[000:00:00;00] which is all on this site. at this point, i say goodbye to you until the next program. i wish you good health. take care of yourself and your loved ones. goodbye from london on the air from ukraine. i'm yevgenia shadlovskaya and today we'll figure out what the decision means. right here, nato in relation to ukraine without pdch, but under the conditions that the leaders of the nato countries gathered for a two-day summit in vilnius , president zelensky came there, and he demanded from the alliance the specifics of specific time frames for the accession of ukraine, but at the moment, specific

terms have not been named in vilnius, so whether it will become ukraine's path to nato is shorter and easier. what does ukraine want from the cement in vilnius to get clarity about the future membership in nato, what nato offers, according to the results of the first day of the meeting of the leaders of the countries, the leaders of the alliance countries confirmed that ukraine can become a member of nato without a joint venture without an action plan regarding the membership of the nato secretary general and antonberg called it a big step forward, but the key thing is that ukraine will be invited to join nato when the allies agree and the conditions will be fulfilled, which conditions the head of the alliance did not specify what these mean we will talk about the wording a little later, and now about expectations from the nato summit in vilnius, bbc correspondent james slandale, the prime minister of britain and other leaders of nato countries who have gathered here have the goal of demonstrating unity and determination to convince russia that they will support ukraine as long as necessary, so here there will be promises that there will be more

weapons and ammunition, security guarantees for the future, but so far there will be no invitation to join the alliance . concerns both the future membership of ukraine and the most important task of military support namely and presents weapons to the alliance, our values ​​are what the alliance believes in, our defense is exactly that element of the european formula, but us president biden and some other allies do not want to move too quickly, fearing that the promise of an almost automatic ukraine's accession may be threatened by a war between russia and nato. we agree with the wording you propose regarding ukraine's future accession to nato. here we are talking about nato's promise to

ukraine that it will be able to join shortened application procedure, but only when he fulfills the necessary conditions in this regard. zelenskyi expressed himself emotionally on the way to the summit, he wrote on twitter that this is unprecedented. but it is absurd when there is no time frame for the prime minister of great britain, then he wants nato countries to spend more on defense so that they can defend themselves in the coming decades from a distance the alliance is our priority so that we can face the threats of the future and adequately defend ourselves and continue to support ukraine in the fight against russian aggression is good news for nato itself turkish president erdoğan finally stopped objecting to sweden joining the alliance, this could be a potential dispute that would disrupt the summit these are the photos they call family and which all families sometimes have disagreements but the leaders know that their unity can be a weapon of war, a war

that continues day and night, regardless of diplomacy, depending on the summits" so zhanna ukraine will not receive a formal invitation to it is possible to join nato without a military alliance, but under certain conditions, under what conditions, yes, yes, actually , in the final communique, which we received today, it is not about any specific conditions , and no matter how strange it may sound, this is a plus for ukraine. why, because what if nato has defined some very, very specific conditions, let's say the achievement of stable peace in ukraine , so that ukraine can join the alliance, russia can be omitted, it has done everything possible, it is impossible for ukraine to never be able to fulfill these conditions , we are talking about special security conditions, but in fact there is a certain meaning quite specifically

the content is in these conditions, the first is the fight against corruption, this is such a general requirement for ukraine, it is absolutely identical to the main requirement for ukraine of the european union and there is nothing fundamentally new here, the second requirement is the reform of the defense and security sector in general, it is worth admitting that if ukraine today received an official political invitation to nato. this would be a very good incentive to implement such reforms simply during the war. at the moment, ukraine will not have such an incentive for now, at least until the next nato summit in a year. but reforms are expected from her and e the third condition is the actual end of the war and here is the most important and the most essential what exactly can be considered the end of the war and in fact in his twitter statement today zelensky drew attention to the fact that there is no time frame the end of the war can be considered hypothetically and

the end shelling, but a lower one will not prevent russia from time to time shelling , say, the border territories in ukraine, so that the war formally and in reality never ends. the recapture of all territories up to the borders of 1991 is all an invariant of this very end of the war or simply the fall of putin's regime, and again the fact that there are no specifics in this matter at the moment is a plus for ukraine in the sense that later it will be possible to agree on what can be considered fulfilled the security condition for the entry of the alliance is not yet another solution to this, that is the creation of the ukraine nato council, what kind of format is it, how does it differ from the commission that used to be, according to the words of the ex-minister

of foreign affairs of lithuania, a country that supports ukraine in all possible ways. and in general, it is the impression that nowadays the summit is held not only with the participation of ukraine, but also with the participation of ukraine , and the ex-minister of foreign affairs of this country , lina slinkevich, said that these are rather cosmetic changes, that is, it must be practical meaning so this is a plus for ukraine, the essence of this mechanism is that from now on , ukraine will be able to call a meeting of this council on equal terms with its allies for consultations in crisis conditions and to coordinate actions, for example, let's say in in the event of an escalation of the situation in the armed forces, if you talk about the fact that

the risk of a provocation by russia is increasing, then ukraine will be able to initiate the convening of such a wound itself. of this mechanism, but in the end, such a mechanism existed in the cooperation of nato and russia until january 2022. that is, it is good, but it is not enough for ukraine, and in general, what else is worth saying that what we are talking about now, these conditions, this approach that nato professes so far leads to ukraine in the direction of the israeli model of security, i.e. maximum self-sufficiency, and therefore, in essence, this is about a certain delayed decision regarding ukraine's membership in nato, and therefore , hm, the emphasis is shifting to the security guarantee for ukraine from specific countries, and zhanna , you already mentioned lithuania, which takes it soberly supports ukraine's accession to nato, and there is only one detail that

these shuttles run through vilnius with the inscription while you are waiting for this bus, ukraine is waiting for its accession to nato, and here we have about a minute, how much more ukraine waiting for the accession to nato according to the results of this first day is even more important, and this is an extremely important question to which there is no answer , that is, according to the results of the first day, and in general , we can already speak based on the preliminary results , but in general, and we understand that there really is no time frame as zelenskyi said about it, and today and uh, the factor of uncertainty remains very, very large, accordingly, so that ukraine can somehow reduce this uncertainty for itself, stand up in this war and win, and maximum attention from now on should be attached to security guarantees, but they are provided not so much as an organization, but by specific member states, it is about the fact that such guarantees can be obtained from great britain, from

the united states, from details from france, which is very, very important, france is ready to join this, and accordingly, there is the security of france that is needed here and now in ukraine and those that will be in the future thank you zhanna zhanna bezpechuk, however, how is the vilnius nato summit going, the results of its first day, as we have seen, joining nato can be quick, she there are already 31 countries so neutral finland became a new member of the alliance in april neutral sweden is at the final stage of accession and this expansion took place as a result of russian aggression against ukraine whether accelerated accession is possible for ukraine here is what former nato official stephanie babstv said about this on the bbc earlier it is good news that president erdoğan has withdrawn his reservation against the admission of sweden to nato, now we have to wait when hungary will also join this but in general this is really good news

because with sweden we will have among our allies of a very ineffective and democratic solid new member and the main problem. as they say, the elephant in the room is of course ukraine and also the relations that the allies would like to have with russia . it is very important to send russia not a vague but a clear strategic signal and talk about our own red lines and not just look all the time at potential russian red lines, in my opinion ukraine's admission to nato these medium-term and long-term prospects would definitely restrain the extensionist ones, but i am afraid that there is no consensus at the negotiating table. therefore, it is obvious that we will have a more or less restrained formulation regarding ukraine, which

concerns the very distant future, and on the first day of the tonatu, all new promises of arms for ukraine were made, france will provide long-range missile germany announced a new package of military aid for ukraine during the war , whose support will be important open too much and this is emphasized by the bbc columnist gorod korera the training of the ukrainian military in the city, which we were asked not to disclose, soon these fighters, part of the artillery battalion, will go to the front line, they will go to the war, the end of which is not in sight. to this nato summit to continue fighting with the russians, these are weapons and ammunition. yes, of course , it is no secret that the amount of ammunition used daily by

the enemy is at least five times more than we use, there are cases such that we are forced to economize and do not respond to intensive battles on the front lines ukraine depends on western weapons, which sometimes, as they say here , arrive slowly ukraine hopes and expects that even more weapons will be announced at the nato summit, but the main question is whether there will be a clear path to nato membership for the members of the alliance. one is considered an attack on all ukraine, as noted in april by its president, says it wants nato to protect itself, this will not happen in the conditions of an ongoing war, but ukraine wants more than just promises in president zelenskyi's office, i spoke with one

of his closest advisers to hear what here they definitely want nato to say that nato should definitely say that there are no more preconditions for membership ukraine will be a member of nato after the war a schedule will be announced and we will agree on the number of weapons that ukraine needs - says mykhailo podolyak, the nato alliance was created during the cold war to oppose moscow, but now ukraine is at war with russia and wants to know what kind of support it will receive and for how long, what can ukraine become a nato member without a military alliance, these are the results of the nato summit, this is the end of our release read more about the nato summit

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my greetings you are watching svoboda life my name is daria kudimova and more about the main thing as of the evening of tuesday, july 11 well, focus on this day, of course, without exaggeration, the historic nato summit, which ukraine hopes for i was hoping to hear specifics regarding membership and security guarantees. so the first day of the meeting of the leaders of the alliance is coming to an end in vilnius. volodymyr zelenskyi already participated in the summit there. that the formulation of the terms of the invitation to the alliance will be discussed at the nato summit in vilnius without ukraine is unprecedented and absurd, zelensky said what this means but will the second day of the summit be fateful for ukraine, svoboda analyzes

life well, in a moment, we will turn on our correspondent from the fields, nato . well, just now, with the latest data , we need an international columnist. my colleague rostislav khotyn, he is in vilnius now. rostislav, can you hear me? good evening, i hear you. good evening, so please tell us. please, because yesterday there were such high spirits on the eve of the day itself, are the same high spirits today , especially after the press conference from toltonberg , it is not as good as we would like in ukraine, but everything is not as bad as she thinks, that is all somewhere, such a compromise option in the middle of the sensation did not happen, they thought it happened as expected, i will remind you that what is happening now , the leaders of 30 nato countries have just approved the collective agreement as the final comedians of the vilnius summit, and

the press conference of the nato secretary general and jens stoltenberg has just recently ended, so how did this drama develop on the way to vilnius, the president of ukraine , volodymyr zelenskyi, released a telegram to the post in the telegram and made a tweet in english to the whole world, saying that they already understand that there will be no invitation to ukraine. there is freedom to join nato. he said that it is absurdly absurd that there will be no time schedule. it is unprecedented. and it is absurd that the time frame will not be announced. neither for the invitation nor for ukraine's membership in nato , volodymyr zelensky wrote so, that is, he the stakes really aggravated the situation. so now i'm going there and we'll figure it out, so nothing about ukraine. without ukraine, he added and said that this situation, if this is the situation, then this is a sign for russia that it can continue to continue the terror against ukraine, that is, to wage this aggressive war against ukraine, he emphasized exactly how this will be

important for the war and for the policy of russia's position regarding the ukrainian war. about the fact that its membership in the future depends on ukraine's membership in nato, let's listen to jens stolberg. we agreed on a very powerful package with many elements that bring ukraine closer to nato and also help to bring ukraine closer to membership, and this is very practical assistance for operational interoperability, for example, for defense sector reforms, and these are really very important conditions for membership, this is a practical step for ukraine to move closer to nato in the pantry of the final declaration, there are several points. it is clear about ukraine, but the main one is the most important one

point 11 is of great importance, so i will quote literally a few phrases, we fully support the right of ukraine to choose options for its security , the future of ukraine in nato, and further at the end of this point 11, we will be able to issue an invitation for ukraine to join the alliance when the allies are ready and when the conditions are fulfilled, this is 11, this is the main point, jenston now explained that it is very important because it is such a united message for ukraine to go to nato and move on , don't stop, that everything will be fine in the future, well and now, until the war, one condition is that while there is a war, nato is not ready for that. the second condition is that you still have to do your homework, and in terms of reforms, the table now also talked about the fight against corruption and

the shape of the power sector and the armed forces that's it but he said that the armed forces of the armed forces of ukraine are bravely skillfully and competently defending ukraine, and that time will make ukraine an ally in the future, that it is bringing ukraine closer to becoming a nato ally for other countries . also, the table in front of the table said that the key at that moment in bukharet was right here in 2008 15 years ago, about the fact that ukraine will first join, it happens to fulfill the pdc membership action plan and then talk about the membership of the pdc being canceled 113 clearly announced in the committee - this is also the word before said that now instead of two steps to the member sonata ukraine must take one step, that is, not two, but one, and it is very important, let's listen to jens stoparga, what we said in the communique that ukraine should no longer carry out the nuclear war because ukraine is now much closer to nato and the country has demonstrated its power capabilities and more

is now integrated with nato, and this is just the fact that now so much weapons and military equipment have been provided to ukraine, we are also training e-e pilots for the f-16, this will add even more to this important system of operational interoperability, which is very important for nato, and this brings ukraine closer and closer to nato and also to membership in nato, and this is also reflected in the fact that nato is now much closer to ukraine, that is, instead of two barriers on the way to membership, now before in ukraine, there is only one barrier, namely the membership itself and the negotiations on the membership without a joint venture

. first, it is possible. the second point is also important that the commission will be created. the participation of president zelenskyi and all leaders will be its first inaugural meeting, why is it important and because now ukraine's status is equal to that of other nato members in this council . that is, it is no less a partner, but an equal partner of nato. secondly, ukraine can convene this council itself when i will, for example, feel threatened. is there some kind of critical critical situation? if there is any threat to ukraine, that is why ukraine can initiate this nato council. well, it is very prestigious to have a council instead of a commission ukraine nato is also clear that nato will provide security guarantees of some kind and will also supply weapons and 500 million euros will be given annually to help ukraine with weapons . the words of stoppinga literally said that the allies were obliged to allocate 2% of gdp for defense, and this is not just some kind of ceiling. and this minimum of two plus

to allocate in the future, now only 11 countries fulfill this requirement from the 31st as well in nato adopted defense plans uh for especially for the eastern flank uh 300,000 soldiers will be ready to be located in the hot spots if there is some uh trouble in the east and some kind of crisis on the territory of nato nato is reviewing this wartime concept if before when by the way, the war in donbas began, nato wanted to say so, if russia attacks someone, for example, a baltic state, then first nato retreats, so to speak, and then the territory is already vacated after russia's full-fledged aggression against ukraine, nato reviewed it, there is no retreat, immediately enters the battle, or 300,000 soldiers are transferred quickly to the countries and nato members in the east. they looked at what russia is doing in mariupol, what russia is doing in bakhmut, what russia is doing in other cities of ukraine that are being destroyed, so

there is a desire to the fate of tallinn, riga, vilnius and gdańsk was not repeated, as russia is doing in ukraine by destroying cities and people. so, it is also the war in ukraine that affects it . well, there is also a new point there about china. by the way , it is very interesting who said that -e of china nato has already fallen into a quagmire there with regard to its er attempts to destroy international security. and also the fact that she noticed that china refused to condemn the russian war against ukraine . that is, this is a quote from that, so it is interesting that nato is already looking at asia as well. dasha rostislava but she wanted to clarify, what other moment did you mention about volodymyr's stormy post, now his press secretary nikiforov reports that volodymyr zelenskyi will not participate in the summit today. i understand that it is about the dinner that was supposed to take place today

the reaction of western journalists , perhaps officials whom you have heard about this post by zelenskyi, what was it? what was the reaction of journalists ? understanding that ukraine is a maximalist, that ukraine approaches from maximalist positions, that zelenskyi has raised the stakes very much with his world and the addition of the theorem, so to speak , raised the stakes. snoring like that, well, healthy, so to speak, normal, like that, ukraine is fine, and it is very good for kyiv, that is, that the bar is not lowered, that the ambitions are very serious , that nato membership is very, very serious, it is not just that, and that there are no 15 there or 20 years there or already now, 15 years have passed since bucharest, no one will wait that long, ukraine is pushing forward, so to speak, because the war is because ukraine shows that it is fighting for independence and defends these same values. nato actually protects europe and the transatlantic

space from russian aggression. the forces of ukraine are undergoing such a test of strength, the most experienced armed forces of ukraine among other nato countries. by the way, in principle, ukraine understood that zelensky is raising the stakes and that this is maximalist. well, kyiv said that yes, we have to make reforms, but uh, nato should also reform its attitude towards russia, it's enough to look back at moscow, it's enough to look back at russia, the membership of finland showed that more than 1,300 km a common border appeared suddenly and russia