at the same time, at the same time, we see that certain german politicians, in particular today , the head of the german-ukrainian group in the german bundestag, robert wagner . be accepted into nato as soon as possible. because only nato provides this and that level of security that is necessary, and all these security guarantees and intermediate er-er means that the solution can be considered exclusively as an intermediate and temporary one and should exist as short as possible because ani israeli model a no the south korean model will not work in ukraine, the israeli model provides for the presence of nuclear weapons and the total militarization of ukraine, which cannot be done within the limits of 40 million ukraine, and the south korean model provides for the permanent

location on the territory of ukraine of tens of thousands of american troops for something united the states will not go, that's why only membership in nato is not faster because of the soldiers, that is, the politicians understand the scholz , the scholz, er, they will be forced to understand this, too , unfortunately, it seems that not today mr. serhiy a-a i have been preparing too much myself for a very, very long time, according to the time in order to form, express, prescribe, write out all these declarations, there was probably enough, but today is the day before the start, and today already, this press conference took place the day before, and discussions are still ongoing eh, this list of partners against each other regarding the actual ukrainian issue, and in particular germany together with the united states, eh, want to block the desire of ukraine as much as possible, that is, to announce this

official application of ukraine to join nato and they are also trying to convince other countries not to allow it to be done, why, why, why did they get to the end, or is something constantly changing, uh, explain, please , well, it really changes, everything is constantly and uh, the front is asking and uh, russia is constantly doing some new things we see that even within nato, changes are constantly taking place, we see how the position of the president of turkey, erdoğan, has changed and how he decided to present himself as a politician who is actually a movement of history and unexpectedly said that he will stand on the side of ukraine's membership in nato i.e everything is constantly changing, everyone is constantly trying to mean, on the one hand, to give up responsibility

, on the other hand, the understanding that something must be done, it is there, but it is about the understanding that the only thing worth doing is ukraine's membership in nato, but it is not there , that is, i am constantly these days i am talking to my colleagues from various german tech companies, and everyone is saying that and how can we determine and solve this? there is probably such a guarantee. there is probably such a guarantee, or whether there is such a mechanism. in any case, the european expeditionary forces should probably offer you some kind of bilateral agreement on security guarantees , and probably something else, that is, you see that people are trying to find something just to disagree with nato membership, despite the fact that nato membership in nato solved all problems without creating additional risks because, again, what are the additional risks? russia is already doing everything possible on the territory of ukraine. well

, except for the use of nuclear weapons, wheat and we invite you to ask about the internal german climate, we understand that there is there is a part of the public in germany that has extremely powerful emotional ties with russia, there are people who worked for russia or the soviet union, in particular, it is about a part of the establishment or pensioners of the former german democratic republic, the so-called east germany, and so on, and are openly pro-russian political projects that function in a legal way, they are not prohibited, and according to what agenda they are now repeating germany regarding ukraine's membership in nato, here it must be understood that 51% of germans are german does not support ukraine's membership in nato today, but in principle, that is, according to the latest polls, 51% said that they support

the fact that ukraine joined us, that is, here again, and german society is more progressive than the german political class. the german government, like at the beginning of this full-scale invasion, the majority of germans supported the supply of heavy weapons to ukraine in the same way, and the government blocked it in a cheap way. now we see the situation with a nato member in relation to these political forces that in germany opposes membership in nato here really very er during ukraine's membership in nato it's really very different political forces. that is, if you don't take the radical pro-russian radical right radical left radical alternative party, you're no less and the left that actually work supporting with their statements and the actions of russia and they have always

been anti-nato against transopathic partnership against western unity. well , we see different groups, well, let's say one group . she is afraid of ukraine's membership in nato will increase the influence of other countries. well, because germany looks unconvincing against the background of, let's say, poland. and against the background of the ukrainian army, which has real experience and a much greater role of nato than any other country. in general, it may lose its military influence within nato, which of course no one in germany is interested in. well, there are those who, simply because of their sympathies with russia, cannot abandon them, but there is a different set of factors, that is, not all of them sometimes they are also criminal

simply because of self-love or because of er not being ready to accept a new reality and review one's mistakes , that's why the set is very wide . ukrainian ukrainian-polish and ukrainian influence in nato thank you mr. serhiy serhiy honest german political scientist director of the initiative center european stability was with us later we have a short break remains with espresso it will be interesting from now on

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, director of the community of mutual aid, emmaus home, this is a community that helps people in difficult life circumstances, people who for one reason or another ended up on the street get back your home, get back some housing and work, and because of all this, also the dignity of mrs. natalya good day good day what do we want to ask you to tell us about the activities of the organization and specifics that appeared almost a year and a half ago, when a full -scale invasion broke out in us and even more people were left homeless, not only in lviv, but also throughout the country, and many of them came to lviv, well, our public organization has been working in lviv for 20 years this year we had the actual anniversary of our work and for 20 years we were actually the voice of poor people who did not

have a home under our organization the first sanitary and hygiene center of this kind in lviv was opened where a homeless person could come wash, get a haircut, eat and just talk about your problems eh and eh last year when actually such a full-scale invasion took place eh and masses of people from the east of ukraine moved here to ms. lich just here to lviv eh actually, we felt, we all felt together what it means to be homeless and that everyone none of us is insured. this is what we have been saying for 20 years, so that anyone can become a homeless person. unfortunately, this is what happened last year and

30 people live in our community, we, our residents, left to protect ukraine these are 12 of our comrades on the front line now. and in their place we accepted internally displaced persons who sought refuge and fled from the war. in addition, we operate a support center for people who have lost their homes - this is, so to speak , an extension of our support center for homeless people. sanitary-hygiene center and in fact already this year , this center has been visited by more than 800 people, including 300 internally displaced persons, people can also receive the necessary basic assistance here

haircuts, clothes, food, and medical counseling, yes, we have taken on the most vulnerable category of people, these are people who were still vulnerable before the war. yes, these are low-income people, people who do not have a good education, do not have any material material support, and this war is even more of their e- so to speak, she pushed me into trouble, she says that they also come to this support center of the vpu - it is almost a third of the vp oh yes, these people need such basic help and do they have housing here on the spot or do they have housing somewhere? they have and just from the point of view of small incomes, they need, let's say, a free wash and haircut, or why. well, there was a whole process at the beginning of the war, they lived in schools, theaters , remember how it all was, and they had a roof over their heads somewhere, at least some, but they

they needed clothes because the season had changed or they just left the house , what were they wearing, did they need some hygiene products there, etc. and they started coming to us later . who could find some kind of housing somewhere, but there are a lot of people, well, if they found housing that does not correspond to a normal standard of living , that is, there is no proper car, they cannot wash their clothes and they can do it with us or use mom, uh, a hairdresser for that, we don’t have them either funds and they can also get it free of charge or a doctor's consultation , but i knew the upper sister, i was in your community and it impressed me , first of all, i was impressed. how do you manage to manage this space? that is, it is not easy

a formal space and a space of love and at the same time of discipline, that is, well, it reminded me of something, you know, such a catholic approach, the approach of some such communities that give themselves completely, so what is called service to one's neighbor, on the other hand , we understand that there is a huge volume and millions of people millions of ukrainians who were forced to leave ukraine and there are hundreds of thousands of internally displaced persons, and we understand that there is a state , but the state can allocate funds, the state can attract officials, but not to the end, here i am there is a feeling that those people feel somehow so reliable or protected, so the key story of helping a person is to preserve his inner dignity and inner-psychological balance. in your opinion, it is not possible to reach the end so that it is worth changing if we are talking about some such macro-social things, well, actually the state

really, uh, if it approaches the problem in a very generalizing way , and that’s understandable. us. they get not just food, clothes there and all the rest, some basic things. they get acceptance, so they get company. they are somewhere in a crisis and understand that they are not alone in this world. that they can be. by the way, this year we introduced movie viewings to our support center. where you can just come and watch some such a nice movie and then just discuss it together, yes, and this is also extremely important . maybe the state does not have the resources for this at the moment , but it seems to me that such communities of life and work. they are a good solution in this situation of war and influence

in the post-war period, because the most important thing for a person is to feel meaning, and she can find meaning only in the company of other people, and that's why it's a very good e- this is a good solution. we know how to do it. we know how to do it. we probably don't have enough resources to cover the whole of ukraine , but at least here. our community is doing everything we can in lviv, but you are your team . you have experience, you know. how to create one common things and how to work with people who have difficult circumstances, often difficult characters and how to force 30 people to live 30 strangers to begin with to live under one roof i am here to interact and work together e there and let's say not to turn this house upside down

is there any such scheme, perhaps they have already drawn it up for themselves so that it could be set as an example, let's say at the state level, or, as a matter of fact, at the beginning during the reconstruction period before the start of reconstruction, because the war can still last for some time, but people already have to live somewhere, spend the night somewhere, that is what to do in what order in order to create, for example, similar communities where people could live, work, earn for themselves and see this meaning in life, well, a community is created by joint action, and it is really not an easy thing, it is a constant work, it is a constant constant process of creativity, yes, and the most important thing is of this community - these are the values ​​on which the community is actually based and we, in principle , adhere to the values ​​professed by the international emmaus movement - this is a non-religious, non-political movement boro with poverty that

actually arose after the second world war in france, because there was a similar situation there, destroyed houses, many people in crisis, and actually the founder of this movement started such a first community, and then these communities were observed all over the world, and now we have more than 400 different communities of this type on all continents. the first value is the community itself. yes it is interaction between people, it is mutual respect, it is mutual support, and it is created by daily work, daily communication and clear rules what is possible what is not possible so the second value - this is work , everyone works in us and work gives a person feelings dignity or work, so to speak, forgive me for working days. how did you organize it? well, the people who live with us, they go through a resocialization course with us, and they also earn money to

support themselves and to help those who are still in trouble , that is, in fact, they do not have a salary, but it is not possible to say that they work for working days. they work for themselves to get uh community we have uh very first of all first of all what we earn in this way that we collect unnecessary things from the population of lviv for many years we put them in order in the workshop, we repair like this and give it as a donation to everyone who wants it. well, our third value is solidarity with poor people . this is actually when a person in crisis comes to us and he is focused on his problems. wants to survive, this instinct works, but we immediately switch the person to help other people to help other people to other people's problems and we say ok and we were waiting for you

. clothes are there, here, a person with a disability has come, he needs to be helped there, and so on . and in this way, a person who is a passive recipient of assistance is transformed into an active provider and an active subject, and this is exactly what is definitely lacking in the state approach, because the state is mainly people they expect that the state should give something, and a person in such a position always begs for our community, a person feels firmly on his feet, he felt despite the crisis, he feels that he is also a provider of help difficult cases of the same story, as they say, difficult patients, that is, there are people with alcohol and drug addiction, but they are also people, and we understand that

it is much more difficult to help, because this is the specificity of their needs. it can destabilize the collective of this or that charitable structure , in particular. what to do with them, i want to tell you that there are drug addicts not only in our community, but probably from international deputies to you a person in need , but do you understand if she admits that does she have problems with alcohol or drugs, how can we deal with it, we work with it, that is, we have to work with it, people come to us with various problems, this is alcohol addiction - this is not the worst problem , for example, orphans who have deep psychological wounds come to us which are not visible at first glance. we are not tangible, so to speak, but they have this inner turmoil, they feel

unloved by others, unaccepted, they do not know what kind of tribe they are, so to speak, and this is to give them the feeling that everything is normal. you you can you can you are like others you have strength it is also not an easy task yes we work with such people in crisis because they are in crisis precisely because they had some very complex problems and we approach each one individually but i want to tell you that when love and acceptance uh, well, works miracles, so people uh, when they feel that they are needed, when they see the meaning of their life, then they, so to speak, begin to work on themselves, on their psychological and various other addictions , and in this way the community on its own

in fact, he earns like this, that is, he no longer needs this additional help from the state, well, we always need help like this because but we have a rule. so what we have to earn, we are not waiting for some donors for grants for something else, we earn for our maintenance and this occupational therapy actually teaches people who may not have been able to work, did not know how to manage funds, teaches them to do it and live and work independently in the future, but of course we also help in the way that we feed, wash people there, we provide a certain other help, and of course we lack the funds for this, because, for example , during the six months from january to june, we distributed about 5,000 lunches on the street and about 6,000 lunches

in the support center, that is, for ourselves, what kind of volumes yes, 200 doctor's consultations took place yes. there is a lot of clothing distribution , and so on and so on. and of course, there are large volumes, such large volumes of help, they also need some kind of additional funding, so you mentioned that that in the center of support you are also about a third the visitors were internally displaced persons , and in the center those lunches that you distribute. they have a place to live, but they simply don’t have the money to er eat, that’s why they come to us, and also because they just want to be together or just

say hello, talk like er. they also come to our support center for our own movie viewings er homeless people of lviv, too also internally displaced homeless people, yes, because these homeless people they also fled from the war and because they were homeless there and now and here is the abyss. congratulations, how can you support these people ? that the people of lviv have been so actively supporting us for 20 years by donating things we don't need in containers, so that in this way you can support our work, you can also support us with volunteer work, for example , we have a hairdresser who comes and cuts hair on

on the free basis of women in our support center. yes, there are people who, for example, bake cupcakes and sweets for watching movies, and we have something to treat ourselves to, that is, and of course financial assistance if someone does not have the opportunity, uh, that is, if they have more work , that is, for example, we will understand that well we need to expand, we need to increase our turnover and we need to help more people, yes. well , your community has existed for more than a year, and i would like it to. well, you would have enough inner strength, so to speak. thank you, nataliya sled, director, community, mutual aid, emmaus, on the segel, yes. well, we will inform you, dear tv viewers, about the most important news from the main information that actually caught my eye, which is that

up to three million ukrainians may remain abroad after the end of the war, and this will lead to the loss of eight dashes 10 % of gdp, there is also the question of how to return them to ukraine and how to make sure that those who are still in ukraine do not actually leave. i think that ms. natalya semetska also has answers to these questions. you say goodbye further, the air continues anna eva melnyk and with the latest news and we will see each other tomorrow have a nice evening take care good evening colleagues president zelensky is going to the nato summit in vilnius and how did the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine react to the disembarkation of a ukrainian veteran from the plane in tel aviv news editor sums up the day what's going on stay with us