplomatic agreement of these 17 months and russia wants not to extend it but on the contrary to cancel it last summer we you sat in in the same studio, they discussed how russia produces grain water and it was enough for a week, this is true. i am not saying that now it may not be like that, but it can also be, but there is another question that russia absolutely does not gravitate towards any realistic political agreements, although there is no

success on the front, this is also interesting and russia does not need to be successful on the front for this, for ambushes, for this you just need to continue the war, well, the weapons are less, you also talk about this, but they buy all the chess deuiran because it is a war of low intensity, you can not have any success on at the front, you can hold some positions , don't hold them, regularly bombard ukrainian cities with these cheap drones, inflict some uh, such a real uh, attack on the infrastructure, on people . war or not war, there is no success on the front, here russia is leaving some positions from somewhere it is coming out from somewhere it is not coming out at this time there is permanent missile fire you are closed

air traffic is closed this is a war because is she innocent, and if there are no major actions in the theater of hostilities, we get used to it as a matter of course, well, people die, but for the west, it will not be such a war , it may not be such a war for us, because fewer people may die, but it is not safe it gives a different story of security and stability, there are no investments, all political decisions are postponed because it is euro-atlantic integration. well, how are we going to take you somewhere now? this means that after the first caliber strike and according to the first one , we have to answer from your city. and we don't want to get involved in a conflict with russia. wait, we can join the european union, let's let the war end, because anyway we can't provide you with any investments , reconstruction, yes, reconstruction can even begin during the war, there can be insurance , some uh, solutions for the company, but these buildings can also can be destroyed at any moment, and therefore they will most likely concentrate on the western and central regions, but as we can see

, there are no safe places anymore. yes, but at least they have no idea that the russian army will come here they won't come like that, but their missiles, unfortunately, well, i'm just saying that as it is, everything doesn't look normal, it's abnormal, and there is an important question here. it actually has a demonstration of the unprofessionalism of its army. it has a demonstration of the unprofessionalism of its political leadership , which thought it could finish off the blitz and destroy ukraine in three days. it has a disconnection with the civilized world to which it belongs can no longer supply energy carriers and which sets the price bar for its oil, can you imagine 18 months ago they were talking about

the northern stream-2 as a project like this , it seemed like several kilometers were not completed well, then they were completed but when we talked about it that several kilometers and everything was built, all that was left was to certify it, and you would have lost gas for it, and now all this is about something that never happened in the first place. that’s why it’s a strange situation, but on the one hand, on the other hand, well, russia is selling energy to asian countries the profit decreased somewhere in bilche, but it has doubled, but it is still huge, it allows to finance the economy that russia has today, ukraine is destabilized by the war and continues to destabilize the west. the longer it will be, the longer it will be, right-wing

populist parties are beginning to gain momentum throughout europe, we said that this is a sociological survey in germany that would demonstrate that the party the alternative for germany ranks second among all political forces , second only to the christian democratic union and even the christian energy union, it lags behind by 3%. and the representatives of this party are already starting to head local authorities, or even they could not have imagined 18 months ago if this is already the result that putin is counting on, and the right populists are now already at the university in finland, in the swedish government, they can get into the swedish government after the next parliamentary elections to the government of spain of course it is from the flag forces have different people and different beliefs, but the italian government is headed by the leader of such a right-wing populist party, but it is an implacable opponent of putin, but this is simply because the kremlin somehow missed these forces

, you know why we, it will be openly fascist, it is the same way out of openly fascist camp and putin tried to establish connections, including from finance, with people with whom he is with whom they could not tell him that how is it that you finance those who in whom i like there solimi there was a bir luskonii and here is this war both these parties they in the italian government, they are not fascists, but they are obviously sympathizers of the kremlin , they were before the war. we do not know what the current level of relations would be if salvini was the prime minister of italy and the non-state actors did not die and he would have continued to act, well, that is it was just lucky , but all these rules are populist parties, they have a better reputation, you are already talking with fear. and what will happen if the right-wing populists come to power in slovakia, we will have another

hungary in the european union, and what will happen if right, populists will be partners in the government coalition of poland, what will polish-ukrainian relations look like if there is such a government, and it is only from central europe, and when we look at it with you, it is just such a theory for us , when you look at it through putin's eyes, i think well, well, you just have to stretch there is still time to wait a year. well, two and everything will be replaced. yes, the geopolitical situation is changing a lot , they may not find a strong candidate who can lose the elections. the president of france will be maria lipin, and the president is almost brics only a good stop and this is what putin can count on as his salvation , that's why he can tell all these boys , the boys are not drifters, we just have to wait. this is just a temporary situation, we will not go to the elections, and they will all have to defend their

opportunities in a state of economic crisis in a state of unemployment in a state when people are afraid of war and if we really close that grain agreement now and being a migration crisis from the global cock we will wipe everyone out and that is also enough, that is what a logical forecast would say i say that, in principle, returning to vyshynsk itself, i think that the north atlantic union should end this war as soon as possible, this war creates almost imperceptible cracks, you know, like on glass, not only here in ukraine, where people may not notice these cracks simply because our economy lives at the expense of the west and it creates cracks in the west itself and now they are coming and you can already see and there are already many of them small, they are thin, do you like some alternative candidate for germany

won the election in some federal in a district where 0.2% of the population lives, these are all small things, but these small cracks are what it is made of. this is the situation when this glass building is bach and suddenly there is nothing . this applies to the united states . this applies to the european union. an effective ally of ukraine, but it is in a deep crisis , well, this is also a consequence of brexit, of course, but one way or another, everything that is happening in the world now also affects its future opportunities. the united states is in a situation where it are forced to create several alliances at once because they are convinced that russia still cannot shake their power and change

the world order, even if ukraine was occupied by russia, the gross national product of russia would still be less than the gross national product of italy together with ukraine we do not say without ukraine, we are talking about russia, which won. that is, it is still nothing , but china is something, it is a country that has the strength to change the order that developed in the world after the second world war, and therefore the americans are there they are trying to create a union with india, australia, and the philippines. there are already so many formats that you can't even watch them all . president joe biden was supposed to go to papua new guinea. well, he just didn't go because he had a debt crisis. he went to entel. blinken , prime minister namodi went. probably because there is now an american base in the planned war , which should correspond to the chinese base in the solomon islands. who would have thought that we

would even discuss what is happening in a more planned way and in the solomon islands that the president the united states will plan a visit there, so this is such a distant space for us . this is how the world looks like. the rivalry in the pacific ocean is huge . the production of chips will be blocked, you can say goodbye to the entire main national product of developed countries, which is five times well, that's why. by the way, biden met naren modi in this way and prepared vegetarian the menu and special chefs were invited to the white house to make this dinner menu for narendra modi, they specially selected the list of guests. it was as if a king would be accepted because there is a huge temptation to relocate a huge number of entrepreneurs

who are currently working in china to india and now i would