[000:00:00;00] is it there or 20 years there or already now after bucharest, 15 years have passed, no one will wait that long ukraine is pushing, so to speak , because the war is because ukraine shows that it is fighting for independence and defends these same values ​​nato actually protects europe and the trans-atlantic space from russian aggression, the armed forces of ukraine are undergoing such a test of strength, the most experienced armed forces of ukraine among other nato countries. that it is maximalist and that it is normal and just more claims to nato why is nato so a little bit unambitious, well, kyiv said that yes, we have to make reforms, but uh, nato should also reform its attitude towards russia, it is enough to look back at moscow, enough to look back at russia , the membership of the seventh finland showed that more than 1300 km of common border suddenly appeared and russia did not react in any way

, scared, scared and nothing, so ukraine also thinks that it can follow the path of finland, sweden, join nato, sweden already soon it will be without the pdc, so to speak, and uh, and russia will not be able to do anything serious, even if they heard rostislav. thank you very much, rostislav hide in the international audience of radio svoboda, he was in direct contact with us, and we ourselves are in vilnius, and we hope to hear tomorrow even more news, thank you. well, just now, oleksiy danilov, secretary of the national security and defense council of ukraine, is joining our broadcast , mr. oleksiy, greetings. good evening. what are your impressions of the stoltenberg press conference and the fact that all of our society, this is respect for our society, this is the understanding that we will have to cooperate with us and we will definitely be members

of the alliance. i want to say that on february 24 , 2022, none of the countries of the alliance had any idea that in 500 days they would be to have such a meeting of freedom and precisely the fact that ukraine's accession to the alliance will be discussed, everyone believed that we do not have the capacity, that we do not meet certain factors, not that nato did not give us any chance, that we could become an aggressor from russia the entire federation our people, the armed forces, the president of our country, the military and political leadership of our country have proven that we are worthy of being members of the alliance, and our struggle against the russian aggressor has reached the point that today vilnius is considering a completely different issue, not the one you remember in the 13th year, in the 13th year, it so

happened that i was a direct participant in the events that took place in vilnius as a proxy there. we heard, we will hear again tomorrow, because it will be an important day for our history. of course, we would like to, as they say, from the first time, right away. but we have in mind that the option is already included in 32 countries and each country must agree to become a member - this is our option in the alliance, this is a difficult process but i am more than sure that we will overcome this and this path, especially since it has already become as your colleague said, it is not a two-way, but a one-way, we now have to do a lot of homework on the complete transition to the standard alya, but i am no longer sure that

in the near future we will do this all together together all our community these citizens so that we the number 33 will be engraved let's say so with these letters after numbers after us after our country and our country will be a 31 member of the alliance a small clarification 32 will be when sweden becomes a full member of the alliance, but it seems that this issue has already been resolved , well, at least at the political level, you asked about the fact that this summit testified that ukraine is treated differently now, but here is the post of mr. zelenskyi on the way to vilnius and in fact, his refusal to participate in official events this evening shows that after all kyiv's expectations were even greater. do you share the indignation of volodymyr zelenskyi, which he expressed on his twitter in a telegram about the fact that there is a conversation about ukraine without ukraine? well, first of all without our country no one will and cannot decide anything, even if there is some kind

of consultation. believe me, without us, no decision can be made on any santa after we have proven our ability to be a country already no one will, but what about the phrases you use regarding volodymyr oleksandrovich's post well, i'm more tolerant, despite the fact that i 'm quite such a restless person in these cases, i'm more calm about it, in principle, i know for sure that volodymyr oleksandrovich is the president our country will defend the interests of our country. and everything that concerns our interests, volodymyr sanych is doing everything right, but tomorrow will be another day, we will see what will be the final decision made, which will be recorded in the relevant documents where the corresponding signatures of all the members of the heads of delegations must be there, after that we will call to have conversations, what about the rest, what will be the final conclusion? well, i am no longer sure that even today we can say

that these are historical events, historical actions and the flag that we see now in bakhmut, which has been raised in vilnius, there will definitely be the 33rd flag, which will be raised in the appropriate place where our city and our flag, mr. oleksiy, you mentioned that we will see. those that were announced today , or at least those that will surprise us, i wouldn't use the phrase cardinal here more . the first step and it happened as it happened in sweden and in finland well, but we mean that today we have a not easy war, a complex war with complex aggressors who attacked our land

and precisely their own by our behavior and actions by our actions, we proved that we are worthy of being members of the alliance - moreover, we will definitely add great goodwill to the alliance, because i don't think that there is such an army in the world as our armed forces, which can in the conditions in which this is how to defend our land. believe me, as a responsible country, we will also defend any ukrainian-alliance if necessary, using the fifth article, but we are not the ones who will be sitting there watching how it will all end. we are definitely a nation of winners and a nation to scare to the edge in difficult situations, we will support any nato member partner , mr. oleksiy. what do you attribute to the determination of the united states and germany, well, because we have repeatedly spoken and written about the fact that the united states and germany are not ready for

such a final communique as expected ukraine, which was supported in particular by the baltic states and the countries of eastern europe, is a problem, it is an old problem, it is a problem of wrong decisions of the west, but in the early 90s of the last century , when the decision was made to transfer the nuclear weapons of the entire arsenal, which was on the territory of our country of kazakhstan, partly of belarus to the russian federation. and in that there is a certain explanation, i can say that , unfortunately, until now, the textbooks that are studied in western universities , stanford, oxford, velia and others, they are written by russians, and this is a big problem for us, this problem we will have to solve it there in these textbooks, they wrote in their time as they considered it necessary, therefore , of course, as always, they lied about us, that we

are not a nation, we are not a separate people, this is us supposedly an addendum to russia and not only us, we were talking about belarus and many other countries . well, it just so happened that we had the decision that was wrong . so, to date, it is nuclear weapons, i am more than sure that these are. to decide in the process so that the countries that you named and other countries stop being afraid of russia, there is no russia, and we proved it by our actions, our armed forces had to, our society proved that we are not going to be afraid of the russian federation, we will definitely win the issue just a moment ago, you mentioned that the remaining homework in ukraine should be in the context of reforms, which political reforms should ukraine complete at the moment, so that we can say that this factor is no longer important. nato is not only a military

alliance, it is also about democracy. this is also about human rights, about freedom of speech and about many factors that should be in democratic countries , first of all, we need to do a lot in this area. we can definitely say today that our army already meets nato standards and our actions of our army meets nato standards, there is no question of anyone who does not have a transition to technical weapons according to nato standards. there are more and more such units , and this is what we will say. we will define the question precisely in the near future

. constitution, i think that the issue of the doctrine, which today will be actively considered at all levels of our country, will give an answer to the question that you asked me today , you mentioned that nato is not only a political transfer first of all, the alliance. well, it is a political event, first of all, yes, and actually , does it affect what is happening on the front just now, because there are also hellish battles going on in different areas of the front , and how does nato itself affect what is happening today takes place on the front of the russian-ukrainian war, of course, it is reflected in all areas of the front in our whiskey, our military, they are knowledgeable, they have information, they understand how important it is to be members of the alliance, even when using weapons , ukrainian members of the alliance understand, uh, how it

works compared to that the soviet weapons that remained with us after the soviet union, they understand what we are talking about, what concerns the situation at the front , i emphasize once again, i am more than sure that our military is monitoring all this, of course they, as well as we, would like the membership of the alliance to be established in some way more quickly, but life is a little different . so, i emphasize once again, i am no longer sure that all these guys of ours, who we are now seeing with you on the screens, definitely meet all the standards nato well, they proved it many times. thank you, oleksiy, for joining the broadcast. oleksiy danilov, the secretary of the national security department of defense of ukraine, was

in direct contact with us. thank you. how things changed during the years of ukraine's independence, recalls roksolana bychai. three years after the collapse of the soviet union and gaining independence, ukraine was the first among the former soviet states to conclude an agreement with nato within the framework of the partnership for peace initiative. further cooperation developed already in 2004. ukraine decided to abandon non-alignment and for the first time to officially announce the intention to join the alliance, because the provisions on further euro-atlantic integration and joining nato were included in the military doctrine, but already for several months, president leonid kuchma, who was experiencing the times of the so-called tape scandal and was in international isolation, canceled such a goal as joining nato the following year, when viktor yushchenko was elected president, he returned the intention to join nato to the military doctrine, and for the next few years the ukrainian authorities tried to get an action plan regarding membership in the alliance , in particular, during the nato summit in bucharest

in 2008, another attempt by ukraine to obtain an action plan regarding membership was rejected according to the media france and germany thought it was better not to provoke russia by accepting ukraine into the alliance, and the formal reason for the refusal was the political instability in ukraine, but later viktor yanukovych was elected as president , he stopped any actions in this direction , in particular, because of the refusal to lead ukraine towards the eu , and then the ukrainians went to the maidan and defended the right on european development already in 2014, after the change of power, the new president petro poroshenko canceled the non-aligned status for the second time in the history of ukraine, then the intention to 2020 appeared in the military doctrine to organize the ukrainian army according to the standards of the alliance with the coming to power of volodymyr zelenskyi, ukraine returned to the need to obtain an action plan for joining nato, which they had already tried to obtain during yushchenko's time, in 2021 at the nato summit in brussels

, the leaders of the alliance confirmed their commitment to the idea of ​​the 2008 bucharest summit that ukraine would become a member of the alliance and russia will not be able to veto its entry at the beginning of a full-scale war ukraine's aspirations to join nato have strengthened volodymyr zelenskyi called for the event to accept ukraine into the by an accelerated procedure in september 2022, the ukrainian authorities signed an application for accelerated accession to the alliance and then signed declarations with 20 member countries of the organization that support ukraine's membership , and although 23 are the majority, there are still countries that have not yet provided official support to ukraine in this matter. and further to the specific results that we received, which ukraine received on the sidelines of the first day of the summit , a coalition of 11 countries will begin training ukrainian pilots for the f16 at the end of the summer

. he made this statement while performing his duties in the data of the minister of defense pulson refers in particular to denmark, the netherlands, belgium, canada, luxembourg, norway, poland, portugal, romania, sweden and great britain , this will take place outside of ukraine. i will add that before that, the minister of defense of ukraine oleksiy reznikov announced the signing of a memorandum on the training of ukrainian pilots on the f16 with his colleagues, the main goal of which is full membership therefore i will not discuss with you now because tomorrow we will wait and hear and see but now i have come to sign with my colleagues in france

memorandum on the coalition on training courses f16 so you are waiting for good news, yes. my president knows something. well, besides , france will transfer long-range missiles to ukraine . during the summit , french president manuel macron announced the type of missiles and their number. he did not specify, he only noted that they would allow strike at the deep rear of the enemy, at the same time the ip agency reported that it is about scout missiles, it is an analogue of the british shadow storms, the range of which is at least 250 km, taking into account the situation and the counteroffensive that ukraine is conducting decided to increase supplies of weapons and equipment, as well as provide the ukrainians with deep strike capabilities, while maintaining the clarity and consistency of our military doctrine , allowing ukraine to defend its territory , that is why we decided to put new deep-attack missiles in ukraine reacted

literally a few hours after macron's statement , putin's spokesman dmytro piskov called such a decision is erroneous and will have consequences for kyiv, they say, sandovets will force russia to take measures. well , he has already announced a new package of military aid to ukraine german chancellor olafsholtz is on the fields himself, he confirmed what the media wrote earlier, namely that berlin will transfer to kyiv a new aid of 700 million euros, which is literally supposed to ensure the continuation of support for ukraine in the short-term perspective, he did not provide details, at the same time, journalists previously reported on what is being said about two petri launchers from the bundeswehr arsenal, 25 leopard tanks, 40 marder armored vehicles and 20,000 artillery shells, scholz also mentioned in his statement that the group of seven countries

will issue a joint declaration within the framework of the summit about long-term security commitments to ukraine well, i'm just now joined by taras zhovenko , international security expert of the ilko kucherev foundation for democratic initiatives, and i congratulate you , mr. taras, good evening . i congratulate you. good evening . i will quote there it is said that we will be able to send ukraine an invitation to join the alliance when the members of the alliance agree and the conditions are met, is this an asset or a disappointment in your opinion for the official kyiv e-e considering that in in principle, the issue of the official invitation of ukraine to the alliance at the moment, well, let's just say that there was no constant support , it was hardly possible to expect that exactly at this summit, precisely at this stage, it will be possible to hear about the official invitation of ukraine to join nato. that is well, from the very beginning, in the end, we could count so much on the fact that ukraine would be invited

to join the alliance right now, that is , this very invitation would be announced, because, well, formally, after the alliance would have announced such a decision now on therefore, in the vinnytsia semit, the procedure for ukraine's official entry into nato should begin, that is, the ratification of this decision by all nato member countries. well, it is clear that considering the fact that we only have the support of 23 of the 31st members of the alliance, it would be premature and for us and obviously for nato well, because they now need to focus a little on other points that are directly related to their defense, because in fact the nato freedom summit is not only about ukraine and not only about e-e support of our state and er well, let's put it this way, the outline of the road map for ukraine's entry into nato er for the alliance is a very important summit that reformats in general er the system of their collective security under er again such a

large-scale confrontation with the russian military and hybrid threat. that is there are still a lot of decisions that are directly related to the transformation of the nato security system itself in accordance with the current conditions, but in fact, what we heard, it basically corresponds to such a compromising expectation from this summit, that is, in fact, we do not see that all nato member countries , first of all, they are determined that ukraine must become an element of the collective security system of nato, that is , no one has any questions about ukraine's future membership. the second point is that ukraine's entry into the alliance should take place as quickly as possible. there is an agreement that the action plan that will be reached in this case will not be applied . in fact, it can be said that it is. well, this precedent that exists was applied. nato to finland and sweden e-e and actually e-e given that we are currently

conducting active hostilities on our territory nato us e and we cannot really say yes, when will this point in time be when the conditions will come that satisfy the allies who are really experiencing so that we do not accept into the alliance a country that can conventionally speaking drag nato into a real armed confrontation with the russian federation now, but in this case we see that in this political decision that will be made based on the results of this summit it will be very clearly stated that in fact what has already been announced by mr. janson stwaltenberg that as soon as the conditions and circumstances that satisfy the member states come about the end of the war, well, that means that ukraine will go to the borders or in 1991, but this is a task at most a task at least it is obvious that there will be borders. perhaps there will be borders on february 20, the third of february 22nd, and the actual event plans to break the russian regime, its political will, and actually force them

to withdraw troops from ukraine, the remnants of these troops actually, this moment will be the beginning of the formal procedure for ukraine's entry into nato, that is, now. the federation will last for years, maybe even decades, and our western allies also understand that ukraine should be the cornerstone of guaranteeing european security in this confrontation . i heard from those comments that have been voiced at this moment from this summit, mr. taras, but here i wanted to pay attention to them, and the final communique and declaration was until the stoltenberg press conference. although it was supposed to be ready already in the morning the day before, they were probably walking and there was no consensus there were certain discussions. and what do you think happened behind the scenes of the official statements

, were there really discussions until the end, what would be the text of this declaration? i think that it was not about any important strategic points, but about about, well, there are certain instrumental nuances of this declaration , i.e., well, everyone perfectly understood that, let's say, ukraine needs to accept the alliance, everyone perfectly understood that ukraine needs to accept the alliance as quickly as possible. well, there was also such and such a nuance in the position of the president of the united states states of the biker who before that spoke about the fact that it is possible and not necessary to accept ukraine into nato too quickly, but we saw that at a joint press conference with nato secretary general janson stockenberg, president biden said that supports er shares the opinion of the majority of nato's allies, well, accordingly, this is the majority - these are obviously the same 23 countries that signed a memorandum with ukraine on the fastest

possible entry of ukraine into nato, and actually , in our country, this is the result of individual diplomacy, which er, as well as actively was implemented by our ministry of foreign affairs. well, in the end, we saw that this position had changed. in fact, it was a signal to the fact that well, this is exactly this version, this is exactly this part in this version of the comic. it should be the basis, that is, it is obvious that there were discussions about whether to put in the storerooms this as soon as possible entry of ukraine into nato when these conditions are met well, in the end we saw that this is exactly how it happened, but i want to clarify, you say that the position of the states has changed instead and the media, citing informed persons , write about that that it was the position of the states, not the determination of the states, that prevented ukraine from getting more in this declaration today. why do you think that the position of the states is determined by what , after all, it is a confrontation with china, it is a confrontation with russia. is it fear

nuclear war of the third world said that here is this formal moment that we have already talked about, that is, what does it mean to get more from this summit , we could only get more if we heard that ukraine is already and now invited to the alliance well, you and i have already talked about why this will, in principle, be a bigger problem for ukraine and ultimately for nato itself , that is, well, we kind of put this moment on hold now, if we talk about other issues , then here it is, well there is usually some influence geopolitical factors, that is, the united states of america is using the situation with ukraine joining nato from the point of view of a geopolitical confrontation not only with the russian federation, but indeed with china and another point that is connected with the fact that well, there are certain internal political aspects that can influence the position of president biden now. the fact is that the next nato summit , the nato jubilee summit, will be held in washington

, united states of america, and it will be 2024 , the year of the presidential elections in the united states in the united states, and it is obvious that president biden, who expects to be the main candidate from the us democratic party for the next presidential term in the united states, he also expects to use this moment to strengthen his position in this election race, because we see statements, first of all, of the main opponents of president biden and the candidates for the presidency from the republican party that in fact the topic of ukraine is the topic of the russian-ukrainian war and the topic of strengthening the euro-atlantic security union and common common security, yes, in the context of the threats posed by russia, these topics are one of the leading ones in general, in this election race, and the republicans criticize the baidan administration precisely for the smelliness and insufficiency of the aid provided by the states to ukraine, and it is obvious that in this

short-term in the future, president biden is calculating his steps in such a way that closer to the official start of the official presidential campaign, he will show practical good results that will allow him to reject this criticism. republicans about the fact that the biden administration is actually making it too small too slowly, that is, it seems to me that there is a whole complex of factors here, and objective ones that are directly related to the alliance itself and to the fact that nato is not ready to start the procedure of official membership of ukraine's acceptance into the alliance, if we didn't want it, no matter how we didn't want it, the agency from toltenberg and our uh, 23 countries that supported us in this, and there are subjective factors that are connected , including with uh certain domestic political moments in the united states itself, germany's caution, what is it related to, because for example, the minister of foreign affairs has already called on german high-ranking officials not to repeat the mistakes

of 2008, what is berlin's caution in 2023 connected with part of certain geopolitical aspects, yes, first of all, it is actually quite difficult for germany to give up these decades of its own efforts to make peace in the russian federation, although the president of germany, mr. steinmeier, has been for a few days ago, i once again emphasized that this policy of berlin was as wrong as possible, but we understand that what was built for decades , well, in six months, in a year, or in a year and a half , it is actually very difficult to break it, that is, partly it can be this political inertia, partly it can be... - there is a certain political competition that is purely continental between two large european states between france and germany because even earlier in the french president macron a-a he changed

his point of view and he also spoke about the fact that began to talk about the fact that he advocates the fastest possible entry of ukraine into the automatic alliance, it is clear that well , let's put it this way, taking into account that berlin and paris compete with each other at certain points, including for leadership in european security policy. well, here it is also clear that the official berlin is not could just stand behind the french president and say that you know the french president is right and we agree with him, well, that is, it is symbolic to hand over this leadership at this stage if in the hands of macron, that is, certain geopolitical moments also play a role here , and certain moments also play a role here, which are connected with the fact that, in fact, both nato and the european union and the countries of the european union are undergoing quite serious transformations under under the influence of this russian aggression, and we see how our western allies gradually begin to change their worldview , to stop looking at russia as a nuclear superpower from the second army, to the extent that