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. espresso tv channel broadcast. this can only mean one thing , that now you have the opportunity to watch a program that usually airs constantly. on the air, this very eye grew from during the war. every week, i and my guests discuss the most important things that happened in the world during the past week and at least try to look into the week that lies ahead of us in order to be well if unprepared for what could happen then at least informed because information is also power okay before i introduce my guest today i will do what i always do at the beginning of every program every week that is i want to remind those who watch us on youtube you can watch on general espresso channel as well as on the channel created specially for the world at war program, so on this special channel we ask you

a question every week to which we want to hear your answer today is not an exception, the question that we asked you today is obviously not original, but it is exactly what today should be the day before nato in vilnius, which starts tomorrow, so what was promised to ukraine, they will promise us in ukraine at the nato summit in lithuania. the first option is the introduction to to the alliance, the second is long-term support. the third is your option. please answer your questions somewhere in the middle of the program. i will summarize the interim results. we will have a full stop in this voting. well, at the end, we may even have to go off the air for 5 minutes sooner, because in vilnius , at least, a press conference is planned together with the conference of nato secretary general jens stoutenberg and the president of the aletva

host of this on the host countries of this sami that guitar is everywhere and it is planned somewhere around 1:55 p.m. therefore, maybe we will just finish it a little faster, and one more thing i would like to ask all of you who watch yours on youtube, please put your favorites under this one under this video if you liked the program, i really hope that you will like it, don't like it, if you don't like it, although why you might not like it, i don't understand , oh, and leave your comments , it's extremely important for us, we read your comments, and this is extremely important for that to, together with likes and dislikes, help promote the world during the war in the complex algorithm of youtube so that as many people as possible have the opportunity to watch this program , well, obviously today's main and probably

the main topic is nato itself in vilnius, which starts tomorrow and will be until the day after tomorrow, that is, tuesday and wednesday, and about this, but also about other things i will talk about today and with pavlo klimkin , minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2014-2019 mr. pavlo i congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes i congratulate you mr. yury and i am glad to be with you your viewers ours but first of all yours ours because the viewers are waiting for you know that your answers are very for well they are important for all of us so thank you very much for joining p see if last week i also talked a lot about well, that's it. last week, the day before last, it could also be said that it was some kind of guesswork on coffee grounds. and what can be that can't be the day before the opening? we already have enough information to make sure that it didn't happen.

i hope so. i hope fortune-telling over coffee and porridge. and i'm sure you have even more information. maybe even insider information, which if you can even share it with me, but look at the latest news of the last hour that appeared on the forum in the space of ukraine. it was made public by the minister of foreign affairs, dmytro kuleba and here he said that they canceled the requirement for a joint action plan for nato membership for ukraine, mr. pavla. explain to our viewers what it was when it appeared and why. and if it is important for us that it was canceled well, i will remind you over the coffee grounds, what is the cry, what is it to you, and the karamans, they like coffee, uh, and not the grounds , as per the pdch. there was no need to guess over the coffee grounds, what is it to understand that this tool

is for us and for nato for us together during our approach to nato does not work anymore it will also work because he is completely bad, and first of all, he is from the 90s, he is kind of disorganized, very structured, and he talks about how to ovulate gradually and take his time , complying with all possible and impossible requirements is bureaucratic and political to move towards nato during the war is the usual meaningless and after the war will be meaningless and it is absolutely clear to us and to us that this decision has actually been made and we

will hear it there we will see it in the near future this is important it says about what will happen to us special treatment this does not mean that we should not go forward and should not adhere to nato standards and strive for them eh it would be bad for ukraine bad for the alliance in general for common solidarity there are things related to the military eh various options are security of course, the general e-e in nato accept the unarmed forces, not the special services, but the country, the country as a whole , with its political system, with its stability, with its stability, democracy, the rule of law, and of course, we need a plan, this cannot be

a pdc, this plan cannot be purely bureaucratic it should be much more poor and political, but at the same time we do not receive a discount from nato, as i said, we will work on a different logic of accession, and for me one of the key results would be if from toltonberg i would go to a press conference today you will hear his initial press conference with the president of lithuania, but then there will be a few more, and he would come out and say, i'm staying here for another year . i was asked by the allies, and this is actually a correct story. during the war, horses are not changed, and i i say this with great respect who knows very well, we need such a good horse, which is respected by everyone, who is able to pull, who is able to achieve

the unity of all allies, and we would really need him to come out. the first day after registration and in the near future a new entry visa for ukraine will be ready and we will discuss it then at the newly created ukraine nato council, here are five for me, a result that would be worthy and would warm our hearts, we would like more we would like an immediate invitation to the alliance, but as a result, at least this would be worthy, mr. pavlo. well, look at what you said. okay, we all understand that we will not be invited to nato. we will not become a member of nato. it is worth talking until the end, before our victory over the russians. now you say that you have taken away this

bureaucratic mechanism that delayed our accession to nato, if, for example, this happens and jenstoutenberg comes out and says that i was instructed to write a new plan for ukraine's accession to nato this plan will be faster, this plan will not only be faster, it will be more ambitious, because it not only delayed, if the pdc was maintained , it made it difficult because it was moving with some uh bureaucratic hooks. this does not mean that they are not needed at all, but the vision of ukraine joining nato after the war, during the war, it should be political. if you want it to be geopolitical, and the fact that there is no pdc actually means that nato is rebooting itself and us in

the 21st century. look at recent history after the second world war, there were countries that passed from the conditions of the third world to the western, these are very different examples, japan, south korea, israel, singapore, own tamasa maturachchyna, there are many of them, but no one, even during this time, and certainly no one in the xxi century, came so uh , ambitious, large-scale with the desire to join the european union and donated, and this means that not only geopolitics, but world politics in general is changing precisely because ukraine is changing it. right now and that is why i think it is critical that we need a new logic, and on this

logic, well, jens will definitely work in the near future, uh, now you have another question. look uh, until the last one , even before today's. in the end, even before the program, i did not find any information about whether the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelensky, will definitely be at this summit, because the last thing i found was that what he said, we should hear something. well, dmytro kuleba said that we will hear something, and it is something important and very relevant for us, which will push us to join nato . will they be like this or will president zelensky be at this summit? i think that this question should be asked where the president's office is and never engage in any speculations, but i think that today, even if

the result is not what all ukrainians would like, no one will say to zelensky it is wrong not to go and i will tell you why if we are not allies at the same table if we do not talk with them about the future if we do not talk about military and financial aid personal after shaking hands with such a genuine then who will rejoice, they will rejoice in the kremlin. well, agree, they will say, you see, they started some conversations there, some quarrels started, and we should not even give them such an excuse, and everyone perfectly understands that we wanted more yesterday and that this is a fundamentally important issue, but at the same time

we understand the world, uh, we understand that our allies have their own opinions, they don't share us. since we are ready to raise the stakes, we have shown it, we are not afraid of anything , but some of our allies think that if ukraine is invited now, won't it be mean a direct path to a conflict with russia, including and maybe there is a lot of conflict there, as then interpol article 4 on immediate consultations in case of danger and even more so article five on the collective baron, it is not automatic, you know very well but nevertheless it is perceived as the basis of the entire western trans-atlantic security system to allow russia to somehow manipulate and increase the stakes russia can if you want my

opinion, it can raise the stakes and try to attack one of the nato countries to show that it is not working or together with us why not 100% can, especially putin in today's reality, when after the prigozhin putsch, many people understand that his situation is weaker than before, or are you there for the internal russian situation ? we will also look at the second part of the arguments in the near future. tomorrow's russia, where its leader is the head of its regime in a weaker institution , is this not a predictable situation anymore , is it worth maintaining a strong position, and not going

for escalation, which can be viewed in the kremlin as a provocation. and what to do with this in general because of russia, it is clear that it is not only about putin, nor about the russian elites, but also about russians. and what to do with the control system for strategic weapons, which putin has suspended for the time being, and there are many more questions that i can now continue through someone up to the press - the stoltenberg and nato conferences. of course , they will not do it, but it is very important to understand that our western allies want victory over this regime, but they see this victory as controlled, they do not want

escalation, they do not want the risks of capture nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction, they do not want the risks of military destabilization of the situation because it will also affect other markets, there are oil markets or metal markets, and for us this is a consideration during the time when we see the strikes of people and at night when we we see how we are losing the most valuable thing that we have, this is our people, this argumentation is on the one hand, eh, hmm, so rational. it is understandable, but emotionally, no. but nevertheless, we are going to nato, we are going to the eu, we understand that these are our allies, we have no others allies and we we must try to combine their arguments and our arguments, which are largely emotional, this is our task, so i believe that participation in this summit is an important decision, of course, for

volodymyr zelenskyi, and we will respect any of his decisions, he feels that this is in constant dialogue with the leaders of our allies but i believe that we should not allow russia or even china or anyone else to point fingers at us and say, well , you see, they, uh, deal with the fact that the west is increasing, but nevertheless, they already have internal problems and quarrels, that is, everything that serves the kremlin, definitely not in our favor, and we are responsible people and we understand it well, mr. pavlo, look. last year , the nato summit was also held in madrid, and it was so obvious that they talked about ukraine because the war had already lasted six months. well, a little less than six months, ah now it has been going on for a year and a half, there is some kind of change, this shift is inserted into the support of ukraine among the leaders

of the nato countries. well, there is already this, that we can see that they have already canceled the pdp for ukraine. obviously , i also suspect that there will be some surprises during these two days, which were talked about by, for example, the prime minister of estonia, what kind of person, the same president of lithuania, and they all somehow set us up for a settlement, that there would be something else. that is , this is a very important summit for us, in your opinion , he will enter into history just as historical for ukraine or fateful for us everyone is now a test, agree every nato summit or every diez is historical for us will it be fateful for me fateful right there is a uh decision a very simple decision that ukraine joins nato yes just as it was once accepted the decision that ukraine is going to the european union, but it is not the only one for us

, not a summit, just as there is a decision that we are going, one day there will be the start of official negotiations, then there will be membership, that is, there are milestones in our history too , they do not consist of only one of the two or three events eh i think we are always prone to white and black treason victory but relying on one summit eh usual important but nevertheless we have to achieve a result result for us it is our membership in the alliance as well as even being in the alliance, this does not mean that our security is automatically fully ensured and there is nothing more to do, the russian regime will continue to exist in one form or another. well, we are in the world , of course, somewhere inside. we hope not . but nevertheless, we assume that

the russian regime will and we will see this or that. we will need to continue to defend ourselves and be part of a common strategy to contain this regime, a common nato common is a village strategy , so again, historical or fateful let's leave it to the historians, they will write there interesting books eh maybe someone will read them ah now is the time to create history and not write history textbooks so i would really like it to become historical and fateful maybe someday you will write about it in your book ah i would really like to see it and now about the ukraine nato council , which will appear on wednesday at noon, at 1:00 p.m. i don't

remember exactly the work schedule, but at noon it will start its work in vilnius. ukraine , nato, which has existed until now and why. so, well somehow, many of our experts and non-experts just like to talk , they put their hopes on this very council, why is it important and who have special hopes. it is really a step forward. it is important for us , and the signal is important for putin. do you remember the year 1997, they are trying to make it worse then that it was not putin, but yeltsin , and they are giving russia a chance to receive the russia nato council, of course it is not working now , and how can it work in our country?

the mechanism, however, was created by this council against the background of the fact that the russian nato council is nowhere, she says that the attitude towards ukraine will never be secondary, that we are at the same table and no one like the hungarians will then try to manipulate it , delay something there or say we are not going to play, we are not playing poets it is very important for us that the council discusses serious issues, i.e. our security, our defense , the mother-in-law, the alliance, not the individual allies, namely the alliance , and what it does for ukraine. plan new line call it whatever you want and we need to understand and what to do for it discuss how we will implement it together

well, that is exactly what the council is for, to say that the council is somehow positive news so definitely is the council a substitute for what we need, well understood but nevertheless, we are gradually building the framework of our membership in nato and this is one of the elements that pleases us. good. it's a great pity to go to commercials but it will be short i ask you to stay in touch with us and we will meet with you and the audience already literally in a few minutes thoughts hello this is freedom morning informational project of radio

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created especially for our program, a report during the war, that's what we're watching now 1162 people, but this is only on this special channel, there are still people who watch the general e-e express channel. and here is the question that was asked: what will be promised in ukraine at the nato summit, and we asked this question and the answers: joining the alliance, long-term support, your option has already been given 199 people gave their answers to all of you. thank you, 20 people. 20% believe that they will promise to join nato. 76% will promise long-term support. and your option. four percent write your options in the comments and after after youtube publishes this program, you will be able to read them. this is how i return to the conversation with pavlo klimkin, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2014-2019, mr. paul

, look. during the past day, two editions of politiko and time magazine asked about what else they can offer us at the summit in nato, and one of the things they talked about was security guarantees, and if a politician writes about the fact that some countries, in particular the united states of america , are inclined to offer us security guarantees on like the israeli one. that is, we will support your army, we will expose you to intelligence data, we will give you various materials so that you yourself can resist any threat that you may face after the end of the russian war, the times wrote that there is there is another category of people who say within nato leaders who say that it is better to tell ukraine that in the event that there is a military threat against it, a military invasion, then nato countries

will either jointly or somehow separately provide it military support, that is, they will fight for it, we will not discuss these military issues with you right now, i would like to hear your opinion regarding the political aspect of these two decisions for us, which perhaps we can hear in vilnius, that is, for us, what it was more important, after all, in order to send such a message to russia that it will never come to us again in its life, in fact, the first does not exclude the second, and on the contrary, to give us the means to defend ourselves, this is one side, and it is very important to get a commitment about what it is will not be the subject of further negotiations, but let's