[000:00:00;00] how important is it on the way to full membership, but not how much it shortens this path reunification of ukraine and nato well, although we are of course still waiting for official confirmation that it really will be canceled, well, first of all , this discussion has been going on for a month and most of the allies understand very well that pdch is a tool of the 90s, it is structured, it is systemic, but it is bureaucratic, and it is applied to ukraine , which is in the process of the battle. we are fighting and applying the classic pdch. for us, it is simply devoid of meaning, even some rational sense. but it is clear that for us there must also be a vision and a simple plan, this does not

mean that we do not have to understand and what should we do . reach our membership of the hnat therefore i am absolutely sure that such a decision will be made or when it will be formally made today there next week next month it is absolutely indifferent it is absolutely logical but again our path will be shorter on the path will be political but on the path will not be easier in the sense that the requirements for us are smaller , this is what you need to understand very well, this applies to military requirements, but here we have already proven to ourselves nato and our ability and capacity, but this also applies to the country, it applies to stable democracy, the rule of law and this is what we also have to do and i think that in the end nato will rely heavily on the beginning of the negotiation process with the european union

on the first chapter, among which 100% will be the rule of law and others. the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019, in fact, with explanations of what to expect from the nato summit taking place in lithuania and what future awaits ukraine in this alliance, and ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyi will go to vilnius for the nato summit , at least he actually confirmed it having announced several bilateral meetings on the sidelines of the summit in vilnius, now this fragment is because bilateral meetings of various levels of european countries, america , canada, japan are planned in freedom, the priorities are absolutely obvious

it is an anti-aircraft defense for our cities, for all communities throughout the country, we are working on the creation of a full-fledged air shield, it is also a weapon for the front, there will be negotiations in vilnius, and in this regard it is very important to note that the ukrainian side has not yet directly confirmed or denied the participation of president zelenskyi, precisely those nato, however , the bloc's secretary general ian stoltenberg said that the ukrainian president will definitely join the inaugural meeting of the ukraine-nato council , which will be held tomorrow, meanwhile, in the evening, in particular, journalist-politician mr. leymer and writes leymer writes that backstage meetings are planned at the summit in vilnius and it is reported that us president joe biden is to meet with ukrainian president zelensky and turkish president erdoğan at the freedom summit. zelensky previously stated that he would go to the summit only if he knew for sure that he would receive an invitation to join ukraine and security guarantees and such tomorrow biden will meet with president zelensky this was reported by the assistant to the president of the united states for national security psallin this is

the most recent information that is available at the moment mykhailo podolyak, adviser to the head of the office of the president of ukraine mr. mykhailo, i congratulate you. thank you for taking the time, and despite the fact that today is only the first day, it will start and the final documents are not yet available, but perhaps you have some information more what are the feelings that ukraine will get in the end, based on the results of this summit, it will get practically everything that ukraine needs at the current stage . let's be aware of that and be pragmatic, taking into account the war you and i will not be made a member of nato tomorrow, respectively, but in the meantime, ukraine will still receive it , in my opinion, it will be a historical one. why ? because nato will finally become a subject organization . what is a subject organization ? to the pressure of, for example, the russian federation, which says that these countries cannot be members of nato. do we want to regulate the pace of accession of certain countries to nato? i think that too much will get rid of this first

and second nato finally well, let's say it officially admits that ukraine will be needed by the bloc but for this it is necessary ukraine won the war because it is a very important historical moment it must be legal after all well, i will say so conditionally , legally the necessity of winning the war was recorded because it is the winning of the war that will allow the military alliance the military alliance euro-atlantic it is right for the alliance to continue to build its strategy, the third component is definitely we will get a clear er, as it seems to me, a clear legal structure when, how will ukraine join nato, and here we are let's move away from this uh-uh, you know the glorious banter, now i'm saying pdch pdch it seems to me like this, you know, a-a little corridor in which you are kept so that you do not become a full-fledged member of nato, well , in order to be able to play with the terms of accession and so on and so forth similar, that is, they tell you, do you remember in 2008? yes, you can be included in the military alliance, but it can

be there in time, stretched for ten years, and so on, in order to get rid of this pdch, we will have to go through certain procedures at today's summit, i definitely think that relevant decisions of a legal nature and decisions of a practical nature will be made , that is, i am quite optimistic about that . because you know, the main thing in my opinion today is that the subjectivity of ukraine is not declining initial when it was clear that ukraine will definitely not go according to the scenario of the 14th year, it will not make any compromises, but in fact it will capitatively agree with the russian federation to give up its sovereignty and territory and so on. today this subjectivity remains high and definitely other countries consider it necessary to support this quality of ukraine and you see that 20, almost three countries already clearly say that we want ukraine to be a member of nato. i understand that there are more global countries

which look a little wider at the security contour, taking into account other challenges not only within nato and other challenges, i am talking about the united states in this case. but it seems to me that even in this direction there will be sufficiently effective bilateral agreements, mr. mykhailo, this it is also interesting because the publication bild writes that germany does not agree to this accelerated path of ukraine's accession to nato . how will kyiv cooperate with these countries in the future on this bilateral level ? it is necessary to work so that this accession to nato is at least as ukraine sees it, realistic we must work, talk constantly , talk, give your arguments, and publicly talk about our arguments and non-public we we will use this, you know, in relation to germany, you saw that the position of germany today and the position of germany at the same bucharest summit in 2008, where there were just

such assumed fatal errors that led to the tragedy today then in georgia in 2008 , uh, in the 14th ukraine in the 22nd in ukraine, germany's position is radically different, that is, germany today is aware that russia is not a partner, and germany's position is that nato must undergo certain real and political by the way, the au body that can analyze challenges, including modern ones big wars and the corresponding decisions to be made, and therefore the position of germany is radically different, and in addition, germany is gradually increasing military aid, you also understand that this was all unexpected, that is, germany practically never sent military troops to one or another country, especially if they are not related to nato as germany is not the biggest partner of ukraine, well, of course, we take into account britain , the united states, other countries there, northern europe, but germany is increasing and increasing these

military aid packages definitely let's do that until a certain moment, germany believed that there was already a certain right in europe, and germany was, let's say, an informal lobbyist, as they say in russia, and concerns about the western borders of the russian federation and germany are difficult to abandon that the concept that was characteristic of her foreign policy for 10 years, today it is all breaking down, but gradually and definitely it is very important here, precisely, in bilateral communication, not to insult our partners and to clearly explain the fundamental principles of how the security contour of europe should function, where ukraine will certainly be a key fundamental part, taking into account the borders between ukraine and the russian federation and that for nato on the european continent only one country is

extremely dangerous. the same time invests in instability in other countries in the same serbia, let 's remember the kosovo problems in that hungary invests in order for hungary to be, as the witch says, always against and so on and so on therefore, similar, that is, russia and ukraine in particular can restrain russia and as a member of nato with the corresponding functions and with them resources and such is on europe will be significantly lower than it was during the last decades ukraine with a huge experience of war as such with the ability, most importantly, the ability to level the dominant foreign policy pressures of the russian federation, but let's talk now, let's continue, i will only remind the viewers that now they

can simultaneously watch the broadcast live from lithuanians are starting to stay there, high-ranking officials have just arrived to take part in the nato summit, they boasted confirmation from the white house that president zelensky will meet with president biden on the sidelines of the summit , they will only talk about nato. is it possible that there are any other questions that are there the ukrainian president would like to discuss broader issues with his american colleague, certainly in addition to nato, but also the issue of speeding up the supply of weapons, because we can see what the counteroffensive is, let's put it this way on the pedals, what additional tools do we need, i.e., aviation components, a long-range missile, er, the second question, the third question is, after all, a question about the loss of the russian federation. come on, this is even a philosophical question, such a doctrinal question. the democratic world as a whole and what russia should look like after this defeat and why we should not be afraid of this and why in principle today putin does not control the russian federation is not a strong president

and so on and help to ukraine will allow speed up the finalization of the existence of russia as we see it today, and so on. it will be necessary to talk about separate issues - this is economic support for ukraine , not only regarding the restoration of infrastructure, which the russian federation continues to do, well , that is, to accumulate resources in order to beat in terms of critical infrastructure, but in principle, economic assistance to ukraine in order for it to become more professional. it will be necessary to have the competitive potential of ukraine. well, what should be done today? all the issues must be discussed separately. further , the issue of what kind of state framework the newest state does not exist should exist taking into account such a concept as justice, well, that is, the law enforcement system, the anti-corruption judicial system so on and so on, by the way, the president initiates a lot of changes in the boiling point

, for example, the relationship with the judges . hope with the president of the united states. by the way , i would like you and i to support the initiative of mr. biden . it is absolutely fantastic for us the initiative to transfer cluster munitions. let's say yes and effective influence on the first and second echelon of defense why , how can i talk about the need to support mr. biden because there are certain initiatives in the congress, you know, yes, regarding the ban on the transfer of cluster munitions to ukraine, and that is important to support the biden government so that after all we received these ammunitions. with whom else besides president biden ?

there will be many bilateral meetings and representatives of japan, canada, france, germany and so on, but it seems to me that let's do it anyway. you know our principle from a security point of view, we don't inform you that the president met , we talk about it, and until he has met, we haven't met we do not speak taking into account even such considerations, then one more question . they will also relate to the security of ukraine as a whole, whether ukraine is considering for itself at the moment its own decision on full membership. security alliances are possible with individual members of nato , the signing of individual security agreements. it is possible that there are also consultations in this direction , or some kind of vision of ukraine, how it could be absolutely. you are right. negotiations are underway regarding what were multilateral but within the framework of the multilateral package of security guarantees bilateral agreements with each country regarding the provision of additional weapons regarding the dedication of prioritizing the provision of these weapons regarding financial support again within the framework

of military programs first of all i emphasize once again when we speak about security guarantors, we are talking about the military component , about the fact that the military potential of ukraine , uh, that is, increased, and so on , taking into account what is happening along the line therefore, until ukraine becomes a member, the so-called bilateral security guarantees can work within the framework of the multilateral security circuit around this, we can receive , i emphasize once again, an accelerated, prioritized supply of equipment and tools for the corresponding stage of hostilities. well , mikhail, one more question. i think you can also comment on it. ukraine, in the absence or postponement of the decision on the invitation to nato membership , will have to revise its strategy precisely for this freedom of security with an emphasis actually on these bilateral guarantees, that is, the deputy prime minister of ukraine stated this, that is, as i understand it, it is about what i asked you before that ukraine will additionally work with each member of nato there or with each state which he considers an ally, which of the bilateral

moments of cooperation in the context of security, yes , this is exactly how it is being worked out today, let's approach what is happening in vilnius , definitely. the entity itself is nato , which will look strategic in a different way, but at the same time, you and i pragmatically understand that during the war it is absolutely impossible to make ukraine a member of nato, well , it is practically impossible, well, legally, they are unlikely to vote, but meanwhile, on the one hand , we need to show that ukraine is will go quickly to nato and immediately after the war will be a member of nato so that all these security agreements are implemented precisely in the collective version , but until the moment ukraine is a member of nato , bilateral agreements on prioritization i say once again the supply of weapons, it should be literally as quickly as possible, but the second component is that there are no restrictions on the types of weapons, yes, that is, the nato standard should be in full force in ukraine today, this is no longer discussed, you remember

before the war they said, well ukraine is after, of course, it does not know how to use nadi weapons, of course there are appropriate restrictions on the transfer of one or another type of weapon. today, all these restrictions have been removed, and of course ukraine uses all of it like this for example, it will be possible to receive additional volumes of equipment through bilateral agreements . in conclusion, briefly, if not 2023 is not quite here, and how high is the chance that ukraine will receive an official invitation to the washington summit next summer , one hundred percent. by this time, russia will finally lose its subjectivity . well, a country that can wage war will cease to exist.

the winning country is accordingly a key member of nato , taking into account the experience of taking into account the size of the army that will be in ukraine. the advantage of nato was and is the principle of collective security or the well-known fifth article, it guarantees that an attack on anyone and members of the options will be considered an attack on all how does it work in practice and where the forces of the alliance have already managed to show themselves, let's look at the materials of my colleagues, it is nato in lithuania that should put all the dots on the issue of ukraine's joining the military alliance, at least that's how it looked before, now the door to nato is open for ukraine, although the official kyiv is open and it will remain so for now on the threshold say experts and world leaders , the invitation to become a part of collective security will not sound. this is how it is explained in the united states . as you know, the united states strongly supports the open door policy

is that ukraine and nato can decide together on its path to membership and vilnius will be an important point on that path because the united states or nato allies and ukraine will have the opportunity to discuss reforms that are still necessary for ukraine to come closer to nato standards. member states of the military-political union of nato, since its founding in april 1949 , has been constantly growing. at first there were 12 countries, and now there are 31 of them. the biggest advantage of nato , experts emphasize, is the principle of collective in plain language, this is when an attack on any of the member states of the alliance is considered as an attack on all of them, the principle of collective defense is enshrined in the fifth article of the north atlantic treaty and is provided by the permanent forces of nato on combat duty - this is exactly the baseball bat which is created for protection not for attack and which protects the freedom and democracy of each member and when it is simply clear that there are threats that exist in the world from russia

, potentially from china, from other major powers, let's say, by stockpiles of weapons, forces of aggression it is of course that by uniting and giving advice to whom it is much easier and much more convenient, due to many reasons , to guarantee the protection of this freedom or to apply these measures . to delve into history , the first serious test for the alliance was the war in its slavia, in addition, nato conducted counter-terrorism operations after the events in the usa in september 2001. and the most famous the mission is the war in afghanistan, for this they even formed a special international security assistance force, russia's large-scale aggression could also be marked by direct participation in

nato after a missile fell in poland near the border with ukraine in november of last year, resulting in the death of two people , but then nato diplomats said that the alliance will act cautiously and needs time to verify exactly how the incident happened. now , says ex-deputy of ukraine oksana yurynets, not only ukraine needs nato, but nato itself it is important for ukraine to be a member of it, we understand that the alliance is not only the army, because our army is 200% ready to be polite to nato. for the reason that technology is transferred to ukraine , this transfer of technology that we received now, and this, accordingly, modern weapons, is what the alliance will never let go but we also want something else ukraine is ready today to become a full member according to the standards for the harmonization of all requirements and standards of nato on september 30, 2022, ukraine submitted an application to

join nato in an accelerated manner as according to the survey of the commission , 89% of ukrainians want ukraine to join nato. today, tomorrow, and after hmm, doesn't it look like it is now, so that vilnius itself can become like that, you know, another bucharest , when they said that ukraine and georgia will become nato members there, but some specifics there was no full-fledged one then. now everything looks more optimistic, but still, it looks more optimistic, although it is possible to say that there will be some interruptions. well, probably on this point, most experts, including myself, agree that there are some serious signals specifically about ukraine's membership in nato. well, we do not expect, but taking into account the fact that in general the situation has now gone a little not according to the scenario that at least our western european

american colleagues expected, it is possible that ukraine is fighting a really bigger diplomatic battle than it was before, because even yesterday, to be more precise the day before yesterday, the main positive expectation from that was the announcement of what could be the main opportunity. let's say it's positive for ukraine, the photo of the announcement of the suspension of the movement due to the action plan regarding nato membership. yesterday , we saw the statement of the ukrainian minister of foreign affairs, which actually you sent er-e even an official confirmation of this and now it turns out that the next signal, which actually should become a news surprise based on the results of the meetings of the state and governments, but it should be different not only about only about the creation of the ukraine-nato council, therefore there are grounds for certain certain positive expectations, but

we really have to wait for the invitation itself to be announced. to which he refers, but many people have such a concept that ukraine will become a member of nato when the conditions will allow it . well, this is also a very conditional concept , if you look at it objectively, under what conditions can ukraine be 100% guaranteed by nato membership, only the end of the war in the role of the winner . is this a complete transition to nato standards in terms of the military sphere? demands too much, under what conditions do you know countries such as germany, they will not agree to the formation of the fact that as soon as

the war ends, ukraine will automatically join nato according to the fast or even the classic procedure, but without the pdc currently because the argument of reforms is actually more political than even the very fact of military actions on the territory of our state now why because reform can always be capable homework can always not be completed 100%. now this argument is less important and the majority of us understand that the decision to join ukraine to nato is first a signal and then the start of negotiations on accession, the start of ratification of charters, it will be absolutely political, that is, it will not be about reforms, as, for example, we have the opposite the situation with the european union now, because we were given a political signal, but then the classic european bureaucracy is from the ukrainian point of view. it seems to me that it is not worth insisting that the wording about the end of the war be included in the final document. i

will explain why. because in the west there is still there are few supporters to offer ukraine to join nato under the conditions of the occupied territory reaching a political agreement with russia on a conditional illusory ceasefire and the de facto freezing of the demarcation line, and if the ukrainian side will have with the liberation of its territories, then just in case, here is this argument that ukraine cannot become a member of nato until the end of the conflict, and after the end, they say , it will automatically become a member, well, this argument can work against us, so i would be against exactly such references until the self-completion of the conflict, these high expectations at the price of kyiv before the summit were justified, or were they justified by the expert environment 's lack of understanding that there would be no invitation to membership

? guarantees of assistance in terms of permanent military support, well, if expert and er expert diplomacy and official ukrainian diplomacy did not fight for ambitious goals, then there would not even be a refusal of the alliance member countries to submit for ukraine, so we need to demand more, this is how the logic of political negotiations always works, because these are negotiations not of technocrats , not of bureaucrats, this is a political issue itself, and it is connected with the fact that key ukrainian allies in the west, some of them, in particular , the united states, do not have a final solution what to do with russia after the conflict and how to conduct negotiations with it if they have to be conducted and nato is a very serious topic in all future negotiations, the future of nato, the future of ukraine in nato, that is, there are certain purely rational diplomatic calculations and the topic is very politicized, therefore, accordingly, expectations and attempts to

set the bar as high as possible, which means to receive an invitation to begin the accession process or some more or less clear conditions not only about the end of the war regarding the start of these negotiations, well, it was not just ambitious, it was absolutely a diplomatically justified calculation from the ukrainian side, and that is why i think the result will be better than even the nato member states themselves could expect from themselves , uh, regarding decisions on ukraine. the united states calls germany one of the most fluid countries of the alliance, and a lot depends on their word if , for example, the united states insisted on an accelerated procedure for ukraine to become a member of nato and the position of germany was the same, this would mean that ukraine would really have every chance to become a full member of the alliance as soon as possible.

absolutely exactly, and what's more, now it's not about the fact that at this summit the start of ukraine's accession to nato is announced, it's very important. that is, we expect confirmation that ukraine is the way to start under certain conditions, preferably under an accelerated procedure, but without pdc. in principle, this is already a serious acceleration for nato , the position of president biden, in particular, is key here, and the fact that now it is not the technocratic level, not the level of diplomats and ministers , who will discuss the texts of the final declaration, it is the leaders who are actually enough encouraging because there will be a lively political discussion and i hope that president zelensky's persuasiveness in eastern europe will be enough to change the position of our american partners. thank you for such an expert analysis . about the understanding of what will actually happen at this summit and

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