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. watch the economic news project with andrii yanitsky on weekdays at 8:10 on espresso . let's return to the conversation and continue this program. worldview. my name is vasyl zima. and i'm in we are acute today oleksandr paliy, m.m. of history, political scientist, and we will continue our discussion with mr. oleksandr e. our topic is phantom fears of russia. we are also discussing the nato summit of freedoms . zelensky is now, as they say, an englishman in vilnius, on his way to nato for the summit, he is supposed to be there in the evening today. and here he said the following. well, he was worried there or something that was being discussed in nato without ukraine . ukrainian prospects. ukrainian prospects in nato. and direct speech ukraine will be represented in vilnius at the nato summit because

it is respect, but ukraine too, but ukraine also deserves respect now on the way to freedom we have received signals that the wording will be discussed without ukraine i want to emphasize this wording only in relation to invitation and not for ukraine's membership is unprecedented when there is no time frame and for the invitation for ukraine's membership in nato, it is similar to the fact that there is no readiness to neither invite ukraine to nato nor make it a member of the alliance, which means that there is still an opportunity to bargain for ukraine's membership in nato in negotiations with russia, and for russia this means motivation to continue its terror like this well, in more than one sentence, volodymyr zelenskyi said i agree with a lot of things, and you well, in general, before you come to guests in nato, you make such a statement, what does it mean, well, i received the signals, i will come now , they will find out the signals very well, that uh, the president understands that it is necessary to go, well

, let's talk about negotiations, sometimes even tough negotiations and even signals that go beyond some precipice rooms, in principle, it's normal, it's not a problem, the main thing is that there is a result, so we'll see, for example, on the ... there is no but there is an understanding that er, let's say we must take a step in the very right direction and we must receive long-term er obligations to support the defense sphere from nato right now, this is very, very important because the president is trying to negotiate something there, but at the same time going there is correct, especially the fact that he is going there, it will be an opportunity to find out the situation there, well, the nato countries are consulting there , we can't forbid them

to consult, but we can express some of our position a-a i think that in principle and it will be extremely important, for example, to get a good number of western planes in 16, but not only there, and in f18, it was very good , it was the story with these so-called cluster bombs, and now it is necessary to develop the situation with missiles, so that ukraine also calms down the west, which will shoot exclusively at the territory that must be occupied, including the occupied territories, under the pretext that it will be liberated , and the provision of several hundred such missiles to us has greatly simplified the situation with the liberation of our lands, so i think that

now, to be honest, the wording is very good, but even better, it is possible to get several hundred missiles from the americans. and if it was a couple of thousand, then it would be in general, so you understand , the president declares what he declares now , what will be declared according to the results themselves, then these are slightly different things. understand i really hope that according to the results we will get better results than eh well than a lot let's hope russia is not ready in practice, but the situation can change, the situation can change, it has already changed many times during the course of the war, remember how they did not want to provide us with anti-aircraft defense systems, they did not want to provide tanks, they did not want to provide hymers, they did not want to provide, then all this changed, it changed little by little and now we see

a lot of vivid videos about how the ukrainian military destroys the enemy with the use of western weapons, so i think that here too there will be quite serious changes. by the way, i it's very nice to see vilnius. i've been to this place for the first time. it's very cozy. it's somewhat similar. well, of course, it's similar to polish places , there's some similarity with kyiv, a similarity with lviv, well, it's like that , that's our place. you know, after vilnius, you feel like you're at home. you weren't somewhere far away by the border and this, uh, this comfort, because even estonia is already there, tallinn or riga. well, it's a little different from vilnu, it's still a lot more connected, and there's a central avenue. by the way, in vinnytsia, it's called tarasa shevchenko from the avenue, that's how it comes out right to the shevchenko monument, well, they already have this one over there, you know, the baltic countries, all three baltic countries, they are extremely pro-ukrainian, they have a lot of ukrainian flags on the street .

i asked something there, it was a long time ago, it was still in russian , you just get up, they pass as always when you say that you are from ukraine, then you can speak. do you want to speak russian, even though i have a moscow accent, if you are from ukraine , of course we spoke mainly english and young people there doesn't know russian at all, it's very interesting, by the way. i think that this tradition should also take root in ukraine. young people really don't know, because many, at least in estonia. it's true that in lithuania they don't know all the answers. in some regions of latvia, i don't know either. well, you know it in i know some people, i will ask you this question. they write a lot about it. i see such people who want to know more and try to play such verbal ping-pong and present their evidence for one side or another. well, conditionally speaking, now stoltenberg comes to nato and says we we accept ukraine in nato, everyone supports ukraine in nato here, people just have to understand what’s next, what’s next, the troops of italy , spain, albania, poland, croatia will not enter ukraine now, there is a front on it

, two armies, ukrainian and russian, have earned their money anyway. well, plus there are international legions, that is, there are there are different forces, but in principle the two armies have earned money and you will not wedge yourself in there just like that, even if you really want to help ukraine . putin obviously did not drop a nuclear bomb, even if he hears that ukraine was accepted into nato. but realistically, if they said we will take you to nato further, it is realistically for this war, for this situation now, to change it specifically now , because it seems to me that in principle it is realistic, it has not changed anything in essence, please, i would change it, you understand nato protects everyone others as they say everyone inch of the territory of the members, that is, they were obliged to help ukraine with everything, including their own troops, to oust the russians. that is, it meant, well, at least the immediate entry of the air force of the alliance countries into the war

, and you know how many air forces are in nato simply an incredible amount of aviation much better than the russian one in terms of quality and they would simply clear the sky after that, uh, they would have chopped up uh, the russian troops on the territory of ukraine with bombs. and after that, the ukrainian soldiers would go and do their job much easier than what they are doing now it would be incredible, well, probably many times easier, that is, membership in nato is a help to all possible member countries of the alliance within nato, military plans are being made, you know. now, before the deployment, there will be about 30,000 additional troops on the eastern flank is a lot, it’s a lot, and you look at what the avgner bank did on the road to moscow, it’s not the most combat-ready part compared to the nato units, and how it

scared putin, so to speak, in principle, 30,000 more in addition to those that exist on the borders of nato countries well, in principle , for such a massive ground offensive , this is not enough . will be held e-e to new equals preparedness will be the development of various capabilities of the eastern member states of the alliance, now poland simply buys an incredible amount of weapons, in particular, from south korea , good tanks, south korean good aviation, south korean, that is, the situation is changing, of course, russia is degrading from a military point of view, ukraine is very seriously helping it to do this, of course e- it's not easy for ukraine and the ukrainian armed

forces, but it is. and hmm, the countries that are members of the alliance say what you do, we 'll help you. here's your weapon, here's yours. case, and then we will somehow accept you into nato, so there will be something like this conversation . of course, president zelensky, as a maximalist, would like, and we all would like, that it would all be much faster , much easier, that the war would end today , like us today, tomorrow, but, well, they know they are not very willing to take risks like that, although on the other hand, even the fact that they are transferring very serious samples of weapons, well , in particular, missile weapons, this indicates a certain overcoming of certain barriers, well, crossing, as russia says, red or brown ones, so to speak say the lines of russian crossing by the western er countries, we see this from the side of france and from the side of britain, from the side of france in general there was

a wonderful story if you remember when er rogozin was also wounded in his rear part er and this rogozin dug out something in his rear part sent the president, er, the president of france, macron, they say, look at what your caesar guns are shooting at me, and er, how did france respond. she sent the largest additional batch of communities. the next day, she announced what to send to ukraine rogozin's letter was yesterday, and the new party for 16 caesars was today, this was the story. that is, we see that, in principle, the west is not really playing with russia anymore, but it still avoids a direct direct military confrontation, that is, it is not the initiator of this direct comprehensive. such a difficult situation for us, but once again i emphasize that the blame for this is on the genocidal

policy that was carried out in relation to ukraine, and it is that we had a murderous political elite when a few people spoke too much , a few people were responsible, and many people were prime ministers minister of defense and so on squandered our army at that time, i will remind you that i will not tell you how it was. well, under tymoshenko , even when they gave away our fleet of heavy bombers in exchange for debts for gas at ridiculous prices in general. then we have s300 and two e-e installations were sold to kazakhstan simply at ridiculous prices, simply for free. and then we ran around the world asking for slovakia, please, give us your s300 installation, because we have missiles flying and we need to shoot down the russian ones. well, in short, what kind of madness do we have

lasted in the 90s and 2000s and sometimes in the 2010s, well, to be more precise, up to the middle of the 2010s. this is madness, but our people are now paying in blood, unfortunately, well, this is really such a terrible truth, you know, ukraine has been growing for a long time and it's like children, you pooped somewhere, but your parents don't beat you, well, everything is clear, child , and then ukraine grew up to the point when you have to answer for your actions, this story , let's agree in the middle of the war, the oligarchs started, and let's build roads, and let's take it to the parade -e these singers with bare asses to sing instead of showing your military power. let's somehow look into putin's eyes. let's completely fail the defense defense armaments . let's take away the ovrutsk brigade created under poroshenko from the chernihiv border . adult life came later, and in adult life, when you walk down the street where gopniks are walking, sooner or later you get hit on

the head and you can, i'm small, it's nobody's business i am interested in this. adult life is the first time, whether it is god or fate. for the first time, ukrainians have answered with blood for their irresponsibility and the irresponsibility of their politicians . unfortunately , please, unfortunately , not for the first time. life has shown that you have to answer for your actions, you know well, you understand this in our country, few people in any nation have people who fully understand the foreign policy context there, this is the responsibility of the elite, this is the responsibility, first of all, of the people who were , uh, the will of fate. are they somehow brought to the top and who have not done anything other than slobbering and solving

their personnel issues for a decade. indeed, all of this has led to an extremely tragic, tragic situation. roads and i'm saying, are you sure that we need roads, not anti-tank mines? he said that he somehow drove off like that, but it's like he's sure . well, in short, this was the story in general with those chongar bridges there, uh, blowing them up it was necessary to blow up, not during the war, but now there are, er, i explain, there are soldiers who were blown up there during the war, they had to be blown up a week before the war , a month, two months, a year before the war , blow up and forget well, of course, you can say that then in russia and the titans launched towards us through the north, this also in principle makes some sense, that she then began to concentrate on some other more vulnerable directions well, but in general, it was necessary

to immunize everywhere and everything, and you understand, we talked, we talked about russia no relationship you don't need to have russia is a breeding ground for corruption, a breeding ground, just a primitive state that did not go through the stone age , in fact, which is wild in nature. as a historian i say and they know it, the russians and all historians knew it in the soviet union knew it for four i think that any civilization in principle as a phenomenon is the main phantom fear of russia because it shows their weakness and the need to either grow or disappear from we have world maps it literally stays there for two minutes. i think that a very important moment happened yesterday or there. the day before yesterday, the commander of the submarine krasnodar, a jew, was killed. he was shot in krasnodar and he was shooting at vinnytsia. his ship will soon be destroyed. how

27 people died in vinnytsia, and this story is very rare. will not have the most active effect on the russians, because they are all heroes together, like together, especially somewhere in style . and when everyone answers by himself, you can be shot on a lonely street on which you run, you will think 150 times whether you will launch missiles or will you launch missiles but you will think and this is a very important demonstrative moment because the russians are afraid especially when they are alone for literally one and a half minutes , please i wanted to hear your opinion because there is still a long long list of who else threw these missiles at ukraine these captains e- you know, i think that the most effective from this point of view will be when there is such an upheaval and collapse of russia, we will have to announce bounties for war criminals so that the russians themselves will hand them over to these leading criminals and you you know what russians will not hand over another

russian for $100,000. that is, we will have to ask for this money somewhere at the event under some program . yes , declare them war criminals in order to catch them and bring them here. it is arranged among the russians themselves, they will be so happy to catch their yesterday's heroes with ieds and so on that it will be a so-called hero and thieves, in fact, that it will be very an interesting sight. and in general, russians hate each other, they hate everyone around them. including, as soon as these members of the so-called sbu become neudel, they will sell them with

the great pleasure of ukraine. about the phantom fears of the russians, also about the first day, but today the nato summit started from ukraine itself , but there will be a meeting of ukraine nato tomorrow, and i thank mr. oleksandr, i will say that today in we still have a lot of interesting things ahead of us, well, first of all, we will follow the events in vilnius , er, where have the leaders of nato member countries already gathered, there are 31 countries in nato, the 32nd country should be sweden, we hope that ukraine will become the 33rd country, at least the lithuanians as the contributors wrote not in the comments to the youtube broadcast that they are preparing to buy 33,000 ukrainian e-e flags in this very same way, this is like a symbol that ukraine should be the 33rd ukraine of nato , you know, yes, ukraine is now paying a very high price for itself and for our partners to there are also a lot of things that only ukraine is to blame for this war. i wouldn't say that either. ukraine made wrong decisions in the elections of ukrainians

. there were a lot of things that people thought that it was not serious. what , well, it's okay, somehow it will work out somewhere somewhere. it's all the same. but here life or fate struck very painfully for the irresponsibility of many people and politicians for the irresponsibility of people who were told to dig trenches and people were told to build roads and were told to prepare weapons and people failed the defense order. the ukrainian army will bear all this on its shoulders together with the ukrainian people. in fact, i just want to say the statistics are not statistics, they are just the law. yes, there is such an algorithm that for one soldier to fight, he received a salary and had everything necessary to fight, there should be 20 working people in behind 20, if we have an army of a million people, we should have 20 million of those people who work for the army, so all of this should work together if we manage to bear all this on our shoulders and we join nato. i think that we will then

teach a lot of gullibility and frivolity can be worth a lot of blood maybe we underestimated russia, our partners underestimated russia and russia showed itself, as you know, i am such a cruel hammer of fate that hit very painfully, in fact, i thank you, but we hit back painfully, victory will be with us thank you for being with us it was world view program we are continuing the search for 15-year -old nastya lipanova and her 17-year-old sister oleksandra, the girls disappeared in mariupol on the first day of the pavlo-scale war on february 24 last year, and their whereabouts are currently unknown and it is still not the first time that we are talking about the search for the liponov sisters, and after another program we even received very encouraging information that the girls are all right . concerned people contacted us and said that in may

of last year the girls were seen in temporarily occupied donetsk, there is an assumption that nastya and oleksandra were taken there from mariupol in the first months of the war, and later the sisters could be transported to russia, but the information has not been officially confirmed, so i am asking everyone who sees me to look carefully at the photo of the girls, remember these faces if anyone suddenly saw the lipovych sisters or has any information about the possible whereabouts of nastya and oleksandra, do not delay and call us on the hotline of the magnolia children search service at the short number 116,000 calls from any ukrainian mobile operator are free or write to chatbot services of the search for children in the telegram , i also want to remind you that the search for 16-year-old serhiy samoilov from mariupol is also ongoing, his mother said that on the very first day

of the full-scale war, they were very restless and every hour the situation only rapidly deteriorated from the bombings, the family hid in the basement, but shelling was far from the only problem of the residents of mariupol , the internet was an emergency for us, we even drank water from the technical wells, only then the police, well, the whole family was poisoned, he didn't drink, he couldn't eat they honestly tell us that there were too many stores, everything was robbed, no delivery, nothing. well, we just drank cleanly, we wanted questions . the horror was the most disturbing thing for the fifteen-year-old serhiy samoilov at the time . the lack of internet was exactly why the boy wanted to leave mariupol overnight, he was fascinated by computers and studied programs, tried to develop them, created servers, and why did he actually leave the house? yes

, there was no internet connection at home, it is clear that there was no problem in the garden, he was going to go to pokrovsk, serhiy planned to go to my mother's friend in pokrovsk, this is also the donetsk region, about 200 km from mariupol, and the boy's family did not dare to leave the house, so serhiy went alone around well, to be honest, tell us even then there was absolutely nothing to eat and drink, and was it scary ? he took a backpack and a computer in it . he got dressed. how do young people dress?

my grandmother and i did not keep our egos in the yard. at the moment, only one thing is known. serhii never made it home. the boy also did not return. he is on his way. now nobody knows serhii’s mother and he still lives in mariupol. but he does not lose hope of finding his son. in the meantime, his father serhiy, who has been living separately for a long time and is now in the territory controlled by ukraine , is doing everything possible on his part to find serhiy, in particular, he also turned to the office of the boatswain . что много выдовилась детей э-э on russian territory что-тот moment therefore i will now contact from that side , so it is possible that the boy was taken to the territory of russia , but it is possible that he is still in the territory of donetsk region, so i am contacting residents of the temporarily occupied territories who may see this social network program, look carefully at the child's photo, if anyone saw the boy after march 8 last year, or does anyone know where he might be now, don't

delay, dial the short number of the magnolia children's search service from any mobile operator, 116,000,000 calls to the hotline from any ukrainian mobile operator are free. if suddenly there is no connection, write to the chat bot of the child search service in telegram any important information hello, this is freedom morning, the informational project of radio svoboda, top guests every day, this is the shipping district of kherson, live inclusion, we are somewhere in the vicinity of bakhmut, we indicate the main thing on

weekdays at 9:00 andriy yanitsky keeps the economy under control, yes, we are talking about economic news on the espresso channel, but it is not about dry numbers and clear terms, it's about the economy, it's about the ability to analyze, forecast and get a profit, but what will be the currency exchange rates, salaries and pensions, and how product prices will change, information about everything what affects our wallet, and informed means armed, watch the economic news project with andrii yanitsky on weekdays at 8:10 on espresso. congratulations on the nato summit that began in vilnius. russian propaganda has been saying for several days now, they are trying to tell that ukraine is not important. ukraine there will be nothing

at all and everything will not work out and everything will be wrong, and you know this , such a deep desire to prove that ukraine does not exist at all, that it sometimes reaches the point of absurdity, as for example in kiselyov, who has i just said very strange things about the statue of liberty in new york. well, they decided to make fun of the projection of the american flag on the mother's family, the action is timed to celebrate the long-awaited kiev, that is nato, freedom of ukraine as a topic there with everything in the end. july 12, 9:00 general secretary general stoltenberg's opening speech followed by four hours of working talks, and sweden will be preceded by a meeting at the end of a short working day and that press conference. the state and the ruler with the participation of the same sweden two hours for three dozen glad