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story with the return of the azov commanders from turkey. the conditions really existed because only moscow talks about them. i think that various circumstances are changing, including the relations between turkey and russia. i cannot know from this and i do not know everything, but i think that there are some such issues that moscow is discussing among themselves, but now they cannot come to an agreement or in the near future they will not be able to find an understanding, maybe it is connected with the grain corridor and the situation

when russia is further uh well, it is weakening uh, it is weakening the plan will take actions that will be clearer, based on the position of turkey since february, march 2014. it remains consistent, this is the support of the territorial integrity of the ukrainian state and the non-recognition of attempts to annex crimea is another matter in some of these moments of mutual relations with in russia, it is said in a more general way , but now there is already a clear wording. i really liked the fact that , on the eve of erdoğan's freedom , he only confirmed the consistency of turkey's position, which is not news for us, but

he also added that ukraine deserves to become a member of nato and it seems to me that it costs a lot, so tell me. if we talk about relations in this triangle, kyiv is the anchor of moscow, in any case, president targan is going to meet with president putin, it may be that after this story with the extradition of the azov people from turkey to ukraine with their return home, this meeting may simply not take place. yes, i already had to speak today. and i also think that it may not take place. although today i looked at lavrov's assessment not only of putin's spokesman piskov, but also of the minister of foreign affairs affairs of this aggressor country and although he expressed his dissatisfaction and said that yakiv and ankara allegedly violated the agreements, but then

the message said that the parties discussed low, very relevant for both e sides of the question, this suggests that moscow is now much more interested in preserving, well, let's say, well , at least in the practical direction of relations with turkey than in turkey itself. after the re-election of the president of turkey. and i also think that perhaps we can hope for more warming in the near future in relations between ankara and washington . well, everything must be considered in a complex manner. moscow is becoming weaker, more toxic

turkey will be more clear about its position, which it is, which it does not change , but now it will express itself and act . information sources, media, turkish portals did not talk about the release of azov commanders, they wrote about zelenskyi’s visit, but this story actually did not captivate them, let’s say so. and why do i think that they, er, do not feel as deeply as ukrainian society is like you and i, although there is such a humanitarian aspect here. to be honest, i don't monitor myself very much these days , eh, turkish media is leading eh, i think that all this can still change if i pay attention to

the fact that local there were direct calls to the crimean public to inform turkey and there were also calls to destroy the burials of turkish soldiers during the crimean war, which are near sevastopol, you know there are such large cemeteries where separate english french are hidden turkish soldiers, if there will be any such actions, but in response to yesterday 's dismissal, the commanders will sue, i think turkish society will pay more attention to this, although i think that the russian authorities will do everything possible for so that this situation with the dismissal does not

continue, including in russian society. tell us, in principle, if we are talking about the grain agreement , do you think the turkish president still has any leverage on the russian president , or is it possible to be there in a few there for 6 days before it should, in principle, end its operation, state that it is unlikely that it will be continued by the russian side , it seems to me that it is not so much that erdoğan's weight has increased or decreased, and how much i am experiencing now, well, i'm sorry, will such a word be experienced or not as far as it will be but then he already feels the humiliation of his er composition of the modern and including as a result of er behavior well from the country of which there are not so many who would support like that but this is already

well no no not one of these countries this is not belarus after all, turkey is an influential country and erdoğan is such a powerful and powerful politician all over the world, and what has been released is that the next few days there will be a nato meeting where turkey takes the position of supporting ukraine's accession to nato , all this puts putin in such a situation that he has a new they say that patience may not be enough, and after all, here his ambitions may rise and he may refuse to continue the grain agreement . of course, this situation can be understood, but why did putin say earlier that he was not continuing this agreement? famine, turkey simply unilaterally and continued and everything worked, that's how it worked then and can it work

again, i think it will depend on how ready the russians are not to just break this agreement, but let's say create danger for the export of grain flour from ukraine. i think that will depend on the assessment of russia's capabilities. and how will moscow prove that it is not just ready to terminate the agreement, but it will not allow transportation now me it is very difficult to say because lately all her threats , e.e.

, warnings about red lines and so on, they usually do not work . he can already break down like any mentally ill person . we talk a lot about the repression against the crimean tatars in the occupied crimea. how can you assess the situation in henicheskyi district, where the crimean flocks lived compactly before the occupation of southern ukraine ? well, the situation there is very terrible, it is not the last one. no, it is already happening in places. district and first of all about settlements where the crimean tatars were very compactly resettled, let's say novoselishche novooleksiiivka , there are several thousand crimean tatars in this

village, up to 60% of people were already evacuated from there , that is, they left or went to the mainland of ukraine or a third country, including through the territory of russia itself, that is, through the crimea, and on to the territory of russia and further left, depending on how authentic ukrainian documents they were, we are not talking only about the crimean tatars, we are talking about of all residents, well, in particular, nova oleksivka, we know that and we receive this data from time to time, although i want to say that people there are very frightened, we know that all the houses where people left despite the fact that they left them under the supervision of their relatives or there neighbors

from time to time raids are carried out by the russian military and gradually they are all occupied under the barracks of each private house under 10 and 12 15 soldiers, they exchange someone there , they send other donkeys somewhere further - these are settled, well , of course, this is a very heavy blow to the people. well , first of all the place was captured as soon as last year, i will remind you that the capture of kherson region took place within hours, not days , and hours . what the russians call the crimean tatar battalion named after me, because of bijokhan, they simply did not have time to evacuate and uh , about 15-18 of our uh, uh, young uh, people and men, they were detained, arrested

, charged with belonging to, as they say, illegal military formations and they have all been moved to the crimea and they are being tried there , this is a terrible situation, one can generally assume that this is the policy of the occupying power that was in the crimea, it has spread to the kherson region and it is, in principle, connected with efforts simply to train the crimean tatar people abroad and the administrative borders of crimea and now behind the administrative borders of the kherson oblast just so that there are no crimean tatars in the territory not occupied by the russians, just to define this goal well, what is separate is this task of the russian occupation authorities and they, er, perform this task literally from the first months of the actual occupation of crimea, that is, from 2000 ce of the 14th year, we had literally two or three months there

when they tried to flirt and bribe the crimean tatar people, and then when they saw that they couldn't do it. they immediately went from the first to an ultimatum and then to direct repressions, and starting from january 2015, the period of arrests and disappearances, kidnappings, and everything else began . that is, we saw there and they marched on a broad front, that is, they only formally defined the categories of the crimean tatars so that it would be easy for them to accuse them of being university students of another, members or supporters of the national institutions of the crimean tatar people between the crimean tatar people or local of swords, and the third were members of allegedly banned

religious organizations, and this extortion was carried out by them and it has been carried out all these years concerning the kherson region, this policy, out of inertia , has also transferred to the kherson region in relation to the crimean tatars, because the crimean tatars when their but they were captured and arrested in the kherson region, as a rule, they were added to those categories by which the crimean tatars were punished in the occupied crimea, but i want to say that here it is separate to say that in the kherson region they systematically implemented such a policy repressive towards the crimean tatars, and to others, they say, less than that cannot be said here. i think it is the same in the kherson region. it was determined that ethnic ukrainians and the crimean tatars in general have the impression that they , realizing that they will have to leave the

kherson region with crimea, especially in relation to the kherson region. they are trying to leave this territory completely cleared of people and normal conditions there, and the process is evidenced by the undermining of the dam of the kahovsky reservoir. thank you, thank you, ma'am. refeta refet chubarov, head of manjitsu of the comintern people, i sincerely wish you the de-occupation of crimea and the kherson region, the return of all your compatriots to their native land, and now we will talk about religious matters that have been updated in connection with the stay of the president of the republic of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi in turkey, his meeting with the ecumenical patriarch at an interview with the metropolitan of the orthodox church of ukraine oleksandr drabynko greetings, lord, good blessed evening, so let's talk about this meeting, what is it in general changed, if we talk specifically about religious relations in

ukrainian society, well, actually speaking, this meeting has not changed anything so far, changes should concern us personally, when we want to change something in our lives, we still have to understand that one the first thing is that we have tomos, the second thing is that we have to achieve the unity of the orthodox in ukraine and not have a confrontation, which to a certain extent still exists today, i don’t quite know what the motives and wishes of the president were in communication with the patriarch, however, ya called er, i was interested, er, what was happening anyway, and a er, constructive conversation is taking place, the patriarch is very nice and kind to our president , and accordingly, the president himself also understands the situation that has developed in

our orthodox world today that is, we are clearly aware that the next stage that awaits us is the unity of our orthodoxy and it must be achieved. last year, when on the 14th i had the unit of his holiness, the patriarch asked and how are you you see the process that should take place in the unity of the orthodox because autocephaly and tomos are one thing and another thing is that i am glad that it was all done and it was given, that is, i expressed my opinion and it basically coincides with the opinion in which mr. milenskyi and i also yesterday we had a long conversation , it is similar, please tell me. and do you believe in the possibility that the lavra

as a monastery will become an old-poist-european-pegial monastery of the ecumenical patriarchate, as certain sources tell me, i don't even understand how realistic this information is as far as this is an effort of pro-russian sources , it seems to me that navinsky spoke, it is even more confusing the situation around the lavra to say that they give means from the ukrainian church and other churches, but to what extent is it in principle if this happened in the interests of the ukrainian religious community ? first of all, we have not heard such a proposal either from the ecumenical patriarch or from the zelensky patriarchate, so the lavra was once a strategy even when the annexation of the kyiv metropolitanate took place in 686

before the moscow patriarchate, the lavra remained a stauropygium for several tens of years directly subordinated to the ecumenical patriarchates as part of the kyiv metropolitanate, which belonged to the ecumenical patriarchate today . we have a stauropygium, which is headed by a doctor , michael, this is st. andrew's church, and today i am talking about another stauropygium that we could talk about , it simply doesn't work, and uh, you are pretty much on your own they said that there are some politicians who want to use the church theme for their pr, tell me if we are talking about the situation around the kiev-pechersk lavra now. if you were to characterize it, how it can develop

, the situation around the kyiv-pechersk lavra is quite complicated. others, in order, and there are certain personalities, who are when to localize them, and, as it was done with bishop pavlo, as he said , he is already on the mercedes, it is already tesla because recharging receives from the electronic i-e certain nuances that er-e must er-e enter as it seems to me this should be a negotiation process with the brothers and lavra and to some extent this process took place until the spring of this year.

locally active actions in relation to the kiev-pechersk lavra to the monastery well, maybe it was necessary to wait a little and activate this negotiation process, but without the leadership of the monastery without the leadership of bishop pavlo without the leadership of metropolitan anthony onufriy of nuvinskogo and the personalities who are interested in the fact that the conflict situation flares up and is in favor of the negative image of both the church and the orthodox church of ukraine and ukraine as a whole. equals well, this is really a match, this is us, we have been talking for a month now about the situation when, as it were , the uoc of the moscow patriarchate has to leave the kyiv-pechersk lavra

, they are not leaving. from the point of view of the law, the law is on the side of the state, the state does not recognize their presence, they ignore the law they say that there is no court decision, what other decisions do they need to fulfill this order, people are used to the fact that they live in the lavra since

the 90s, when the lavra was returned -e churches, then, first of all, taking care of the caves, taking care of the muscles, is the specificity of the monastic life , which was performed by the brothers of the lavra, the same worship that takes place in the lavra. who will do this , tell me, and in principle, do you believe that negotiations with the brothers can lead to some more or less acceptable result , you know that what is impossible in humans maybe god has the answer that is, it will be like a sermon and if you ask for an answer well, let's specify whether there is a certain

number of people, then there is a certain the number of the mentioned process, we are talking about something else, yes , we are talking about is there any number of people who are ready to change the church jurisdiction, and on what conditions are they ready to do it, what number of people appears in the negotiation process, never nothing happened, as they say about home-made preparations, uh, never uh, they don't work, so we can talk about something theoretical, but exclusively only in the process we can clearly perceive and understand what we will have as a result. i am convinced that the process can to end successfully for all parties, you are not surprised by the situation when only a few percent of ukrainians call themselves connected with the uoc of the moscow patriarchate and at the same time, the church remains the largest in

the country in terms of the number of parishes well, how can sociology not answer, not answer, uh, i would i told him about the life of the community in the church, you know, yesterday with mr. yalinsky. we did not talk about this topic in the evening, and i told him that sociology does not always correspond to the realities of church life. the fact is that i was the secretary of metropolitan volodymyr for 16 years, and i know a little church life from the middle that is, we have to be acutely aware that a certain percentage of sociology is the general perception of the citizens of ukraine about certain processes or what they would like to see, but there is still a real church family that we call the ukrainian orthodox church

of the moscow patriarchate, which has its own beliefs, its own canonical structures and statutes, and it is this structure that needs to be studied from the inside, as they say , and to talk about the processes that take place in it. on the air, we will move on to the events that took place today in lutsk, and i mean the commemoration of the victims of the volyn tragedy. the presidents of ukraine and poland , vadym zelenskyi and andriy duda, were there. greetings, sir myroslava myroslav is a czech, polish politician, journalist-political scientist , we are in touch, greetings and greetings. good evening. so , did you witness these events today , did they change something ? volyn well, i should add to