[000:00:00;00] well, this is such an interesting heterogeneous near-term situation synoptically of course in ukraine thank you very much i told you about the weather i say goodbye see you tomorrow until 18:10 and beyond veteri e from the press verdict and serhii rudenko let's watch together good evening we are from ukraine glory to ukraine this program is my verdict my name is serhiy rudenko. good evening and good health to all. last night, the russian invaders attacked the e-e part of the ukrainian territory with calibers and martyrs, in particular, kyiv and the european parliament supported

the european commission's plan to increase production 500 million euros will be invested in the production of ammunition for supply to ukraine and the restoration of own stocks. in russia, 13 officers, including surovikin, were detained who participated in the prigozhin conspiracy. the wall street journal reports about this and the results of the nato summit in vilnius. we will talk in the next hour. i will have two guests today - this is valentyn batrak, a military expert and director of the army research center for conversion and disarmament, and glingrant, a military expert, a colonel of the british army. in the insert, i will start traditionally from information about the losses of the occupiers in ukraine at the beginning of the great war in ukraine 236,000 40 russians have already died in the last day alone the armed forces of ukraine have destroyed 510 people since the beginning of the great war the russians have already

lost in ukraine 492 tanks 799 armored combat vehicles 425 artillery systems 678 jet systems of volley fire 421 means of air defense 315 aircraft 310 helicopters 6978 units of motor vehicles 18 ships boats 1271 cruise missiles 3752 drones 652 units of special equipment well the first thing i will say for those who watch from us on youtube, first of all, like this video so that it is trending on youtube, subscribe to our youtube channel and take part in our survey today we are asking you about the following why nato did not invite

ukraine to join the alliance options for the answer because russia the first option the second - ukraine is not yet ready for this nato is not yet ready for this and your option we will monitor that er monitor how you will vote on er our youtube channel and at the end of the program you let's sum up the results of this vote, i want to introduce today's first guest - this is valentyn batrak, a military expert, where the director of the army research center for conversion and disarmament, mr. valenty, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our broadcast. i congratulate mr. serhiy , unfortunately, some technical problems do not allow us to video format, well, i hope that we will be able to communicate at least in this way, yes, yes , let's start our conversation, mr. valentin, with a fairly simple question: why

did nato not invite ukraine to join the situation is extremely simple nato could not er nato bloc could not develop such a move it was, well, people who er realistically assess the situation did not even count on the fact that brussels would take such a step absolutely well biden explained it very simply because it is actually war with russia, but the problem is not that the problem is not that nato did not invite ukraine, the problem is that it was not

made. would say that even this is not well the most important element of this summit and the most important events that took place was that biden did not decide to support the liberation of crimea, crimea and donbas, well, above all, crimea, why why did he do it? well, i think that blackmail is two positions blackmail... e of russia regarding the e-e from the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant and against the background of the fact that the west managed to answer clearly that the results are more accurate regarding how the perceived man-made disaster and the undermining of the kakhov dam are one position and another

proposal is that nato today, i am absolutely not ready to actually create a situation when russia will be considered a direct open enemy . tai's steps and the unclear position of beijing, either beijing really wants to end the war or it is playing a very subtle game on the side of putin's regime, we know that beijing china is proposing at least three initiatives today, and it is important to know and

analyze it now the first is complete control full exchange of prisoners of both sides. moreover, on chinese territory, when all prisoners will be moved and controlled by the chinese side , the second issue is the provision of security at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, the third issue is participation in the control of the grain agreement, that is, all these issues for china seem to lie exclusively in the political plane, it seems, but in fact, in fact, china is now trying to make such a very clear game and influence the united states through the development of relations with europe first of all, with germany, the chinese and diplomats are very clear about this, and well, not only diplomats will say yes, insider sources, so this is one point

that we must take into account, and the second point is that washington is still trying to manage and manage i am absolutely not exaggerating to manage this war and not in the plans of washington and not in the plans of other countries that are in the direction of american policy . well, for example, germany immediately refused the supply of cruise missiles yes, we remember that the ministry of defense or the bundeswehr considered it, but it refuses and uh, another event is very, very serious , this is a decision, the decision is for ukrainian pilots to train starting in august, which means that uh, this year, it is not considering this measure, nato is not considering

the possibility of ending the war does not consider the ukrainian victory and does not consider the liberation of all the deoccupation of all territories er, why, yes, because of fears, of course , there are fears, they are political, i understand correctly , valentin, that the fears concern the russian side, because this is what you p- the list also included the situation at the zaporizhzhia npp and the kakhovskaya hpp. well, there was also the state gate or an attempted coup d'état led by prigozhyn and the west. i understand that he wants to see russia in the future as a country that is under control. and it is predicted that even more so than this the country has nuclear weapons and it is not in the interests of the united states of america or germany to create a situation when russia starts to lose and the processes in

the state itself will be uncontrolled and this can lead to even worse consequences than they can imagine. weapons are part of the issue because, well, the chinese side, well, there are many signs that china has given signals that it is not interested in the use of nuclear weapons by russia, and china practically has a certain influence on the kremlin today, and this is the situation, but everyone understands that beijing wants to get its own political dividends are not only political, of course, but also economic. well, they are interconnected , because if, say, europe will significantly develop trade and economic relations with china, then not only russia, but also

the united states will take a back seat to china and this is a very great achievement and china's opportunity to influence washington's politics is one story and the second story is related to the fact that the west is really afraid of uncontrolled scenarios , including the collapse of russia and the control of nuclear weapons falling under the control of such not at all incurable and hmm completely unpredictable types like prigozhin or kadyrov, for example, yes, this is, this is such a subtle game and a subtle game is taking place now that at the level of putin's parishioners it is not finished, everyone understands this and in the west they understand this very well and what did the west do, what did the nato bloc do, and the nato bloc did such a move, it’s not bad . by the way, the move is a joint declaration of the big seven

. there are very interesting points, in particular , the provision of ukraine with an emphasis, this is very important, with an emphasis on air defense, long-range artillery and long-range means of destruction is not clearly stated there. when it can happen, that is , the filling of the filling of this declaration is based on the principle of ukraine’s ability and aggression on reactive eh. i would say hm eh aggressive and such a reactive policy is not even the policy of ukraine's diplomacy, it has already played its certain practical role, and ukraine's diplomacy today is more practical than ever, but by the way, by the way, the declaration contains several very interesting points

, in particular, the obligations of ukraine. for example, to there were no manifestations of corruption, the fight against corruption is very clear, this is a very important point, this is a hint that everything is not in order in ukraine. here is a hint from the big seven, and this is the second point, well , they are not like that, they are not in order, i say but but i say by weight by weight level, the second point by weight level is the transparent policy of the ministry of defense regarding the use of funds, legs and all . to the question. well, somewhere on the third level, but this is possible. and the same important question is the continuation of the defense reform, which means that the bringing of the army is not only a question of interoperability

there and so on. and compliance with all norms of rights person and so on. i want to assure you that in the west they are watching very closely for any scandal that is now high-profile events that are currently happening around the ukrainian army and we will say yes near it yes such stories as odesa how to say military yes who has estates in spain as will this matter be resolved, for example, and whether the uniform of the security service of ukraine, where bakanov is located , and all these things, all of this is under the close control of the west and the scorn of victoria spartz, a congresswoman who is not just some kind of woman who has there are psychological problems, whether ukrainian or anti-ukrainian, and a person who has come a long way and became a congressman, this is not at all like how servants of the people are born in our

country, yes, not at all. this is a clear, very serious path in politics , yes. all these things are worth considering. deliveries of missiles, deliveries of technologies , deliveries of aircraft, all of this is somewhat dependent on these issues, i see it. this is exactly how zelensky, who on the first day of the great summit in vilnius, allowed himself to rebuke the representatives of the north atlantic alliance that they decide without him there, without the ukrainian side, prescribe these documents and the perspective for ukraine by road, he already spoke about security issues and what was actually achieved at this summit , we will hear and see president zelenskyi

during these two days, we removed any doubts and ambiguities about what ukraine will be in nato will be the first time, not only all members of the alliance agree with this, but a significant majority in the alliance is energetically approaching never before have the words equal among equals for ukraine been heard from other nato members really meaningful and now everyone understands the fact that we are equal among equals and we will definitely confirm this fact of our victory. by the way , the former prime minister of great britain boris johnson said in an sms interview that there are no excuses or reasons for delaying the entry ukraine to nato, let's hear what else johnson said, there are no excuses or reasons for delaying ukraine's accession to nato, the last objection was that it would look provocative for vladimir

putin, but we have already seen what happens when ukraine is not in nato. that's how we provoked the worst war in europe in the last 80 years, mr. valentin, according to the results, the leaders of the north atlantic alliance in vilnius said that ukraine must become a member of nato, but already after the end of the war , they say, there is a military conflict and there is nothing here with this you can't do a fairly simple question, if they depend on the war and our membership in nato, then please explain to me , in this case, russia will be interested in the continuation of the war so that we never go there did not come true, russia will definitely be interested in continuing the war, but russia's problem is that it lacks technological , economic, political, and all other resources, and if it turns out within, say

, somewhere in the next month or two, the event is studying it very carefully, and this is a very big chinese factor, what if it turns out that china really waved its hand. well, in quotation marks, of course, at the kremlin , at putin's regime, otherwise the situation will look very problematic for putin 's criminal regime. task yes, and what comes out is what johnson said. he seemed to say everything correctly, but he is a politician. he said it detached from the situation and from personal responsibility today, that is why he is a great friend of ukraine and we respect him very much. he helped us a lot , but what he said well, this is a bit of an exaggeration yes, it is the same as with president zelensky, what we have now uh, in general, we

have a situation where ukraine has to fill the declaration of the big seven with content, there is a possibility to get weapons, there is a possibility to get technology and start military-technical cooperation with low nato countries is very these are extremely promising things they can be equal to the guarantees western countries continue to develop powerful drones by the mind of numbers. they are now developing very powerful drones, including uh, well, these are already private enterprises , including operationally uh, tactical, operationally strategic, at even the level, that is, in ukraine

there are huge opportunities there are huge opportunities but in order to apply them and use them a lot needs to be done on mistakes and johnson hints that the west should do work on mistakes we do not mention much now but william burns is now the director of central intelligence of the board and he is there a lot reported on the attack and so on, but it was a war, in 2008 he concluded that ukraine should not give in to nato and actually this is what led to this war, so to speak. and this is not some third-rate, let's say, politician, this is the head of the central intelligence of the government today in the biden government, and it must be

understood that these things must be broken yes, these three, these things must be broken, that's why i'm not very happy with uh , reactive aggressive diplomacy uh, we'll say yes , uh, zelensky's dash of kuleba, yes, well, you can say so figuratively, uh, and what is working in relation to germany will not act in relation to , for example, turkey - it's 100% yes and it's us we understand that certain flexibility is needed, especially towards china. china still does not listen to ukraine and it is not yet known how the reconstruction of ukraine's relations with china will take place, this is of course a significant factor in the issue of ending this war, but under any conditions under any conditions we must

to state the following, first, the center of gravity is on the ukrainian army , and on the lives of ukrainian soldiers and officers, and we ukrainians and the west have done it together. on the one hand, in the minimum regime, and in the maximum, to bargain so that the putin regime will continue to exist, and in many respects, i will remind you again, much will depend on the position of china and on whether the united states, germany and great britain will provide ukraine with missiles or those missiles that i will remind you that we need missiles with a range of 300-400 km. we need approximately 200-300 missiles in order to solve the problem of the liberation of crimea. i am not talking about donbas yet because crimea must precede this. if crimea is liberated, it will be such a blow to

what can and will not happen to putin after this regime of putin eh or he will be brought to court to us or to us i mean in europe an international tribunal or he will simply decide his fate there inside russia as they want yes there are beauties there or eh those who destroy it at the level of the fsb or other special services. this is how the situation looks like, but without missiles without planes , it will be very, very difficult for the ally and his associates to complete this military campaign without missiles, and the losses can really be very, very large, and now it is. that is combined with other countries have shifted the center of gravity to the ukrainian army, it is definitely annoying on the one hand, and on the other hand, it is basically the consequences of our shortcomings, so we

have to act as this corridor allows us to act today, but an optimistic optimistic view of the whole situation is in the fact that the war can be ended with a victory . we can still destroy putin's regime. the position of the west can change very much and not only in the direction of the trial of putin and his henchmen, but also the achievement of nuclear disarmament or at least technological separation is one of the elements of the guarantee that we need a technological separation from the aggressor country if we will do it with the help of our western partners and our own efforts, then we will actually be able to arrange the next stage of the war

, which is no longer hot, because the liberation of the territory is a transition to the next stage of the war, the next stage war is when all the ukrainian territories are under the control of ukraine, but we move on to restraining the aggressor , adhering to russia, where there will definitely be revengeful sentiments, where they will definitely want the destruction of ukraine, and for us, one of the important factors is to reach that situation when they will independently refuse to bomb ukrainian territories with missiles or drones why because in response they will receive a very powerful very powerful missile and drone response from ukraine , this is what we must strive for and uh then uh well, we are already an asset for nato, it is already clear, we are already defending the eastern flank of nato. but

in order to get to the point of inviting ukraine to nato with a bow, they invited it as zelensky wants it, in principle, he justly wants it. for this, it is necessary to arrange a post-war confrontation, and ukraine is capable of doing it if it consistently destroys corruption, begins to produce its own technologies and weapons, and develops powerful military-technical cooperation with nato countries, turkey, poland in the first next, but further with germany and britain and possibly with the united states today, volodymyr then mr. valentine said that ukraine's membership in nato poses threats to the security of russia, ukraine has the right to security , said the kremlin's grandfather, we are not against discussing the guarantee of ukraine's security, but on

condition of compliance guarantees of the security of russia, etc. putin quite often repeats this thesis that there are some guarantees for the security of russia, that they are a threat to the security of russia, they threaten the world, they behave like gopniks, they are terrorists, world terrorists, and at the same time, they are talking about the fact that someone or something threatens the security of russia, according to you, who and what threatens the security of russia? well, of course, apart from putin himself, mr. sergey, this thesis that you mentioned from putin is directed to only one addressee, and it still rings true message to beijing save us we will continue to support uh all your policies , including the policy towards taiwan and so on, and that's why beijing is definitely interested

today in saving putin maybe even the regime although i'm not sure that today uh the regime is interested in china, but saving putin's life is actually the preservation of the world order that existed before the big full-scale invasion. and this abandonment is necessary in order to solve the taiwan issue, and china will not interfere and will not protest if in the 26th year, namely the 26th year is a critical year for the formation of one and a half million troops of russia with the appropriate weapons. russia, of course

, is threatened by russia. as you aptly said, putin himself threatens russia with his dead-end politics , his worldview of the 16th century, he is somewhere, putin's worldview is the worldview of some boyar-type boyar from kuratov near ivan the terrible, so you can roughly outline what is currently in putin's head e a and that is why, in principle, it is very important for ukraine to suppress this whole situation despite the skepticism of certain politicians, and we saw during this and the summit and recent events that only great britain actually retains the desire to destroy the regime. well, poland also

definitely and we have seen that washington is afraid of this, paris almost does not want this, and berlin is going in the direction of politics . pray for this and hope that this is what will allow us to break the mentality of the ossified mentality of the western world, because unfortunately it is in the western world, but of course we cannot compare biden with obama, especially with trump. but all the same, there was no great determination even before this great war. and that is precisely why ukraine must and must claim to be one of the