[000:00:00;00] happened between ukrainians and poles in the past, mr. volodymyr, when you conduct this discussion with your polish colleagues, that is, scientists and historians, do you find a response to the theses that you are now voicing that the institutional discussion, which was introduced , in particular, on my initiative, back in 2014 , has actually been stopped unfortunately, on the initiative of polish politicians who, through the adoption of their laws, actually made it impossible to continue this discussion , at least on the territory of poland. colleagues, but rather in a private nature , one of my constant opponents in the budget hoe recently came to kyiv, we had an interesting discussion, i hope that soon the material of this discussion will appear on the pages of the polish media, despite the fact that, well, we are hardly on all issues

will find a common position. but i am sure that such discussions between forty-six-year-olds will absolutely advance us to a better understanding of what happened in the past, so i completely agree with this thesis, which i voiced at the beginning that this topic should be dealt with in the first place political historians from the formats of commemorating the sacrifices, laying flowers, meetings in churches, promoting memory, speeches at the graves on both sides, really the format that is absolutely sufficient and in something more, in some additional political statements, they only really dramatize this situation and do nothing understanding of the past i would like us to hear now, together with the audience, the previous president of poland and the nobel laureate allah wałęsa, he commented in particular on

the event of 1943. let's hear the president in it is necessary to do this in memory of that wrong, those were mistakes. there were wrongs, that's all true, but it must be put into the context of the development of the world . in practice it is like that, we can do it, we can fight further, we can develop and follow the spirit of time and development, of course no one will bring back life, no one will bring back what has been done, it is true , but this is the price for the development of civilization , volodymyr, can you have any reaction, this is fresh boarding school, none with mr. president, it is absolutely necessary to understand that such triple events are, first of all, lessons, lessons of what should never happen again today, and

it seems to me that this is exactly how we should treat this polish-ukrainian confrontation here , taking into account the fact that in the end it showed that there were no winners in this confrontation , that the benefit of this confrontation was received by a third party - this is russia at that time, which conquered ukraine and poland at that time, it is obvious that in the present time, when russia is again a threat to for ukraine and poland, we should mention these events in particular, but it is precisely in this context that any confrontation between us is made over the weaker by the stronger of the third enemies of volodymyr when i think about the path that germany took after the second world war and when when i see our relations with poland and i see this discussion that is going on right now thank god that it is going on in exactly this tone ah, to be honest, with fear for myself, i personally think about what will happen when

, well, i don't know, the russians will come to their senses in a few generations and will begin to ask forgiveness of ukrainians for what they did for all this genocidal practice that they are now carrying out, how do we like it, that is, we will also be forced to accept it and build some kind of neighborly relations, can you imagine it now, because again after all, it is not necessary now and it is not necessary to imagine this for sure, it is obvious that at a time when genocide is being carried out, to think about how we will forgive or not forgive the perpetrators. it is quite completely incorrect , absolutely not necessary, it is obvious that our now the main task is to stop this genocide, to stop the mass extermination of ukrainians, what will happen after this with russia, will anyone really be able to speak on behalf of russia to repent for the sins that the russians are committing now, we will see, i am sure of something that russia will, in principle, be preserved in such a format in which

it is now. maybe sometime after our victory. maybe we will be able to establish some kind of visitor relations with other peoples who now inhabit russia and do not have their own state. well, just like that for reference. can you recall an episode from history ? where would russia say oh-oh, we were wrong, it was bad, we shouldn't have done that to neighboring nations, and so on. very briefly, this happened probably in the early 90s after the collapse of the soviet union, when stalin's policy of stalinism was condemned, albeit for a short period, but then on unfortunately, everything came back to the rehabilitation of stalin and even to an even greater larification of stalin, therefore , unfortunately, the experience of some kind of condemnation of one's past remorse for the past russians actually felt absent thank you, vladimir, for that

that at one time this issue was raised and we see it, we hope that it will soon be discussed again at the scientific level and will no longer become a subject for manipulation , in particular, by politicians, volodymyr vyatrovych , historians, the people's deputy of ukraine was in touch with us well, now we will talk about volunteer affairs, because the war continues , the defense forces continue to hold their front and the volunteers do not leave theirs, and in connection with the studio anton yaremchuk, co-founder of the public organization base ua anton, i congratulate you glory to ukraine have a good day glory to the heroes thank you for inviting me to the studio again. i would like to remind you that this public base is our partners , with whom we have repeatedly raised money for the needs of the defense force of our defenders .

devices for the defense forces, there is a separate department for this purpose, i.e. a separate branch of the public organization, the ua base , the resistance base. and now we will concentrate on what the ua base does for civilians. i know that the boys and girls are now deeply immersed in the issue provision of elementary medical services for the civilian population on the front-line to occupied territories anton, tell us a little more about this unique project i will then ask my questions because i am still interested why the state does not seem to provide this at the appropriate level but the specifics of your work ah, we work in a mobile format, we received from our german partners a kadush truck , an all-wheel drive truck. well, it is, in principle, a dispensary on wheels. that is, it completely gives us the opportunity to examine people in any

that is, we can go to villages, for example, in the occupied territories, where there is not even any temporary building that could be used for such needs. well , in general, it is also equipped with all the infrastructure that is needed for such inspections , and we are trying to do just that. in fact, to coordinate with other organizations and to determine, to investigate the situation in the area , to what extent the administrative state resource does not work there, and to identify, to find the places where this primary medical care is provided without reaching it is very rare to go there and it is not possible to go there to concentrate, that is also our resource . now, in principle, we are starting to travel even more intensively from this week. we plan to go somewhere 3-4 days a week every week. before that, we traveled mainly on weekends. we work with local doctors here from kramatorsk.

well, in general, from the region, and we also involve highly qualified online specialists from america in cooperation with partners from tv channel ukraine - this is also the case with several ukrainian students in the states who organized such an initiative and created the infrastructure for this attracted a large number of highly qualified american e-e doctors with whom we also provide consultation online and worked , it looks like a person comes and e shows about his complaints. to your health, you are unqualified doctors, unprofessional doctors, your optional is somewhat limited. yes, but it turns out that they are consulted remotely doctors who are currently in america, all these time zones are technological processes and in this way a person receives a full medical

consultation as with e as there i do not know the difficulties of translation or are there any problems with the fact that the patient understood his doctor and vice versa , how it all happens , we have a more or less good system, and we are not medical personnel. i.e. a person comes, he comes to us there in the outpatient clinic . there we first register him both in paper format and digitally, then we record the main indicators. that is, we measure blood pressure, sugar, cardiogram and so on. and that's all

it is going to be in principle and in real time it is transmitted online to doctors, um, as a rule, most of the doctors are english-speaking, and then there is always a translator present with them, which is organized by our partners there in america and, in principle, people after we have gathered all their data, all the necessary diagnostic indicators , undergo exactly the same consultation as it happens, well, a therapist or anyone at the reception, if you need to remove something, look , listen to the tax office, measure, we are always there that is, we are the hands, we are the eyes, but already, any analysis of these data, and the conversation itself, the self-examination is carried out by already qualified doctors, again, we are always with us on all trips, and there is also at least one therapist of the highest category of the general direction. that is, you and i are always a doctor who is in situations where we understand okay now

well, because in most cases we work with elderly people with chronic diseases . that is, it is not some, well, it is sometimes serious diseases , but not some super complicated situations, that is everything is clear to doctors online based on the indicators and the things that we can provide them. people come to us and also with some kind of medical history and so on. if we see that it is something that needs an additional examination, it is better to do it physically, we just then we transfer such a person to the doctors who are physically there on the ground, and already that doctor examines the person and , well, she just brings it all to some kind of final consultation, in principle, we have one line, in fact, and people go wherever they are free if there are doctors who are physically there with us, they go to them. if the online doctor resigns, they go online and

, well, it’s true. it works very well, and in most cases, it’s absolutely enough. in your plans, was there such an experience er, well, sometimes the military is involved in this way, because it’s still in the center of some village, for example. as a rule, these are near-front er territories . that is, we are quite close there, so we are near -e to the front therefore there are just a lot of military personnel and they see our big truck and sometimes something needs to be done, some medicines or some kind of tethering, but in fact we are also engaged in medical evacuations from stabilization points and therefore understand a little how this whole system works as a medical company er

services are provided also to their military, so in fact most of the military well, if they want it, they are provided well, at least from our experience, therefore, it's just some random meetings, if the military needs something, we'll forgive them we convey, but there was no such structured, systematic work with the military specifically in the context of the mobile clinic. there was no information that there was no information - it was obvious that the stations were overloaded at the time of more dramatic events, especially in bakhmut. now it seems that the situation at the checkpoints is more or less stable, although we see that the offensive operations of our defense forces continue on the flanks and according to all military documents and textbooks, this should be accompanied by a large number of casualties and

wounded, when you turn to steppoints, in principle, they say no, everything is in order with us, that is, the order is really possible, there are opinions, why yes ? well, at the expense of what was it possible to achieve this stability, so much so that volunteer help and points in your direction at least now do not need yes, i can to say specifically in our direction, we are here, um, in principle, the invasion was first, and the situation was very critical. when because of that , 150-180 wounded people passed through the checkpoints a day, and i already had a catastrophic lack of resources, just not even what about qualified personnel and even cars that could transport the wounded, er, i think that time just passed , everyone knew that the situation was critical , er, everyone who could influence it tried to attract a resource, this resource arrived, the work was structured and there were well, there were just somehow uh, the mistakes

that were made were worked out and at this stage it looks like this well , we are in such a stemba regime and uh , it happens that we work for a week, then we don't work for a week, now specifically on our the direction of the forces that are in the medical company with which we work with the stabilization points with which we work, there are enough of them and thank god well , in fact, there are not so many wounded, that is, it is not only a question, not only a question of the fact that, well, they are working very well now and the points are a resource, but also the fact that, well, it can be seen that everything is being done so that our fighters, well, hm, so that ours were all left alive so and so and that is why we do not see any such terrible flows in our specific direction. thank you anton for his work for including anton yaremchuk sing the co-founder of the public organization baza ua was in touch with us

. i just want my colleagues to show the website of the public organization baza ua, you can easily go to it in the browser bayz.ua.org and there is such a magical yellow button if you see that it is highlighted in yellow, this is exactly what it is for, if you suddenly want to make a donation to the public organization to continue its necessary work, because to be honest, to be honest, now these volunteers at least definitely replace what should the ukrainian state do, for what reasons is it not doing it? we can discuss it for that, and we have our broadcasts to involve experts in these discussions, but it is also necessary to put at least as much as we can into the work of volunteers. don't forget to do here, by the way, there are requisites and pay-pal for those who watch us from abroad, please join us, there will be a short pause on

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serhiy will talk about all this rudenko and the guests of his program, people who have information and shape public opinion, people who defend ukraine and create the future, right now the main and interesting thing in the program is serhiy rudenko's verdict from monday on fridays at 8:00 p.m. repeat at 12:10 a.m. this is a live broadcast of the espresso tv channel. my name is khrystyna yatskiv. while we are talking about really important things, no less important things are happening in the territory still controlled by the russian federation . for example, it is currently not working, it is temporarily stopped, uh, traffic on it uh, does not go in both directions, according to our information, this is connected with the attempt of the armed forces of ukraine to attack its part in the kerch region, it is said

in the message of russian propagandists and uh, it says about some there occupation missile gauleiter aksyonov, before his post, the local telegram channels wrote about the explosion in kerch, the air defense is working in the rostov region, and the rostov region is just as restless . well, the details will be told to you . glory to the heroes, because at the beginning of this broadcast, i noted how uh, how important it is to follow not only the events at the front, to care not only about how we should win this war, but also about how important it is for us on the go during the crisis not to forget to carry out reforms to improve the state of the country inside the country standard- standardize it with our partners joseph biden the american president is waiting for reforms in ukraine so that it can join

nato ukraine must carry out reforms to meet the standards of the north atlantic before joining the alliance, the united states will of course help ukraine on its way to reform , us ambassador to nato julian smith said today that there are certain qualities that we must have to become a member of nato, and unfortunately, one victory in the war with the russian federation will not be enough . to oleksiy, many ukrainians ask the question whether this is fair, because we have already demonstrated everything necessary to be a member of the alliance, part of a powerful consolidated world forces and no, we see that there are other nuances. i am also convinced that this is not fair, but this is my human assessment, but in general, if you weigh all the pros and cons from the side of the united states of america from the side of other nato members

, then it is obvious that such an assessment is predicted, but i want to draw attention to the very important fact that in the last calendar week, the united states of america repeated its assessment four times, and four times very clearly emphasized the word "e-e" fight against corruption , reform and approximation to nato standards, because nato is certain standards not only in the military sphere, not only the issue of defense capability, but also the issue of reforms, and we actually have a problem with this. let's say that kyrylo tymoshenko, the deputy head of the president's office

, drove a car that was supposed to be used for humanitarian needs, that is, that was supposed to be driven by privates, and everyone waved their hands. believe in ukraine and all embassies are very carefully monitoring such punctures. later we had a scandal with the procurement of the ministry of defense . later there were several more scandals . there is no large-scale corruption and there is no talk of embezzlement, fortunately there is no talk of large-scale corruption with the humanitarian or there with the military commissars with the assembly centers, that is, thank god, so far we have not observed the scale, but on the other hand, we have not observed the work of the system from the side of the parliament from the side of the cabinet of ministers for the elimination of corruption schemes well, pay attention, corruption at customs has disappeared no schemes worked like this and they continue to work from illegal

products from italy ending eh enough large-scale large-scale corruption and our partners will be quite natural. they will demand from us, but i would not like us now to sprinkle ashes on our heads and talk about the fact that they say the whole problem is that we are bad . here we also need to give credit that in many ways our partners will simply play it safe and certain representatives of western diplomatic circles say very directly that we would not like ukraine to test the fifth article of the nato charter, collective responsibility, collective defense, and in this matter they can also be partially understand, that is, they are once again reinsuring themselves, it is fair, no, it is not fair, ukraine is counting on the lives of the best days , the west is once again reinsuring itself, it is dragging its feet with weapons, it is dragging its feet with weapons, with ammunition, with other things, but miracles

should not be expected, mr. oleksiy. well, corruption in general, in your opinion how important is it when our partners argue why ukraine should not join nato right now, is it connected with any informational reasons other than those you have already mentioned for example, the mont blanc company , which belongs to the athlete serhii gubka and his brother vasyl, sells fuel to the russian occupiers and this is just an example of today. appear and so on and so on, does this somehow affect what nato says? no, let's wait , because everything is not so clear here, well, the specific history of the sbu and his family is a question of

the security service of ukraine and when i hear from journalists about what journalistic investigations have found out, the first, second and third. i apologize. and why do we need the security service of ukraine, if the journalists are doing the work of representatives of the sbu , this is actually quite an important issue, and i think that in many points the sbu is still incompletely working on it. but if to talk about corruption in particular, we should not forget that over the past 8-10 years in ukraine , enough has been done to stop entire corruption schemes. well, i will return to the well-known example of the system prozorro, which actually worked, that is, now there is a bypass of this system, now there is a problem, now there is waste back, but the system has shown its effectiveness and in many ways we will overcome systemic corruption in this plan, and these are huge advantages that we can and should talk about to our western partners , but

my personal assessment i would put the low quality of management low quality of management in the first place as among the problems , wrong management decisions both in the center and on the spot on the ground, low quality of management personnel i think that this is the number one problem and we we can see that even now during the war, the central government continues large-scale construction. well, thank god that it is smaller on a smaller scale , but the local government simply fully developed a conditional small-scale construction, with flower gardens , fountains, facades in the administrative building and everything else. you can wait until the end of the war , that is and we have such a rather incomprehensible strange situation when people drop the last 1,000 hryvnias for a second car, and the local government holds such banquets during

the war period, that is the key problem in my opinion, i would put corruption at number two, dear, war is not a reason not to carry out systemic reforms, that is, there is a problem with the supreme court . there is a problem in the medical field , let's continue the reforms, there is a problem in the educational field. we also do not talk much about reforms so far. in other words, in the educational field, i see more slogans than there are approaches to the number of universities to reform preschool educational institutions to the regulation of the issue of private educational institutions and many others . thank you, mr. oleksiy, for the correct accents