[000:00:00;00] we are gradually building the framework of our membership in nato and this is one of the elements that makes us happy. good. we need to build this framework together with our nato allies as soon as possible, mr. pavly . look, according to the rules of television, we have to go to commercials now, unfortunately, but it will be short. i ask you to stay in touch with us, we will meet with you and the audience already. literally in a few minutes , the two-in-one nailer does not need to be cut when used, and it is easy to apply it twice a day, it penetrates deeply destroys stops the reproduction of the fungus brightens the color of the nail neyner two in one it is a proven effectiveness noticeable result convenient use in joints and spine osteochondrosis gout sciatica arthritis and arthrosis with all these problems you will find the means for external use dicrasin useful for

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channel. support, your option. 199 people have already given their answers. thank you, so 20 people. 20% believe that they will promise to join nato. 76% will promise long-term support. and your option. four percent write your options in the comments. and after youtube publishes it will be possible to read them in this program. so i am returning to the conversation about pavlo klimkin, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine from 2014 to 2019, mr. pavlo , see during the past day, two editions of politico and time magazine asked about what else they can offer us at the nato summit, and one of the things they talked about was security guarantees, and if the policy is written about the fact that some countries, in particular the united states of america

, are inclined to offer us security guarantees for like the israeli one. that is, we will support your army, we will expose you to intelligence data, we will give you various materials so that you yourself can have the opportunity to resist any threat that you may face after the end of the russian war, then the financial times wrote that there is another category of people who say within nato leaders who say that it is better not to tell ukraine that if there is a military threat against it, a military invasion, then nato countries will either jointly or somehow separately provide it with military support. that is will fight for it for me, we will now deal with these military issues, i would like to hear your opinion regarding

the political aspect of these two decisions for us, which perhaps we can hear in vilnius, that is, for us, what was more important, after all, was to send such a message to russia that he would never come to us again in his life, in fact, the first does not exclude the second , on the contrary, to give us the means to defend ourselves, this is one side, and it is very important to get a commitment that this will not be a subject of further negotiations , but now let's talk about tanks and now about planes . and what we actually need is that sometimes this model is called israeli, but it is not very

similar to israeli in israel and nuclear weapons as you know, nuclear weapons did not prevent conflicts and wars, in particular, the yom kippur war in 1973 took place when israel already had nuclear weapons, but the main thing is that israel talks with the united states and even agrees. and what does it mean to be better in the military sense in relation to enemies of israel, what it means to have a qualitative military advantage, and if we talk about it, we also have to have such a discussion with our key allies, and maybe know directly, this also involves financial assistance. we cannot carry this burden indefinitely now it is clear during the war but after the war we cannot give a huge part of what we have only for defense well, if there is no security and

then how will recovery take place, who will then invest in ukraine at all eh and the second part is of course to say if if russia does something, then there will be relevant ones and most likely we need to talk about such a mixture. if you want a mix of these options, we need their means and we need support . we also need guarantees, but it is very important to understand that this whole story must be considered by us exclusively as a transition to membership in the alliance and not as a substitute, since it replaces membership in nato from the point of view of solidarity , unity, uh, well, if you want such a concrete nature of the obligations that are there, well

, in the end, uh, well, whatever it will be cost because the option of ensuring our security through, you know, the security of nato itself, is it the cheapest among us? well, when we have a nuclear umbrella, some others will be much cheaper, and this is absolutely obvious , so we can talk about a combination of the first and second options, but by no means substitute that is, what we will have and can have in the future before joining the alliance. but in no case in the future, since this is neither a permanent nor an effective solution. it is clear. well, i will once again remind our viewers about what is possible . this will most likely be the case at 1:55 p.m. the secretary general of the north atlantic alliance, jenston berg, will attend a joint conference with the president of lithuania, gitas nauseda, and this will be the first such press conference, and the start of the

nato summit is expected tomorrow. around lunchtime, there will be more one press conference in the morning, and in the afternoon they will gather for the first working meeting . well, mr. pavlo , let's finish this with nato. there is one more issue that i want to discuss with you very strongly, really very strongly. please tell me, have you returned the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi during his european and asian tour, because the magazinian half was also part of turkey, so he returned our azov citizens from turkey, who, according to the agreement with the russians, should not be returned, because they should have remained there on the territory of turkey please tell me what or who could have promised something to the president of turkey, because according to erdogan, he so openly sneered at

the agreement with putin and returned our boys, allowed to take our boys to ukraine. well, first of all, if the agreement is public and this agreement is one reality and if it is conceptual, then it is absolutely different, how can you understand putin in a completely different way, besides, when you violate other conceptual agreements , then why not violate this one, and that is enough logically, moscow is playing with ending the grain agreement, it is trying to blackmail everyone there, it is trying to put

itself in a difficult situation and put him in a situation where he has to put pressure on others. he showed it very clearly, not only by the fact that our defenders have returned, but also by the fact that, of course, this is very, very important. but at the same time, jordan has created a strong position for talking to putin. there is a chance that putin will come. in august to turkey and at the same time i can't imagine that putin didn't know about it, i don't think that there was an agreement but nevertheless , the turks informed about it and for many who are watching this in the world, and in russia itself

, this is a testimony and a continuation stories about putin's weakness. that is, it continues to work. and this narrative is gradually entering more and more, but as dan was clear enough about our prospects in nato, let it be a political declaration . jordan does not say that he is ready for it. to vote directly for freedom but nevertheless from turkey and against the background of difficult negotiations with finland, sweden this is quite vahoma as vahoma a-ah the fact that we are starting a joint production of weapons that we are working together on dragons on other weapons systems and also this means that dan

wants to be independent, he does not want to see himself only as a unique moderator between putin's events , he wants to see himself as a unique leader of a unique country, and he is consistently working towards this. that is, we can say that serdogan, the peacemaker, is returning because last year he has already tried to engage in peacekeeping activities, nothing has worked out for him, and now he is coming back again. i think so, but it is very important that his peacekeeping activities are strong, that he does it from a position of strength, he started with this and if he continues like this in the future, then this is a good start. well, it seems to me that he will speak from a position of strength, because information has appeared that the president of the united states, joe baide, is not against it and even says that it is not what they are against. and that the f16 fighter jets that ankara is asking for

will go for the benefit of ankara and to be will give these fighter jets to ankara, that's why i think he will now increasingly start his point of view on how to stop the war in ukraine to promote, well, i personally think so, but there is also the issue of the grain agreement , don't you think that now after he freed the azov people now the grain agreement is valid only until the 17th, and after the 18th, russia is very strongly threatening not to extend it, because after the 18th, he will continue to act from the position of power that you talked about, that is, will there be a statement that even if her not this one the agreement will not be extended, turkish ships, which are obviously nato ships, will accompany these grain er-er caravans on the er-er black sea can this happen and is quite possible and what will russia do then, well, these ships will go with grain if russia attacks or

detains them it receives a mad blow in its understanding from non-western countries, it will continue to spoil its relations with turkey, not only with turkey, this is also clear, but as for the f16, well, they are not so necessary in the 16th, he has them, he needs them their modernization, since they are needed right now, and not only flying platforms, now we need something that works and there is a chance that i will get the money , this is also part of the negotiations around the membership of finland, in particular, sweden in nato, although he always says that no, no, this is something completely different - this two parallel tracks, so that ordan now actually has a unique chance, most likely

he is the last term as the president of turkey , let's see, but it's not a question of him as a politician - it's a question of him as a person who has certain health problems there, we saw it during election campaign, of course we wish him health and all the best, but we also want him to continue to iron out his position as a strong leader, and we hope for that, we really hope. that's how you speak from a position of strength, so that he acts especially in the question of how to help e- to speed up peace in ukraine thanks to our victory over the russians . well, look, if we are still talking about turkey. tell me, please . there is another very important meeting planned for this evening, well, it is important for sweden, there will be

the secretary general of nato jenstotenberg is present, the same president of turkey and its president and the prime minister of sweden, ulf kristi kherson, and again referring to some information sources, including politicians, they say that erdogan has already been pressured in relation to sweden in nato, what about you what do you think? i think that they pressed this one verb , but in fact he also received something . sweden made changes to the anti-terrorist legislation . but nevertheless, irdan will say well, i got what i wanted and he has such a chance and here is a chance to appear the winner of all and i really hope and i believe that the chance of this

is much more than 50% that tomorrow or the day after tomorrow sweden they will be welcomed into nato. wow, that would be interesting. can you imagine what a howl in the swamps after that, because they always said that we want less nato near our borders . first, they got 1000 km of the nato border with finland, now they get more. well, a little less is still a lot nato border and with sweden is so if goes in this sequence, then soon they will receive well, not soon, but in the near future, also the nato border in ukraine oh , what is there in the swamps howling of a certain audience, but please tell me about what you have read , do you know how they react to the messages that are now coming from the summit nato with before the start itself, nato in lithuania, how serious are they about it, they are part

of russia, they understand so far the situation for them, uh, is in the sense of free fall, you see what is happening with regard to turkey, you you see what is happening in the context of preparation, that is nata, and it is actually not only not the end, it is, it is a real beginning, it will be the result of further development, they have significant problems now already with the macro-financial situation, they are seriously discussing the possibility of reducing budget expenditures up to 10%, while what is internal, but what was the whole russian economy based on infrastructure and the fact that they fueled the war on nuclear power, but the price of gas

is clear to us. the whole machine, which maken once called a gas station controlled by the mafia, is starting to experience problems with the functioning of this particular gas station, and this means that in general, the strategy of the west is to make thousands of holes in them. think carefully about whether to allow this strategy to be implemented further, or whether you need to negotiate, but negotiate definitely not on your own terms, as putin wanted, on completely different terms. well, on

other terms, what are they? broadcasting because it seems to me that, on the contrary, now, from the countries of the european union, the countries of the west, nato member countries, there are statements that after the victory of ukraine, ukraine will approach the negotiations from a position of strength and then negotiations . well, negotiations about what about surrender and i i am talking about the wishes of the russian elites and they want a certain compromise, but they also see that the west, we actually. now, as part of the west, we do not see a compromise that will leave some version of the status quo. we believed in ourselves. the west believed in us. well, gradually is starting to believe in itself and that's all what the west has been doing lately is raising rates so very gradually yes, much less than we would like but it has become very, very much and russia

has already understood this well, the elites will help us a-and somehow they will become something like that well, i wouldn't want to call them allies, but situational allies during the collapse of russia, well, allies definitely don't sleep . well, i wouldn't want to call it that, how can i say it to some kind of auxiliary moments? i think they don't want to... to lose their own they want to keep conceptual the nature of this regime , but they want to live peacefully, they want to have access to the west , they continue to hope for it.

its dependence on china, which will be very, very difficult to roll back, so that the russian elites are also faced with a difficult choice and to keep their own and then it is not known where to go at all. do you remember how in russian folk tales , to the left you go to the right, forward and something they definitely lose, so we have to create a situation for them, wherever they go, they lose and when they are there, they also lose, and they lose radically, well, it really is very important to take up this matter but they are cholera, i will use such a word permanent loopholes on the side are looking for, established, introduced sanctions against oil trade , yes, they are loopholes, today i read on the internet that india continues to be the largest importer of russian oil, if,

for example, in 2014, they are only i no longer i remember exactly how many 2 million barrels it seems they bought, now 40 million barrels of russian oil, because you have to somehow find it, you know , so that when russia comes to this pillar on which it is written to the right you will go where you will lose you will go left you must lose and you will go straight where you will lose so that it really meant that you will lose something that you can go there and then go around and then go around again and you will get where you want to go i really wish they would lose it mr. paul i thank you very much for participating in today's program thank you for your expertise answers well, we are getting closer together to our victory and we are getting closer to the moment that you just said that russia would come to this moment when it would no longer see where to go and that this would be the moment of its end. this was pavlo klimkin, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, 2014 - 2019, as you remember. now we are preparing right now, very soon

, a joint press conference of the secretary general of the north atlantic treaty organization stoltenberg and the president of lithuania should start will take place for this, the press conference will take place the day before the start of the alliance summit in the same lithuania, in the same vilnius. well, now i still have time before the press conference starts to look on youtube to see how you are and how active you are on youtube, so on is watching now on a special channel created especially for the world at war program 1446 people , i bow to you all thank you for watching , a lot of us are also watching on the general espressov channel, as well as thank you , obviously i cannot deprive those who

watch us on the air of espresso tv channel, at least where we are not turned off the marshmallows. thank you to all of you. 317 people gave their answers to the question about what they will promise to ukraine at the nato summit. we offered you three options for answers. and 21% joined the alliance believes that long-term support is 72% and your option is seven percent. well, to be honest. if you are interested in knowing, if you are interested in knowing how i voted, then i voted for long-term support myself, and as we talked with mr. pavel about what, what can it be be long-term support yes it can be exactly as he said according to the model called israeli although it is not very israeli this is when nato member countries will help support our army give us weapons and give us intelligence data give us any other materials for so that we ourselves can face any

threat that we may face in the future, it is obvious that we are talking about the russian threat, because what other threat can we face in the future, only the threat of our north-eastern, unfortunately with neighbor well, the second option is when the nato countries sign that after the war they will help us, that is, in the case of aggression, it is obvious that we are talking about russian aggression, they will be with their troops on the territory of ukraine and , together with our ukrainian troops , will jointly defend our territory. well, let's see what will uh, we already have, as i already said at the beginning of today's program , we already have a very important statement, which is not a statement, but information that came from the very one in vilnius, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine

dmytro kuleba said that the nato allies have agreed to cancel the issue of military cooperation, which is a necessary condition for ukraine's entry into nato. they canceled it and are thus bringing us closer to membership in the alliance. what to do ourselves, we still need to fix a lot in our country, modernize it in our country, but this shows that it is not just an open door for us, but it is really waiting for us and we are going there. well, that's all for me today in the column there is a world during the war everything for today, next week there will be more, there will be new topics, there will be new guests. well, our broadcast does not end there, it continues and continues. my charming colleague anna is with you. melnyk. i congratulate you . continue. good afternoon. the news team will tell each other about the most important things that