[000:00:00;00] thousands of flags of ukraine for each member of nato, then the whole city is hung with posters that ukraine will be the 33rd member of nato when i boarded the plane i noticed such a huge banner at the vilnius airport where it was written welcome to nato and the swedish and ukrainian blue- yellow flags, it must also be said that anti-aircraft missile batteries are located, the patriots came here from germany specifically because this is not a joke, so many world leaders come here, security should be all the more that many planes pass through this shoval isthmus between kaliningrad and belarus, i.e. this mountain corridor 30 km ago, it is very dangerous, so to speak, from the point of view of security, what are the prevailing moods? well, it must be said that there was just a public opinion poll in lithuania, 89% of lithuanians support lithuania's membership in nato , the satisfaction of this must also be said that just in

a poll was published in ukraine today and 89 percent of ukrainians also support ukraine's membership in nato . so 89% there and 89% here must say what is happening right here in this huge center lead-expo, such exhibitions - the exhibition hall is huge, this is the very historical place where 10 years ago, viktor yanukovych, the then president of ukraine, did not sign the association agreement at the summit of the eastern partnership, and this led to his escape, and then to the euromaidan, so it's the same place, but now already big difference then in ukraine they offered to sign an association agreement now regarding nato ukraine itself wants more than what is being offered yes what 10 years you really mentioned it seems like it was not so long ago and what should ukraine expect in general here is this refusal from the pdc, although there are still no such final statements, whether it will speed up the country's path to nato, so first of all, it is important that president

zelenskyi will come to vilnius for the nato summit, but he will come on wednesday to the meeting of the nato council of ukraine, this is the first thing we have, because it was still this weekend there was no certainty he will come he will not come ukraine is satisfied with the unhappy ending then of course the pdc refusal of the pdc is very important if it really passes and this is a british initiative that ukraine fervently supported this is absolutely so straightforward now the path to nato ukraine greatly simplifies such in a nutshell, it's so straight-forward, expensive, and then the creation of the ukraine-nato council instead of the stolen commission. let me remind you that this ukraine-nato commission was already created 20 more than 25 years ago, which gives, firstly, a higher level , and secondly, ukraine will already be an equal partner with nato with nato countries, thirdly, ukraine can itself now convene the council of ukraine, nato, and not wait for the nato commission to call, and kyiv has already initiated the council itself, and by the way, budapest, hungary will not be able to block it

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do at the beginning of every program every week i want to remind those who watch us on youtube you can watch uh espresso channel, as well as on the channel created specifically for the world at war program, so on this special channel, every week we ask you a question to which we want to hear your answer , and today's question is no exception. today we delivered to you, obviously not the original, but it is exactly what it should be today the day before nato in vilnius, which starts tomorrow, so what was promised to ukraine, they will promise us in ukraine at the nato summit in lithuania. the first option is joining the alliance. the second is long-term support . the third is your option. please give answers to your questions somewhere in the middle of the program, i'll add up the intermediate results . let's see how you answer this question

, well, at the end, it's obvious that there will be a bull- put an end to this. well, let's vote. well, and at the end, maybe even we will have to go off the air for 5 minutes faster because in vilnius, well, at least a joint press conference is planned, a joint press conference of nato secretary general jens stoutenberg and the president of lithuania , the host of this country, the host countries of this one, the guitarrasa for everything and it is planned somewhere at approximately 1:55 p.m. therefore, maybe we will just finish a little faster, and one more thing i would like to ask all of you who watch yours on youtube, please put your favorites under this one under this video if you like the program i liked it. i really hope that you like it. i don't like it. if you don't like it, i don't understand why you might not like it. oh, and leave your comments . it's extremely important

for us. we read your comments. likes don't likes to help promote the world during the war in the complex youtube algorithm so that as many people as possible have the opportunity to watch this program, well, obviously today's main and probably the main topic is nato in vilnius, which starts tomorrow and will be until the day after tomorrow, that is, tuesday and wednesday, and i will talk about this but also about another . today, i will also talk with pavlo klimkin, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2014-2019, mr. pavlo. i congratulate you. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. first of all yours ours because the viewers are waiting for you know that your answers are very for well they are important for all of us so thank you very much for joining mr. mr. see if last

week i also talked a lot about nato that well, last week the day before last, you could also say that it was some kind of guesswork on coffee grounds. and what could be, what could not be the day before the opening, exactly. we already have enough information to ensure that this did not happen. i hope fortune-telling over coffee and porridge. and i'm sure you have even more information, maybe even insider information, which if you can even share it with me, but look at the latest news of the last hour that appeared on the ukrainian forum, it was made public by the minister of foreign affairs, dmytro kuleba. here he said that they canceled the requirement for the pdc, the action plan for nato membership for ukraine, mr. pavla. explain to our viewers what it was all about, when it

appeared and why. and if it is important for us that it was canceled well, i will remind you over the coffee grounds, which is the cry, which is for you, and they are coffee lovers, they like coffee, but not the grounds, what about the pdch. there was no need to guess over the coffee grounds, what is it to understand that this tool is for us and for nato, for us together during our approach to nato, it no longer works and will not work because of that he is completely bad, and first of all, he is from the 90s, he is a kind of logic, very structured, and he is about how to move gradually and ovulate slowly, complying with all possible and impossible

bureaucratic and political requirements to nato during the war, it is the usual nonsense and after the war it will be meaningless, and it is absolutely clear to us and to us that this decision has actually been made. we will hear it there and see it in the near future. especially attitude this does not mean that we should not go forward and we should not adhere to nato standards and strive for them e-e it would be bad for ukraine and bad for the alliance in general for common solidarity there are things related to the military e-e different options are

security there are of course general e-e in nato accept the unarmed forces are not the special services, but the country, the country as a whole, with its political system , with its stability, with its stability, democracy , the rule of law, and of course we need a plan. more poor and political, but at the same time we do not receive discounts from nato , as i said, we will work on a different logic of accession, and for me one of the key results would be if from toltonberg i would go to a press conference, you will hear today

his initial press conference with the president of lithuania, but then there will be a few more, but he would come out and say that i will stay here for another year. with respect to daens, who knows very well that we need such a good horse, that everyone respects him, that is able to pull, that is able to achieve unity of all allies, and we would really need him to come out and told me that they have been assigned to develop a new plan, i will start it immediately tomorrow on the first day after registration and in the near future, a new entry visa for ukraine will be ready and we will discuss it then at the newly created ukraine nato council, here are five for me, a result that would be worthy and

would warm our hearts, we would like more we would like an immediate invitation to the alliance, but as a result, at least this would be worthy, mr. pavlo. well, look at what you said. okay, we all understand that we will not be invited to nato. we will not become a member of nato. it is worth talking until the end, before our victory over the russians. now you say that you have taken away this bureaucratic mechanism that delayed our accession to nato, if, for example, this happens and jenstotenberg comes out and says that i was instructed to write a new plan for ukraine's accession to nato this plan will be faster, this plan will not only be faster, it will be more ambitious, because it not only delayed it, but it made it difficult to move with some bureaucratic hooks. this does not mean that

they are not needed at all, but the vision of ukraine joining nato after the war, during the war, it should be political. if you want it to be geopolitical, and the fact that there is no pdc actually means that nato is rebooting itself and us in the 21st century. look at recent history after the second world war, there were countries that have passed from the conditions of the third world to the western, these are very different examples: japan, south korea, israel, singapore, own and the mass of maturachchyna , there are a lot of them, but no one, even during this time, and certainly no one in the 21st century, came so

ambitious, large-scale with the desire to join the european union and donata, and this means that not only geopolitics, but world politics in general is changing precisely because of the fact that ukraine is changing it right now and that is why i think it is critical that we need a new logic, and on this logic, well, jens will definitely work in the near future, uh, now you still have such a question, look at the last one, even until today. and in the end, even now before the program, i did not find any information about whether the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, will definitely be at this summit, because the last thing i found was that he said we should hear something. well, dmytro kuleba said that we will hear something and it is something important and very relevant for us that will push us to join nato

. please tell me if you have any information or if there is any decision in the president's office will they be like this or will president zelenskyy be at this summit? i think that this question should be asked where the president's office is and nobody here should engage in any speculations, but i think that today, even if the result is not the one that all ukrainians would like, no one will say to zelensky it is wrong not to go and i will say why if we are not allies at the same table if we do not talk with them about the future if we do not talk about military and financial aid personal

after shaking hands with such a real so who will be happy, they will be happy in the kremlin well, agree, they will say, you see, they started some conversations there, some quarrels started there, and we should not give them even such an excuse, and everyone perfectly understands that we wanted more yesterday and that this is a fundamentally important issue, but at the same time, we understand the world, we understand that our allies have their own opinions, they do not share us. since we are ready to raise the stakes, we have shown it, we are not afraid of anything , but some of our allies think that if ukraine is invited now, will it not be mean a direct path to a conflict with russia, including a possible nuclear conflict, as then interpol article 4 on immediate

consultations in case of danger, and even more so article five on the collective baron, it is not automatic, you know perfectly well but nevertheless it is perceived as a basis of the entire western trans-atlantic security system to allow russia to somehow manipulate and increase the stakes, russia can if you want my opinion, it can raise the stakes and try to attack one of the nato countries to show that it is not working or together with us why not 100% can, especially putin in today's reality, when after the prigozhin putsch, many people understand that his situation is weaker than before, or are you for the internal russian situation ? we will also look at the second part of the arguments in

the near future. tomorrow's russia, where its leader is the head of its regime in a weaker institution , is this not a predictable situation anymore , or is it worth maintaining a strong position and not going for escalation, which could be considered in the kremlin as a provocation? and what to do with this in general because of russia, it is clear that it is not only about putin, nor about the russian elites, but also about russians. and what to do with the control system for strategic weapons, which putin has suspended for the time being, and there are many more questions that i can now continue through someone up to the press

- the stoltenberg and nausede conferences. of course, it is not going to do this, but it is very important to understand that our western allies want victory over this regime, but they see this victory as controlled, they do not want escalation, they do not want the risks of capture nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction, they don't want the risks of military destabilization of the situation because it will also affect other markets, there are oil markets or metal markets, and for us this is a consideration during the time when we see the strikes of people and at night when we we see how we are losing the most valuable thing that we have, it is our people, this argumentation on the one hand is rational, it is understandable, but emotionally, no

, but nevertheless we are going to nato, we are going to the eu, we understand that these are our allies, we have no other allies and we have try to combine their arguments and our arguments, which are largely emotional, this is our task, so i believe that participation in this summit is an important decision, of course, for volodymyr zelenskyi, and we will respect any of his decisions. he feels that this is in constant dialogue with the leaders of our allies. but i i believe that we should not allow russia or even china or anyone else to point their fingers at us and say, "you see, they are dealing with the fact that the west is increasing, but nevertheless they are already internal problems and

quarrels, that is, everything that serves the kremlin definitely does not serve our benefit, and we are responsible people and we understand this well, mr. pavlo, look. last year , the nato summit was also held in madrid, and it was so obvious that they talked about ukraine because the war had already lasted six months. well, a little less than six months, and now it has been going on for one and a half years, there is some kind of change, this shift is inserted into the support of ukraine in the midst of the leaders of the nato countries . well, there is already this, that we can see that they have already canceled the pdp for ukraine. obviously, i also suspect that there will be some surprises during these two days which were talked about, for example, by the prime minister of estonia, the same person, the same president of lithuania, and they all set us up for a settlement somehow, that there would be something else. that is , this is a very important summit for us. in your opinion , it will go down in history simply as

historical for ukraine or fateful for us everyone is now a test, agree every nato summit or every diez is historical for us will it be fateful for me fateful right there is a very simple decision that ukraine goes to nato just as it was once accepted the decision that ukraine is going to the european union, but it is not the only one for us , not a summit, just as there is a decision that we are going, one day there will be the start of official negotiations, then there will be membership, that is, there are milestones in our history too , they do not consist of only one of the two or three events eh i think we are always prone to white and black treason victory but relying on one summit eh common important but nevertheless we have

to achieve a result result for us it is our membership in the alliance as well as even being in the alliance, this does not mean that our security is automatically fully ensured and there is nothing else to do. the russian regime will continue to exist in one form or another. well, we are in the world , of course, somehow inside. we hope not . however, we assume that the russian regime will and we will see this or that. we will need to continue to defend ourselves and be part of a common strategy to contain this regime, a common nato common is a village strategy , so again, historical or fateful let's leave it to the historians, they will write there interesting books eh maybe someone will read them ah now is the time to create history and not write history textbooks so i would

really like it to become historical and fateful maybe someday you will write about it in your book ah i would really like to see it and now about the ukraine nato council , which will appear on wednesday at noon, at 1:00 p.m. i don't remember exactly the work schedule, but at noon it will start its work in vilnius. ukraine , nato, which has existed until now and why. so, well somehow, many of our experts and non-experts just like to talk , they put their hopes on this very council, why is it important, they have special hopes. it is really a step forward. it is important for us, and the signal for putin is important, remember

you see, in 1997, they are trying to make up for the fact that it was not putin, but yeltsin, and they are giving russia a chance to get a soviet. russia will give it accordingly , of course it is not working now. yes , and how can it work in our country ? nevertheless created by this council against the background of the fact that the nato russia council is nowhere, it says that the attitude towards ukraine will never be secondary again, that we are at the same table and no one like the hungarians will then try to manipulate it, delay something there or say we are going, we are not going, we are playing we do not play, this is an important path of the poet, it is very important for us that the council discuss serious

issues, that is, our security, our defense, my mother-in-law , the alliance, not individual allies, namely, the alliances of both sides for ukraine well, actually moving forward, since as i said, there will still be a new plan, a new line, call it whatever you want, and we need to understand and what to do about it, discuss how we will jointly implement it. well , that's exactly what the council is for, to say that the council is somehow positive news, so definitely or not the council is a substitute for what we need, well, of course not. but nevertheless, we are gradually building the framework of our membership in nato - this is one of the elements. good . we need to build this framework together with our nato allies as soon as possible, mr. pavel