[000:00:00;00] it is a delegation that they demanded more, probably inappropriate, nevertheless, although adequacy and understanding of the situation is also an important matter in diplomacy, this is what is meant when you understand and show your partners an understanding that what you are asking for is impossible at this moment, but from the point of view of the internal audience, that is the ukrainian population of the people from the point of view of our historical allies, let's say, who understand all the dangers, so to speak , of our non-participation in nato, it was necessary that is why this happened, but it became clear that we will not have a specific date of joining nato and a specific plan. how will you end up there ? it was clear in 2-3 weeks, for sure , but for many it was

clear in a month or two. let's just say that certain events took place, the impact of which we we still do not fully understand but but he is that is the united states and the most european countries the richest what are the words which in nato has a decisive position so to speak they remain as it is for example for us but they remain in this concept of european security or euro-atlantic security that remains russia-centric let's say that ukraine is not a goal, ukraine is a means for them, well, at the moment, well, that is, they do not want to quarrel with russia to the end, because even the invitation that was officially issued at the vilnius summit could provoke russia, as they believe, and lead to already

irreversible actions that would be difficult to stop. and in this situation they still leave room for maneuver for themselves and russia war and this is not the third world, it looks very beautiful and it is easier to sell outside, so to speak, in principle, so the west is afraid of some risks, so to speak , that is, it is afraid, of course, but it is not that it has been there for 1.5 years. i think that the situation has gone wrong was brought to our side after the so-called point when the western leaders of western intelligence understood how fragile the state system in russia is in general, they simply saw what will happen after russia loses the war and what can happen even if it does not lose

, what can happen in general in the process russia literally in one or two days, and this is probably a little, after all, it pushed them to the point that, that is, from the concept of victory to the end, that is , to the defeat of the devastating russia, that is, the exhaustion of russia and coming to some kind of soapy negotiations with the preservation of that state system, let's say , as it currently is in russia, well, at least in some historical perspective, and until a few years ago, the prime minister of estonia, kaya kallas , said at the summit that she understands the disappointment of ukrainians, and it must be said that the baltic countries, poland, in particular, were

the biggest lobbyists of ukraine in this history in the history of joining the north atlantic alliance, what else did kaya kallas say at the nato summit in vilnius, we will hear and see, i understand the disappointment and i mean that ukraine wants to live in peace, just as we live in peace, we are under the nato umbrella and that's why russia doesn't attack us and ukraine wants the same thing that's why i completely understand besides that our debates were so heated because no one wants to make empty promises that i can fulfill the general soup is because everyone sees the future of ukraine in nato , it is only a matter of conditions to get there, but regarding the conditions, mr. oleksiy, instead of an action plan for membership in nato, annual plans have appeared , well, that is, one procedure has been replaced by another procedure that will constantly drag us back or at least bring us up to standards of the north atlantic alliance, and it is clear that in this situation there were stories of countries that were part of the north atlantic alliance with neva

as a homework assignment. albania had a high level of corruption and there were not those reforms that are now too much demanded in ukraine or so it is important for nato that ukraine fulfills all these tasks and then, as a result, receives some more homework. it is clear that in our country there are quite a lot of problems and they need to be solved, including the fight against corruption and judicial reform and changes, e.e. infrastructural and institutional, well, that is everything-everything-everything that can be presented to ukraine has now been presented , is this the main thing in this situation and can it last for a long time, it's just the fulfillment of all these conditions and a year two three four god bless him

knows how long it can last, i told you about it i have been saying to your airwaves and many others for the first time that ukraine will become our country not because of the fulfillment of some conditions , such as the political will of the euro-atlantic alliance, it will simply be a political desire, a political will at a certain historical stage, let's say that here not only about the albanians, but maybe about the history of nato in general to tell when the united state and their ally will end. some kind of geography is needed, for example. yes, the same portugal of salatari or eh, a huge army, eh, and covering the borders with the soviet union, like turkey, yes. they didn’t look at well, we haven't looked at much, let's say yes, and the same with albania, the balkan issues are being resolved there. that is, it's all the political will of specific large states that solve their problems, let's say in a specific region, so

in order not to repeat myself, i will say that for the time being, integration into nato is focused on russia and not on ukraine, yes, this will continue, and this is despite the fight against corruption, reforms, all that. well, in principle, i have already seen that the wave has already passed , and many bloggers, many politicians write about corruption, about what needs to be fought, about what to inform, that's all. of course, it is necessary, but it must be done. regardless of whether we want to become a monoto or not , it is necessary to do it in principle in order to be a normal european state, and because at the moment, as saliva said, it seems that the situation will happen. dynamic therefore these events will take place in a dynamic way. that is, all the plans that are there now can be announced that in the next washington summit on the 24th of the 25th of the year

the fourth is some 24th of the next year 75 years simply 75 years that we are now on in the 24th year for 23 we live with what uh all this can change 10 more times and we perfectly understand how it changed, remember how it was like the west and ukraine, in principle, were preparing for well before the situation there before the counteroffensive of the offensive before the results half a year ago as we see the situation three months ago. how is the situation happening now? everything is really happening in a dynamic way. the president of the czech republic, pavel, said this more frankly yesterday. it may be unpleasant for us to hear such words, but he must be. well, as a person who is, first, a military professional, yes he

a friend of ukraine. he absolutely has friends. i just know who served with him in czechoslovakia or the soviets. that is, he is a person who, well, maybe he can afford more . there is a window of opportunity for which ukraine should solve territorial issues, that is, reclaim its territory, and who is responsible. the line there will be about well, let's say how warm it is there, it is not clear, he says about the end of autumn this year, maybe it is the end of spring there or the summer of next year. yes, but the situation is such that at the moment, western leaders of western states feel reluctance and the impossibility of even the ukrainian authorities now to make any territorial compromises, yes, it will look like breaking at the knee. this is how i understand it, based on the logic of pavel's words, it

should happen naturally. in ukraine itself. thank you , mr. oleksiy. broadcast on the espresso tv channel as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live on our platforms, please like this video and subscribe to our pages further on communications diplomat foreign policy expert of the security policy center of defense strategies oleksandr khara mr. oleksandr i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air yes, good evening mr. sergey , thank you for the invitation, you see too let's start with the results because well, e- this is what i have been watching and reading. over the past two days

, someone is saying that this one is successful for ukraine. annual plan or annual plans and yet we remain at that point with the exception of the adoption of the decision on the creation of the ukraine nato council and the guarantees from the big seven that were signed today in vilnius . what do you say? how do you evaluate the results of this summit , what did it give what did he not add to ukraine? well, you know, he did not become historic because , of course, if ukraine received a clear signal and the start of the political process of ukraine's accession to nato, it is clear that nato's accession took place or later after the end of this war, and this formula of absolutely all of us i mean the ukrainian authorities and the ukrainian expert community. unfortunately, this did not happen, and we can safely say that in fact the distance from bucharest to vilnius is not so great. there are many

positive things that were recorded in the documents and were heard at this summit, on the other hand, this ambiguity remained regarding the fact itself or the date of joining nato, they confirmed that ukraine is waiting for ukraine, and that means they support and everything else, so we did not receive a political signal of this of course, i consider this to be a historical mistake, because in principle, in the 8th year, the mistake was made. four months later, russia invaded georgia. well, then in the 14th, it is not a pity that, first of all, the american germans did not understand what would be right and to take such a step that would not guarantee ukraine's accession to nato in the near future. that is, there for a year or more, but it would actually move putin away from the idea that he has the right to veto, which is not cool and can do something from the other side. of course, that's how received

the ukrainian president and through him ours the defense force and the entire ukrainian people, of course, it's extraordinary, let's say yes, it causes such a feeling, very, very much. i don't know emotional, and of course what the hosts did, and how they tried to make this summit successful, and for ukraine, it's normal e deserves special thanks and well, by and large, the president also said about it, he had the same emotional speech before the lithuanians actually, this is a separate story, then the format that was initiated by the council of ukraine, nato ukraine considers it as a tool for getting closer to membership in nato and that there is a consultative migration mechanism - a very interesting detail, the secretary general was asked if there is a possibility to block some decisions within it, well, first of all, referring to mr. mr.

orban he said no, the chairman will actually solve all issues although all are equal and in this way, this procedure will not give an opportunity it is a pity that this principle does not work in nato itself when decisions are made that affect ukraine, but in any case it is a positive thing, and the third point - these are actually those long-term assurances to ukraine. to be honest, i don't like the word security guarantees, because they are not like that. if you read the group of seven document that was made public, there is no mention of guarantees, i would call it guarantees of aid or security of assistance to ukraine, so far we do not know what is there in it practically because only now the process has been launched and in fact each g7 country will help out on a bilateral level that the legislation allows it there is such and such a language and actually what

capabilities they have but the most important thing is that this is long-term assistance to ukraine not only during this war, but also in order to deter future russian aggression, and the most important thing is that it is actually designed to prove ukraine's ability to join nato , the key points that we need are listed there systems and technical brothers. this also means long-range missiles , including mention of combat aviation . well, of course, there are separate additional points regarding, for example, assistance to ukraine and industrial potential, because it is clear that we

we have to provide ourselves with the most necessary things, but now this er-e weapons famine it shows how er-er some of our decisions were erroneous war, in fact, the model of the second world war, where it takes so many shells, uh, a very important moment was that the chancellor of germany said that uh, this is a delay, or this is this signal that they did not give us that ukraine would become in the near future and this was launched mechanism, this is not such a chip for negotiations with the russian federation. he said that ukraine will be in nato, but definitely. this requires a certain process that ukraine must carry out and follow a certain path. of course, this is a positive thing. sullivan to the person who actually shapes the opinion of joseph biden and

the strategy on our side, er, she actually asked what she should say to her son when returning from this summit, whether there is a prospect for ukraine to be a member, so that he does not i had to fight again with the russian federation salvan a little let's say yes, well, he answered this quite coolly, from an intellectual point of view, everything was clear, but all values ​​are questions and, in general, i would be the same, and the truth of our expectations are unjustified and inflated. i would say it would be that ukrainian idealism and , in fact, american german pragmatism or realism collided, they didn't actually want to, let's say, escalate the situation with the russian federation, of course they say that russia does not have the right of veto. and they are trying to do it, but on the other hand, such an indirect signal still gave, well, in any case, they do not want a direct

conflict, and this is what deters it, not only the provision of certain types of weapons to us. things on the first day, the very last macron said that he was giving us these scalps , but he immediately determined the area of ​​use of these scalps, that is, the territory of ukraine, unfortunately , so far there is no progress on this issue that we can use western weapons on our own on the territory of the russian federation for military operations on the territory of the russian federation. well, in general, it is a normal summit. i would say that unfortunately it did not become historic. yes, of course, the criticism is especially emotional. let's say so. congratulations to the president of ukraine, where he criticized this language that was laid in the final column. but it can be understood. of course

, ukrainians are killed every day , ukrainian cities are destroyed every day, and in theory this is what the entire ukrainian society lives for, and you know, i literally read interesting comments before the broadcast, so old american diplomats say that if biden and sullivan think that zelenskyi was too persistent or, let's say, not very polite in his demands, then let them remember you lugalov and others tsentralna european leaders who thought that the window of the opportunity to join nato was closing and how they behaved then, that is, in principle, it cannot be considered that the public criticism of our president , in the direction of nato, is of any kind a diplomatic not uncommon thing that well, it is out of place, roughly speaking, absolutely everything is fine and well, i don’t even know, maybe it played a role in the fact that it was then announced

the next day right here p oleksandr, the main question is when will ukraine become a member of nato, the answer to that question, the leaders of the north atlantic alliance give the same answer after the war, after the end of the hostilities, given that the end of the hostilities and the country's entry into nato are clearly connected, does this not mean that the russian federation will now do everything for that military actions in any form in the form of shelling in the occupation of the annexation of the territory of the creation of gray zones on the territory of ukraine of the russian federation that this will be the tool that they will constantly use and in order to prevent us

from entering under this security umbrella of nato well, you are absolutely right that russia perceives nato as a threat, although in fact this alliance is not a threat to russia if russia does not attack it, and we saw it from the point of view of even this ammunition shortage, it simply shows that the europeans were not preparing for war with by the russian federation and that is why they saved on their own security by reducing the production of weapons and other ammunition, but on the other hand , you know russia. there is no need to provoke it. it will always find a reason to carry out some kind of aggression or continue the war , and it is here because we have there are certain political restrictions, the most important restriction is the elections in the united states in november of next year, today one of the trumpians in the house of representatives , taylor greene, said that she introduced

a bill that should actually deprive ukraine 300 dollars for, let's say, included in the defense budget of the united states. and besides, she also introduced a bill for the united states to withdraw from nato in general, and let's remember that trump quite often said that nato is not needed at all. of course, he played a positive role in because the europeans began to pay more for their own security. here, trump is on his second term. in his second term , trump will be completely uncontrollable. because he won't need to get around , that's why there are eyes on us. the elections in the united states in europe also have problematic moments because it is a democracy and of course the citizens of the european union look at this conflict in different ways if you look at literally the day before that , a survey of public opinion and nato member countries bulgaria was published somewhere up to 60% of citizens against providing aid to ukraine, and of course we appreciate it very highly. let's say that the government's efforts have helped us from the very beginning

of the large-scale invasion, despite such a lack of acceptance of this situation. objective yes, but they look through russian propaganda, through historical myths , which is precisely why they are weak, a weak point, and this is the europeans, plus, of course. we are also fighting for them, and to what extent will the american and actually european industry be able to get on the wheels of war and it does not mean to supply us with these cartridges, relatively speaking , this is also a question, so for us, despite all these problems, which is now the most important thing to provide such support next year, because it is obvious that if a miracle

does not happen . and of course, the only thing is that we christians believe in the miracle of the resurrection of christ, and everyone else relies more on uh. the next campaign as well, and for this we need the same no less support from our western partners. and this is exactly what we should focus on as an expert community as citizens of ukraine lobbying for these and those topics at the event this afternoon of the second day itself, nato, the un secretary general sent a letter to putin with proposals for extending the grain agreement, in guterish's office they said that the un secretary general is ready to interact with russia regarding his proposals regarding the grain agreement, that is, there among the list of what russia wants - this is to remove obstacles to the operations of the agricultural bank. and actually, the hotel says that it is necessary to ensure the continuation of the black sea initiative here

, well, to put it simply, the un secretary general is ready to talk to putin so that he opened a corridor for ukrainian ships, for which he has no right to block this corridor or in what way to shoot there or not to let in with the help of weapons these caravans , which grain should go from ukraine to the hotel, such a way, say, legitimizes what he wants and how he behaves then because well, what other letters with proposals regarding the extension of the grain agreement, that is, maybe we should behave like the president of turkey, who , without listening to and without agreeing with russia, handed over the commanders of azov to ukraine. well, they probably were related things, most likely erdoğan understands that putin is not just continuing to blackmail by withdrawing from this agreement, but he already made

a decision on the 17th not to extend it. by the way, at the summit, he did not explain the details, but he said that at first the kremlin was indignant, and then, well , they actually reacted positively to it . well, i understand that mr. rodogan will bring from this himself a permit for the purchase and modernization of 16 and thus slava i pray to god that relations with z, in particular, will improve the united states, as well as with the european union, which of course is in our interests. i am not talking about the actual membership, the unblocking of sweden's path to membership in nato, boss, because it is most likely a package for a package thing, but you are absolutely right that the language is different, and mr. putin, and that is why the ideas of involving

turkey in this agreement or any separate agreement with ukraine are extremely appropriate. leave from ukrainian ports, but for example, you can imagine that actually turkish ships flying the turkish flag can enter the port of odesa and then take out this grain, and we will see if putin is stupid enough to attack such and such ships , and since turkey does this not only from the point of view of its international prestige , although this is also very important. the east is also very important for erdogan, because he was the person who found a compromise with russia and this grain agreement was concluded and it worked for certain and for by and large, it is russia and no one else violates it, and on the other hand, this grain is very important for turkey, since they have their own internal problems, both economic and which began in 16th

year with the arrival of trump, and so far they cannot get rid of these problems because of course turkey with a smaller amount of ukrainian grain, this will mean greater internal pressure on irdagan on his government, so i think that such an innovative option can be applied . so far, the turks do not agree with him, they control the straits, there is a mantra convention that allows you to stop and look after certain ships if the fears are safe and you can understand that in certain ships and by the way , there were such facts when, for example, the same russian ports came with ships loaded with weapons then to kill us, therefore , it would be possible to organize and certain e

. let’s say so, monitoring, screening and e. unfortunately, the program is coming to an end, thank you for the conversations, it was oleksandr khara, a diplomat, friends , we work live on the espresso tv channel, for those who are currently watching us on youtube, please like this video, i say goodbye to you until the next program, i wish you all good health, take care of yourself and your relatives. goodbye. watch this week 's judicial control program with tetyana shustrova . the raider seizure of bilotserkivskaya thermal power station. on whose side is themis of kyiv region on 12.14.12. say the country is a terrorist, and watch the speech on thursday, july 13 at 5:45 p.m., the judicial control program

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