[000:00:00;00] how in life you have to take your own if the door is open to you in spite of everything, try to enter it with a try because if you don't try, you will of course later reproach yourself for it, that's why i wish success in our delegation in vilnius tomorrow , first of all, to the president of ukraine and all his team we must do our best. thank you for knowing that i am a mother tomorrow . serhiy rudenko and the verdict program are now for your attention . good evening. we are from ukraine. glory to ukraine is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko . i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, dmytro kuleba, confirmed that nato will cancel the membership action plan for ukraine on its own accord , and volodymyr

zelenskyi is also going to a meeting with representatives of the north atlantic alliance countries for the past week - this is not the defense of ukraine, more than 14 m² of ukrainian territory, 10 square kilometers north of four square kilometers in the east of ukraine , meanwhile, in the sumy region, all residents of the five-kilometer zone of the border are being evacuated there quite often, the russians shell the sumy bilopolsky district, the shostky district, then in a principled decision regarding the resettlement of the forced resettlement of people who lived under shelling about all this and not only about this today we will talk about it during the next program with the terrorist yehor firsov, the former head of the security service of ukraine valentyn nalyvaichenko and journalists roman tsymbalyuk, i will traditionally start with statistics from losses of the occupiers in ukraine so, since the beginning of the great war in

ukraine, 234,000,480 russians have already died in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine have destroyed 440 people since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 485 tanks, 7,966 armored combat vehicles, 4,371 artillery systems, 668 rocket launchers, 414 anti-aircraft defense systems , 315 aircraft, 309 helicopters - 6,937 units of automotive equipment, 18 ships, d-boats, 1,271 cruise missiles, 3,686 drones, 632 units of special equipment that i also want to present today , our first guest is yehor firsov , a territorial defense fighter, a paramedic, a man who fights on the eastern front, mr. igor. i congratulate you

and thank you for joining our broadcast. i am you i congratulate you. as always, i wish health in this country. thank you, sir, and there is quite a lot of different information about freedom from whom. according to the official data of the e.e., over the past week, the entire defense has freed more than 14 m² of ukrainian territory, 10 square kilometers in the south and four square meters in the east of ukraine. hanna malyar says that the e.e. ukrainian army was able to capture the main dominant heights near bakhmut and already for several days, the city of the fortress is kept under

fire control . syrian writes that bakhmut and the enemy are trapped . with weapons during themselves so now the commanders of the azov regiment have been released . therefore, their stupidity and limitlessness in how to use weapons seems to have no end . it is acute now on the front in the east. well, you know, mr. serhiy, er, probably every fighter sees all this through the prism of his unit directly, here you live with your bushes with your lines in these trenches with your dugouts , they become native to you and you know for sure about your direction

, everything as much as possible. you will grow, but as for our direction under the neck a little above bakhmut and avdiyivka, of course the enemy is doing everything in order to somehow, well, let 's say so, to preserve the initiative. she is behind us. i want to give an example of such a story. for example, if the enemy used aviation before, they worked for themselves on the territory. and then they released aerial bombs of the faba and then their plane immediately landed on the occupied territory. now they are flying towards us. and this actually shows that they they even take such risks and understand that

, you know, kamikaze drones are actually kamikaze pilots, that is, they chase their infantry like meat and, in principle, even with airplanes , they start to disperse in this way but it's not uh, well, it's not for nothing, they act like that suddenly, because they're in a certain hysterics , they can't do anything, including uh, politically. but on the military front, uh, they constantly have problems, i don't i would like to say that everything is cool there. the counteroffensive is going on, we are winning, but believe me. now, right now , what is being done is a prerequisite for breakthroughs, and i have repeatedly said that the kharkiv success is why we? well, society perceives it as if it happened in one day. offensive and recaptured this

territory, there were more than 100 settlements in fact, for many, many months since may, we have taken actions that allowed us to make this breakthrough. believe me. now we are working on making the uh-uh breakthrough. where do we know, where does our intelligence know where their storage of ammunition is located, and so on , that is, many such tactical actions that will allow us to penetrate the enemy's defenses, therefore , of course, the enemy is the orcs - they understand this very, very well. in our direction, right under the collar, and we actually have nothing to show off there in square kilometers. but they understand that we

have been working gradually every day, even today, and we are very, very tired, but every day we do everything so that later the stormtroopers go on the offensive and i am convinced that the command understands this. i know that the united states of america and britain understand this because there is communication between intelligence and possible and possible. in the end, the arguments here are exactly why ukraine , nato, and yehor just a few days ago, uh, such a symbolic date was 500 days since the beginning of the great war, although those who fought since 2014 say, well, why are you talking about 500 days if it's already nine 4 years 4 months well, today is 20 days. how is the war between russia and ukraine going on, but these 500 days were

the most difficult for the whole country, not just for a few hundreds or even a few million people, but simply for the whole country from the first days. well, they became territorial defense forces fought in the kyiv region, were in the kyiv region, and then you would have been transferred to the eastern front. before your eyes, this powerful army is being born, which will become obvious. i believe that in the near future it will be a member of the north atlantic alliance . how did the army change ? relatively speaking, from the moment you became a teroboron to the moment when you already became a paramedic and are standing on the eastern front, so, well, no matter where i start, i will start for sure, and i will definitely start

with what, of course, is easy for me to say because how how did i change yes and uh i changed why because i was in civilian clothes and saw very, very many civilians in the armed forces but now they have become real military and i can say for myself you said about kyiv if i was sitting in kyiv somewhere on the third line of defense, and frankly i was shaking a little, now at these hours, these days, we are not the enemy of the first line of defense because of us, and we , i think, do our work quite professionally and with me the same with me, for example, there is the architect eva shakhtar and so on. what guys

which were not military before that, and what has changed in the armed forces, the armed forces, probably with this aggression, finally gradually, but they began to be and be considered a small soviet army , very, very many civilians brought to the armed forces various components, skills at all , not templates, even somewhere in the military , creative thinking what allowed the armed forces to really be a unique army, not just a small soviet army when we once were, but a unique world- class army. i have the opportunity to communicate with some nato veterans, believe me when i tell them about the nature of the hostilities that exist and are taking place in our country, they sit with open arms because they have not experienced such hostilities, this is a unique situation for them , they have not encountered such a situation, how would they, for example , nato soldiers behave for

huge issues arise from them , ukraine has a great experience that we can already share and offer in general such nato organizations, their skills, their protocols, their principles, and so on. one thing, but nato does not accept armies , nato accepts countries and a-a, besides the fact that we are brave . - yes, something formal, legal, something informal is good, and here i think, of course, we have something to work on, that is, i am convinced that none of the nato officials have any contradictions, or are there

worthy armed forces to be part of the club nato i am convinced that it is possible, we are now the strongest army in the world in many components, starting with the use of kamikaze drones, in which i have something to be involved in military medicine, military surgery , artillery, etc., etc., etc., many components where we are super leaders, but in relation to the country, there are judges and supremacy rights and so on, which is very important for nato, here, for sure , certain issues may arise in nato , that is why we have a parliament, we have a government, we carry out our work on the front lines, it is the most difficult. maybe even now it is the most difficult in the world with regard to infantry, especially with regard to attack aircraft that simply gnaw at occupied territories, but here the question is another for our government officials, how much they are this homework so that ut- nato members

, nato officials have little questions for us. whether it is necessary to transfer cluster munitions to the ukrainians or not, many different humanitarian organizations of different countries treat it differently because it is a rather serious weapon that has consequences throughout several years or several decades, when the territory is cleared and the russians use these cluster munitions, now the united states of america, as part of the big package of 800 million dollars, also provides us with these cluster munitions, where do you think these weapons will come cluster munitions as far as they will allow to fight on an equal footing with the russians, well, considering

the fact that we understand that they use everything that they can use everything that burns everything that burns everything that kills this is a country that produces weapons by kilotons somehow i don't know incredible on a large scale, this is a country that produces death and produces, er, all the hatred that is around this russian federation, those in the russian federation itself, how much is this weapon that we are waiting for, how much will it allow us to act as equals on the battlefield, and they will finally feel what cluster munitions are on my own skin it’s just oh, well, i’ll say it’s probably a pity, but for equality it’s still far from the point of view, er, from the point of view of, let’s say , ammunition, ammunition, barrel barrels, and ibcs at our

enemy, well, not even one to two, it applies to all components in general, i think that everyone understands at the expense of what we win eh at the expense of, of course, courage, intellectuality, accuracy, accuracy, and whether we are at war, including with eh, at the expense of western aid, for example, howitzers, three sevens , they just hit well, as they say, tyutya in exactly the same way crabs and here it is. well, i’m already silent, please, immerse about the latest tanks and so on, but to this certain parity , listen, the enemy has been preparing for this war for tens of years, tens of years, and unfortunately, cluster ammunition does not equalize the situation regarding, well, regarding these weights but they are certainly very, very

send, you correctly noted that the enemy is here, these organizations are against if they provide and what do they think about the enemy, about the enemy , you use cassettes. here i am directly at e positions today, i constantly heard the explosions of these cluster munitions, but even that is another matter. they use cluster munitions munitions for the civilian population in general , i.e. look at the summaries look at the statements of the military heads of military administrations there, cluster munitions arrive somewhere in kramatorsk in pokrovsk slovyansk and so on, where are all these organizations protesting against the fact that the states provided us with help, where and why do they not make releases , messages, speeches, when the enemy is against us, er , they apply what in general? well, in military doctrines, among the norms of international law, this is completely prohibited. they are silent, this is a matter of course. and for us, cluster munitions . believe me, as i say, how can you say

a professional military, they will help us a lot, especially in the context of a counteroffensive , because cluster munitions are mainly used against, well, let's say the enemy the infantry of enemy positions to hide these defensive redoubts, and they paid off there during this time, wow, how many of them are dug with shovels , they are driven out very, very deep, in some moments they even concreted their position here to hide this defense , we will need cluster munitions very, very much today with there is information that germany plans to announce at the nato summit about significant deliveries of military equipment to ukraine, according to the links of sources e-e roters that these

may be taurus cruise missiles with a range firing up to 500 km, which kyiv requested back in may, and maybe they will be here or not until the end, these sources are uncertain, but the german side is working on bilateral security guarantees for ukraine, and you and i talked more than once during the war about all these guarantees security, what to do when such a neighbor is obsessed, do you have anything else well, i am convinced that ukraine very quickly expertly, because i understood that they are removing the action plan regarding membership in nato, that is, this mandatory minimum that we have to make and kuleba yes at least he says that we will become members of nato very quickly, or is this the civilian part that concerns the corruption of the legislation of the state management structure that it will always slow us down because our army , as you rightly said, is the strongest and

the military is the strongest, and when leaving, the entire civilian part will be constantly to slow down, of course, there are no guarantees, and despite the fact that they do their work for this, and every day in this world they prove uh, this is uh , i don't have any guarantees. well, he came to visit us there today one military correspondent and in general asks me and do you follow the situation in the country there regarding the vicissitudes of the political i say well, listen, you know, i consider myself the happiest person now if it were not paradoxical that it was said because i do not follow and at the same time i consider myself well, happy that i but i don't follow this and i understand what it really is. well, there is a certain depth in this opinion because, well, officials have to do their job, political officials have to

prove in this world that not only hiding sorry for the pixel of the military, but to prove that they are primarily doing everything to meet the criteria of nato from the point of view of the anti-corruption budget of other procedures a-a rule of law rule of law and so on. well, here the question is no longer for me, here the question is more about who should fulfill a-ah i don't know if at least well, you can call it a homework to fulfill these conditions and prove to nato members that we are really ready to do it, and i will add one point that the only guarantee of ukraine's security now is the elimination of this hostile terrorist regime, and in the russian federation this is the point

there can be a single maximum guarantee, all other pieces of paper we already know what kind of pieces of paper they are, we can go to the same place with them, therefore no , such conditions, protocols, directives cannot be considered as any kind of guarantees, this is the only guarantee, it can be a plus to the fact that, of course, we need nato, well, listen, we live in those times when we understand that there can be different wars , it is not clear who else we will have to fight for crimea and so on. and for with which we work as military medics, they are written in blood, if you can say so. and here we are fighting according to these protocols, because nato countries have been through more than one war and they have many of these counter-procedures fixed exactly as they should work in the armed forces of all

countries, therefore, of course, we need nato very much. nevertheless, we must realize that the liquidation of this hostile regime is , in fact. thank you, mr. igor, for the conversation. it was yehor firsov, because he is an old defense paramedic who served on the eastern front. thank you for defending us from the russian invaders . good health, friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel and also on our social networks, in particular on facebook and on youtube, for those who are currently watching us on youtube, please like this video or it was trending on youtube . well, subscribe to our pages on social networks, we will be grateful for this help

then we are in touch with the people's deputy of ukraine former head of the security service of ukraine valentin nalyvaichenko p valentina i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our broadcast good evening glory to ukraine glory to the heroes so, p valentina, the day before today dmytro kuleba informed us that nato agreed to cancel the pdc action plan regarding the membership of ukraine and what does it mean for ukraine that we will pass externally what other countries pass longer and in a year, that is, at the washington summit we will be in nato yes or no so this means, first of all, that the armed the forces of ukraine have shown enormous military might, using both nato weapons and nato training and nato protocols. if you want, what we just heard about with you. but the most important thing is that the only ones who now have combat experience in confronting russia are

the ukrainian armed forces, therefore and for ukraine. we are now fighting and i think from tomorrow, there will be a decision by the thirty-one nato countries and the 31st leader of the alliance member states that ukraine will first receive not only security guarantees but also commitments with key as our allies, we are fighting for these to be security commitments from great britain and the united states of america and from france and from romania and from poland, in fact from the key ones, i wanted ukraine now in the anti-putin coalition, this is the first thing, i would think that it will decide positively and this is very important for us secondly secondly at the summit i think it will be confirmed and guaranteed for ukraine for our armed forces, first of all, the continuation of long-term support with outfits long-term support with weapons and armored vehicles

and training for our servicemen with it is clear that among the priorities we will receive, i think including the confirmation of long-term contracts and the supply of air defense systems and mice , we are fighting against missile defense in order to protect the ukrainian sky. alyarsu r16 fighter jets for our armed forces so that finally his aviation ukrainian combat aviation covered the sky and covered the counteroffensive of our armed forces so that less we were losing defenders and had more firepower at the general staff of general zuluzhny third third about which there really is no decision yet i think this knife will still be quite tense with all our partners in

vilnius they have already left there with the ballrooms president biden arrived after great britain in vilnius and many other leaders are already in place , i even heard that the prime minister of japan, as a country that heads a large family, is also arriving in vilnius, and all this is not for nothing, all this is for the sake of, after all, i will introduce you briefly now revealing great secrets from the position of the ukrainian side, where i am also an active participant, our position is that at the summit tomorrow and the day after tomorrow, ukraine will officially, by the decision of this summit of the 74th vilnius, receive confirmation and an invitation and an understanding that we are becoming a nato member country. at the same time as a professional diplomat, i am here to allow serhiy to briefly explain to the television viewers that standing up to members can really take some time , for example, as we are a candidate country for membership in the european union, and

we will most likely start membership negotiations in at the end of this year, negotiations on nato membership are exactly what we believe can and should be held tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, and after that you have already mentioned it. i confirm your expert opinion that most likely at the 75th anniversary summit of nato in washington, ukraine should have already completed the procedures and all other necessary formalities in order to become a full member of nato. in fact, we will most likely be the 33rd nato member country after sweden. we have a statement from jebbiv at a joint press conference with the president of latvia membership about the future and ukraine's membership in the north atlantic alliance we will hear and submit we are very firmly convinced that ukraine should join nato

as soon as conditions allow not all nato members have such a firm position but there is a deep commitment to ukraine to its security and future shared by all nato members talks about how it is we who will formulate it that are still ongoing, but i am very optimistic that the signal we will send not only to the ukrainian government, not only to the ukrainian people, but also to russia, however strong and united we all are, will be very important, mr. valentin, you mentioned the security guarantees that ukraine can receive. we are talking about security guarantees from individual states, not from the north atlantic alliance . i understood correctly according to the scheme by which finland and sweden received these security guarantees when they announced that they were joining the alliance i.e. in the event of a nuclear attack . as i understand ukraine, those countries that

have nuclear weapons are great britain, the united states of america, france. who else can help us, they will stand up for ukraine that's right, i understand a little more. in fact, i'm talking and now the formula is being chosen, after all , from the obligations of security, not so much guarantees. well, that will be a simple memorandum . agree now in the working order according to the model of security obligations , which, for example, israel has with the united states of america, but we leave such security obligations with the eu under bilateral and bilateral agreements. i have already named the countries the united states, great britain, poland , romania, even spain, but here it is still very important to understand that all the countries that even i have now named are countries that are not nato, and you know which ones