[000:00:00;00] the logistical routes of the russian army to stop the supply of their units with ammunition and personnel, the blocking of these routes will affect the defense of bahmut, let's listen to dinner, you will win, the infantry will win the military , but the war will still be won by logistics , if we transport it, logistics, they will simply be forced withdraw ourselves, simply withdraw , we occupy their positions, including from bakhmut , we do not try to take this burned-out city is where there is nowhere to hide, there are no engineering structures , if we already achieve success in the direction of to the pincers and the top, we will then completely take the already dominant heights and bakhmut himself will be below us, and then it will be easier for us to destroy our enemy because he is not a matillery and just force him to leave bakhmut himself, let's continue the topic of what

is happening precisely in the eastern direction with sergiy shcherbat he is the spokesman of the eastern group of the armed forces of ukraine joined our broadcast p serhii, we are glad to see you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes good evening well, let's start traditionally already during the inclusion of spokespeople and in particular serhiy shcherbaty, we want to ask what is the current situation on this part of the front in general, what news, please, in general, in our operational zone there are two key directions: bakhmutsky and lymana kupyansky, in the bakhmut direction, the initiative remains with the armed forces, in general, with the defense forces of ukraine, and also as said by my the enemy colleague is desperately resisting and trying to stop our advance in

the direction of kupala. he is concentrating all his efforts on seizing the initiative and is constantly attacking our units. during this day, in our group's operational zone , 10 boyazit 845 shellings of various calibers and types of artillery , as such reactive systems create diseases, 11 air raids by fortune-tellers, 6 airplanes, five helicopters, one strike by a kamikaze drone, and 82 combat confessions of the defense forces were destroyed 204 occupiers were wounded serhiy tell me, please well, now let's discuss the lyman kupyan direction, in particular , is there currently any rotation with the enemy what units are currently opposing our armed forces , so the enemy's main problem is personnel

composition, in view of the losses i just mentioned for just this day , we understand that he needs to constantly update his personnel, and this is his main dilemma, and that is why there is such a segmented group, it is airborne units and motorized rifle units, and well in their terminology, motorized rifle infantry and units of the so-called bars combat army reserve of the territorial troops, units of this rotishtorm z and due to heavy losses were even transferred there, as one of their motorized rifle brigades received a very powerful loss was thrown even uh this hidden uh units were praised here is the special forces regiment of akhmat and i and they already received the first blows and realized that most likely in the first

military operations they would not be very successful in using them and so and so and so and so i think that they will focus mainly on the fact that they know how to be gendarmes and policemen, and what kind of hail do you have? well, regarding the situation in bakhmut, just now we quoted oleg kalashnikov , he is a press officer for the 6th artillery brigade, and he says that if our armed forces in full will take control of the heights and bakhmut himself may be at the bottom and it will be easier to destroy our enemies with artillery fire and force him to leave bakhmut , how likely is this version of events to be optimal for our armed forces? became even more likely here , it is simply necessary to constantly take into account that our defense forces are actually doing such

heroic combat work in conditions when we have parity in terms of personnel and equipment with the enemy. and sometimes there, for example, in terms of the number of shells, we lose to him. only our training, motivation and an incredible kind of intelligence allow us to constantly move forward at such a moderate pace, but with a great preservation of personnel. what is most valuable for us, first of all, from our views of values for us, the personnel is also and secondly, as for any trained commander, his trained personnel is the main value because the equipment can be replaced, and the person on whom you spend a lot of time and knowledge is this it is impossible, therefore, the work is progressing bit by bit, the enemy understands this, the enemy is desperate, does he not mind, is transferring reserves there, that is why it is like

this except for the romizk competition, this competition is free and so far ukraine is pushing this and the main issue for us is that we are more educated to motivate others, we are better equipped and have better intelligence about such important things to a large extent, the main problem will remain the number and inhumanity of the enemy for whom human lives are absolutely not important and he is simply sh- i am constantly thinking about how to throw a new human mass in the winter, fearing to conduct it regularly, because it actually makes such a stable mobilization an alternative, recruiting private companies to join storm companies z and, of course , the purchased territories, in particular, the occupied territories of the donetsk luhansk regions , absolutely absolutely, they can

tell before that that they cleaned out virtually all other enterprises, and that is, doing everything in order to, uh, keep the dynamics of the war in such a way that they could not break through the front. however, that's how it is the number is a very big obstacle. but i think that with our unity, cohesion and support for comprehensive force defense, we will blow it away. thank you very much and thank you to everyone who is currently defending our land. this was serhiy cherevate, the spokesman for the eastern group of the armed forces of ukraine. by the way, about the defenders and what the state is doing . and must surely do to everyone who puts their lives and health on defense for the defense of our motherland until july 13 , veterans, veterans and family members of the dead

can receive funds to finance their own case, a new competitive program has been developed by the ukrainian veterans' fund of the ministry of veterans, how much can you get, let's find out more, money for starting your own business can be received by veterans and family members of fallen ukrainian military personnel, as well as family members of fallen defenders who are registered as natural persons-entrepreneurs , and also receive funds legal entities can receive from 500,000 to 3 million uah for starting or developing your own business, the last day of accepting applications is july 13, an interesting program, let's understand the details , nataliya kalmykova joins our broadcast , she is the executive director of the ukrainian veterans fund. well, natalya, are you ready for my questions? i hope that it is potential clients from this program. or the participants of the program don't know how to say the right thing, they are watching or listening

to us, let's ask. first, why is this uh, uh, uh, uh, uh , extreme points of 500,000 and 3 million hryvnias. how did you calculate that exactly these are such amounts of money needed by veterans in order to start or continue their own business, well, actually, this is not the first program of the ukrainian veterans fund, which is carried out to support veteran entrepreneurs, as well as enterprises founded by veterans and members of the ber odin dead. by the way, thank you very much for the excellent infographic, it clearly shows all categories of and but we faced the fact that there are those enterprises, for example , agricultural enterprises, which need more money for the purchase of equipment, so actually within the framework of this round of competitive programs, we made wider knives, this does not mean that all applicants receive a small 3 million hryvnias, it means that each applicant must

clearly determine the amount that he needs in order to achieve the goal he sets for himself in the development of his business and then clearly follow the rules to report and fulfill all the commitments made during the submission natalya , i have to interrupt you briefly because the enemy does not allow us to talk calmly , especially about help, but now there is an air alert in the regions marked in red - this is zaporizhzhia and donetsk well and traditionally, unfortunately, the luhansk region and the autonomous republic of crimea are already marked in red on the map of air alarms, please. if you or your relatives are in the danger zone , immediately go to the shelters, we will return to the conversation with natalya komakova, she is the executive director of the ukrainian veterans fund. well, one more question. is the money allocated to veterans for business development or do they need to be returned? if so , then when the deputies are not needed, this is irrevocable

financial assistance and really it is so unique the program that was created by the government even during the war with an understanding of the role defenders played and play in the defense of the motherland and the work that is required of our applicants is actually good work by translating the application to work during the competitive selection itself and then fulfill my obligations the need to report, because each subsequent payment transaction occurs only after reporting for the previous tranche, well , i wonder if such conditions do not require the money to be returned, and what will be the transparency of this process as who will monitor the fact that there will be no corruption in this matter in particular well, in fact, all the bodies that we report to are monitoring this, because we are a budget institution, we are subordinate to the ministry of veterans affairs, and we are supervised as

an institution directly by the ministry of veterans affairs yes, and all other bodies and structures that monitor how the budget process is carried out, well , let's see how it will actually happen. usually we receive about 70 e-e applications within the framework of the competition and somewhere half of the applicants will most likely receive funding for 70 applications for the whole country . defends our motherland with weapons, i.e. now, we are developing mechanisms in order to be ready after the return of a larger number of veterans to provide this service qualitatively, and what do you think? well

, you probably have calculations, so after that after the victory, a large number of ukrainians who are now defending our land with weapons in their hands will return, will there be an opportunity to provide such support? and we are working to ensure that it is supported. priorities for the state for the coming years, because really the veteran community and veterans together with their families will amount to at least five million people, this is a huge number of the population of ukraine - this is according to e-e calculations relative to the number of the population, it is now more than 15% of this country, therefore, clearly for the country, for the state as an institution, veterans are an important part of society and the actual creation for a veteran, for female veterans, of the conditions

for a decent return to civilian life, for us, it is a priority for the state and a lot of public organizations are working in this direction, and today business has a great interest and often turns to us about it. tell us how to reintegrate those people who went to the war and mobilized now and when they they will return. what should we do? in other words, this is actually such a common task for everyone and not only the state, but also each person personally, because the state is us, and i have such a question, after all, this figure of 70 people for the whole country seems small, is it possible? and now it is possible to increase it, not all of them were counted, because it is probably a dynamic process, someone is demobilized, someone, on the contrary, goes to war, what kind of effort was made to count all potential participants of the programs, see the potential participants are much more than 70 i

i say it like this, the amount that is usually submitted because this is not the first program this year, even this year and not the last this year , so we have a budget set for a larger number, we will be able to provide support to approximately 200 plus enterprises of entrepreneurs , but within the framework of this competition we we expect at least 70 applicants to submit applications that will meet the technical requirements as a minimum nataliya thank you very much, first of all, secondly , i still want to take your promise that you will return to our broadcast and continue tell how this process will continue. by the way, if veterans are watching us now and who have questions or complaints about this procedure, please also contact us, our colleagues, we will gladly connect you to this conversation. thank you. this was nataliya kalmykova, executive director of the ukrainian veterans fund to other topics in a minute. we will move on. don't

close when the country trembles from the explosions. when the night turns to day from the explosions, we are worried about our relatives. and we are worried about our help. they are holding the heavenly front. they protect us and we must protect them. do not shoot there, do not post photos and videos of the work of the air defense forces on the network. the defense of ukraine is the first priority. this is how the first day of nato was summed up in his official telegram channel by the president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky about the plans for tomorrow. quote tomorrow we will continue our work in vilnius our defense is the first priority and i am grateful to our partners for their willingness to take new steps more weapons for our soldiers more protection

of life for all of ukraine we will bring to ukraine new important defense tools are planned bilateral meetings with the american, canadian, german, british, dutch, japanese and other partners the first inaugural meeting of the ukraine nato council is planned on the start of the work of this ukraine nato council and not only mykola, i congratulate you , i am glad to see you. glory to ukraine, everyone, now i ask all the guests, everyone who speaks on this topic, what are your expectations from this summit from the second already the day we are all waiting for tomorrow, they also ask you what do you expect, the expectation is to join nato, take away their nuclear weapons, the nuclear shield and fight russia until it collapses , these are our expectations and they are the same as those of the whole country, and these expectations are exactly what these expectations have under them

there are big reasons for what sumakh said yesterday , ukraine has a legal right to be in nato, this is our message, this is our ideology. that it may not happen, but i will say that it is not extremely catastrophic for us, but if the bad day is not tomorrow and in a year washington will have a problem if, for example, we do not join in a year and then trump wins in the scenario we would not have russia then it will crush our task for this year, enter the task for tomorrow , they are actually simple and clear - pd- some of the messages have already been written, but everything is fine . for example, today they said there are no comedians yet, now they have already thrown stones in the public

, yes, okay, there are no peak guarantees, let's go there at least by 20-30%, at best we will make this text more pro-ukrainian and we will already be able to save millions of lives thanks to this nato is the strongest organization they need to be convinced of one thing to stop being afraid of the weakest but most pontoon army in the world the russian army they joked today in the days of prigozhina and the second army in russia itself, but definitely not in the world, and everything is very important for us to understand our power too much, because they are now frighteningly limiting our opportunities within the organization itself, and we need to concentrate on this. i think that tomorrow, the importance of the meeting in this personal e-e of the president with biden is the most important meeting, this is the top, well, there is nothing cooler. and just a personally closed meeting can give the most, and we have to say that part of his political victory in the elections next year is our entry into the alliance.

our victory in the war we are connected we are in the same boat we live in the same historical era in another scenario it is not a fact that everything will be fine so in fact we need to use easy manipulation easy blackmail it is normal for us historical chance historical window opportunities when you can simply push into a completely different world, the world of western countries to which we mentally refer , but from the point of view of geopolitics, we are moscow's gray zone, which is more beneficial to russia than to us. that is why we need to change the geopolitical vector now. i will say that many western politicians, even nato employees and according to their experts, they say that geography does not change, it changes poland was in the warsaw bloc in a social camp today in nato the baltic countries were in general in

the soviet union today in nato the walls of this former yugoslavians are also in the social camp. albania, macedonia, montenegro, croatia are all in nato. that is, all our old friends . but it is not fair to me, and if nato wants to be stronger, invite ukraine to have a more experienced army. volodymyr zelenskyi spoke from one of the central squares of vilnius when he handed over the battle flag made of bachmut, and it was hung right there. he is now a major and said that ukraine can strengthen nato. during the press conference jens stoltenberg, the nato secretary general, said that first we need to get the consent of each of the nato member countries, and this

is what we really have a question about: are all nato countries ready to support the accession of ukraine even after the victory, what do you say, look at our task now to collect we have public statements, now there are 20 of them, with a tail of about 23 out of 33 countries, e.e. sweden, now the issue of finland has already been said that for us it is necessary to convince two world leaders and the leader of europe, germany, that's it two countries that need to be convinced and further. and then all the rest will catch up, that is, out of these 10, we really need to convince two countries , and i think that this year and tomorrow will be the focus, but make sure that this super opportunity is realized, because if today's us rhetoric, she spoke enough, only told the story, but he is not a politician , he is the minister of defense. he said that we will definitely pursue the issue of how and when, a super statement, but the rest says that what, let's create a council

, let's talk about guarantees, let's go there for a long time we will work to get closer. this means that we are being referred to bucharest in 2008, they are spitting on us, deceiving us with different words, but let's remember what happened after bucharest , they attacked cargo after a few months, and then on fuel to ukraine the first and second time , and then these are how they we are sorry for the trillions of dollars of inflation. yes, it will be because of you in 2008, they did not hear it, and this is the question . now it is on us, on them, on their responsibility. if we repeat the mistakes of 2008 now, then the threats that have grown since 2008 multiply by 10 times and then they will have the third world war and now we really need to make leadership decisions not to offend russia and what will she think there if we take ukraine and give it as a junior partner this is what we need to think now because if we live within these frameworks and pink glasses of the beginning of the second millennium, but they still live in them

, but they are happy that the soviet union collapsed , the map has changed, we show it to them, they do not see it, it is necessary to convince the leadership today, more than in 2004. you can convince germany, for example. i will tell you that we have already convinced her by 500% , but we need to convince her by another 500. they once gave us three days. from the point of view of humanitarian military aid, that is, now they say that they are against us in nato well, let's give you a better conviction - these are our people, they saw ukrainians in germany and now they can't distinguish between germans and ukrainians, good-looking, honest , fair working people, they can't do anything about it to say too much is not only that the military is also political - with political approaches i think that we must convince with three things so that the 17 eggs

disappear , that normal fair courts disappear, that the oligarchs disappear, that corruption and all of them disappear. often cynical people and politicians who lead them, but like if we do all the things, i am more than sure that we would just come up with ideas there , i will remind you that croatia is one of the last countries that was taken by a great friend of germany, but they were invited even before the deadlines that were called because the reforms were made, so actually the ball is in our court and tomorrow i won't be able to convince them either. how did my relatives become for this war? that's why we need to prepare for this one and in a year it will be a disaster. there we will now honestly show ourselves, let's give a summary that it was enough in finland for sweden to enter let us now this year become these finns swiss and enter that year we went to the forum but last year year

all the fifth article works for you if the washingtonians will tell us what we need for them then the fifth article is working, all this is already a victory. well, that's why we have to work, so that we don't fold our hands, we have to work, politics, diplomacy , military affairs - these are our three priorities, this is our trident, now he has to work just too much. thank you for your opinion , it was mykola davydyuk, the director of the analytical center, is a politician and i really want to continue one of the topics that mr. davydyuk and i have now raised, the german government of chancellor olaf scholz is trying to block the decision on the accelerated euro-atlantic integration of ukraine the german publication bild writes about this and with reference to its sources and an internal government document, let's now add serhiy honest to our list , he is the director of the initiative of the center for european stability in berlin and has been for 19 years, mr. serhii. congratulations, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, good evening, thank you

for inviting, well, the announced e-e regarding the accession of ukraine to nato. do you believe the publication of this german publication? is this really the position of the german government? to ukraine, nato in the fact that it was made, but on this very thing, it looks absolutely like this, well, to be honest, it is absolutely so weak, and it actually says that the integration of ukraine into nato will take place . when the time comes and when all the members of the alliance with he will agree with this, that is, there are absolutely no guarantees, no guarantees, no clear plan, no clear commitments, like ukraine will be in nato one day. so when the time will come

, and when the time will come, no one knows a-a well, i think that the first thing is fear. it is absolutely unfounded fears, this is a fear of escalation, fears of some kind, what does it mean for russia, this is irritating the fear that nato countries will allegedly be involved in an excavation spiral well , you know, for the last week i have been constantly talking to my german colleagues and they keep saying, well, escalation can happen, i always ask well what kind of escalation do you imagine if ukraine is invited to nato , that is, that the russians will start bombing ukrainian cities of our caliber, probably the russians will start torturing prisoners, probably the russians will start deporting children and probably kakhovsky the dam is being blown up, probably the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant for the past, what will they do and the scalation because they are not doing it now as a reaction to this and there is no answer to this, but you know in german political society there are such almost religious mandras that are repeated

without people thinking about their content, there used to be such a mantra that security in europe cannot be against russia, only with russia, absolutely nothing has been proven. the end of the war why can't who said that, where is it not written about in the nato constitution, germany, west germany, but germany was accepted into nato in the 55th year, when a third of germany's territory was occupied, germany was in a legal state of war with the ussr , there was only an armistice fri. year was not a state of peace. that means that germany also had territorial claims to poland and the soviet union there. the eastern border of germany was finally approved by

the german government only in december of the 70th year, i.e. in general, germany claimed millions of square kilometers, which means, well, to me, of course, which means millions of square meters - this is also a territory . no one said that if we now accept germany into nato, we will have to fight with the ussr, they simply accepted and in this way they didn’t give, they just put a border on the moscow expansion, now they don’t do it because they are afraid, because they are weak, because there is no aura, there is no truman, and there are no other figures who understood what evil is now fighting ukraine is actually against this evil with such little support from the west, conscience please tell me if there are any forces in the german political community that would be lawyers for ukraine in this matter, well , actually there take, for example, the head of