[000:00:00;00] europe, therefore, today all the cards, all the jokers are in our hands, well, what is a possible step-by-step plan of action for us, what to initiate before the next summit in the united states of america, which will take place next summer, we have already obtained the desired result, three are enough simple things , first, speed up the supply of weapons to us, that is, speak clearly if you told us that there will be 20 tanks today, they should be today, not tomorrow, not in a month, and this is a question of the negotiation process, the quality of the negotiation process, the second component of the military-industrial complex , military-industrial production in its country it must be, it must be synchronized, that is, if we are talking about projectiles or missiles that our partners must transfer to us, we must show that we also make repair bases, production bases , tank bases, projectile bases, and so on

. they must see that we also we understand the priority and the third component, you know it, win the war like this . well, let's discuss it. of course, the meeting that took place within the framework of this, the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi had a lot of productive meetings. meetings immediately after which new aid and military support packages appeared and the meeting with the president of the united states of america, joseph biden, was expected, and in the end, as the president answered during the press conference , he said that the question was being discussed, but there is no solution. did you expect a solution to the attacks at this summit? yes, but i understand the difficulties that the political elites

of the united states have today. of cluster ammunition, they received a flurry of critics, including from partners, but they still went for this decision, this is a fantastic decision, it clearly shows again that the united states is interested in ukraine having certain resources, including resources that today meet the tasks at hand before us, what is the key task at this stage of hostilities in the east and south of our country, mini fields and the first echelon and the second standard of defense of the russian federation , cluster ammunition allows solving these issues, the second component is definitely the president absolutely correct negotiation about atakamsa and you know that the french have already agreed to a decision, this is also long-range missiles, the same as the storm , even before the british ones, which will allow us to significantly speed up the destruction of the logistical support of the russian operational group, it has already been accepted unconditionally we will continue to talk with the americans why

because to attacks from this is a slightly more destructive long-range missile with a longer range, which means that it is possible to wipe out practically everything that concerns, for example, the crimean peninsula, where the key strategic bases of russia are the key a reserve in this war for russia and russia is panicking about it, that's why it is necessary for them to constantly disrupt it, talk, provoke information leaks, that's why , again, i am completely calm about what is happening today. i want to say that the united states is absolutely consistent in everything, they provide everything that we we say yes, there is a certain period of time between the start of negotiations and the transfer why because the united states must take care of the global space must take into account all the nuances that arise must take into account the position of other large countries and so

further, but everything is fine. they are worried and provide us with all the necessary weapons , and they will also provide us with attacks . there is no doubt in my mind, and the president says that we have an active conversation within the framework of bilateral dialogues . stated while talking to journalists that he is not going to convince biden whether ukraine needs nato, but of course he thanked the congress and mr. biden directly personally for their support, and it is interesting that mr. ukraine will strengthen nato from its side as well as nato to strengthen ukraine, are there still ukrainian members of the alliance who are not certain about this ? well, probably yes. do we have the opportunity to work on the diplomatic level, probably first of all during this year, so that this unanimity and unity would still be because many people are talking about it of the leaders on the fields said exactly that when there will be unanimity and unity and this principle still applies, it has not changed, but then a collegial decision will be made mr.

zelensky perfectly correctly constructs the opinion , there is no doubt that if you approach analysts of what is happening today within the framework of the war, there is no doubt that ukraine, which directly has a huge experience of using the same nato weapons in a huge war , will absolutely be well integrated into the general experience of nato. this is obvious, just as it is for us. it is important that we prioritize if russia, well, let's say yes, there is again inadequate putin 2:0 became the president, they are again chauvinism, we ourselves are great and so on, we will not say here what word we are in, but in the meantime and so on and then nato should be accordingly if it is already an organization of which we are a member, it should provide us with all the appropriate weapons , everything that is needed without any additional consultations and so on, this is an obvious mutual

synergy that we and nato accordingly need , besides, for nato, ukraine will win the war , a symbol of a huge war and the winner of this war. this will absolutely destroy the desire of other small, inadequate countries to start conflicts somewhere, because if russia was the largest aggressive country that behaved, you know, like such gopniks мы это мы это сейчас сделаем и так далее if she lost and the nato member is now the country that defeated this gopkin, it means that other countries will think very, very long before starting a conflict somewhere because ukraine will appear there, everyone will be afraid of the word ukraine is an obvious thing, but let's move on to practice, it is necessary to explain everything about it at different levels, you must always say the same thing, you and i are of the same blood. we are just like you for democracy. we are just as

ready to die for freedom, even more so that we have already shown it, but it must be said, it must be said, because in all countries you look at the modern world in an absolutely pragmatic way, you do not look at it idealistically, in all countries there are relevant individuals who for some reason believe that they understand this world much better and they they come out and say yes and no, why should we support ukraine, we are on our own here and so on and so on. that is why we must always tell the communities of these countries why it is beneficial for them to have partnership relations with the winning country what will ukraine be like, these are very important elements, that is, we should not be complacent. yes, we look good in terms of information on foreign markets, but today and tomorrow it may be a different situation because russia is working on a large scale and so on, so you and i have to repeat the same thing exactly as many times as necessary for that, until the end of the war, we will repeat all this, that's all, you and i will

repeat the same thing in this studio , ukraine is an integral and the only basic part today for global security. why is there no contour because russia dominates because force dominates violations of international law dominates lawlessness dominates if ukraine then all this is not there and then you in our partner countries live as you are used to do not be afraid that a cruise missile will fly to you you said at the beginning of our conversation that you would like to hear more statements from nato countries regarding the fact that russia is an aggressor country, a terrorist country , tougher statements of positions as well. by the way, on our broadcast today , the american diplomat kurt volker spoke

he had enough of these statements in general, he says that nato thus encourages putin to continue the war . throughout the territory of ukraine, an air alert signal. what do you think is the mood there in russia? they didn't hear what i would like them to hear. let's put it this way . you know, the emotional insult of the russian political elite is very important. to sit on the dock, that's what they didn't hear, but they absolutely definitely heard something else, they heard that ukraine will be an integral part of nato, firstly, secondly, they heard that russia no longer exists for nato. who can say you don't go here, you stand there, you can until 97 of the year to leave because we believe that it is quite problematic for our security circuit, they heard that no one is reckoning with russia anymore and this is the most important thing, but they did not hear it directly, and i would like to, and here

i completely agree with mr. volker i would like it to be declared. i would like nato to historically use this moment in vilnius to say, look, russia is not the country that unfortunately, for a long time, we all feared, this is russia, a rather primitive country. russia is a country that does not know how to fight except the quantitative zhukovsky table and so on. russia is a country that can only control something in itself through repression. russia is a country where the king is naked because no one supports him. voronezh and lipetsk and go practically to moscow. i wanted them to say that because it would then finally lead russia forward to a revolutionary state because russia itself would react to it as follows: the tsar is absent, let us have a new tsar and start the revolutionary process, but this

was not enough, but meanwhile, everything is fine, russia saw concretely the determination of nato to fully i mean collegially not just individual countries but collegially in full to support ukraine to provide all the necessary tools to speed up this provision and clearly to say in ukraine that you are an integral part of the democratic space , so that today no one spoke like that, you did not hear the invitation. that otherwise it will be an illogical process, we have seen all this and russia , by the way, this

is also clear. you are fighting aggressively, you want to somehow nullify the hot phase there, but in a year, relatively speaking, there will be a clear signal or invitation to washington and ukraine will be in nato, on the other hand, a year will pass. ukraine will be in nato, the third world war will somehow turn out, you know, from the point of view of the russians . what is it? what is so bad, you know? i will just ask a counter question. cornering russia can't bakhmut take 224 days who will fight in the third world who is this country that is ready to challenge nato i'm just russia i'm her another question i had was what do you think about see what solutions were worked out today at the summit on the fields of the nato summit and the announced prospects for ukraine regarding simplified one-step e-e membership, what do you think their next steps will be, how

difficult will it be we have weapons, we have poseidon, now berlin destroyed it, russia is a completely predictable country. it can only puff up its angry cheeks and so on, not only that, but this is also a problem at this time. yes, it is a problem for us because they have a huge mobilization potential. they have a huge accumulated soviet weapons potential and we have to destroy it. but what kind of third world is it? third world russia can't win a war in ukraine, which was itself a neutral country. let me remind you that we were not a member of nato. unfortunately, it is not a great pity, they did not re-equip their army, they did not pass the soviet standard, we will not understand

why we did not do it in 32 years, but in the meantime it was not all done, but all the same, ukraine will win this war despite the fact that today everything looks difficult we are carrying out offensive operations powerfully, but we are advancing slowly because we need to destroy a large army called the russian federation , a small army that will be modern and large in terms of quantity, and there is a problem if the tool is a little more if long-range missile aviation and so on. it would be faster, but in the meantime, what is the third world, there is no russia, russia today is a dying country, today it is leaving the common human space, that is, in this form, russia will no longer exist, there will be no russia, which will dominate something there, will dictate something to someone will speak because it was a fatal mistake, and here i will return to those positions of 1997, about which you have already spoken, when

the decision was made to make russia a member of the russian council of nato, when a proposal was made to russia practically became a member of nato when a proposal was made for russia to develop itself, it is a democratic country and so on, now all this will be corrected, but not within the framework of the third world war, there will be no third world war, there will be a ukrainian-russian war, a war that must end with the defeat of the empire which is not modern, that is, an empire that is already dead , it just doesn't know it yet, it's a zombie empire , i'm sorry that i use such a populist word, but there is this empire that does not understand that it is not modern, it is not competitive and so on, and russia must reach its finale. unfortunately, at the expense of our lives, that is, the lives of ukrainians who are fighting on the front lines today, that's

the problem. objectively to the people who are during the war in ukraine, i would like it to be a little bit articulated so that you know the barbarian, how once in history there were not destroyed civilizations developed yes european countries at that time, well , what were territorially in europe, it was worth it would still unite with other countries to oppose them because they were quantitatively not equipped with such modern experienced scientists and in principle this is what we should talk about now that we are opposing russia, it would be good to examine even five times more than ukrainians, to unite quantitatively with the europeans, of course, and to oppose them would be good , but there is a nuance, for example, i understand everything

, but there is a nuance. responsibility and go even when you are in the minority ukraine is ready and others are not but others are behind us and they will help you they will help the brave and they help and at the summit in vilnius they demonstrated it they help you they help the brave and this means that we will reach the final you just need to clearly do your job, which specifically believe that the armed forces understand exactly what they are doing , you need to understand that the president understands exactly what he is doing from the point of view of weapons, from the point of view of air defense , from the point of view of long-range missiles of armored vehicles he is absolutely in a number, you know what a number is when you understand mathematics. and why the president allows himself more drastic statements , i

will explain because he sees the number and he speaks. which minimize our losses and speed up offensive operations, that's what we're talking about, but regarding the legal status . well, for example, an invitation or not an invitation, for me the priority here is weapons, weapons and weapons. war after we win well, they will tell us, please, did you go through this step , you are members of nato 1:20 it would be good, you said that the president is not afraid to intensify the rhetoric and change it to a more harsh and harsh one, and indeed many people wrote about the fact that the president criticized nato before the summit itself and at the press conference journalists reminded the president of this and joseph biden reacted to the disappointment

, so to speak, of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi and the ukrainians and is completely understanding, says i understand why you you are disappointed because this is your life, to what extent that essay justified itself, so to speak, and helped in this at this summit , absolutely justified, the president perfectly uses tactical tools in order to strengthen the emotional color of rhetoric or, on the contrary, reduce the emotional color of rhetoric, and this indicates that it is alive the politics of something that is often lacking and in this way it definitely affects because people directly feel the emotion of ukraine through the president of ukraine and therefore they react to it differently. so they are not ready, maybe right away to change certain decisions that were worked out collegially in them. but they understand emotions and therefore they behave differently and they are forced to come out and say we understand this

emotion, we are ready and they go to certain other agreements, this is the negotiation tactic used by the president of ukraine today because the president is worried that he is not a political component traditional for the global political process, but a country that is at war, everything is very simple, if there was another country, he would probably adhere to some rules. and he has ukraine behind his back, mr. mykhailo, thank you for this hour. thank you for being with us for all your comments. mykhailo podolyak, adviser to the head of the office of the president of ukraine, was with us in this studio at 20:00, dear viewers. we hope that you are in shelters and watching from there . according to the operational situation in the country, there is a large-scale air alert , it is connected with the launch of caliber missiles by the russians both in the western direction and

shahedov from the northern direction . break-off and that's why we urge you to be in shelters before the signals from the battle of the air alarm, there are also reports from the mass media about e-e explosions about the work of air defense in several areas, in particular, as reported by the public news in khmelnytskyi , the sound of an explosion was heard. this is reported by the correspondents of the public about the sound explosions in the region were also reported in the khmelnytskyi regional military administration of the lower regions , an air alert continues in the air forces of the armed forces of ukraine, they reported the movement of winged caliber in the direction of the western regions well, in the capital, we also heard the very loud work of the anti-aircraft defense forces. as of now, the kyiv city military administration reports that as a result of the air attack on kyiv, as of

1:39 a.m. in the solomyansk district of the capital, the probable fall of debris was recorded, its damage was confirmed, the victims were being clarified, emergency services went to the scene of the accident, the information was being clarified, and in fact, we already have photos from the near-fall of debris in the solomyansky district, as well as in the udarnytskyi district and in the shevchenkivskyi district, because ah there was an update of operational information from the kyiv city military administration. therefore, as a result of an air attack on kyiv, the probable fall of debris in the shevchenkiv district on the fifth floor of a high-rise residential building in the darnytskyi district was recorded . emergency services first went to the technical floor of a multi-story residential building to the site of damage and victims the number of victims is being updated in advance, there is currently updated information in the darnytskyi

district as a result of falling debris, there are two injured people are given medical assistance, information is being clarified, serhii popko, the head of the kyiv city military administration, thought about it, and the fall of debris was recorded in the podilskyi district, there was also a fire in a separate warehouse building on an area of ​​20 m², further information is being clarified, we urge you under no circumstances to remove it to explain the work of force against air defense and also not to spread information about the work of our tactical aviation because it protects not only our sky but also our lives do not interfere military to do its job follow our broadcast we continue to work live tonight so that you get all the information live tv channel rada in marathon until six in the morning so stay with

us, well, as usual at the beginning at the beginning of the results in this half hour quote of the day 89% of ukrainians want ukraine to become a member of nato . ukrainians consider it unacceptable to refuse to join nato for the sake of peace or security guarantees from individual countries. at the institute of sociology, they are more than eloquent. society consolidated on this issue and demonstrates a unified view and the first theme. during this time, we remember the beginning and development and the present of nato, and of course in this context we are talking about the country. so, nato as an organization of the north atlantic treaty was created another 4 in april 1949, to counterbalance the soviet spanish in europe after the second world war

, the united states pedaled the creation of the alliance as an effective tool to prevent the revival of nationalist tendencies in in europe, the launch of nato was preceded by the junker treaty, when great britain and france in 1947 created an alliance to protect against a possible attack by germany in the future. so, in this way, the movement of the alliance 12 founding members of nato , the united states, great britain, belgium, canada, denmark , france, iceland, italy, luxembourg, the netherlands , norway, portugal, these countries created the alliance of collective security, then there is the principle of mutual protection by military and political means if a member state faces an external threat, the principle of collective of defense, better known as the fifth article of the nato charter, the parties agree that an armed attack on one or more of them in europe or north america will be considered an attack on them as a whole and therefore agree that in the event that such an armed attack has place each of them, in order to exercise

the right to individual or collective self-defense recognized by article 51 of the un charter , shall provide assistance to the party or parties who have been attacked by means of non- it considers it necessary, including the use of armed forces, for the restoration and further preservation of the security of the north atlantic region. by the way, already in 1955, the ussr created a counterweight to the organization of the warsaw pact , the communist countries of europe joined the military bloc, now you can see their names on their screens, in particular , the warsaw bloc consisted of albania, bulgaria, the german democratic the republic of poland , romania, ussr, hungary, czechoslovakia were not destined to be stable and enduring in this bloc, albania already left the bloc in 1968 and after the unification of germany in october 1990, bulgaria left the format and, accordingly, the gdr because it ceased to exist. the collapse of the ussr from 1991 stimulated interest in nato in other countries

, because the so-called cold war, the format of the confrontation between the soviets and the soviet union with a collective developed measure, prompted the search for formats of the new security system in europe already in 1999, the members of the visegrad group , hungary, poland and the czech republic joined the alliance in 1999, and in 5 years, the so-called vilnius group, albania, croatia, bulgaria, estonia joined nato latvia lithuania romania slovakia and slovenia joins montenegro in the 17th championship and in the 20th north macedonia in the alliance there are already 30 participating countries volodymyr i congratulate you volodymyr fesenko political scientist in this match i would like to remind myself and the audience to you and so briefly yes congratulations, briefly, how was the development of nato

, and i will tie in with the first question, you know, we have already discussed. of the russian federation, that they still haven't figured out how to confront this russian bear collectively, how do you imagine it? well, first of all, i experienced the fact that there really weren't any direct military clashes with the soviet union or the warsaw pact. with russia, but the very existence of nato ensured, let's say, this peaceful period precisely because there was no attack, i think that the soviet union was also afraid of attacks , they risked going into direct conflict with the soviet union, but the very existence of nato was a deterrent against the soviet union aggression and russia, many western experts are now writing about this. russia attacked those countries that were not under the nato umbrella, georgia, then our

country. unfortunately, they did not dare to attack, and there is one more important result, if you compare it with nato's counterpart in the post-soviet in the space with the odcb, the so-called odcb is now demonstrating the leadership, in particular , of this block between individual countries in nato uh , well, there are tensions between greece and turkey, but the existence of nato also restrains any conflicts within this alliance, but in my opinion, this hookah is also important, it provides security inside and around you, and it is the security umbrella, this collective protection, that is what attracts us to nato, and it is the driving force of our integration into nato on and this, i think, is the main thing in the existence of this bloc. the thesis that ukraine will settle in nato nato supports

and must support ukraine it is really working and it has the right to exist absolutely the next subtopic is too much development let's remember how the alliance actually developed so over the decades nato has improved and become more confident the open door policy of the alliance enshrined in article 10 of the washington treaty gave the opportunity to join nato to any european country that can strengthen and contribute to the security of the north atlantic region, which seeks nato membership that they will contribute to the security of the alliance and become its beneficiaries aggressive and unfriendly movements towards its neighbors on the part of the russian federation did not begin in 2014, of course, the annexation of crimea, the capture