[000:00:00;00] it is not fresh, unfortunately, but it is there, let's say a year ago, six months ago, there are different sources, but the point is that now there are a lot of people of working age. and they left the territory of ukraine, and this. active until the full-scale attack of the russian federation, that is, in principle, from the moment of the aggression of the 14th year, it began to have a rather massive character. according to the organization, today about four to five million forced migrants are abroad, of them of working age, this is about 1.4 million , about a third will definitely return home, but in fact

the rest of the duma, in fact, you are right here, what are the exact numbers, who is ready to return in the fourth , much more what if you get bored? yes, well, let's assume that in the 11th year there are already more than 10 million forcibly displaced people, and the figure of the working population there is much more than what you said there, 25%, it reaches 50 and 60% that is, what does it say that ukraine is losing its potential during the winter forced by migrants, in fact, because the elderly remain in us, well, the military , of course, who defend yes, and children, and many people who know foreign languages, who do not have a higher education, who are ready to quickly integrate into

western societies, well, bring the western traditions of management , only including to us. emigrants well, yes, they were forced to go abroad to have a higher education, and the average figure in ukraine is 30. that is, we understand that even more, er, we are observing an outflow of personnel , an outflow of better potential. people later for the reconstruction of our country. well, that's because, in fact, there will be no one to replace them, or we will have to replace them with non-ukrainians , yes, you understand.

from countries other than central asia, yes, or from some other countries, that's why i'm summarizing, of course, the policy for the return of ukrainians to ukraine must be comprehensive and very serious. to implement them well, it is possible for some state agency and for the people first of all well, and lastly , the border thesis well, it is important that they feel that the state does not care about them. faced by ukrainians who were forced to go abroad. unfortunately, the government is not doing anything to meet all these needs without a comprehensive program of both accompanying ukrainians outside of ukraine and motivating them to return to ukraine , unfortunately, we will not succeed

and as i said not long ago, the general of actions began to completely end the war , oleksandr, you know exactly what they are doing there. maybe you even know some examples of how ukrainians are spoken there at the moment, and when several important issues were raised , the first issue is the conditions of stay of ukrainians abroad, and here we are talking about different categories and different countries, because i will remind you that some ukrainians have left to the russian federation to belarus, and this

is counted in figures . territories, those who left through the western border are once again in different conditions in different states with different statuses and, er, with different problems, er, i would refer here recently. last month, there was just a very important study made public regarding the possibility, that is uh integration and those who went abroad were done. this was our platform that together with our organization did this research and presented the results of this research here i can say

that this is uh well, probably a sad result regarding the fact that persons who have been, for example, for more than five years in the territory of another state, they are already integrated into that society , in fact, especially when they are with children and they try to stay there and uh, in fact , it is almost zero. well, there is a minimal percentage of chances for their return, so what the longer a person stays abroad , the less chance there is that they will be able to return to ukraine if they do not have juice left , social ties still remain. well, for example , the wife left with the children, the husband remains here the parents stay here, which means that she has a chance to return before the children grow up, because if the children went to school there for 5 years or more , they are integrated into that society , it will be difficult for them to return here, there will already be a repeat of the integration, what problems, what difficulties, e.e., the difference in legislation, for example, regarding guardianship, adoption of children, when

orphans, children under guardianship move, and then a whole series of problems arise, for example, in the same civilized states of ours, italy , switzerland, greece, germany, when, for example, in a guardian cannot be more than a certain number of children under his care, for example, a family home where there are 20 children moves out, but they have a standard of no more than 5 children per person, and accordingly, here you need to think about how to establish this is legal legal contact between the one who is the guardian and according to our legislation and how does it correlate with that legislation a-a big problems we had with the return a-a of orphans who were returned to the same civilized state there included and

state bodies and e-e non-governmental organizations because there are a number of legal problems because when you drove well, let's say it was a simplified light regime, but it's still like moving in one direction behind the wool, but when it goes against the wool , then it's much more difficult and a whole series of problems arise, so here we're talking about that ukraine is now a tester for this, well, before the european system, because most of them have left in a european country, as to how they are ready, let's say, to grant asylum to ukrainian refugees, although not all refugees in we return to the same status here to what we talked about, each situation is individual in terms of ease and each situation is individual, and we see that on this topic we can talk and talk, in fact , we promise you that we will do another broadcast

on this topic oleksandr pavlichenko, executive director of ukrainian helsinki human rights union was also with us gennadiy dubov , candidate of legal sciences, we are extremely grateful to you for the conversation . thesis - it is, of course, necessary to work on developing a mechanism for the return of ukrainians abroad right now. however, not only and not only, see, many people look at this problem exclusively, and seeing problems , trying to solve it normatively and administratively, effectively. well, but in reality uh, there are many world practices for when other countries found themselves in similar circumstances. and when citizens of other countries asked around the entire globe and they found in

this a-ah advantages for themselves, i will tell you, uh, these are practice, our association of local self-government bodies has worked, we even have a separate project that we presented, you can take the example of israel , you can take the example of israel, you can take it from armenia, you can take it from azerbaijan, you can take it from ireland, where the economic miracle took place, including at the expense of what , at the expense of the fact that ukrainian people not only right now, there are only those abroad who came during a full-scale invasion or after the aggression of the russian federation in the 14th year . western societies have been integrated for a long time, moreover, they take part in elections, moreover, they take part in the creation of local and central government bodies, and all these people can become lobbyists for the interests of ukraine abroad. these are the people who can

create a bridge between our cultures and our business. those people who will speed up the integration of ukraine into europe and europe into ukraine faster than any regulatory framework, therefore, in addition to problems and a large number of a huge number of issues , it is also necessary to see far-reaching huge the prospects are indeed that at the moment there is a much larger number of ukrainians outside of ukraine , yes, as the export to and statistics say about this, at least a third will most likely remain, and this should be used as a weekly basis , you need to work with each of them, and for this you need to have a big powerful state platform mr. oleksiy thank you for helping to finish such a complex topic on a positive note i want to talk a little more about and what they will bring with them those who will return, what they

will bring and what they will be able to ukraine to give and help with something , especially during reconstruction, in fact, those who will remain abroad do not need to be condemned. as in our society, sometimes in our society, yes, for some reason , they ran away and the like, no, as i have already mentioned, women with children went first yes, ensuring their danger , but even before a full-scale attack, we received a huge amount of money, not just from our migrants. that is, somewhere up to 20 billion dollars every year, these are migrants, for sure, and probably those who worked abroad. no, they are migrants were, you understand, in the 14th year. well, they, uh, many of them were also forced to move . well, okay, or they were looking for the best jobs for a better fate , but they financed ukraine much better than uh, there are some international credit institutions, that's what i'm talking about and other questions

that you asked what they can bring those who will return a lot and cultural integration rapprochement with the european union with a non-collective measure and mentally and understanding how management processes do not happen , but for business there will be a lot because there for during integration, they have already gotten to know many people from the diaspora, earthly people who work in these countries, and now you know that there is a lot of money in the world. well, money in civilized countries in european countries is not so dynamic because the rates are small , the yield is small and everyone is looking for it you invest this money in rich countries, so these people who return from there to ukraine, they will be between the point of return and they did not invest a lot of money, hope that we will work

. by the way, finally, and by the way, the contribution will be to the real sector of the economy, which will give taxes, which will give jobs, and not just it will be the supporting capital of financial frauds and so on . that we find time to move on , of course, one with the tramp already in the last months is unbelievable. this is, of course, the acquisition by ukraine of new e-e fighters of the fourth generation of f-16, and now we will understand what is needed for this prepare pilots, and training programs have not yet been approved, because of this the plans for the supply of these aircraft to ukraine are being delayed, said president of ukraine volodymyr, he suggested that some partners in the fighter coalition are delaying this issue , however, there are no political reasons, according to the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, dmytro koleba the training of pilots and engineers in the preparation of the infrastructure as well as the adoption of relevant legal decisions turned out to be very

difficult organizational ukraine works with all parties involved to maximize to speed up all procedures, we will remind you that the international coalition to provide ukraine with f16 fighters was formed in may, training of ukrainian pilots on these machines was to begin in june, and the planes themselves could reach ukraine already in the fall, and this was discussed with yuriy ignat, the spokesman of the air force command of the armed forces ukraine, mr. yuriy, we congratulate you , i congratulate you. good day, um, no. we hope not yet. well , actually, i would like to ask you not to dramatize the situation. is not moving as fast as we would like it, we understand how difficult

the problem of ensuring retraining is, providing us with new official western-style equipment, this problem is not from yesterday and not from the day the aviation coalition was created , this is already the finish line, along which we have been confidently walking since the first days the subject of the invasion was the provision of fighter jets such as the m16 or others to ukraine, then the steppe was finally decided, but another type was not ruled out . different and this issue was always on the agenda, and the president actually addressed the interview with the powerful commander-in-chief of the armed forces regarding the fact that the process would really like to be accelerated because there are so many countries that i am really now for these well, actually, in the aviation coalition, who are helping ukraine, who will provide this or that type of weaponry? maybe someone

will train pilots, someone will provide aviation, someone will name the weaponry. well, here all the options need to be taken into account. will train pilots, engineers, and other aviation specialists, this is a huge complex problem, but the fact that this problem will be solved is unequivocally, we just really have to be patient and understand that every day of delay is really the life of our defenders, the life of ukrainians, and it is precisely this information that he conveys to the partners of our higher military and political leadership, every day of delays - this is in the life of ukrainians and it is really necessary to communicate with it, but in the end do not dramatize ukraine will be western planes - this is 100%. we are in this we have no doubts, mr. yurii. i would also like to discuss with you the thesis as expressed by the supreme chairman, simply the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, valery zaluzhny. he said that

none of the nato countries and our partners would have launched such a large-scale offensive as ukraine did if they did not have support from heaven as it is now, well, there is no ukraine in the amount we want , do you agree with such a thesis, and i do not agree with it, well, for how many six months , i have probably been talking about it, and the commander-in-chief said and the commander of the air force noted what is needed for a successful offensive and i do not say the word counteroffensive for offensive actions offensive operation what is needed is to first stop the enemy his offensive actions put him on the defensive next it is necessary to win superiority in the air thanks to anti -aircraft missile systems as well as the aviation complex, i.e. anti-aircraft missile coverage fighter cover has to ensure air superiority in the occupied territories . next, it is necessary to destroy the enemy's logistics , respectively, ammunition depots

, fuel supply, and so on. and then the offensive its operation in such a cool classic version may or may not be doomed to success, that is why we need our own aviation cover , fighter jets are capable of opposing the russian aviation, powerful, numerous, technological russian aviation. e-e managed to adapt the western one for civil aircraft, that’s how it works, but it looked much better on e in western technology, let’s talk a little about another achievement of recent days. or promises about obtaining ukraine from the latest ammunition to give ukraine cluster munitions because some of our partner countries are active . they advocated the fact that it is not worth using them after all, although there are those who are already changing their minds, an example of this is germany, what she said that this is how we

understand why does ukraine need it, and in the end we support it, there are still some opponents, but let’s ask, mr. yuriy , how effective will these ammunition be on the battlefield in ukraine, what can we do with them it is quite appropriate to achieve the result, so that no one doubts what is needed, what is not needed, it is necessary to communicate in the media , especially in the western media, to give people information for what, what, what, what follows from this, what will we get , show what russia uses, well, you have seen phosphorous munitions, you have seen cluster munitions why ukraine cannot defend itself and carry out combat operations with this type of ammunition, that is why a completely logical , correct and fair decision of our western partners was made regarding the knowledge of ukraine

of this type of ammunition, which will help the rest to carry out certain actions, uh, what exactly is the type of ammunition, because the proportions in the cartridge can be different, so of different types, and here the question is that the ammunition itself must be delivered by something, or it will be artillery, or maybe it will be aviation. well, here our partners are few and far between, we already have a list of weapons that will be in the next aid package , i am going there, we are talking about anti-aircraft missiles anti-aircraft missiles, or rather additional to the systems , including the patriot and so on. and the same is written cluster ammunition in what quantity well, let the enemy think in what quantity here communication is ultimately always stable. in this regard, there is no need to say anything about it , we can model specific examples of the use of cluster munitions in particular , that is, in order for our viewers to understand what combat tasks the ukrainian soldier will be able to cope with thanks to receiving receiving such a weapon actually here

the question is already er-er more er-er who can what can be done with this ammunition on the battlefield yes well so that people understand now everyone is already an expert er-er among ukrainians everyone has already learned to understand what kind of missiles, what type, how do they fly, what speed, how to react, it happened like this, unfortunately, i think that by now, everyone has long since gone through the entire wikipedia, looked at what cluster munitions are, how effective and dangerous they are. flies in one big one, hundreds of others fly there and cover with areas like that cover with super elements with these small let's say yes uh bombs so if you can call it that how they cover uh here the plane and uh the lesion area of ​​the lesion is like such techniques are part of its composition, well, it grows many times, there will be damage, let’s say, like

from a large projectile, but in the end, it will help to destroy the enemy’s equipment, and this is extremely important in order to conduct offensive actions, well, in addition , if such such an ammunition falls on a certain area. it can eventually detonate those mines that were laid there by the enemy. this is also a pretty good way to use this typical prescription . yuri, we should traditionally ask about tactics. which the enemy is currently carrying out with regard to shelling against the civilian population. please tell me recently, that is, what is the scheme and what should ukrainians remember again in the context of shelling. well, as you can see, saturday and sunday passed somewhat uh so calmly, and there were no air alarms at night

well, this does not apply to the front-line territories , but the enemy was not active, did not intensify its actions, there were no martyrs, there were no rockets, or such powerful rockets that the enemy launches from the black sea, from a fairy tale, this is how it was managed yes, we managed to analyze the situation somewhat, what does the enemy intend to do next, perhaps he is preparing for something else, next , active battles are being fought in various directions on of the ground and activated accordingly, tactical aviation is visible in the sky, the work of the a50 is visible in the sky, and at 22:00, there are also many drones on the demarcation line, as well as tactical aviation , su-35 guided bombs. well, everything

is happening as per the old scenario, but the weekend was relatively quiet yuriy a is also important the topic after our president's visit to turkey is that the production of turkish drones will be put on the assembly line in ukraine, about this we actually agreed on such cooperation between the minister of strategic industries of ukraine and turkey, how effective this cooperation can be, and not how quickly we will be able to see the results, only we are certain yuri, there is a minute left . be kind, yes, you see, with turkey , we already have an installment plan for cooperation. all the tests are already in service somewhere, so it is necessary to continue this cooperation with turkey. the question is what types of drones we will be able to produce in cooperation with this country and how much they will help us. i know that many manufacturers in

ukraine have already done this before. unmanned aerial vehicles of various types and shock and reconnaissance, so necessary for the front , have adapted and are making their own. therefore, drones and countermeasures against them must be developed in a geometric progression . thank you, mr. yuriy, for joining our broadcast. the events that took place in the most despicable country on the globe

, dubbed in the singing ukrainian language , by high-precision strikes of the russian space forces , several groups of satanist mercenaries were destroyed the devil, according to our intelligence, was wounded, evacuated for treatment, the bees were all destroyed, and the satanists and karate taxi drivers were all liberated. a number of important settlements, such as zaitseva volkova. i watched kamashonkina very well. i have a feeling that i am being followed. i hope that you are really

being followed. our army is suffering crushing successes. it is not surprising in almost all areas that without they endured our successes so crushingly that they can no longer be imagined to endure them alone, perhaps they still need to be connected, so i propose urgently to connect the belarusian leadership to endure successes together in short, if the belarusians do not connect with us, listen to me, to find manure, you need to think about how they will be converted, you are the minister of digital technologies , you must understand this . how do you like it? ilonast volodymyr volodymyrovych

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