[000:00:00;00] also to the united states of america, france. who else can help us, they will stand up for ukraine , that's right, i understand a little more. in fact, i'm talking and now the formula is being chosen, after all, from the obligations of such safe guarantees. there were guarantees, not guarantees, but obligations, and the united states of america agrees now in working order on the model of security obligations, which, for example, israel has with the united states of america, but such security obligations we leave the eu under bilateral and bilateral agreements. i have already mentioned the countries of the usa, great britain , poland, romania, even spain, but here it is still very important to understand that all the countries that even i have now named are countries but not nato, and you know the ones that have the largest armies

therefore, such bilateral guarantees from so many of our nato allies essentially mean the gradual acquisition of ukraine's membership in the alliance country by country, and so 31 countries as of today, more than that, for example, the baltic countries , for example, i already mentioned romania, poland slovakia, even turkey, all agree that ukraine can and should receive an invitation to join nato at this summit. the question now lies with the biggest world leaders, in essence, now the key decisions will be made by us president biden , german chancellor schulz, and i repeat, even the prime minister. the prime minister of japan, the country that heads the g7, will also join the summit , since the ukrainian issue is now under the global security issue, the ukrainian issue

, and we, ukraine, are now in the interests of the whole world all of them are anti-put coalition, which is based on nato member countries, that is, it is no longer complex to embroider all so much, we are even asking for a lot, in essence, nato and the anti-put coalition are interested in the fact that the ukrainian and armed forces and the investments that the allies make almost every day in our defense and security have become the property of the whole nato, all 30 of them. well, with our accession , the plan of the alliance to repeat the promises of the 30 three countries has already passed , so said the president of lithuania at a joint press conference with stoltenberg let's hear and see ukraine joins the transatlantic security structures and become a member of nato, the time to repeat promises has passed, it's time to agree on a clear plan how

we will achieve this, we have no other choice but to agree and send a powerful signal to ukraine , the prospect of membership is extremely important for a country that has been heroically for almost a year and a half is fighting against the russian monster from vilnius should become the place from where good news goes to the ukrainian people, mr. valentin , we now see, well, conditional three groups of countries in nato that can be divided, our clear sympathizers and our lobbyists in the north atlantic alliance are lithuania , latvia, estonia, poland - this is a country that wants us to join the north atlantic alliance as soon as possible. there are large countries that weigh the united states of america , great britain. who has been playing his game in recent days , well, it is clear that there with the fighters and commanders

of azov, this is a separate story, but today erdoğan said about the support of sweden , which should be the 32nd country in to the north atlantic alliance, turkey would like to open the doors of the european union for ankara, they have been standing at these doors for 50 years, and this is a very long process, according to you, considering the position of the president of turkey, because sweden will also go through turkey for ratification through the turkish parliament, and we we will also pass in the event that there is a positive vote on the decision, uh, does this mean that not only the north atlantic alliance, but the union will change, that is, what is it that putin did not want changes, that they are radical at all

they are changing this map, geography, politics, everything is being changed because if turkey becomes a member of the european union, it is obvious that putin has nothing to do, and the russians are definitely in turkey because it will be even faster with europe. erdoğan and is he sincere to the end, because we saw how he played with putin for a very long time . well, he continues to play because he is almost the only negotiator besides the leaders of china, brazil , and the leaders of south africa, who still maintain contacts with putin, even the leaders of africa which they also came to us there, then to moscow, even they expressed that they are still waiting for putin to take some steps towards peace, but not about them, now about turkey, i can say that the turkish president or the president of turkey really defends its own security interests now, it is meant before the summit, and he, too, and

turkey, too, have a serious interest, for example , in obtaining modern fighters of the same m-16 that we are talking about and which we want to obtain in the near future, that is, even in even the key nato countries who are looking at such issues of additional weapons now and see what kind of aid is going to ukraine, they understand that this is unheard of and i have not seen it before, technical support with weapons and training for military personnel, and all this according to nato standards, and i am talking now about armed forces forces of ukraine. that is why it is important for us now not to pay attention. perhaps even with all due respect to other countries , they are defending their interests.

among the three important components, the group of countries that you named the baltic states, poland, slovakia, and i would add that romania, because personally , last week, i entered into negotiations with a high-level romanian government delegation about nato, and i can tell you that this is a group of countries that is simply not separate. is on the list of nato member countries that really sincerely want ukraine to be a member of the alliance . the second group of countries that follows them stands alone and follows them. these are the countries that are also part of the anti-putin coalition that also they help with weapons and training, but who have a vision for it, not so soon, it is possible that the country of ukraine will become a member of the alliance, but the process must be started already at this summit , and i would be really fair.

nato member countries are now in a situation and their leaders behind the scenes tonight will actually be, uh, not disputes, you know, such discussions, so that it doesn't happen like it happened in 2008 at the nato summit in bucharest, when exactly these countries, well, plus then also france joined now by the way, i have macron changed his attitude and expresses himself positively and takes the position that ukraine's membership in nato is positive france, but returning to germany and the united states, now you know it will be unpleasant for them if the shadow of the bucharest summit is again not determination but in fact such a win for putin if uh and again their position will not be completely decisive and the invitation or the prospect of ukraine's membership in nato will somehow be replaced by something else, so i think that taking into account this the factor of 2008 and the factor of bucharest e vilnius e still the leaders of the second

nato members will be able to overcome this fear and maybe this you know not flexibility and still make a historic and heartbreaking decision that ukraine becomes a member of the alliance yes with a certain period everything yes, the acquisition of membership, but a member of nato, and this will mean an additional, there is one serious break in the war in the confrontation with russia and its aggression on the territory of ukraine, this break is called that ukraine will never again be a victim of aggression under any conditions. stood alone, apart from the entire civilized world, and this will mean that the anti-putin coalition that has formed has essentially formed and is being formed in nato into the north atlantic alliance. this will mean , mr. valentin, that russia will never win this

war correctly. to stop them and do everything so that they do not win . that's right. by the way, the key ones are set there, i think all the nato member countries, but believe me, we have negotiations, especially last week. i met with all the key ones representatives of even great britain it is fantastic now that the position is being taken with regard to ukraine, especially the members of parliament and the minister of defense of great britain, they all told me personally that great britain will resolutely continue to help the armed forces and really wants and will do everything for ukraine to be in nato, we need to push to negotiate with everyone and tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, to really come to such decisions that correspond to our interests and that will serve to squeeze out the aggressor in our territory, what is the question and i hope for

the same short answer nbc news of the past last week, it was reported that former american government officials held secret talks with lavrov and people from putin's entourage, if such talks are currently taking place, what can lavrov negotiate with former officials of the united states of america, this group of people who are around lavrov and patroshova would not have written this if they had to to name on your broadcast this group of expert and scientists and all kinds of other his assistants really uh has such contacts but with whom in the united states as well of the us state department, these are the contacts that take place at a single level, not even at the governmental level, but around the governmental level . and from the united states and russia, what exactly are they discussing, well, we do not take part there

, so er, i think that we should not even pay special attention for this, it is nothing more than maintaining contacts, i repeat, er, it is precisely the curacly and experts who are not in the government but are close to them. thank you, mr. valentin, you now have a language. it was a people's deputy of ukraine, the former head of the security service of ukraine, valentin nalyva friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our social networks, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, please like this video , subscribe to our pages. well, next we have journalist roman tsimbalyuk on the air, community i welcome you and i am glad i would like to see you on our broadcast. hello sergey. moreover, such pleasant news about russia, about azov and about the reaction in russia , in a word, let's talk about it now. the only thing i will say to our viewers who are watching now on

youtube and not only on youtube is that you subscribe to roman tsimbalyuk to his page because this person who has a million subscribers means a huge audience, if you are not yet in this audience, you are simply depriving yourself of pleasure every night and every day to see roman tsimbalyuk and hear his comments, so subscribe to his youtube channel, do everything to get these millions there was not one but two novels . well, it seems to me that he is already moving to that moment, so let's start the appeal to ukraine. they returned five commanders of the defense of azovstalia, and these are five commanders, some of whom have already publicly said that they are returning to the war in russia, of course, the return of the azovians who were on the territory of turkey and who, according to the agreements with rezhep and who died as a dakhan, were to stay in russia until the end of the war are just going crazy, they

can’t understand how it is with ankara hmm just took and cheated us piskov about the return of the azov people, what does piskov say, we will hear piskov or no one else said anything normal. as far as i understand, we will hear piskov, it is wonderful , we have lost the sound. as for the return of the leader to azov, this is a violation of the existing agreements and we will discuss it with the turkish side, which we actually have already started doing, it is very important that , unlike many countries of the so-called collective action, turkey maintains a dialogue with us, moreover, supports it at

the highest level well, we see how at the highest level, erdogan simply took and, well, simply dropped putin, well, publicly, can it be considered a public humiliation, then it also happened with azov , because this is such an epoch-making event, as she said ex-girlfriend olya skabeeva this was a shot in the back in principle. this is probably too emotional a perception of the situation and with great probability . well, first of all, it is very nice that the russians in pisky also mentioned in one of the comments that turkey is a nato state, it is very cool hmm when on the one hand, the russians are making noise about nato, nato is expanding , and on the other hand

, they are creating a gas hub in the states at the atomic power plant , and they want a lot of things, and it seems to me that this is some kind of contradiction, because it turns out that they they supply strategic raw materials to the west. that is, it is something like feeding hitler if you measure by such categories and it is an interesting moment and indeed ukraine and turkey are neighboring countries across the seas, but we are part of the west and this is very, very cool in my opinion, and regarding the direct dismissal of the leaders of the defenders of mariupol, after all, not azov, but mariupol . so, it will probably be more correct, ah , it is important, first of all, to return everyone to this

light i know very well that the authorized departments they continue the work to return everyone from captivity, and in this case we do not react to these russians, it is not ours, in principle , to belong to one or another military unit, they do not become the greatest, not the least, not the best and worst of our defenders and this work continues. i don’t know why the russians are so nervous about this, but in fact it’s not necessary to do it. hmm. since they have such a prize in the form of viktor medvedchuk, and as they say, russians don’t throw away their own, and accordingly respectively and let with he is happy with them. all the more, they are creating some kind of ukraine in the ukraine

of vladimir putin's dream, but she will be based in moscow and live in the same apartment or estate where viktor medvedchuk lives, and why, why , what do you think, why ordagan? went to such a humiliation, well, this is a humiliation, i can’t accept what happened in any other way, because well, it seems that putin is such a great friend of erdogan and they are not at the highest level, they are on the short leg, airda didn’t even say anything, i assume that it was due to what today erdoğan said that turkey should become a member of the european union , we will vote for sweden's accession to nato, well, obviously, this door to the european union and nato is much more attractive than that one . well , the russian toilet.

to this situation, if the path to the european union is opened to it. and this can also happen very quickly, it will fundamentally change this history in general, that is, what is russia for erdoğan when the whole of europe will be open to him and he will be the master and he is a man which opens the door for both sweden and ukraine, that is, he will be the master of the situation in general. well, compared to putin, putin is nobody at all. well, first of all, it seems to me that the european union will not go to such a size and another combination of agreements will be found so that sweden can complete its accession to the alliance and in fact in part of sweden, this country is not at war, this country has a powerfully more powerful army and these processes that we are now seeing in relation to the swedes, they are uh, i would call it internal

history, simply western cuisine, because many countries there are many interests, many opinions on this matter, so why did he do that, it seems to me that the main reason is that russians behave like monsters, because maybe they are monsters, and one of the key reasons is that putin and the rest of the russian passport holders and so on, they constantly they lie, they lie to everyone, for example, for the last time, the position of the russians regarding the grain agreement , what do they say there, something like someone promised them something, a sailboat , someone to the bank to decide for their good, you, and so on and so on well, this is nonsense hm delusional

it is taken in russian, of course . there are no other options in this document, so it seems to me that the very fact that the russians publicly questioned the authority of turkey only in this part with their constant here we go on, we don't go on, and it's clear that they can't say no, more precisely, that's not how the russians there can say no , the only thing is that the grain agreement will work, and without the russians, fascist russia will most likely be replaced by the navy of the republic of turkey, and in the final case what is interesting is that at the very last moment they will say , oh, you know, we are not against it, and so on. and this is the arrogance of constantly twisting in all positions. i

even think that it is global. hmm, we see turkey with all its multi-vector politics they really are no matter what, and no matter what anyone thinks or says, they choose the west, and in this case , the creation of joint projects with ukraine in the military sphere speaks for itself and the construction of the bayraktar plant. i don't know when it will be built, but the trend is this what is wrong with the russians, they have such an operation, although they will probably buy gas at some stage , something will happen, but it is global. everyone understands that these countries are competitors, and let's see.

can be called a state in the eastern part mentality, well, look at all these russian propagandists, they allow themselves hmm, to put it mildly, such things, which, to put it mildly, evoke in people images from the taps of russian television. what they wanted to do is already broken and now it's burning out, well zaporizhia oblast has many reasons for that. the most important thing is that the turks are using their power and because of this they can afford not to impose sanctions against the russians, but today and tomorrow may be completely different because again

after all, turkey is the west, no matter what, there is another piece of information that appeared literally. well, these days, it's about the fact that a group of people who wanted to carry out a coup d'état met with putin on july 29. it turns out that putin killed the arrow like them they say with someone brought from his team, and there they found out the relationship, we have a little synchronicity with putin , we will hear it, we will not let it happen again, we will protect our people and our statehood from all kinds of reasons, including internal betrayal , and that's exactly what we faced treasonous ambitions and personal interests led to treason, to treason, to treason, to one's country and one's people, and to the cause for which the fighters and

commanders of the wagner group fought and died side by side with our other units and divisions on july 29, when actually this whole story of the 24th this whole story unfolded uh, how, how, i don’t know how, how can all this be explained. well, you have been in russian politics for a long time, uh, and an expert on this russian politics, can you explain . how can it be that the president of the country meets with those who arranged against there is a mutiny about something there, something is being decided there and something is being cooked up, it just doesn’t come to my head. well, it seems to me that vladimir putin took off his pants in public and, er, conducted a er, rhinotherapy session on the graves of russian soldiers and those pilots whose fire

but they destroyed and killed, well, it’s just a different way to write it, it’s very difficult from the other side. this story with wagner is not only the fact of the meeting itself, but it’s always about wagner . as putin said in the part, this group operates there, it’s not us, we’re there. no and these things i i was convinced that it was said once and to rdan repeatedly, partly in the context of the events in libya, and syria, first of all, well, accordingly , the macrons discussed mali, and so on , and then it turned out that this is a structure, it is financed by the russian state , this is not a secret, but when a person talks about it so frankly, then in fact he has spat in the face of the same verdon, and not everyone likes it, and

there are quite a lot of ways to take revenge on this manichelle of russia . well, i see that putin's task at the moment is with on the one hand, well, everyone is wondering who you are. you are not a tsar, or you are not a president, or how is it, there is no punishment, nothing, but it seems that his main task now is to send these people to the front, first of all, to ukraine in order to spend about the continuation of hostilities because they don't want them to say that they don't like the speed of our contour attack, but not the artillery, we work non-stop and we have losses, but the people there are simply very active and it is enough to understand that and even in such

propagandistic programmers are simply nowhere to be found putin is so cool and wonderful, he is talking about problems with the range, attention problems with the range of artillery systems in the russian federation, that is , there were no such problems before well, at least they did not talk about it, but now against the background of the fact that there are western artillery systems more and more ammunition. we have uh, again, in recent months i have not heard a single message that there are no ammunition for artillery , we have a lot of things, both good and bad, but the systemic issue has been resolved and it is clear that this artillery minus the russian invaders on the territory of ukraine non-stop and now the question is where to get

these people to carry out a new mobilization, but it is scary, as it was said in the russian broadcast again . there are such things that during the second world war or the great patriotic war, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th ukrainian fronts numbered two commas hmm and five, i.e. 2.5 million people a-a that is, this is a hint of what what we don't need any more meat to throw in ukrainian e-e to ukrainian squids no no no no managed to negate the russians on the territory of ukraine and in a situation where this leads to tension in society. for them, mobilization or mobilization is not real yet

. a person who knows almost everything about russia and russian politics. friends, we will put an end to this. i say goodbye to you until the next program. i wish you all good health. take care of yourself and your relatives. goodbye from london on bbc news ukraine. i am evgenia shydlovsk and in today's issue we are talking about the counteroffensive in the armed forces of ukraine, how the ukrainian military is trying to break through russian fortifications, while the united states plans to transfer cluster bombs to ukraine - this is a controversial weapon that can help the armed forces of ukraine gain an advantage