[000:00:00;00] munitions are nato countries that have signed a declaration on their non-proliferation and non-use, such as germany. well, there are more than 100 countries, and there are countries that have not signed it, such as the united states, russia has not signed it, ukraine has not signed it, and we absolutely need them for in order to protect its territory, and germany , consistently leading the policy, says that it is not necessary to do this, although i know that russia uses it. inductions have been received, and if we communicate with each country separately, this gives us the opportunity and the government of each country can make a decision to transfer this or that ammunition to us. therefore, it is now important to work with each country separately and take from the non-guarantee . if you read this final declaration that was published on the website of the president of ukraine , it is mentioned there that the armed forces, in particular, should receive independent civilian control, what

can this mean and how to put it, what kind of control is this? independence, free control is the control of civil society over the armed forces over the ministry of defense, we are already trying to do this and now i will say it. the councils are the control of public society with the help of public organizations and specially there special bodies that will monitor further, there is a conditional commission of some kind and it will monitor this day, this is exactly about internal affairs yes yes yes and internal affairs when in any democratic country there is civilian control over the armed forces - this is free control over the special services because we understand that only in totalitarian countries it is all closed and you cannot get there because it is the vertical of the president and they work for them no

, we do all this, we expand it, we reveal it so that we have er, let's say if the institutes are working, they are constantly gradually gaining some capabilities , please, doesn't it look like the west is predicting a long-term war between russia and ukraine, and therefore, in fact, there was no invitation to nato , kuleba said. for example, in an interview with radio svoboda, there were no very clear conditions. that is, everyone talks about these conditions, but there is no such clarity as to what these conditions should look like in practice . i don't think they are predicting a long war in ukraine, they just don't know. and in our country, no one knows, and in russia, even no one knows when this war will end from the point of view of military resources and in russia federation and we are in favor with the help of our partners, we have the resources to start a war this long, realistically, how long. it is probably even difficult to say about it, but there are other issues, for example, the prigozhin effect

, as i call it, or there are others who can speed it up from a military point of view, once again i say both sides and we, with the help of our partner russia, can conduct an agreement and not the united states . at the moment, no one knows when it will end and they really understand that it will not end in the near future, so predict for a longer time than we thought that there will be in may we will be in crimea. and in june we will be at the borders of 20 91. today you already mentioned cluster munitions from the states , but here are the american ballistic missiles of the ground class, the range of which can vary up to 300 km, depending on the modification, why is the united states still in no hurry hand them over to ukraine, what is holding them back from your point of view, well, let's say this, first of all, we will talk about the attacks right now, first of all, for

our information, they don't have so many er, which er, let's say and secondly, look at me i think that everything that they are sure of, they passed on. i know the points and nuances of using each type of weapon in this war , which ones recommended themselves well, which ones did not, which went there for processing, which went for refinement. therefore, it is possible that we will soon see them and the question is, what are we going to say? maybe they are trying to change something in the realities of this war, because there are times when the allies in ukraine only hand over weapons they are sure of, which have been checked correctly, or which are not, which we have determined, what is there is an application type pony

because we know that our partners there have fought recent wars with the enemy, as a rule, not hmm technically not the same as the russian federation, not as developed there, wars in the same afghanistan or in the same iraq, all the same, they were an order of magnitude higher in terms of technology, but here it is real the modern army, whatever it is, if it is a means of rap yes, it looks like a mountain yes, there are not the latest technologies, but it is a means, an effective means of rap that can completely silence everything that flies , for example, over the city or there are the same missiles that they want, they are working on what we short questions for you: russia will consider the appearance in kyiv of an f-16 fighter jet capable of non-nuclear weapons as a threat from the west in the nuclear sphere . i think about it, it is not so stretched, we can see, as they already say, for the next quarter, yes, of course , it is not a quick matter, but we would like to. i think you have already flown a little higher over our territory and would have already protected our sky. there are also other

diplomatic nuances to what extent it will affect exactly i think it will be affected by whether or not to transfer this decision within the nato country and its owners that it is time to transfer . i think now is a chance for russia to think again about whether it can continue to carry out the war, mr. roman, thank you very much for this activation, roman kostenko, secretary of the parliamentary committee on national security, defense and intelligence , people's deputy of ukraine, colonel of the sbu, was a guest of our broadcast, we are not amazon, the minister of defense of great britain, which was already mentioned by our cosmen zoryana stepanenko today - ben voles advised ukraine to pay more attention to gratitude with the help of the event, recalling how he went to ukraine last year. to quote, to get a list of weapons that should be bought , he said this on the sidelines of the nato summit in the lithuanian capital vilnius, writes gardin. so ben voles commented on president zelensky's sharp reaction to the absence clear deadlines for ukraine's accession to nato, no matter what, but people want to see a little more gratitude

, zelensky himself said at the final press conference, he freely reacted to threw his hair back and noted that ukraine has always been grateful to great britain for its help. how do we still need to thank ? zelenskyi asked the question. compensate thanks in the eight-minute clip , he thanked the presidents and representatives of the partner countries more than 40 times after the nato summit for the security guarantees and support provided ukraine's entry into the alliance, military aid, etc. we will not weaken in our support for ukraine with these words, joe biden spoke at the vilnius university at the end of the nato summit, according to biden, nato is now stronger and more united than ever before, despite putin's expectation that the alliance will fall apart due to the war in ukraine, the us president expressed admiration for the fact that after a year and a half of russia's invasion

, ukraine remains independent and partners will continue to support ukraine, says biden , we will not give up, we will not give up, i am serious, our commitment to ukraine will not weaken we will defend freedom and independence today, tomorrow and as long as it takes, we all want this war to end only under conditions that support the basic principles of the charter of the united nations by which everyone signed sovereignty , territorial integrity by the president, a meaningful, strong meeting , zelensky wrote on social networks after the end of the conversation with biden. he told what was said about the situation on the front lines long-term defense cooperation and internal russian processes in view of recent events, we are probably talking about the recent prigozhyn mutiny, but here the wind and zelenskyi told how they and biden could not agree to

a meeting that was at least twice as long as planned and exactly as meaningful as it should be if the protocol had not stopped the meeting we we would have talked even longer, all topics continued support, weapons , politics, nato, we clearly see how to end this war with our joint victory. thank you, mr. president, the white house confirmed that the presidents talked about the ukrainian counteroffensive, the further support of the states , as well as washington's readiness to start negotiations with kyiv regarding bilateral obligations in the field of security. the cameras even answered the journalists' questions volodymyr zelenskyi thanked baydin for the cluster munitions that the united states recently decided to transfer to ukraine and for support for ukraine's accession to nato.

i want to thank all the americans who understand that it is more than 43 billion. today this is a lot of support and i understand that it is all your money, but you should know that you are spending this money not only on the fight, you are spending this money on our lives and i think that we are saving life for europe and for the whole world. so, thank you very much for this summit . biden said that he understands zelensky when he is upset about the speed with which things needed by kyiv reach ukraine , but he assured that he is doing everything possible to speed up this process and promised ukraine will be in nato, at the end of the communication by the journalists themselves, someone from the press shouted a question to the byde about what you could hear about how quickly the war will end and how quickly ukraine will become a member of nato, and

the president of the united states actually answered this with such a wonderful what we were able to hear must be analyzed because the topic is really important alexa the ocean political scientist joins the broadcast freedom morning my congratulations to you are not mutual, so what did you read on facebook, you wrote there about what a funny summit you are satisfied with, is everything really so good and is ukraine really did it get so close to nato, or maybe it just didn’t move away from it? why did ukraine get closer in all directions ? what if you live in a world where unicorns walk and pink stuffed animals are found in every park, then you can be disappointed with such a result if you start from the position of what happened on started the situation a few months ago , and in general, what is the state of nato today and what did they themselves think they could do, the evolution

is obvious in all directions that were in ukraine necessary, we have made serious progress in the part of the integration into the northern technical alliance . to invite ukraine, but there is a second wording to this sentence: ukraine will be in nato full stop, and this is a declared goal for the fact that , on the part of nato, ukraine is considered as a goal for joining the north atlantic alliance, this is advisable a change from the time of bucharest, which declared an open door in which it is not known whether they are waiting for us or not after liberation , we clearly have a very clear position that ukraine also declares the goal of joining nato and nato declares the entry of ukraine into nato, both sides are currently not fully ready to admit this is what diverges from the homework to work on it too politically in order to be ready for the accession of ukraine

ukraine from the point of view of the conditions of reforms, and at the same time both sides will cooperate in order to create a safe conditions, and here the second point that is important for ukraine is the transfer of aid to ukraine from the regime of goodwill to the regime of obligations with situational aid to systemic aid, i.e. from defect to de jure. thus, we received a whole series of bilateral and multilateral agreements and from nato itself the adoption of the program for the modernization of the ukrainian armed forces, which actually transfers this aid, protects it from domestic politics in paris, berlin or washington , looking at those who will come to some rallies or what political crisis may be now this assistance can be provided without regard to who signed what today or did not sign and the third is a security guarantee they are now not about the budapest marandum 2:0 alya is just a piece of paper on which we are guaranteed a bright future and these are now solid

guarantees - these are specific programs of cooperation, starting with the exchange of cyber security intelligence data, ending with specific purchases of weapons and their production, cooperation in the field of the military-industrial complex, and all this not instead of nato, but in the period after the end of the war before the acquisition of gnat membership accordingly, after the war, no one will throw themselves into ukraine and say, well, the war is now over , somehow, by the economy itself, the skewed demographics, the industry, which has suffered significantly from the infrastructure, we will be with you until the very moment of integration, these are very good results for ukraine, this was a good quality springboard in order to to work through this work and to go to washington themselves in a year it is already really possible with a living decision at the invitation of ukraine, i will separately note that the pdc makes it possible to cancel it in the future enter ukraine sooner, as it was now with sweden and finland; secondly, there is no wording that it will be invited after the end of the war, respectively. this invitation

may also take place during the duration of the russian-ukrainian war. when everything will be clear, what is the trajectory, length, etc. that is, it also removes the opportunity for russia to talk about the centuries-old war conditionally and drag it out to infinity, and for ukraine it creates opportunities to work with incentives here and now and not to be completely tied to the moment the end of the war, but there is still an interesting moment that president zelensky wanted to talk about, and president zelensky himself was initially dissatisfied with the position of the alliance leaders regarding the invitation of ukraine, but the partners urged him to cool down and reconsider his position . means that kyiv managed to understand that you want too much, or you know what it means, classic ballistics, you need to aim a little higher if you want to get into the top ten, ukraine aimed higher it was tough

diplomacy with demands, with pressure, with coordination in this pressure with our friends, a partner within nato, and actually the fact that the decision on the wording was made when president zelenskyi only directed an arbitrary person and already at that moment they made it a consensual wording, let's say, and went with him to the press, eh to the press this was already an element of pressure from nato when they specifically took advantage of the moment that zelensky was not there yet so that it would not be agreed later . all this went beyond the framework of partnership and respect in this very good way, and zelenskiy was obviously really told that, well , listen, let's somehow be more rational to what can really be obtained, because otherwise you can revise the stick and in that case there would be no joint fireplace and here those would be too much have demonstrated their weakness and this would be the best gift to moscow and further threw it to everyone else who observes that nato is so full of internal problems and vinnytsia themselves

by the way, i think that it is historical no no so much for ukraine, but first of all, it is historic for nato itself. nato demonstrated that the patient is more alive than dead. despite all the problems internally and declared readiness to work on these problems, this is a very, very cool trend, but this is the gratitude they want from zelenskyi and about what does this show, is ukraine really not grateful to its partners in the international arena , let's give three very short points, in this situation, we need to single out the first point, this is actually mr. ben's statement, the street, how exactly is the forum, uh, how reflection of a certain trend, it is important to pay attention to them with all serviceability. irritation from ukraine's possible position is really accumulating, it is currently of a critical nature , it does not threaten the support of ukraine. but nevertheless, this creeping increase is happening and it is necessary to work with it, and ben volon is in this in the case, one of the red beacons has now lit up for us with the fact that pay attention to

this, the second point must be taken seriously, this is why exactly without a voice in the background, i assume a-a scandal that happened with the impossibility of his the election of gens room because the united states blocked his figure. it is because of him, as they say in the media and in the expert environment , through yuriy, that i am looking for a position regarding support for ukraine and a decisive position in confronting russia . the united states is more determined than it is ready for, and because it seems that they are getting the secretary general in nato , which will in fact pressure the united states to act as a lawyer for the entire east-central european coalition, and in the end, nato will be moving all the time where more decisive steps are taken than washington is ready for, and now it would be on the street it was necessary to demonstrate that he can be the kind of person who is ready to say unpleasant things in ukraine and who is ready to defend the common nato interest , in particular in such a part where no one else would have dared to say this now without zelensky directly, and therefore this is a political-technological step which now ben

volons is balancing his positioning within the nato member countries, this indicates that he still has the ambition to lead the a bloc of nato, and he now wants to balance his positioning a little. well, the third is that of course, the words that were actually chosen were as correct as possible, and the bengalos tried to do it as correctly as possible. it is not exactly what is said there, as it is positioned by the media. it is only one phrase that was taken out of context, and that is why the emotional reaction of mr. zelenskyi. but this is definitely not a plus, it could have been played more diplomatically. thank you, olezh oleg, this is an ocean of political science about what actually remains behind the scenes, exactly what you need to know . well, i remind you that we have a chat and a broadcast where you can share your thoughts from what you have seen, from what worries you, in particular, to suggest topics that we can talk about in our next broadcasts, it is important that there is communication between us, and in these seconds , andrea kalan joins our broadcast - she is

an official representative of the us state department. i i congratulate you. thank you for finding the opportunity and time to join. in fact, different impressions and opinions are heard after the tone itself, but i would like to ask you about what clear steps ukraine needs to take in order for the united states to in the future, they gave their approval for ukraine's accession to nato. in fact, if it concerns reforms, which reforms are the most important, well, first of all , i want to take a look at what the soldiers said in a presentable way. he said that ukraine will become a member of nato . - eh democratic reforms and eh and fight against corruption and others well, this is exactly what our ukrainian partners from eh with nato members talked about specifically . exactly

what is needed and uh, as they said yesterday after the meeting bilateral meeting between president biden and president zelenskiy just as the war is ending, and this is the time for ukraine, here we are applying for membership, and we all want it. all nato countries want ukraine to become a nato member. please tell me about the security guarantee for ukraine, in fact, after nato, zelensky said that the basis of these guarantees will be agreed with the representatives of the big seven. and how do they see these security guarantees in the united states of america? from your seven, that we will provide help to ukraine in the long-term perspective , if we look at the military assistance that we

now give to the united states and other countries, this is so that ukraine can take a position on the battlefield with money and have success. how to fight russian aggression - but besides, they said here at different levels that ukraine needs guarantees so that there will be support , there will be military assistance, everything that is needed to guarantee the territorial center and security is long-term, and that's it. что о чем бы разов здесь бесплатно and yesterday and the day before yesterday, i also wanted to ask you whether the american delegation, as the washington post writes about it, was really outraged by the publication of president zelensky on twitter, where he criticized nato about the indecision of the alliance. are american officials still understanding to such emotional statements of president zelensky, president zelensky is doing everything possible to protect his

country, so that ukraine has weapons , help, everything that is needed to win, and eh, here are the carpets about it and eh, we understand that he wants the maximum , that what is possible, and it is natural, 16 months of war , it is just hard to believe that the parks are going, so who is luka, and well, there was a good opportunity precisely during the two the foreign meeting of the president of baida, we are discussed by president zelensky, these things are forgotten and he talks behind closed doors about the real situation . - and we

очень хорошие друзья мы понимаем друг друга и uh, so that's our relationship е крепкой как никадей пашах please tell me if there are any chances that ukraine will be officially invited to nato at the summit that will be hosted by washington itself next year and will be hosted by the united states of america e- because, obviously, they themselves talked about it in the fields, that there is some time for ukraine to implement reforms , president zelenskyi believes that the war can be ended in a year, so is there a chance that such a thing could happen, well, look at the future, i don't i can't, i can't answer nagibaticheskie vopros well, specifically, uh, if uh , the war ends, and we need to go through uh, these reforms, uh, that's when ukraine will become a member of nato, when exactly it will be, uh, i can't say, but we all верное что это будет очень стати constantly support ukraine, there are always new aid packages, but regarding long-range missiles from

the united states, in particular, atoms, at what stage are the conversations about this now, in particular , in washington itself, and is it possible to supply them to ukraine in the near future there is no me information er-e otörkante er-e when what where in what crystals can i say that er-e they discuss what is needed and what we can do er-e transfer- transfer from the usa what our partners can transfer er and that is our strength that all of me depends only on one country. and we work together. all of the countries are not the same. here are all the countries of the world, because i want to underline that there was not only a nato device here, but also representatives and verse of the opilan region, because we understand that putin's decision is to negotiate

ukraine on the part of this full-scale invasion of ukraine is a threat not only to europe, but to the whole world . please tell me. we saw certain fragments before the closed-door meeting of both presidents zelenskyi and biden, and we saw their individual reactions after. satisfied after the conversation with president zelensky, some questions were actually asked, and they were answered . well, i think that everyone who watched their meeting before and after saw how they had a very warm relationship between them or something ah they are very

open two more questions will be required, they will already concern russia , and in russia, responding to security guarantees for ukraine, they said that they could pose some kind of danger to the russian federation itself, how the biden administration evaluates such statements and such feedback actually from the russian side to what was happening at the nato summit well, it sounds a little strange, eh, and it’s russia, that eh , they feel a threat from nato, and eh, decisions to help ukraine when, eh, there is a war in ukraine and for the decisions of the kremlin, eh, on the chat of this aggression. this is how eh, on this operational alliance, and we, eh, help, eh, ukraine, eh , defend their own territory . writes about it. the western press is talking

about the fact that if there is no success like his expect the counteroffensive actions of the armed forces of ukraine, then they say ukraine can be inclined to negotiate with russia how do you assess such statements actually and what can you say in general about the expectations from the counteroffensive of the armed forces of ukraine? as our partners, er, we would provide help, we want to do what is needed now, so that ukraine takes a good position on the battlefield, er, so that ukraine can get what it wants, er, we will support ukraine and eh and materially eh military and military aid with humanitarian aid and so on and this is because we want ukraine

to have success and victory and how does she see it we will uh-uh support this uh-huh so uh-huh i hope that uh-huh i want to underline once again that the ukrainian people can help the usa from today and tomorrow the day after tomorrow until the end of this war and after uh - when uh-uh already uh-uh there is territorial integrity uh-uh and uh-huh and there freedom a-ah in all of ukraine thank you thank you for this inclusion, andreia kallan, officially a representative of the us state department, was a guest of our broadcast, we talked about behind the scenes of the tone itself and how the biden administration evaluates the conversation, in particular, with president zelensky, which took place yesterday . thank you for your activity in the chat, do not forget to subscribe to the youtube channel radio

svoboda, if you haven't done it yet , we'll meet you on the air tomorrow, as usual. veteri news on espresso in the studio of anzhelika sezonenko all shot down the russians at night attacked ukraine with 20 attack drones also used two cruise missiles from the black sea and launched one ballistically our defenders destroyed all launched shahedis and calibers shot down one missile over khmelnytskyi