[000:00:00;00] tour is necessary, as they say, to study from the inside and talk about the processes that take place in it, thank you, thank you, bishop , metropolitan of pereyaslavsky vyshnevsky oleksandr , the ladders need the orthodox church of ukraine , we had it on the air . the victims of the volyn tragedy were there, the presidents of ukraine and poland, volodymyr zelenskyi , duda, congratulations, myroslava myroslav, a czech, a polish politician, a journalist-political scientist , we are in touch. witnesses from today's events, have they changed something in the attitude of polish and ukrainian society , perhaps polish ukrainian politicians, towards the tragedy in volyn well, i must add to

my introduction that i am ukrainian by origin, even though my surname is yes, this is a fact, yes, that is, because it is important in this given in this context of historical events, did they change , well, they didn't change, they didn't change, instead, they showed that overcoming historical conflicts , historical problems with relations between ukraine and ukraine is easier, it is consistent presidents since the time of oleksandr kvashnivskyi and leonid kuchma, they were actively involved and in fact they were leaders in this process, and now the angelic president and president volodymyr zelenskyi have joined the so-called presidential format, that is, when the president is determined by the policy line of both states and leads society is behind it in this context, that is, this gesture should

be welcomed. especially since ukraine is in a state of war, president zelenskyi came and visited the cathedral of the roman catholic church in ukraine, there were representatives of various denominations, the head of the conference of the piscuate of poland, the head of the ukrainian greek catholic church, the head of the conference of the episcopate of roman catholic bishops of ukraine, the head of the orthodox church of ukraine , that is, a very representative group of church hierarchs. pope ivan paul ii and during his visit in 2001 to ukraine in lviv if we talk about the current background of the commemoration

of the volyn tragedy in poland as the war was affected, well, in two ways, the poles understand that historical vicissitudes, the majority of polish society, that historical vicissitudes, historical conflicts, spurs, tragedies that occurred between our peoples, and in particular in the 40s of the last century, and they must be remembered, and this is certainly the case. remember and focus your attention , first of all, on the fact that remember the victims and pay tribute, that is, people should rest from normal graves in decent, decent circumstances , such if you can talk about it, that is commemoration of their memory should take place in a civilized manner with a christian burial. if these people were christians, and if not, then with the participation of other

representatives of other faiths, but the second aspect is of course, and the war added to this understanding. what is the reason for the conflicts between tact is always beneficial to ukrainians and in poland there is an understanding that putin tried to speculate on the problems of conflicts between ukrainians and poles, russian propaganda constantly used the problem of the volyn tragedy recently during of the economic forum in st. petersburg, putin showed a film about ukrainian nazis, the crimes of the members of the so-called nazis , and about their crimes, and with others, the volyn tragedy, that is, for him, it is one of the pillars of their propaganda and thinking about

the invasion of ukraine, we understand it, we are beautiful, and you, mr. vitaliy, once wrote about it, so that this aspect of the intervention of this third party is understandable, and porsche has an understanding of this , on the other hand, the election campaign, the elections will be held in october of this year, adds its colors and kings, there is a party competition when political forces try to present themselves as less patriots than other political forces , that is, because of their passions , they work wherever they go. persons of such harsh criticism , but president duda must be given credit for showing very dignified behavior and very sharply.

and the publication of the policy together with president zelenskyi must be absolutely supported to say his word, thank you for the fact that he is showing a very worthy attitude , it is not just the president who needs to run for office more because he is finishing his second term as the head of state, and here is the prime minister match maravetskyi needs to run for office and he also came to ukraine, but he himself marked the memory of the victims of the volyn tragedy in one of the no longer existing selyshchna villages in volyn, you know, i 'll tell you when i looked at the prime minister moravetskyi - this is with his arrival and with the insertion of christ from such tree branches. i was very sorry, but it's really a pity, why is the prime minister, eh? well , the country that is friendly to ukraine is descending to such a form, eh, i don't know. well, underground and some kind of that half-cool, half-cool, what did he want to show with this gesture on the video, the president was shown that

it is possible to mark all of this in a civilized way, forms, you can argue , enough, not enough, we can discuss, but you don't even know the memory of people who are resting it does not deserve this for the prime minister to stoop to such and such methods. this is an extraordinary example. especially since i know that the ukrainian delegation will be present in poland on july 11, even the significance of the anniversary of the volyn tragedy and nothing no, no, this is not happening, what could we do in a completely civilized way, so show with your gestures that you are going to a land that is completely uncivilized today? this way of behaving well

it's a pity. prime minister marovetsky, uh, well, he gave the certificate with his convictions and his method of activity, and not with anyone else. i 'm very sorry for the reason, but on the other hand , prime minister muravelska could also come and together with the minister of ukraine, we'll tell him to do this is the laying of flowers and this is the creation of this cross, this was also against this, nothing stood in the first place on this on the obstacles. moreover , the head of the supreme council, ruslan stefanchuk, was speaking in the polish parliament and said that the memory of uh is a common one, ukrainians feel to to the part of responsibility for the volyn tragedy, no one removes and apologizes to the victims and wants these victims to honor their families and understand their pain, that is, i do not understand this, you know, such races that are unworthy of a country of 40 million people in the center of europe, but

i really do not understand, but tell me please, how did the polish public opinion react to this visit ? but i think that it is in poland and all the more so because the ukrainians who were participants in these noted ethnic poles and the citizens of poland in the e-e lutsk cathedral thanked the president from duda for the help he provides personally and more easily and kindly to the ukrainians under the time of a large-scale war , that is, the president spoke as if both presidents showed the state's position and the state's way of behavior, so

the leaders of the countries of friendly states, which in particular , poland lends a friendly shoulder to ukraine during ukraine's struggle for independence condemns state sovereignty and territorial integrity , i.e. the prime minister , the prime minister should not have engaged in such slander. anti -ukrainians who are now on the polish political scene and are fighting for the votes of the voters will simply take his votes if he behaves differently, the party of mr. morovetska is in power without an alliance with such forces or in the union, this is just pure pure if on look at the future, well, about vitaly, we have been living in this world for quite a long time, and we have watched the polish-ukrainian conflict

for the past 30 or even more years and have been participants in order to say never make concessions to radical forces who want to speculate on historical tragedies so that they never will be your allies, and they will always put you in an absolutely losing position, well, you can't give them the field, you just have to stick to your own position and express this position. and the people will appreciate it. ukrainians don't want poles to conflict with ukrainians is clear, all the more ukrainians don't want to conflict with poles on historical topics , since 80 years have passed, it's absurd , the war ended a long time ago. we have sinned, forgive us, we have also turned against us conditionally, and we are studying us

, that is, the formulas are all found here, that is, there is nothing new. declarations have been added. an extraordinary amount of gestures have been made. well, president poroshenko knelt down in front of the memorial of the volyn tragedy in warsaw, president e.e. kuchma was arguing together with president e.e. fashnivskyi from pavlovic from long ago, and president yushchenko and president oleg kaczynski were with pavlok and they were guti pianacki, that is, gestures of this reconciliation with side and uh presidents and parliaments and uh there were extremely many in church structures i think i am very satisfied that presidents duda and zelenskyi continue the tradition

. these far-right positions will be used precisely to worsen the polish-ukrainian statements and not during the election campaign during the future parliamentary term . force uses uses an anti- ukrainian position a very strong pro-russian position and one of the leaders said during their election program of the election convention that it is necessary to put an end to the ukrainization of poland and banderization of polish foreign policy, i.e. purely russian merits, and this party now has 14% of support. well, of course, there is a homogenous migration crisis from society , to which its inflation is large, internal problems and so on. it causes that part of the people

will look for someone else to blame, well, in the territory there are more than two million ukrainians in poland today , some of them are wage earners, some of them are war refugees , in particular women with children, and this causes a certain feeling of fatigue, in the end, nobody is going anywhere anti-ukrainian sentiments were shared in which parts of polish society have always existed and they have always had a certain amount of support , small because small, but always this was, that is, the process is natural i would not give it such a great importance now i apologize because the absolute majority of polish political forces ruling parties as from the opposition, they adhere to a clear ukrainian position, this does not change , support for ukraine, military financial

humanitarian aid continues to gain the support of 80% of 80% of polish society, as well as that everything is here in this aspect , everything is fine . that is, we are not, i am not over-predicting any kind of anti-ukrainian reversal in polish politics. march across europe and this is the trend of the right -wing parties strengthening their positions, not even the right -wing, but the ultra-right are not conservatives, but the ultra-conservatives are so uh , the appearance of the premier of italy at the head of italy and the melody, which in fact comes from the former, became a symbol neo-fascist circles, it’s true well, if you call it that, but st- now there are two different groups of these ultraconservatives, anti-russian, these are ms. melody and the representative, and by the way, the party

of the right-wing justice, mr. kaczynski, mr. moravetskii and many other political forces in this group, they are simply united this is a group of political parties in the european parliament and there is a pro-russian group of ultraconservatives , you know, where the matyosalvina league party is, where the alternative for germany is, where the marin lippen party is, and where the confederation of independent poland is, and it is this group that we are not we notice that these are two different groups of politicians, and it is this second group that is getting stronger every day. well, i don't have the impression that it is getting stronger every day, because the success of the alternatives of the deutschland company was already there before. that is, we are dealing with the dortmund alternatives - this is the problem of the eastern lamps of germany, those who were under soviet or russian occupation for 45 years

. well, just where russia entered and the soldiers stepped on someone's territory with their boots , they completed various social experiments. here we are reaping the fruits of this we won't get anywhere with this, we won't get anywhere despite it germany imagine well, they invested trillions of euros in the integration of the eastern lights of the eu into the western claves, it turns out that somewhere it ended with success, somewhere it did not end with success, now there are problems related to and let's not forget the high inflation in the eu in europe, living conditions have worsened, the prices of energy sources have increased greatly, and this is all felt by the prices of food products, which are also very high . these are natural

processes. which should end with the fact that the european union will find itself in a crisis. there have already been such crises in the european union so far. they are not such big crises that led to the destruction of the very foundations of the european union, and let's not forget one more factor, that is, nato , all these countries are connected by a security and defense alliance, and this alliance is now being strengthened , not weakened, that is, we have two different processes, but they are united by absolutely one, so that security is guaranteed on the european continent by the north atlantic alliance which is intensifying and spending on armaments for security is increasing in every country , what you said about mrs. melanie is a classic example . she was recently in poland

. the rule of law and justice, but at the same time she is a great devoted friend of ukraine and supports ukraine's absolute membership in both the european union and nato . thank you, mr. myroslava myroslavchuk, polish politician, political scientist, ukrainian journalist origin, we were in touch and we will be back on the air literally in a few minutes eh from our guest with sofia chilyak, program director of the lviv buffer forum , translator, we will talk about the ukrainian writer victoria melina killed during the shelling of the russian shelling kramatorsk karsil 15% in in drugstores traveller, you save the heat, it is always easier to get poisoned when there is not enough ordinary water for adults and children i recommend reo we will save ourselves with water reo reo water for special medical purposes

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is the ninth day, 9 days since the death of the ukrainian writer, and we decided to dedicate this part of our program to her memory and various aspects of the approach to her death . stood as a point where different paths and different stories converged , that is, she told the story of those who in lviv were called liberators, that is, she spoke the truth about these places and told this story , so he could say that he was speaking at the horizontal bar that donbas is in fact, well, it is a soviet start, and with the construction of donbas and vika, in fact, maria decided to drop a bomb from a drone so that they would see the donetsk region so that they would not see the difference and the architecture, she even coordinated the strausshaus mission that collected

evidence is worth the war began the actual struggle and lesya matviychuk became the heroine of the doubling of the armed forces of ukraine. yes, and