[000:00:00;00] on the youtube channel of radio svoboda, do it. we continue to monitor how the details will develop in lithuania, and in particular, our colleagues will tell you more during the special at 12:30, so be sure to watch it. have a good day , 504 days of heroic confrontation continues of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers weather news on espresso anzhelika sezonenko is working in the studio for the second day right here nato starts in vilnius today there will again be a lot of talk about ukraine and its path to

membership in the alliance, a number of important events are expected we will learn the details of the meetings from our correspondent natalya stare pravo, who works in vilnius. i congratulate you, natalya, so she tells you what the agenda is for today and what the ukrainian side expects . i really congratulate the studio. on the second day , the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi just arrived, he was met by the prime minister the minister of defense varshkikov and the ministers of foreign affairs, kulab, and yesterday it was visible and audible that the ukrainian delegation was not very satisfied and even disappointed with the decisions regarding ukraine, because we did not hear those guarded words they did not hear about it, what clear steps were taken regarding ukraine's accession to nato, and even the president of poland, angeli duda, said that what was decided yesterday by the alliance countries was not enough

for ukraine, there were no clear steps regarding its fate in the list of nato countries, however, he hopes that in a few years, ukraine will become a full-fledged member, also on the same day, the president of the european commission arrived in vilnius. ursulav derlein foundation cannot comment on ukraine's participation in nato, but she said that if ukraine moves towards progress in reforms, as it is today, it is moving, that's why it will definitely become a member of the european union, however, i will add that everyone was really shaken by the decision , and the decisions are unclear regarding the fact that nato countries are not ready to even invite ukraine, because ukraine still has to fulfill certain conditions. pergom that ukraine has removed these mandatory conditions and the action plan regarding membership, however, there are

certain conditions that only the countries of the alliance can decide to evaluate ukraine's steps regarding its progress in the same reforms, that is, there are certain such and such inaccuracies at the same time canceled , however, the decision remains with the countries of the alliance and they evaluate the progress of ukraine and believe that today is not the time for ukraine to become a full-fledged member of nato for the reasons that it is necessary to take steps in the progression of reforms and the war is still going on in ukraine and today at 12:30 we expect a press conference of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi with nato secretary general jens stoltenberg, and later the first meeting of the new council of ukraine nato is such a body where ukraine is a full member

together with the countries of the alliance, they will discuss the steps to dialogue regarding the euro-atlantic movement of ukraine's course towards nato, what exactly ukraine should do and what aspects to improve in order to become a full member, and at the moment we are observing that today they will tell us something interesting and maybe they will cheer us up with good news. remember that ukraine will still move in line with nato . espresso was included in our direct, so i'm going to split up, it's going on for the second day, that's nato, and we will really include it in our next issues as soon as there is news, and for now we'll move on to other information. so , about the consequences of russian shelling in different

regions of ukraine, one person died and another yatero were injured due to enemy attacks in kherson oblast, among the injured was an eight-year -old child, the regional military administration noted that during the day, the attackers shelled the region 67 times, more than three hundred shells were fired from artillery mortars, hail tanks and drones targeted the residential quarters of the settlements, the hydrotechnical facility in the boryslav district and the building of the humanitarian headquarters in kherson of the russian terror, an 85-year-old man was killed , doctors tried to save him, but the injuries turned out to be too severe, the head of the region yuriy malashko reported, 40-3 civilian objects were also damaged and in the kharkiv region, the invaders injured a 74-year-old man, he is in the hospital

with moderate severity, the enemy hit the village with a guided air bomb and damaged four private houses, he noted the head of the regional military administration, oleg synogubov, in vyshnevo, a warehouse where sunflower seeds were stored was on fire, the shelling does not stop. and on the eve of mykolaiv oblast, the enemy attacked ochakiv with artillery, residential buildings and a farm building were damaged there, noted the head of the regional military administration, vitaly kim, the occupiers were also twice in the kutsurub community, and there were no casualties and injured 11 enemy attack drones shot down air defense forces over ukraine at night , russia released 15 shaheeds, it was noted in

the enemy's air force attacked from the north-eastern direction launched bipoles skursk and there are hits in cherkasy region at night the russians shot water from non-residential infrastructure objects in the cherkasy district as a result of which a fire broke out there and now the fire has already been extinguished two people were injured with burns in the hospital informed the head of the regional military administration ihor taborets, the survey of the territory continues for the second night in a row, the russians tried to attack the capital with shahads, but the popo forces destroyed all enemy targets around in kyiv, the head of the city military administration, serhiy popko, said that there is currently no information on casualties or destruction. there are no more detailed data. i will note that an alarm was sounded at night. in some northern and central regions, our defenders conducted death training for

another 500 russians, and since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, 235,000,530 enemy soldiers have already completed such a course. soldiers, the defenders added 17 artillery systems, 12 cars and tank trucks, seven armored combat vehicles, the same number of units to the scrap metal coalition special equipment, two rocket salvo systems, one tank and one means of anti-aircraft defense of the invaders also shot down 33 base pilots in the general headquarters of the skis. they add that these estimated hot nights in russia are not only due to the summer heat, this time it was burning in yekaterinburg. wooden pallets , building materials were burned and cars, extinguishing the fire was complicated by the fact that near elep, according to the latest data, the fire was localized on an area of ​​one and a half thousand square meters

, according to preliminary data, the local rescuers noted that they always in the russian federation there are no losses nature's retribution for the kakhov hpp part of russia is drowning a state of emergency was introduced in four settlements in the apsin district of the kuban everything was flooded there because of the rains the houses of the population are being evacuated the authorities there informed at this hour that's all the news the next issue will be at 11 then we with you and we will meet my colleagues andriy saichuk and lesya vakulyuk are ready to continue the information broadcast espresso we return to avatar and continue our marathon

you will spend the next two hours in our e-e company well and in in the company of our guests, we have many interesting topics planned, in particular, we will also discuss what is happening in vilnius and how good or bad it is for ukraine, and we will also talk about what is happening in our army because there is probably you already know about what valery markus wrote an e- he put the report on the table of the commander and he says that he does not agree with the decisions regarding the use and development of the 47th brigade, in which he was, whether he did well or not well. is everything really so bad in that brigade that it should be to write a report and did we need to find out about what is happening inside and we will also talk about this separately with andriy rok, right now you see this flag on e your screens eh hm actually in which in which

valeriy markos asks to move his chief sergeant to a lower position andrii tseteruk, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war , a people's deputy of the 8th convocation, we are adding him to our broadcast. andrii, we congratulate you. i wish the best health to the ukrainian nation, good morning to see you all, andrii, eh, already in my it is clear to the feed that it may differ from what appears in someone else's feed on facebook because each of us has our own circles of communication. but i think that even those people who have nothing to do with the military or journalists or public activists or else this news got to them all the same. especially since valery markus, after commenting on his post, valery zaluzhny told him to get dressed and even there this comment had a lot of likes, after that he also appeared in

the office of volodymyr zelenskyi took a picture with volodymyr zelenskyi, he was summoned there , as it were, to discuss the reform well, after all this, a report appears who may not have seen that photo, they showed it to him and how volodymyr zelenskyi presented himself with valery markus or valery marcus volodymyr zelenskyi who already knows him there who with whom in a word, the most famous sergeant of the ukrainian army is probably valery markos, who was well-known and before the full-scale invasion, books were written and so on. it's called all these commanders, brigades, military positions, i don't understand them very well, maybe i'll figure it out later, he accuses mr. shalamaga of ivan shalamaga that

he doesn't manage as well as he should, and in the meantime, photos of mr. shalamaga with valeriy zuluzhnym and with volodymyr zelenskyi is simply what people say that he is. those who oppose marcus's opinion that mr. chalamaga is worthy and cannot be called a sovkov because he is quite young for the military position he holds. they generally talk about the entire 47th brigade, reminding that lieutenant colonel oleksandr sak is with the call sign sam, he has been fighting since the 15th year, four wounds , a full cavalier of the order of bohdan khmelnytskyi , and here is the chief of staff of the 47th, colonel dubovik, also legendary, 193 brigade has been fighting since the 14th

year well and so on. that is, the 47th brigade is headed by sufficiently experienced and combat officers there, and it was presented from the very beginning as an absolutely elite brigade, mr. andrii, what are your thoughts on this public scandal? what do you think about it in principle? a military man who knows what discipline and subordination are in the army. really , i have a lot of experience in the military and political careers, which allows me to comprehensively approach such, let's say , reactions to what is happening in certain structures and you can say that in my opinion, one of the most difficult tests for every person is the three tests of fire , water and copper pipes, and it is obvious that where people go through the fire of hostilities, through the trials that are connected with the introduction

of hostilities, it is extremely difficult let's say to hold back your inner self so as not to float away from the sounds of copper pipes from the publicity of recognition from the er illusory power that you get er communicating with those who make decisions and this at night is the guarantee of this er conflict because in the comments now again well, i'm very sorry that we are discussing this conflict at all, which came out because many fuses should have worked in order to extinguish it within the borders of the military team, but nevertheless, we are already talking about it, the same valery marcus responded quite positively to ivan's propane in his time. obviously, something changed in his mind, and it was definitely not a reason to tell a lie. let's say then

, or now, then you are injecting something that is unhealthy, and it is obvious that it is does not apply well, because those officers on whom valery markos wrote absolutely unacceptable words , there are a lot of soldiers now, too, considering that they are military personnel who still go out into the public space protecting the officers and non-commissioned officers and which is obvious does not benefit valery marcus himself, it is obvious that he will have to rethink his role and place because he is a srach. excuse me for the directness of the language. and this is not a conflict , it is a srach who came out into the public space, he actually weakens the unit but it certainly does not intensify, it certainly does not resolve the conflict situation, and here i would advise mr. valery not to aggravate the situation, but still to devote

time to er analysis and necessarily hm for one, i want to, you need to clearly understand what he is doing why does he do it and for what purpose they were chasing him, it will be easier for him one more moment in this situation, that is, i understand what you are talking about. everyone understands that the army cannot be without discipline and subordination. once upon a time , a wonderful series is shown to you by an american one based on real events, where at the end the main character asks the general to whom or a colonel who leads his own squad why won't he punish this bad officer , won't suspend him, and won't raise this fertilizer and then explain to him that if i do this, i will undermine all the principles by which we are currently working as a brigade, that is, it will collapse completely below the judgment of good, bad, and is subject to assessment , in fact, behavior in specific conditions, in specific situations, because subordination and discipline

are a guarantee that the army remains an absolutely effective tool in conditions close to the maximum risk to life and to act in such conditions we need certain e-e components of the hierarchy that allows us to carry out orders, because if we behave creatively , i want to do, i want to not do, then this will expose the subordinate e-e commanders to additional danger. er, let's say in the area of ​​responsibility on the front line. so here you can't say and generalize that someone is good, that means he will definitely suffer, and someone is bad, then he will definitely have a green light , although again, if we are already talking about the soviet army, in which valery marcus did not actually serve, because he was born in 1993. if it is clear that he did not understand what the army was until his 18th birthday, then i can say that

really officers who had a bad character , poor command skills tried to train them from the team by sending them to study at the academy or for promotion , but this is an irreversible effect, therefore, again, everything has a boomerang effect in this life, it is necessary to remember not only military teams and you must always think with your head what you are doing why, what goal do i want to achieve you said at the beginning of the conversation that you wouldn't really like to discuss what happened in the public sphere. well, it has already appeared in the public sphere in the social network . we are discussing, trying to give some kind of expertise, not just who is there, who is from america, and who is against marcus, and actually, we have to set aside our, let’s say, evaluation judgment in order to try to understand whether this is

a complex problem or whether it is a problem of an individual person or a separate collective, and this is exactly what will allow we have to draw conclusions and it is possible with these conclusions not to prevent the occurrence of similar situations in the same team, that is why it is extremely important to separate emotions from a cold assessment of the situation so that we do not now allow but necessarily now the russian er-e hm plbeshna some kind of er-e there will be an operation about the fact that we have demoralized troops that our commanders are allegedly despised by subordinates that this is supposedly a general situation and it can actually be used against the er-e faith of the ukrainian nation in its ability to long-term defense from such an arrogant, cynical and despicable enemy, which is the russian federation, that is why i would not like us not to discuss this live, because

in general, without seeing the position of one side , the other side can very easily here on er manipulative er, let's say theses that can now be and will definitely be thrown into the public space and form a completely false idea of ​​what the situation is in reality in the armed forces of ukraine , that's why i wouldn't er, but already if this happened, then let's help people understand that this is definitely not about a general trend of some uh -deteriorating attitude of sergeants to officers, and it is more likely a local conflict of uh, an individual person in a separate environment, because there are a lot of unfortunately people imagine

the army in their dreams and fantasies, completely not understanding how this hierarchy actually functions and what principles are laid down in the basis of the combat capability of army teams, and then when reality differs from those fantasies, they are bitterly disappointed, and the copper pipes warm up that everything around is wrong orientations and you are a dartanian here in a white suit, and that is why we see such uh-uh problems that come out. i am convinced that it was not spontaneous, that this conflict uh-uh actually matured for a long time and no one dared to do it again after all, because of a certain possible er publicity and let's say the intensity of action there in the public space er nobody wanted to bury it in advance, but we see that the consequences of such procrastination are now a public scandal well, everything has its price, every decision i talk about this almost constantly

that every decision, both action and inaction , has its consequences, this very situation is eloquent. this is confirmed. you won't do it and one day even more so they take you from the front suddenly they pull you out and put you and president zelensky in front of the cameras and then they send you back, you already said star, and on the other hand there is no such thing now that someone in pravda newspaper was called a hero, that is not why that now it can run away who can use it from the video of his assault and that's all and he is already a star as well and glad about it but how but that's not what it's all about andrei but not that every person i want because it's very important i i think that our viewers it is very important not to make generalizations, because now there are a lot of generalizers, all the military, they are especially some kind of uh, there must be uh problems in the head that

everyone is practically the same as before. civilians simply act in extreme conditions, and therefore, in a certain sense, in certain individual situations, you can really have some kind of heightened reaction, but make of them some kind of separate type of ukrainian nation, which there er-er also needs, let's say, almost barely the closure of medical institutions due to diseases in the head is completely delusional and it also has nothing to do with all the stress that is received in the war is identical to the stress that people receive when the same missiles and bombs fly into their buildings respond to a deadly threat and civilians also suffer from stress and to say that the civilian population is now uh bunnies and

panics and the military is uh practically 93% of zombies are affected, well that's wrong this is absolutely a generalization they are practically there was an assessment of the situation, this opinion that the military is some kind of demons injured, and so on, the project begins. today , this is the opinion that arestovich is trying to implement . people we have to thank and be indebted to because what the fsb is doing is right , why help the fsb to sow distrust in the ukrainian army and ukrainian society , our ability to win and to fight is the foundation of the activity of the armed forces yes

of the ukrainian nation in this long-term war e-e course of events and it is this faith e-e that serves our victories e-e on the front line in our e-e ability to keep peaceful cities in a life-sustaining condition because if there is no such faith in our victory of the army simply with their presence in kyiv and other cities finalize our defeat, that's why so many resources are spent on misleading about the real state of affairs, and here we can only talk about the fsb and sometimes theses that are heard on the telethon, which are also introduced online regarding the real state of affairs distorting reality in favor of rose-colored glasses. i think that we, in the conditions of extremely serious trials , which are combat operations , first of all, we had to learn to analyze and evaluate the situation in relation to reality, and not the desired rehearsed of some pink world that they are trying to plant in order to calm and

keep people calm there is nothing to calm down here we are fighting for survival and this is definitely not the sphere in which we should be calm we should be motivated we should be comprehensively prepared and we have sincerely work to win and help each other these components are not, let's say, a guarantee that we will emerge victorious from this terrible race in the race for our life and future if we assess the situation incorrectly, we make the wrong decision , the wrong decision in the fight for life simply reduces the chances of survival . this is what should be the foundation for, let's say, the assessment of the situation of each individual person and our society as a whole. this is in my opinion, i apologize if it does not coincide there with by certain assessments of other people thank you very much the russian-ukrainian war and the people's deputy of the eighth convocation was with

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