[000:00:00;00] and this is also clear and logical. i want everyone to understand. and we are civilized, adequate people. ukraine is fighting, and at the same time, it clearly understands that ukraine cannot be a member of nato while the war is going on. nato was ready. well, here it is probably inappropriate to criticize our delegations for demanding more, although adequacy and understanding of the situation is also an important matter in diplomacy, this is what is meant when you understand and show your partners

understanding that what you are asking for is impossible at this moment, but from the point of view of the internal audience there, that is, the ukrainian population of the people , from the point of view of our historical allies , let's say, who understand all the dangers , so to speak, of our non-participation in nato, it was necessary that's why this happened, but well it became clear that we will not have a specific date for joining nato and a specific plan . let's say that certain events took place, the impact of which we still do not fully understand , but it is the united states and the most european countries, the richest. what words are there, which in nato has a decisive position , so

to speak. european security or euro-atlantic security remains russia-centric, let's put it this way : ukraine is not a goal, ukraine is a means for them, well, at the moment, well, that is, they do not want to quarrel with russia to the end because even an official invitation issued at the vilnius summit could provoke russia, as they believe, and lead to irreversible actions that would be difficult to stop. and in this situation, they still leave room for maneuver for themselves and for russia. i understand well, it’s just that we may misunderstand the danger that you western countries assess, it’s not a nuclear war and it’s not the third world, it looks very beautiful and it’s easier to sell outside, so to speak, in principle, so the west

is afraid of some risks, so to speak, that is he is afraid, of course, but it is not like it was there 1.5 years ago, i think that the situation did not go in our direction after the so-called point brought when the western leaders of western intelligence understood how fragile the state system in general is in russia, they simply saw what would happen after that how can russia lose the war and what can happen, it won't even lose what can happen in general in the process of war with russia literally by 1-2 and it's a little probably still pushed them to the point that from the concept of victory to the end that is to the defeat of the devastating russia, then the exhaustion of russia and the arrival of some kind of soapy negotiations

with the preservation of the state system, let's say, that currently exists in russia, well, at least in the historical perspective of several years , the prime minister of estonia, kaya kallas , said at the summit that she understands disappointment of ukrainians, and it must be said that the baltic countries , poland, in particular, were the biggest lobbyists for ukraine. in this story, in the history of joining the north atlantic alliance, what else did kayakalas say at the nato summit in vilnius let's hear and see, i understand the disappointment and i mean that ukraine wants to live in peace as we live in peace, we are under the umbrella of nato and that is why russia does not attack us and ukraine wants the same, that is why i fully understand our debates were so hot because no one wants to make empty promises that we will be able

to fulfill, the general judgment is that everyone sees the future of ukraine in nato, it is only a matter of conditions to get there. plans appeared, well, that is, one procedure was replaced by another procedure that will constantly drag us back or at least bring us up to the standards of the north atlantic alliance, and well, it is clear that in this situation there were stories of countries that were part of the north atlantic alliance with neva homework albania had a high level of corruption and were there not those reforms that nato now requires in ukraine, or is it so important for nato that ukraine fulfills all these tasks and then as a result received some more homework, it is clear that we

there are quite a lot of problems in the country and they need to be solved, including the fight against corruption and judicial reform and infrastructural and institutional changes, well, that is, everything, everything, everything that can be presented to ukraine has now been presented , is this the main thing is in this situation and whether it can last for a long time is simply the fulfillment of all these conditions and a year two three four god knows how long it can last, i said about it on your air and in many others i say in the first month ukraine will become what will happen to us but not through the fulfillment of any conditions as a political one the will of the euro-atlantic alliance will simply be a political desire, a political will at a certain historical stage, let's say so here , not only about the albanians, but

it is possible to talk about the history of nato in general, when the united states and their allies end. a huge army and covering the borders with the soviet union, like turkey, yes. they didn't look at , well, they didn't look at much, let's say yes, and the same from albania, the balkan issues are solved there. that is, it's all political will of specific large states that solve their problems, let's say in a specific region , so i don't want to repeat myself, because i will say ah, while integration into nato is focused on russia and not on ukraine, yes, this will continue, and this is despite the fight against corruption, reforms , and all that well, in principle, i saw that the wave has already passed and many bloggers, many politicians

write about corruption, about what needs to be fought , about what to inform, that's all. to happen to me, this should be done in principle in order to be a normal european state, and because at the moment, as saliva said, it seems that the situation will be dynamic, therefore these events will be dynamic. that is, all the plans that are there now can be announced that in the next washington summit 24 25th year fourth year from fourth 24th year next year 75 years simply 75 years that we are now in the 24th year 23 are we living or all this can change 10 more times and this is us great

we understand how it was changing, remember how it was, how the west and ukraine, in principle, were preparing for well , for the situation there, for the counteroffensive, for the results, half a year ago, as we see the situation three months ago. the president of the czech republic, pavel, may be unpleasant for us to hear such words, but he is probably well, as a person who is, first of all, a military professional, yes, he is a friend of ukraine. he absolutely has friends . i just know who served with him in czechoslovakia or the soviet union, yes. that is, he is a person which well, maybe he can afford more there, he can frankly say that there is a window of opportunity to enter ukraine, he must solve territorial issues, that is, reclaim his territory and answer what line will there be, well, let's say what

the deadline is, it is not yet clear, he says about the end of autumn this year, maybe it is the end of spring there or next summer yes, but the situation is such that the western leaders of the western state at the moment feel unwillingness and inability even of the ukrainian authorities to make any territorial compromises well, it will look like breaking through the knee. this is what i understand, based on the logic of pavel's words, it should happen naturally. in ukraine itself. thank you, mr. oleksiy. it was oleksiy holobotsky, a political technologist. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live on our

platforms , please like this video and subscribe to our pages. of defense strategies oleksandr hara, mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our broadcast. yes, good evening, mr. sergey , thank you for the invitation . the summit is successful for ukraine , someone is not successful, that they expected much more, that there should have been a breakthrough, breakthroughs , this is not there. the council of ukraine, nato and the guarantees from the big seven that were signed today in vilnius. what do you say? how do you assess the results of this

summit ? what did it give to ukraine and what did it not add? of ukraine's accession to nato, it is clear that nato's accession would take place later after the end of this war, and this formula suited absolutely all of us. i mean the ukrainian authorities and the ukrainian expert community. unfortunately this did not happen and we can safely say that in fact the distance from bucharest to vilnius is not so great, there are many positive things that are written in the documents and were heard at this summit, but on the other hand, this ambiguity remained regarding the fact itself or the date of joining nato there they confirmed that ukraine ukraine is waiting for uh and that means they support and all that other stuff, that 's why we didn't receive this political signal of

course i think this is a historical mistake was made. four months later, russia invaded georgia. well, and then already in the 14th, it is not a pity that, first of all, the american germans did not understand that it would be right to take such a step that would not guarantee ukraine's accession to nato in the near future. that is, there over the course of a year or more, but putin would actually move away from the idea that he has the right to veto is not cool and can do something , on the other hand, of course, since they accepted the ukrainian president, and through him, our defense forces and the entire ukrainian people are of course it is extremely, let's say yes, it causes such a feeling to very, very much i don't know emotional and of course what the hosts themselves did and how they tried to make this summit successful and for ukraine it

certainly deserves special thanks and well by and large, the president also said about it, he had the same emotional speech before his own lithuanians, this is a separate story, then the format that was initiated by the nato council of ukraine, ukraine considers it as a tool for getting closer to nato membership, and this there is a consultative migration mechanism, a very interesting detail, the secretary general was asked if there is a possibility to block some decisions within it, well, first of all, referring to mr. orbán , he said no, the chairman will actually solve all issues, although all are equal, and in this way, this procedure will not give hungary the opportunity block something or anyone else. it is a pity that this principle does not work in nato itself when decisions are made that affect ukraine, but in any

case it is a positive thing, and the third point - these are actually those long-term assurances to ukraine. to be honest, i don't like the word security guarantees, because they are not like that. if you read the group of seven document that was made public, there is no mention of guarantees. i should have called guarantees of aid or security of assistance to ukraine . there it is in practically because the process has only now been launched and in fact each g7 country will help out on a bilateral level that the legislation allows it there is such and such a language a and actually what are the capabilities but the most important thing is that this is long-term help to ukraine not only during this war, but also in order to deter future russian aggression , and the most important thing is that it is actually designed to prove ukraine 's ability to join nato , the key points that we need

are foreign systems are listed there and brothers but this also er means long-range missiles , including mention of er means combat aviation . well, of course, there are separate additional points regarding, for example, er aid to ukraine and its industrial potential, because it is clear that we we have to provide ourselves with the most necessary things, but now there is a hunger for weapons. it shows how wrong some of our decisions were. the decisions of even previous governments and previous presidents can be criticized, both this one and poroshenko and before him, that we did not build such capabilities that we were not prepared before the war, in fact, the model of the second world war, where it required so many shells, a very important moment was that mr. chancellor of germany said that there is a delay or this is this signal that they did not give us that

ukraine will become in the near future and this was launched mechanism, this is not such a chip for negotiations with the russian federation. he said that ukraine will be in nato, but definitely. it requires a certain process that ukraine must carry out and follow a certain path. of course, this is a positive thing. sullivan to the person who actually shapes the opinion of joseph biden and the strategy on our side, er, she actually asked what she should say to her son when returning from this summit, is there a prospect of ukraine being a member, so that he does not have to fight again with the russian federation salvan a little let's say yes, well, he answered this quite coolly, from an intellectual point of view , everything was clear, but all the values ​​are

questions, and with the account, in general, how is this one and unjustified, overestimated, the truth of our expectations, i would say yes that ukrainian idealism and, in fact, american german pragmatism or realism collided, they did not want to, let's say, escalate the situation with the russian federation, they usually say that russia does not have the right of veto and is trying to to do, but on the other hand, such an indirect signal was nevertheless given , well, in any case , they do not want a direct conflict, and this is what is holding back, this is what is holding back not only the provision of certain types of weapons . he said that he was giving us these scalps, but he immediately determined the area of ​​use of these scalps, that is, the territory of ukraine, unfortunately , so far there is no progress on the issue of whether we can use western weapons on the actual

russian territory for military reasons of the territory of the russian federation, well, in general, he is , well, normal, but i would say that, unfortunately, he did not become historic , unfortunately, our expectations were not met , but he was definitely not a failure, and of course , criticism is especially emotional. let's say that the president of ukraine vita, where he criticized this language that was laid in the final column, but it can be understood. of course , ukrainians are killed every day , ukrainian cities are destroyed every day, and every day, in theory , the entire ukrainian society lives in this, and you you know, i literally read interesting comments before the broadcast, so old american diplomats say that if biden and sullivan think that zelensky was too persistent or maybe he was not very polite in his demands, then let them remember

the words of vdalova and other central european leaders who thought that the window of the opportunity to join nato is closing, and how they behaved then, that is, in principle, it cannot be assumed that public criticism of our president , or towards nato, is of any kind a diplomatic not uncommon thing, which well, the glass is not out of place, roughly speaking, absolutely everything is fine. well, i don’t even know, maybe it played a role in the fact that it was announced the next day right here , oleksandr, the main question is when will ukraine become a member of nato, the answer to this is a question that the leaders of the north atlantic alliance give the same answer to after the war, after the hostilities have ended, considering that the end of the hostilities and ukraine's accession

to nato are clearly connected, doesn't this mean that the russian federation will now do everything to ensure that hostilities in any form in the form of shelling in the occupation , annexation of the territory, the creation of gray zones on the territory of ukraine, the russian federation, that this will be the tool they will constantly use and in order to hinder we should go under this security umbrella of nato, well, you are absolutely right that russia perceives nato as a threat, although in fact this alliance is not a threat to russia if russia does not attack it, and we saw it from the point of view of even this ammunition hunger, it is just shows that the europeans did not prepare for a war with the russian federation and therefore saved money on their own security by reducing the production of niche weapons and ammunition, but on the other hand, you

know, russia does not need to be provoked. it will always find a reason to carry out some kind of aggression or to continue the war, and that's why the most important issue for us is to ensure the same level of support for ukraine in terms of finances, weapons , ammunition, and others, and of course , intelligence and other things next year because we have certain political restrictions, the most important restriction is the elections in the united states in november of next year, today one of the trumpians in the house of representatives, margerine taylor greene, said that she introduced a bill that should actually deprive ukraine 300 million dollars for, let's say, included in the defense budget of the united states . in addition, she introduced a bill for the united states to withdraw from nato in general, and

let's remember that trump quite often said that nato is not needed at all. of course he played a positive role in the fact that europeans began to pay more for their own security. but trump in his second term will be an absolutely uncontrollable trump. because he will not need to go through the motions , that's why we have elections in the united states in europe there are also problematic moments because this is a democracy and of course the citizens of the european union look at this conflict in different ways, if you look at literally the eve of it, it was absolutely based on polls of public opinion and member states nato, bulgaria, somewhere up to 60% of citizens are against providing aid to ukraine, and of course we highly appreciate the efforts of the government, which has been helping us from the very beginning of the large-scale invasion, despite such a lack of acceptance. it means that this situation

is objective. you don't look through russian propaganda, because of historical myths , that's exactly why there is a weak point, and it's the europeans, plus, of course. we are also fighting for them, and to what extent will the american and actually european industry be able to stand on the wheels of war and it does not mean to supply us with these cartridges, relatively speaking , this is also a question, therefore, for us, these are all these problems, which are now the most important thing to ensure such support next year, because it is obvious that if a miracle does not happen and we, of course, the only thing that christians believe in the miracle of the resurrection of christ, and all the others rely more on eh. let's say this is a logical calculation this year. territories, accordingly, we need to prepare for the next campaign

as well, and for this we need the same no less support, not least from our western partners. and this is exactly what we should focus on as an expert community, as citizens of ukraine lobbying for these and those topics in the west this afternoon, holding the second day themselves, nato, the un secretary general sent a letter to putin with proposals for the extension of the grain agreement, guterish's office said that the un secretary general is ready to interact with russia regarding his proposals regarding the grain agreement, that is, well there, among the list of what russia wants is to remove obstacles to the operations of the agricultural bank. and actually from the hotel, he says that it is necessary to ensure the further work of the black sea initiative, well , to put it simply, the un secretary general is ready to talk to putin in order for him to open a corridor

for ukrainian ships, why does he not have any right to block this corridor or in what way to shoot there or not to let in with the help of weapons these caravans of grain they must leave ukraine hotelish such a way , say, legitimizes what he wants and what he likes leads later because well, what other letters with proposals regarding the extension of the grain agreement, that is, maybe we should behave like the president of turkey, who, without listening to and without agreeing with russia, handed over the commanders of azov to ukraine, well, it was probably related things, most likely erdoğan understands that putin is not just continuing to blackmail by withdrawing from this agreement. but he already made a decision on the 17th not to extend it . that is exactly why irdagan made such a move

. by the way, he did not explain at the summit. details, but he said that at first they stormed into the crimea and then, well, they actually had a positive attitude to it. well, that’s how i understand that mr. redagan will bring from this himself a permit for the purchase and modernization in 16, and in this way . thank god that relations with, first of all, with the combined states, as well as with the european union, which is of course in our interests. i am not talking about the actual membership , the unblocking of sweden's path to membership in nato, boss, because it is most likely a package for a package thing, but you are absolutely right that mr. putin speaks a different language, and therefore the ideas of involving turkey in this agreement or some separate agreement with ukraine are extremely appropriate

. bulker ships leaving from ukrainian ports, but for example , you can imagine that actually turkish bulkers under the turkish flag can enter the port of odesa and then take out this grain and we will see if putin is stupid enough to attack such as, say, ships, and since turkey does this not only from the point of view of international prestige, although this is also very important, the east is also very important for erdogan , because he was the person who found a compromise with russia and this grain agreement was concluded and it worked for a certain and by and large russia and no one else violates it, and on the other hand, this grain is very important for turkey, since they have their own internal problems, such as economic ones, which began in the 16th year with the arrival of trump, and so far they cannot drink of these

problems because of course that turkey with a smaller amount of ukrainian grain, this will mean greater internal pressure on the on on the let's say so on the irdagan on the ego of the government that's why i think that such an innovative option can be applied. i do not agree with him, they control the straits, there is a mantra convention that allows you to stop and look after certain ships if the fears are safe and you can understand that in certain ships and by the way, there were such facts when , for example, in the same russian ports ships came loaded with weapons and then killed us, so it would be possible to organize certain, let's say, monitoring , screening and delaying of russian ships, and i think that this would also be a good, heavy impact . thank you, mr. oleksandr , unfortunately, the time of our program is coming to an end thank you for the conversations, it was oleksandr hara, a diplomat, friends , we are working live on the espresso tv

channel for those who are currently watching us on youtube , please like this video, i say goodbye to you until the next program, i wish you all good health, take care of yourself and your loved ones goodbye security guarantees for ukraine instead of an invitation to nato, we are talking about it today live from london on the air in the fall from ukraine . i am yevgenia shedlovska. in truth , it was nato that concluded the two-day meeting of the leaders of the alliance countries, from which significant results were expected in kyiv. in the end, ukraine is promised security guarantees are not promised by nato, but by the group of seven, membership of the joint alliance is possible without the pdc, but under other conditions and also due to important events during which the first meeting of the council of ukraine nato took place - this is a new format interaction of the ukrainian leadership with